Salesman's claim for mechanical keypad lock - 5 buttons and 545 combinations!

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A company makes mechanical keypad locks.



The keypad is a set of five buttons arranged vertically.



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The buttons are quite close together. Once a button is pushed in it stays in until the lock is opened or reset.



If the right combination of buttons are pushed then a separate handle can be turned and the door opens. If not the action of turning the handle resets all the buttons so you start again.



The salesman says that there are $545$ different simple 'unlock combinations' which can be 'programmed' into this mechanical lock. Simple unlock combinations are combinations which can be punched into the keypad with a single finger.



Is the salesman correct? why or why not?










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    Have to ask: Is this a 'real' scenario? It sounds like this guy used to sell snake oil before getting into the mechanical lock game.
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    @Chowzen, I use a mechanical lock like this most days... This lock I use inspired the puzzle.
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A company makes mechanical keypad locks.



The keypad is a set of five buttons arranged vertically.



O 
O
O
O
O


The buttons are quite close together. Once a button is pushed in it stays in until the lock is opened or reset.



If the right combination of buttons are pushed then a separate handle can be turned and the door opens. If not the action of turning the handle resets all the buttons so you start again.



The salesman says that there are $545$ different simple 'unlock combinations' which can be 'programmed' into this mechanical lock. Simple unlock combinations are combinations which can be punched into the keypad with a single finger.



Is the salesman correct? why or why not?










share|improve this question

















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    Have to ask: Is this a 'real' scenario? It sounds like this guy used to sell snake oil before getting into the mechanical lock game.
    – Chowzen
    46 mins ago






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    @Chowzen, I use a mechanical lock like this most days... This lock I use inspired the puzzle.
    – tom
    21 mins ago












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A company makes mechanical keypad locks.



The keypad is a set of five buttons arranged vertically.



O 
O
O
O
O


The buttons are quite close together. Once a button is pushed in it stays in until the lock is opened or reset.



If the right combination of buttons are pushed then a separate handle can be turned and the door opens. If not the action of turning the handle resets all the buttons so you start again.



The salesman says that there are $545$ different simple 'unlock combinations' which can be 'programmed' into this mechanical lock. Simple unlock combinations are combinations which can be punched into the keypad with a single finger.



Is the salesman correct? why or why not?










share|improve this question













A company makes mechanical keypad locks.



The keypad is a set of five buttons arranged vertically.



O 
O
O
O
O


The buttons are quite close together. Once a button is pushed in it stays in until the lock is opened or reset.



If the right combination of buttons are pushed then a separate handle can be turned and the door opens. If not the action of turning the handle resets all the buttons so you start again.



The salesman says that there are $545$ different simple 'unlock combinations' which can be 'programmed' into this mechanical lock. Simple unlock combinations are combinations which can be punched into the keypad with a single finger.



Is the salesman correct? why or why not?







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    Have to ask: Is this a 'real' scenario? It sounds like this guy used to sell snake oil before getting into the mechanical lock game.
    – Chowzen
    46 mins ago






  • 1




    @Chowzen, I use a mechanical lock like this most days... This lock I use inspired the puzzle.
    – tom
    21 mins ago












  • 1




    Have to ask: Is this a 'real' scenario? It sounds like this guy used to sell snake oil before getting into the mechanical lock game.
    – Chowzen
    46 mins ago






  • 1




    @Chowzen, I use a mechanical lock like this most days... This lock I use inspired the puzzle.
    – tom
    21 mins ago







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Have to ask: Is this a 'real' scenario? It sounds like this guy used to sell snake oil before getting into the mechanical lock game.
– Chowzen
46 mins ago




Have to ask: Is this a 'real' scenario? It sounds like this guy used to sell snake oil before getting into the mechanical lock game.
– Chowzen
46 mins ago




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@Chowzen, I use a mechanical lock like this most days... This lock I use inspired the puzzle.
– tom
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@Chowzen, I use a mechanical lock like this most days... This lock I use inspired the puzzle.
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Well, let's see. It's possible for 1 to 5 buttons to be pushed to create a combination, so let's calculate the number of possibilities for each individually, assuming you can pick the order of the buttons to be pushed.



1 Button




Well, there are only 5 possible combinations. This isn't hard.




2 Buttons




The number of possible combinations is C(5,2), or 10. You can arrange the order of each possible combination in 2!, or 2 ways. So the number of possible 2-button combinations is 20.




3 Buttons




Since C(5,3) is also 10, there are 10 different combinations. Each of these combinations can be reordered in 3!, or 6 ways. So the number of possible 3-button combinations is 60.




4 Buttons




C(5,4) is 5. So, there are 5 different combinations which each can be rearranged into 4!, or 24 ways. So the number of possible 4-button combinations is 120.




5 Buttons




Obviously, there is only 1 5-digit combination, but that can be rearranged in 5!, or 120 ways.




Total




5+20+60+120+120 = 325 possible combinations. Assuming there isn't any trickery here, the salesman is indeed incorrect.







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  • Great logic and this is correct as far as it goes, but I am afraid that there is something missing from this answer ... plus one for very useful contribution, but not correct I am afraid
    – tom
    1 hour ago

















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I believe the salesman may be underestimating the possibilities. In addition to Excited Raichu's 325 arrangements there are the following possibilities:



1)




No buttons pressed = 1 extra possibility




2)




Two neighboring buttons pressed simultaneously. For example (12)345, or 1(23)45, or 12(34)5, or 123(45). For each of these there is one possibility with a single button press (the pair would have to be pressed first). 12 consisting a pair and a single, 24 consisting a pair and 2 singles, and 24 consisting a pair and 3 singles. So an extra 61 combinations for each of the above. = 244 extra possibility




3)




Two pairs of neighboring buttons pressed so either (12)(34)5, or (12)3(45) or 1(23)(45). In each of these cases there is no option in which one button or pair is pressed (as it would be identical to one of the already covered possibilities). 2 options consisting pressing the two pairs (in either order), and 6 options pressing the 2 pairs and the single. So 8 in total for each of the above . = 24 possibilities




4)




If the buttons were really small then there could be 3 or more pressed simultaneously - but I will ignore these calculations as if that were the case it may be difficult to press only one at a time.




So the total could be at least




325 + 1 + 244 + 24 = 594







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  • Good progress here. Plus one,....
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I see my latest attempt is similar to @excited-raichu's answer, but I have a slightly different count...



There are




32 different combinations after pushing buttons




Of those, there are:




5 combos where 1 button is pushed, 11 combos where 2 buttons are pushed, 9 combos where 3 buttons are pushed, 5 combos where 4 buttons are pushed, and 1 combo where all 5 buttons are pushed.




Each can be pushed in:




#ButtonsPushed factorial ways




So:




5*1 + 11*2 + 9*6 + 5*24 + 1*120 = 321 possible combos (assuming you don't count no buttons being pushed as a combo).







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  • I like your logic, but the mechanical device is more clever than just knowing whether the button is pushed in or not... does that give a hint? Plus one for a useful contribution.
    – tom
    1 hour ago










  • in response to the question edit... interesting edit, but it is way too early for any (more) hints
    – tom
    1 hour ago






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    Oh, I see what I'm missing: r13(gur beqre gurl ner chfurq va)
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Well, let's see. It's possible for 1 to 5 buttons to be pushed to create a combination, so let's calculate the number of possibilities for each individually, assuming you can pick the order of the buttons to be pushed.



1 Button




Well, there are only 5 possible combinations. This isn't hard.




2 Buttons




The number of possible combinations is C(5,2), or 10. You can arrange the order of each possible combination in 2!, or 2 ways. So the number of possible 2-button combinations is 20.




3 Buttons




Since C(5,3) is also 10, there are 10 different combinations. Each of these combinations can be reordered in 3!, or 6 ways. So the number of possible 3-button combinations is 60.




4 Buttons




C(5,4) is 5. So, there are 5 different combinations which each can be rearranged into 4!, or 24 ways. So the number of possible 4-button combinations is 120.




5 Buttons




Obviously, there is only 1 5-digit combination, but that can be rearranged in 5!, or 120 ways.




Total




5+20+60+120+120 = 325 possible combinations. Assuming there isn't any trickery here, the salesman is indeed incorrect.







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  • Great logic and this is correct as far as it goes, but I am afraid that there is something missing from this answer ... plus one for very useful contribution, but not correct I am afraid
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Well, let's see. It's possible for 1 to 5 buttons to be pushed to create a combination, so let's calculate the number of possibilities for each individually, assuming you can pick the order of the buttons to be pushed.



1 Button




Well, there are only 5 possible combinations. This isn't hard.




2 Buttons




The number of possible combinations is C(5,2), or 10. You can arrange the order of each possible combination in 2!, or 2 ways. So the number of possible 2-button combinations is 20.




3 Buttons




Since C(5,3) is also 10, there are 10 different combinations. Each of these combinations can be reordered in 3!, or 6 ways. So the number of possible 3-button combinations is 60.




4 Buttons




C(5,4) is 5. So, there are 5 different combinations which each can be rearranged into 4!, or 24 ways. So the number of possible 4-button combinations is 120.




5 Buttons




Obviously, there is only 1 5-digit combination, but that can be rearranged in 5!, or 120 ways.




Total




5+20+60+120+120 = 325 possible combinations. Assuming there isn't any trickery here, the salesman is indeed incorrect.







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  • Great logic and this is correct as far as it goes, but I am afraid that there is something missing from this answer ... plus one for very useful contribution, but not correct I am afraid
    – tom
    1 hour ago












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up vote
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Well, let's see. It's possible for 1 to 5 buttons to be pushed to create a combination, so let's calculate the number of possibilities for each individually, assuming you can pick the order of the buttons to be pushed.



1 Button




Well, there are only 5 possible combinations. This isn't hard.




2 Buttons




The number of possible combinations is C(5,2), or 10. You can arrange the order of each possible combination in 2!, or 2 ways. So the number of possible 2-button combinations is 20.




3 Buttons




Since C(5,3) is also 10, there are 10 different combinations. Each of these combinations can be reordered in 3!, or 6 ways. So the number of possible 3-button combinations is 60.




4 Buttons




C(5,4) is 5. So, there are 5 different combinations which each can be rearranged into 4!, or 24 ways. So the number of possible 4-button combinations is 120.




5 Buttons




Obviously, there is only 1 5-digit combination, but that can be rearranged in 5!, or 120 ways.




Total




5+20+60+120+120 = 325 possible combinations. Assuming there isn't any trickery here, the salesman is indeed incorrect.







share|improve this answer












Well, let's see. It's possible for 1 to 5 buttons to be pushed to create a combination, so let's calculate the number of possibilities for each individually, assuming you can pick the order of the buttons to be pushed.



1 Button




Well, there are only 5 possible combinations. This isn't hard.




2 Buttons




The number of possible combinations is C(5,2), or 10. You can arrange the order of each possible combination in 2!, or 2 ways. So the number of possible 2-button combinations is 20.




3 Buttons




Since C(5,3) is also 10, there are 10 different combinations. Each of these combinations can be reordered in 3!, or 6 ways. So the number of possible 3-button combinations is 60.




4 Buttons




C(5,4) is 5. So, there are 5 different combinations which each can be rearranged into 4!, or 24 ways. So the number of possible 4-button combinations is 120.




5 Buttons




Obviously, there is only 1 5-digit combination, but that can be rearranged in 5!, or 120 ways.




Total




5+20+60+120+120 = 325 possible combinations. Assuming there isn't any trickery here, the salesman is indeed incorrect.








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  • Great logic and this is correct as far as it goes, but I am afraid that there is something missing from this answer ... plus one for very useful contribution, but not correct I am afraid
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  • Great logic and this is correct as far as it goes, but I am afraid that there is something missing from this answer ... plus one for very useful contribution, but not correct I am afraid
    – tom
    1 hour ago















Great logic and this is correct as far as it goes, but I am afraid that there is something missing from this answer ... plus one for very useful contribution, but not correct I am afraid
– tom
1 hour ago




Great logic and this is correct as far as it goes, but I am afraid that there is something missing from this answer ... plus one for very useful contribution, but not correct I am afraid
– tom
1 hour ago










up vote
3
down vote













I believe the salesman may be underestimating the possibilities. In addition to Excited Raichu's 325 arrangements there are the following possibilities:



1)




No buttons pressed = 1 extra possibility




2)




Two neighboring buttons pressed simultaneously. For example (12)345, or 1(23)45, or 12(34)5, or 123(45). For each of these there is one possibility with a single button press (the pair would have to be pressed first). 12 consisting a pair and a single, 24 consisting a pair and 2 singles, and 24 consisting a pair and 3 singles. So an extra 61 combinations for each of the above. = 244 extra possibility




3)




Two pairs of neighboring buttons pressed so either (12)(34)5, or (12)3(45) or 1(23)(45). In each of these cases there is no option in which one button or pair is pressed (as it would be identical to one of the already covered possibilities). 2 options consisting pressing the two pairs (in either order), and 6 options pressing the 2 pairs and the single. So 8 in total for each of the above . = 24 possibilities




4)




If the buttons were really small then there could be 3 or more pressed simultaneously - but I will ignore these calculations as if that were the case it may be difficult to press only one at a time.




So the total could be at least




325 + 1 + 244 + 24 = 594







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  • Ah! I like this answer better.
    – MetaZen
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  • Good progress here. Plus one,....
    – tom
    10 mins ago














up vote
3
down vote













I believe the salesman may be underestimating the possibilities. In addition to Excited Raichu's 325 arrangements there are the following possibilities:



1)




No buttons pressed = 1 extra possibility




2)




Two neighboring buttons pressed simultaneously. For example (12)345, or 1(23)45, or 12(34)5, or 123(45). For each of these there is one possibility with a single button press (the pair would have to be pressed first). 12 consisting a pair and a single, 24 consisting a pair and 2 singles, and 24 consisting a pair and 3 singles. So an extra 61 combinations for each of the above. = 244 extra possibility




3)




Two pairs of neighboring buttons pressed so either (12)(34)5, or (12)3(45) or 1(23)(45). In each of these cases there is no option in which one button or pair is pressed (as it would be identical to one of the already covered possibilities). 2 options consisting pressing the two pairs (in either order), and 6 options pressing the 2 pairs and the single. So 8 in total for each of the above . = 24 possibilities




4)




If the buttons were really small then there could be 3 or more pressed simultaneously - but I will ignore these calculations as if that were the case it may be difficult to press only one at a time.




So the total could be at least




325 + 1 + 244 + 24 = 594







share|improve this answer




















  • Ah! I like this answer better.
    – MetaZen
    27 mins ago










  • Good progress here. Plus one,....
    – tom
    10 mins ago












up vote
3
down vote










up vote
3
down vote









I believe the salesman may be underestimating the possibilities. In addition to Excited Raichu's 325 arrangements there are the following possibilities:



1)




No buttons pressed = 1 extra possibility




2)




Two neighboring buttons pressed simultaneously. For example (12)345, or 1(23)45, or 12(34)5, or 123(45). For each of these there is one possibility with a single button press (the pair would have to be pressed first). 12 consisting a pair and a single, 24 consisting a pair and 2 singles, and 24 consisting a pair and 3 singles. So an extra 61 combinations for each of the above. = 244 extra possibility




3)




Two pairs of neighboring buttons pressed so either (12)(34)5, or (12)3(45) or 1(23)(45). In each of these cases there is no option in which one button or pair is pressed (as it would be identical to one of the already covered possibilities). 2 options consisting pressing the two pairs (in either order), and 6 options pressing the 2 pairs and the single. So 8 in total for each of the above . = 24 possibilities




4)




If the buttons were really small then there could be 3 or more pressed simultaneously - but I will ignore these calculations as if that were the case it may be difficult to press only one at a time.




So the total could be at least




325 + 1 + 244 + 24 = 594







share|improve this answer












I believe the salesman may be underestimating the possibilities. In addition to Excited Raichu's 325 arrangements there are the following possibilities:



1)




No buttons pressed = 1 extra possibility




2)




Two neighboring buttons pressed simultaneously. For example (12)345, or 1(23)45, or 12(34)5, or 123(45). For each of these there is one possibility with a single button press (the pair would have to be pressed first). 12 consisting a pair and a single, 24 consisting a pair and 2 singles, and 24 consisting a pair and 3 singles. So an extra 61 combinations for each of the above. = 244 extra possibility




3)




Two pairs of neighboring buttons pressed so either (12)(34)5, or (12)3(45) or 1(23)(45). In each of these cases there is no option in which one button or pair is pressed (as it would be identical to one of the already covered possibilities). 2 options consisting pressing the two pairs (in either order), and 6 options pressing the 2 pairs and the single. So 8 in total for each of the above . = 24 possibilities




4)




If the buttons were really small then there could be 3 or more pressed simultaneously - but I will ignore these calculations as if that were the case it may be difficult to press only one at a time.




So the total could be at least




325 + 1 + 244 + 24 = 594








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  • Ah! I like this answer better.
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  • Good progress here. Plus one,....
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  • Ah! I like this answer better.
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  • Good progress here. Plus one,....
    – tom
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Ah! I like this answer better.
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Ah! I like this answer better.
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Good progress here. Plus one,....
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Good progress here. Plus one,....
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I see my latest attempt is similar to @excited-raichu's answer, but I have a slightly different count...



There are




32 different combinations after pushing buttons




Of those, there are:




5 combos where 1 button is pushed, 11 combos where 2 buttons are pushed, 9 combos where 3 buttons are pushed, 5 combos where 4 buttons are pushed, and 1 combo where all 5 buttons are pushed.




Each can be pushed in:




#ButtonsPushed factorial ways




So:




5*1 + 11*2 + 9*6 + 5*24 + 1*120 = 321 possible combos (assuming you don't count no buttons being pushed as a combo).







share|improve this answer






















  • I like your logic, but the mechanical device is more clever than just knowing whether the button is pushed in or not... does that give a hint? Plus one for a useful contribution.
    – tom
    1 hour ago










  • in response to the question edit... interesting edit, but it is way too early for any (more) hints
    – tom
    1 hour ago






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    Oh, I see what I'm missing: r13(gur beqre gurl ner chfurq va)
    – MetaZen
    1 hour ago










  • Updated my answer
    – MetaZen
    55 mins ago














up vote
1
down vote













I see my latest attempt is similar to @excited-raichu's answer, but I have a slightly different count...



There are




32 different combinations after pushing buttons




Of those, there are:




5 combos where 1 button is pushed, 11 combos where 2 buttons are pushed, 9 combos where 3 buttons are pushed, 5 combos where 4 buttons are pushed, and 1 combo where all 5 buttons are pushed.




Each can be pushed in:




#ButtonsPushed factorial ways




So:




5*1 + 11*2 + 9*6 + 5*24 + 1*120 = 321 possible combos (assuming you don't count no buttons being pushed as a combo).







share|improve this answer






















  • I like your logic, but the mechanical device is more clever than just knowing whether the button is pushed in or not... does that give a hint? Plus one for a useful contribution.
    – tom
    1 hour ago










  • in response to the question edit... interesting edit, but it is way too early for any (more) hints
    – tom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    Oh, I see what I'm missing: r13(gur beqre gurl ner chfurq va)
    – MetaZen
    1 hour ago










  • Updated my answer
    – MetaZen
    55 mins ago












up vote
1
down vote










up vote
1
down vote









I see my latest attempt is similar to @excited-raichu's answer, but I have a slightly different count...



There are




32 different combinations after pushing buttons




Of those, there are:




5 combos where 1 button is pushed, 11 combos where 2 buttons are pushed, 9 combos where 3 buttons are pushed, 5 combos where 4 buttons are pushed, and 1 combo where all 5 buttons are pushed.




Each can be pushed in:




#ButtonsPushed factorial ways




So:




5*1 + 11*2 + 9*6 + 5*24 + 1*120 = 321 possible combos (assuming you don't count no buttons being pushed as a combo).







share|improve this answer














I see my latest attempt is similar to @excited-raichu's answer, but I have a slightly different count...



There are




32 different combinations after pushing buttons




Of those, there are:




5 combos where 1 button is pushed, 11 combos where 2 buttons are pushed, 9 combos where 3 buttons are pushed, 5 combos where 4 buttons are pushed, and 1 combo where all 5 buttons are pushed.




Each can be pushed in:




#ButtonsPushed factorial ways




So:




5*1 + 11*2 + 9*6 + 5*24 + 1*120 = 321 possible combos (assuming you don't count no buttons being pushed as a combo).








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  • I like your logic, but the mechanical device is more clever than just knowing whether the button is pushed in or not... does that give a hint? Plus one for a useful contribution.
    – tom
    1 hour ago










  • in response to the question edit... interesting edit, but it is way too early for any (more) hints
    – tom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    Oh, I see what I'm missing: r13(gur beqre gurl ner chfurq va)
    – MetaZen
    1 hour ago










  • Updated my answer
    – MetaZen
    55 mins ago
















  • I like your logic, but the mechanical device is more clever than just knowing whether the button is pushed in or not... does that give a hint? Plus one for a useful contribution.
    – tom
    1 hour ago










  • in response to the question edit... interesting edit, but it is way too early for any (more) hints
    – tom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    Oh, I see what I'm missing: r13(gur beqre gurl ner chfurq va)
    – MetaZen
    1 hour ago










  • Updated my answer
    – MetaZen
    55 mins ago















I like your logic, but the mechanical device is more clever than just knowing whether the button is pushed in or not... does that give a hint? Plus one for a useful contribution.
– tom
1 hour ago




I like your logic, but the mechanical device is more clever than just knowing whether the button is pushed in or not... does that give a hint? Plus one for a useful contribution.
– tom
1 hour ago












in response to the question edit... interesting edit, but it is way too early for any (more) hints
– tom
1 hour ago




in response to the question edit... interesting edit, but it is way too early for any (more) hints
– tom
1 hour ago




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1




Oh, I see what I'm missing: r13(gur beqre gurl ner chfurq va)
– MetaZen
1 hour ago




Oh, I see what I'm missing: r13(gur beqre gurl ner chfurq va)
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1 hour ago












Updated my answer
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