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I'm selling an item online. Someone contacted me and, after a question about whether the item is available, said the following:




"Good,Am okay with the price. but right now am currently out of the country for a business trip ,I want you to help me shipping it out to my colleague as his birthday gift to WEST AFRICA.I’ll paying you €100 EURO which includes for the shipping fees through the POST OFFICE, can I send you the money through western Union money transfer?"




The item costs 8€. Shipping costs around 30-40€.



My question is, is it a scam and, if so, how does it work?










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  • Does shipping make up the rest of the 100 euro?
    – Lawrence
    20 hours ago










  • No, there is still a 50 EURO difference.
    – Efthimios Chaskaris
    20 hours ago






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    Please see my answer on similar question money.stackexchange.com/questions/97535/…
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    20 hours ago






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    The goal of including "West Africa" in the message is to weed out careful people (like you). Scammers want to focus their time on the gullible. That's why we say "if it looks like a scam, it definitely is one".
    – MSalters
    20 hours ago






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    Possible duplicate of Someone wants to send me cash by DHL. How's this scam supposed to work?
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    18 hours ago
















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I'm selling an item online. Someone contacted me and, after a question about whether the item is available, said the following:




"Good,Am okay with the price. but right now am currently out of the country for a business trip ,I want you to help me shipping it out to my colleague as his birthday gift to WEST AFRICA.I’ll paying you €100 EURO which includes for the shipping fees through the POST OFFICE, can I send you the money through western Union money transfer?"




The item costs 8€. Shipping costs around 30-40€.



My question is, is it a scam and, if so, how does it work?










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  • Does shipping make up the rest of the 100 euro?
    – Lawrence
    20 hours ago










  • No, there is still a 50 EURO difference.
    – Efthimios Chaskaris
    20 hours ago






  • 1




    Please see my answer on similar question money.stackexchange.com/questions/97535/…
    – SZCZERZO KŁY
    20 hours ago






  • 9




    The goal of including "West Africa" in the message is to weed out careful people (like you). Scammers want to focus their time on the gullible. That's why we say "if it looks like a scam, it definitely is one".
    – MSalters
    20 hours ago






  • 4




    Possible duplicate of Someone wants to send me cash by DHL. How's this scam supposed to work?
    – Pete B.
    18 hours ago












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up vote
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I'm selling an item online. Someone contacted me and, after a question about whether the item is available, said the following:




"Good,Am okay with the price. but right now am currently out of the country for a business trip ,I want you to help me shipping it out to my colleague as his birthday gift to WEST AFRICA.I’ll paying you €100 EURO which includes for the shipping fees through the POST OFFICE, can I send you the money through western Union money transfer?"




The item costs 8€. Shipping costs around 30-40€.



My question is, is it a scam and, if so, how does it work?










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I'm selling an item online. Someone contacted me and, after a question about whether the item is available, said the following:




"Good,Am okay with the price. but right now am currently out of the country for a business trip ,I want you to help me shipping it out to my colleague as his birthday gift to WEST AFRICA.I’ll paying you €100 EURO which includes for the shipping fees through the POST OFFICE, can I send you the money through western Union money transfer?"




The item costs 8€. Shipping costs around 30-40€.



My question is, is it a scam and, if so, how does it work?







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  • Does shipping make up the rest of the 100 euro?
    – Lawrence
    20 hours ago










  • No, there is still a 50 EURO difference.
    – Efthimios Chaskaris
    20 hours ago






  • 1




    Please see my answer on similar question money.stackexchange.com/questions/97535/…
    – SZCZERZO KŁY
    20 hours ago






  • 9




    The goal of including "West Africa" in the message is to weed out careful people (like you). Scammers want to focus their time on the gullible. That's why we say "if it looks like a scam, it definitely is one".
    – MSalters
    20 hours ago






  • 4




    Possible duplicate of Someone wants to send me cash by DHL. How's this scam supposed to work?
    – Pete B.
    18 hours ago
















  • Does shipping make up the rest of the 100 euro?
    – Lawrence
    20 hours ago










  • No, there is still a 50 EURO difference.
    – Efthimios Chaskaris
    20 hours ago






  • 1




    Please see my answer on similar question money.stackexchange.com/questions/97535/…
    – SZCZERZO KŁY
    20 hours ago






  • 9




    The goal of including "West Africa" in the message is to weed out careful people (like you). Scammers want to focus their time on the gullible. That's why we say "if it looks like a scam, it definitely is one".
    – MSalters
    20 hours ago






  • 4




    Possible duplicate of Someone wants to send me cash by DHL. How's this scam supposed to work?
    – Pete B.
    18 hours ago















Does shipping make up the rest of the 100 euro?
– Lawrence
20 hours ago




Does shipping make up the rest of the 100 euro?
– Lawrence
20 hours ago












No, there is still a 50 EURO difference.
– Efthimios Chaskaris
20 hours ago




No, there is still a 50 EURO difference.
– Efthimios Chaskaris
20 hours ago




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1




Please see my answer on similar question money.stackexchange.com/questions/97535/…
– SZCZERZO KŁY
20 hours ago




Please see my answer on similar question money.stackexchange.com/questions/97535/…
– SZCZERZO KŁY
20 hours ago




9




9




The goal of including "West Africa" in the message is to weed out careful people (like you). Scammers want to focus their time on the gullible. That's why we say "if it looks like a scam, it definitely is one".
– MSalters
20 hours ago




The goal of including "West Africa" in the message is to weed out careful people (like you). Scammers want to focus their time on the gullible. That's why we say "if it looks like a scam, it definitely is one".
– MSalters
20 hours ago




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4




Possible duplicate of Someone wants to send me cash by DHL. How's this scam supposed to work?
– Pete B.
18 hours ago




Possible duplicate of Someone wants to send me cash by DHL. How's this scam supposed to work?
– Pete B.
18 hours ago










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My question is, is it a scam and, if so, how does it work?




Yes this is a scam. No one pays EUR 100 for a EUR 8 item.



There are different ways this can proceed. At some point there will be a request for refund as the transfer was by mistake for a larger amount, or request for identification documents saying Western Union is asking etc.



Stay away from these things.






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  • Too bad you didn't setup shell accounts to sell your items. You could've tried to mess with the scammer and waste his time.
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This scam is a common one, typically called overpayment fraud. The usual route is the scammer sends you a money transfer for an amount much larger than the total cost of the purchase. They will then ask you to give them back the difference.



The scam is that a short while later, the cheque will bounce or payment will in some way be revoked, so you will be short not only the amount the scammer 'sent' you but also the difference you gave back to them. The form of payment varies, but they will always ask for a refund.



Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more. As you said, that is about half of the amount they are trying to send you. There is simply no legitimate need to send any more than necessary.






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    This is a great and correct answer, right up to the point where you suggest "Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more". If you believe with reasonable certainty that someone is attempting to scam you, you should simply discontinue communication. Allowing them to purchase your item at your asking price still exposes you to a scenario where you ship your item and then the payment bounces.
    – Sam Hanley
    11 hours ago






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    The "buyer" suggests payment by Western Union -- how can he/she reverse such a payment?
    – mustaccio
    11 hours ago






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    It smells like an overpayment scam, yes, except for the part about payment being through Western Union. How do you make a Western Union payment bounce?
    – Mark
    11 hours ago










  • @Mark Fake Western Union payment, maybe? I'm not sure, though.
    – Nic Hartley
    10 hours ago






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    Get agreement based on WU transfer, then switch to a different payment method for some supposed reason?
    – David Aldridge
    10 hours ago

















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If you are earning €8 gross, your profit margin isn’t a lot. By the time you factor in your inconvenience with money handling etc and perhaps even fuel costs to drive to the post office and back, you might have been better off just throwing the item away - even if the buyer is legitimate.



Paying €42 postage for an €8 item sounds excessive. Adding an additional €50 of messy money opens the way for all sorts of scams, including money laundering.



To maximise whatever profit you get out of the €8 item, you are better off selling to a more straightforward cash buyer, especially if it is a one-off sale.






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    As everyone has mentioned, this is most likely a scam.



    Personally, I like to go through all the steps until the fateful moment where YOU have to take out money from your pocket, so then I can analyze the scam and be more aware later on.



    Once you know it's most likely a scam, and if you have some time to spare, you might find it useful to know how this works.



    In your case, since he is mentioning Western Union, I don't really see how he would get his money back - up to you if you want to down the route and find out, or just stay away from it.





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      My question is, is it a scam and, if so, how does it work?




      Yes this is a scam. No one pays EUR 100 for a EUR 8 item.



      There are different ways this can proceed. At some point there will be a request for refund as the transfer was by mistake for a larger amount, or request for identification documents saying Western Union is asking etc.



      Stay away from these things.






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      • Too bad you didn't setup shell accounts to sell your items. You could've tried to mess with the scammer and waste his time.
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      My question is, is it a scam and, if so, how does it work?




      Yes this is a scam. No one pays EUR 100 for a EUR 8 item.



      There are different ways this can proceed. At some point there will be a request for refund as the transfer was by mistake for a larger amount, or request for identification documents saying Western Union is asking etc.



      Stay away from these things.






      share|improve this answer




















      • Too bad you didn't setup shell accounts to sell your items. You could've tried to mess with the scammer and waste his time.
        – Nelson
        5 hours ago












      up vote
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      up vote
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      My question is, is it a scam and, if so, how does it work?




      Yes this is a scam. No one pays EUR 100 for a EUR 8 item.



      There are different ways this can proceed. At some point there will be a request for refund as the transfer was by mistake for a larger amount, or request for identification documents saying Western Union is asking etc.



      Stay away from these things.






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      My question is, is it a scam and, if so, how does it work?




      Yes this is a scam. No one pays EUR 100 for a EUR 8 item.



      There are different ways this can proceed. At some point there will be a request for refund as the transfer was by mistake for a larger amount, or request for identification documents saying Western Union is asking etc.



      Stay away from these things.







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      • Too bad you didn't setup shell accounts to sell your items. You could've tried to mess with the scammer and waste his time.
        – Nelson
        5 hours ago
















      • Too bad you didn't setup shell accounts to sell your items. You could've tried to mess with the scammer and waste his time.
        – Nelson
        5 hours ago















      Too bad you didn't setup shell accounts to sell your items. You could've tried to mess with the scammer and waste his time.
      – Nelson
      5 hours ago




      Too bad you didn't setup shell accounts to sell your items. You could've tried to mess with the scammer and waste his time.
      – Nelson
      5 hours ago












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      15
      down vote













      This scam is a common one, typically called overpayment fraud. The usual route is the scammer sends you a money transfer for an amount much larger than the total cost of the purchase. They will then ask you to give them back the difference.



      The scam is that a short while later, the cheque will bounce or payment will in some way be revoked, so you will be short not only the amount the scammer 'sent' you but also the difference you gave back to them. The form of payment varies, but they will always ask for a refund.



      Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more. As you said, that is about half of the amount they are trying to send you. There is simply no legitimate need to send any more than necessary.






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        This is a great and correct answer, right up to the point where you suggest "Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more". If you believe with reasonable certainty that someone is attempting to scam you, you should simply discontinue communication. Allowing them to purchase your item at your asking price still exposes you to a scenario where you ship your item and then the payment bounces.
        – Sam Hanley
        11 hours ago






      • 5




        The "buyer" suggests payment by Western Union -- how can he/she reverse such a payment?
        – mustaccio
        11 hours ago






      • 2




        It smells like an overpayment scam, yes, except for the part about payment being through Western Union. How do you make a Western Union payment bounce?
        – Mark
        11 hours ago










      • @Mark Fake Western Union payment, maybe? I'm not sure, though.
        – Nic Hartley
        10 hours ago






      • 5




        Get agreement based on WU transfer, then switch to a different payment method for some supposed reason?
        – David Aldridge
        10 hours ago














      up vote
      15
      down vote













      This scam is a common one, typically called overpayment fraud. The usual route is the scammer sends you a money transfer for an amount much larger than the total cost of the purchase. They will then ask you to give them back the difference.



      The scam is that a short while later, the cheque will bounce or payment will in some way be revoked, so you will be short not only the amount the scammer 'sent' you but also the difference you gave back to them. The form of payment varies, but they will always ask for a refund.



      Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more. As you said, that is about half of the amount they are trying to send you. There is simply no legitimate need to send any more than necessary.






      share|improve this answer


















      • 24




        This is a great and correct answer, right up to the point where you suggest "Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more". If you believe with reasonable certainty that someone is attempting to scam you, you should simply discontinue communication. Allowing them to purchase your item at your asking price still exposes you to a scenario where you ship your item and then the payment bounces.
        – Sam Hanley
        11 hours ago






      • 5




        The "buyer" suggests payment by Western Union -- how can he/she reverse such a payment?
        – mustaccio
        11 hours ago






      • 2




        It smells like an overpayment scam, yes, except for the part about payment being through Western Union. How do you make a Western Union payment bounce?
        – Mark
        11 hours ago










      • @Mark Fake Western Union payment, maybe? I'm not sure, though.
        – Nic Hartley
        10 hours ago






      • 5




        Get agreement based on WU transfer, then switch to a different payment method for some supposed reason?
        – David Aldridge
        10 hours ago












      up vote
      15
      down vote










      up vote
      15
      down vote









      This scam is a common one, typically called overpayment fraud. The usual route is the scammer sends you a money transfer for an amount much larger than the total cost of the purchase. They will then ask you to give them back the difference.



      The scam is that a short while later, the cheque will bounce or payment will in some way be revoked, so you will be short not only the amount the scammer 'sent' you but also the difference you gave back to them. The form of payment varies, but they will always ask for a refund.



      Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more. As you said, that is about half of the amount they are trying to send you. There is simply no legitimate need to send any more than necessary.






      share|improve this answer














      This scam is a common one, typically called overpayment fraud. The usual route is the scammer sends you a money transfer for an amount much larger than the total cost of the purchase. They will then ask you to give them back the difference.



      The scam is that a short while later, the cheque will bounce or payment will in some way be revoked, so you will be short not only the amount the scammer 'sent' you but also the difference you gave back to them. The form of payment varies, but they will always ask for a refund.



      Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more. As you said, that is about half of the amount they are trying to send you. There is simply no legitimate need to send any more than necessary.







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      • 24




        This is a great and correct answer, right up to the point where you suggest "Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more". If you believe with reasonable certainty that someone is attempting to scam you, you should simply discontinue communication. Allowing them to purchase your item at your asking price still exposes you to a scenario where you ship your item and then the payment bounces.
        – Sam Hanley
        11 hours ago






      • 5




        The "buyer" suggests payment by Western Union -- how can he/she reverse such a payment?
        – mustaccio
        11 hours ago






      • 2




        It smells like an overpayment scam, yes, except for the part about payment being through Western Union. How do you make a Western Union payment bounce?
        – Mark
        11 hours ago










      • @Mark Fake Western Union payment, maybe? I'm not sure, though.
        – Nic Hartley
        10 hours ago






      • 5




        Get agreement based on WU transfer, then switch to a different payment method for some supposed reason?
        – David Aldridge
        10 hours ago












      • 24




        This is a great and correct answer, right up to the point where you suggest "Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more". If you believe with reasonable certainty that someone is attempting to scam you, you should simply discontinue communication. Allowing them to purchase your item at your asking price still exposes you to a scenario where you ship your item and then the payment bounces.
        – Sam Hanley
        11 hours ago






      • 5




        The "buyer" suggests payment by Western Union -- how can he/she reverse such a payment?
        – mustaccio
        11 hours ago






      • 2




        It smells like an overpayment scam, yes, except for the part about payment being through Western Union. How do you make a Western Union payment bounce?
        – Mark
        11 hours ago










      • @Mark Fake Western Union payment, maybe? I'm not sure, though.
        – Nic Hartley
        10 hours ago






      • 5




        Get agreement based on WU transfer, then switch to a different payment method for some supposed reason?
        – David Aldridge
        10 hours ago







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      This is a great and correct answer, right up to the point where you suggest "Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more". If you believe with reasonable certainty that someone is attempting to scam you, you should simply discontinue communication. Allowing them to purchase your item at your asking price still exposes you to a scenario where you ship your item and then the payment bounces.
      – Sam Hanley
      11 hours ago




      This is a great and correct answer, right up to the point where you suggest "Simply insist that they send only the amount to cover the items and no more". If you believe with reasonable certainty that someone is attempting to scam you, you should simply discontinue communication. Allowing them to purchase your item at your asking price still exposes you to a scenario where you ship your item and then the payment bounces.
      – Sam Hanley
      11 hours ago




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      The "buyer" suggests payment by Western Union -- how can he/she reverse such a payment?
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      11 hours ago




      The "buyer" suggests payment by Western Union -- how can he/she reverse such a payment?
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      11 hours ago




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      It smells like an overpayment scam, yes, except for the part about payment being through Western Union. How do you make a Western Union payment bounce?
      – Mark
      11 hours ago




      It smells like an overpayment scam, yes, except for the part about payment being through Western Union. How do you make a Western Union payment bounce?
      – Mark
      11 hours ago












      @Mark Fake Western Union payment, maybe? I'm not sure, though.
      – Nic Hartley
      10 hours ago




      @Mark Fake Western Union payment, maybe? I'm not sure, though.
      – Nic Hartley
      10 hours ago




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      Get agreement based on WU transfer, then switch to a different payment method for some supposed reason?
      – David Aldridge
      10 hours ago




      Get agreement based on WU transfer, then switch to a different payment method for some supposed reason?
      – David Aldridge
      10 hours ago










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      If you are earning €8 gross, your profit margin isn’t a lot. By the time you factor in your inconvenience with money handling etc and perhaps even fuel costs to drive to the post office and back, you might have been better off just throwing the item away - even if the buyer is legitimate.



      Paying €42 postage for an €8 item sounds excessive. Adding an additional €50 of messy money opens the way for all sorts of scams, including money laundering.



      To maximise whatever profit you get out of the €8 item, you are better off selling to a more straightforward cash buyer, especially if it is a one-off sale.






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        If you are earning €8 gross, your profit margin isn’t a lot. By the time you factor in your inconvenience with money handling etc and perhaps even fuel costs to drive to the post office and back, you might have been better off just throwing the item away - even if the buyer is legitimate.



        Paying €42 postage for an €8 item sounds excessive. Adding an additional €50 of messy money opens the way for all sorts of scams, including money laundering.



        To maximise whatever profit you get out of the €8 item, you are better off selling to a more straightforward cash buyer, especially if it is a one-off sale.






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          If you are earning €8 gross, your profit margin isn’t a lot. By the time you factor in your inconvenience with money handling etc and perhaps even fuel costs to drive to the post office and back, you might have been better off just throwing the item away - even if the buyer is legitimate.



          Paying €42 postage for an €8 item sounds excessive. Adding an additional €50 of messy money opens the way for all sorts of scams, including money laundering.



          To maximise whatever profit you get out of the €8 item, you are better off selling to a more straightforward cash buyer, especially if it is a one-off sale.






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          If you are earning €8 gross, your profit margin isn’t a lot. By the time you factor in your inconvenience with money handling etc and perhaps even fuel costs to drive to the post office and back, you might have been better off just throwing the item away - even if the buyer is legitimate.



          Paying €42 postage for an €8 item sounds excessive. Adding an additional €50 of messy money opens the way for all sorts of scams, including money laundering.



          To maximise whatever profit you get out of the €8 item, you are better off selling to a more straightforward cash buyer, especially if it is a one-off sale.







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              As everyone has mentioned, this is most likely a scam.



              Personally, I like to go through all the steps until the fateful moment where YOU have to take out money from your pocket, so then I can analyze the scam and be more aware later on.



              Once you know it's most likely a scam, and if you have some time to spare, you might find it useful to know how this works.



              In your case, since he is mentioning Western Union, I don't really see how he would get his money back - up to you if you want to down the route and find out, or just stay away from it.





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                As everyone has mentioned, this is most likely a scam.



                Personally, I like to go through all the steps until the fateful moment where YOU have to take out money from your pocket, so then I can analyze the scam and be more aware later on.



                Once you know it's most likely a scam, and if you have some time to spare, you might find it useful to know how this works.



                In your case, since he is mentioning Western Union, I don't really see how he would get his money back - up to you if you want to down the route and find out, or just stay away from it.





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                  As everyone has mentioned, this is most likely a scam.



                  Personally, I like to go through all the steps until the fateful moment where YOU have to take out money from your pocket, so then I can analyze the scam and be more aware later on.



                  Once you know it's most likely a scam, and if you have some time to spare, you might find it useful to know how this works.



                  In your case, since he is mentioning Western Union, I don't really see how he would get his money back - up to you if you want to down the route and find out, or just stay away from it.





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                  As everyone has mentioned, this is most likely a scam.



                  Personally, I like to go through all the steps until the fateful moment where YOU have to take out money from your pocket, so then I can analyze the scam and be more aware later on.



                  Once you know it's most likely a scam, and if you have some time to spare, you might find it useful to know how this works.



                  In your case, since he is mentioning Western Union, I don't really see how he would get his money back - up to you if you want to down the route and find out, or just stay away from it.






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