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I would like to submit an abstract for a poster presentation, I'm just worried that if I tell my supervisor before submitting, she might say I shouldn't do it, because she rarely wants me to be away from the office. So I was thinking on submitting the abstract and once I'm accepted telling her I've been selected for presenting at that conference. What do you think about it? Would this be a good strategy for attending a conference when having a strict and closed minded supervisor?
P.S. Our research is not about any kind of product or patent we're developing for a company, so no privacy issues apply in there.
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I would like to submit an abstract for a poster presentation, I'm just worried that if I tell my supervisor before submitting, she might say I shouldn't do it, because she rarely wants me to be away from the office. So I was thinking on submitting the abstract and once I'm accepted telling her I've been selected for presenting at that conference. What do you think about it? Would this be a good strategy for attending a conference when having a strict and closed minded supervisor?
P.S. Our research is not about any kind of product or patent we're developing for a company, so no privacy issues apply in there.
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I dont think so it is going to be a good idea, she definitely is going to be pissed off, the best way to do is to tell her and express your interest to participate rather than that it will not positive sign for her.
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I would like to submit an abstract for a poster presentation, I'm just worried that if I tell my supervisor before submitting, she might say I shouldn't do it, because she rarely wants me to be away from the office. So I was thinking on submitting the abstract and once I'm accepted telling her I've been selected for presenting at that conference. What do you think about it? Would this be a good strategy for attending a conference when having a strict and closed minded supervisor?
P.S. Our research is not about any kind of product or patent we're developing for a company, so no privacy issues apply in there.
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I would like to submit an abstract for a poster presentation, I'm just worried that if I tell my supervisor before submitting, she might say I shouldn't do it, because she rarely wants me to be away from the office. So I was thinking on submitting the abstract and once I'm accepted telling her I've been selected for presenting at that conference. What do you think about it? Would this be a good strategy for attending a conference when having a strict and closed minded supervisor?
P.S. Our research is not about any kind of product or patent we're developing for a company, so no privacy issues apply in there.
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I dont think so it is going to be a good idea, she definitely is going to be pissed off, the best way to do is to tell her and express your interest to participate rather than that it will not positive sign for her.
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I dont think so it is going to be a good idea, she definitely is going to be pissed off, the best way to do is to tell her and express your interest to participate rather than that it will not positive sign for her.
– Monika
5 mins ago
I dont think so it is going to be a good idea, she definitely is going to be pissed off, the best way to do is to tell her and express your interest to participate rather than that it will not positive sign for her.
– Monika
5 mins ago
I dont think so it is going to be a good idea, she definitely is going to be pissed off, the best way to do is to tell her and express your interest to participate rather than that it will not positive sign for her.
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Yes you could.
I'd strongly suggest you not do it.
Your supervisor has a lot of power over you - they aren't someone you want to upset.
It is unfortunate that your supervisor is not supportive of you trying to seek out conferences to present at, but you should address that issue with them rather than try to go behind their back. I would suggest trying to find another supervisor before I would suggest trying to undermine the authority of your current supervisor: there just aren't enough positives for you on that path.
Note that if your supervisor deserves authorship on your work, either omitting their name as an author or submitting without the approval of someone listed as an author could be considered academic misconduct. In some fields, authorship by only a student without their supervisor is common, but if you aren't in one of those fields you should be especially careful.
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I would recommend the opposite of the answer of Brian Krause unless you have explicitly been told in the past not to submit things. You aren't going behind her back, you are just being professional. It seems to me to be a mistake only to try to counter explicit instructions.
I'm assuming, of course, that the work is yours alone and that shared authorship is not an issue for this work.
However, there are two other issues. One is the payment of conference fees and travel expenses. You can't really expect her to cover these unless she has approved of them in advance. The other is how to deal with the time you will spend away. If others depend on your presence, say in a lab, it could be disruptive.
I would suggest that you submit, but expect that you might not be able to actually attend. Sometimes that can be worked out with the conference committee and sometimes the author has to withdraw, which can be a bit embarrassing.
But it seems a mistake to me to make a decision based on what she might do. Just be prepared for what she does and to accept final decisions if necessary.
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In my field it would be very atypical and unprofessional for a student to submit an abstract without supervisor approval, since the supervisor would almost certainly be a coauthor and authorship without supervisors is incredibly rare. I realize in other fields the norms are different and I probably should have mentioned that in my answer. From the OP's history, though, they are in neuropsychology which is quite close to my field.
– Bryan Krause
39 mins ago
@BryanKrause, if the situation is so unusual in the field, then the submission is likely to be rejected in any case. I don't see that it is unprofessional in any field to take initiative on scholarly work. Some may wish to impose such ideas on students, but it seems foolish to me. Atypical, I can accept, of course. One can't, of course, submit work that is partially the work of others without some form of co-authorship.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
1
Yes, your last sentence is why it's an issue: in fields like neuropsychology there is almost zero work that is not partially the work of others, and the research is at a minimum usually designed by or with the feedback of the PI, sometimes even years before a student has started the project. Depending on the conference, though, no, it would probably not be rejected for this, conferences in the field aren't as important as papers and the peer review for conferences, especially for posters, is fairly minimal. Reviewers aren't going to google the authors to see if any is a PI.
– Bryan Krause
30 mins ago
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@BryanKrause, I edited to clarify as did you. Some supervisors are just over-controlling even in situations in which this isn't an issue as you can see from other questions on this site. But anyone should be free to publish their own work.
– Buffy
13 mins ago
Yeah, I definitely agree that a supervisor doing anything to prevent the professional development of their students is a terrible betrayal of their responsibilities.
– Bryan Krause
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I fail to see how logistically this can be done. If her name is on it, the submission will usually assume all authors agreed on the final version. She will get an e-mail and find out that you faked her approval.
If the work does not have her name on it, then she can be right not to give you paid leaves to present it. In that case, pay for yourself and spend your day offs to attend it. Think of it as a workation, learning tour, etc.
Another possibility is to apply for travel scholarship. These are usually a sign of approval from the organization on the work's quality and that may push her closer to saying yes.
More importantly, submitting an abstract behind her does not address the root cause that she does not want you to be absent. Perhaps start from there, during annual review or periodic meetings, list "going to a conference" as a goal and start the negotiation there. List possible "win-win" for you and her (the research team.) Express firm interests and ask for guidance. Be upfront about if you need her grant to support you or you'll pay, etc. Perhaps she was worried about funding. You may also suggest attending local conferences to cut costs, or remote meetings to make sure you're not missing important affairs at the base.
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Yes you could.
I'd strongly suggest you not do it.
Your supervisor has a lot of power over you - they aren't someone you want to upset.
It is unfortunate that your supervisor is not supportive of you trying to seek out conferences to present at, but you should address that issue with them rather than try to go behind their back. I would suggest trying to find another supervisor before I would suggest trying to undermine the authority of your current supervisor: there just aren't enough positives for you on that path.
Note that if your supervisor deserves authorship on your work, either omitting their name as an author or submitting without the approval of someone listed as an author could be considered academic misconduct. In some fields, authorship by only a student without their supervisor is common, but if you aren't in one of those fields you should be especially careful.
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Yes you could.
I'd strongly suggest you not do it.
Your supervisor has a lot of power over you - they aren't someone you want to upset.
It is unfortunate that your supervisor is not supportive of you trying to seek out conferences to present at, but you should address that issue with them rather than try to go behind their back. I would suggest trying to find another supervisor before I would suggest trying to undermine the authority of your current supervisor: there just aren't enough positives for you on that path.
Note that if your supervisor deserves authorship on your work, either omitting their name as an author or submitting without the approval of someone listed as an author could be considered academic misconduct. In some fields, authorship by only a student without their supervisor is common, but if you aren't in one of those fields you should be especially careful.
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Yes you could.
I'd strongly suggest you not do it.
Your supervisor has a lot of power over you - they aren't someone you want to upset.
It is unfortunate that your supervisor is not supportive of you trying to seek out conferences to present at, but you should address that issue with them rather than try to go behind their back. I would suggest trying to find another supervisor before I would suggest trying to undermine the authority of your current supervisor: there just aren't enough positives for you on that path.
Note that if your supervisor deserves authorship on your work, either omitting their name as an author or submitting without the approval of someone listed as an author could be considered academic misconduct. In some fields, authorship by only a student without their supervisor is common, but if you aren't in one of those fields you should be especially careful.
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Bryan Krause
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Yes you could.
I'd strongly suggest you not do it.
Your supervisor has a lot of power over you - they aren't someone you want to upset.
It is unfortunate that your supervisor is not supportive of you trying to seek out conferences to present at, but you should address that issue with them rather than try to go behind their back. I would suggest trying to find another supervisor before I would suggest trying to undermine the authority of your current supervisor: there just aren't enough positives for you on that path.
Note that if your supervisor deserves authorship on your work, either omitting their name as an author or submitting without the approval of someone listed as an author could be considered academic misconduct. In some fields, authorship by only a student without their supervisor is common, but if you aren't in one of those fields you should be especially careful.
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I would recommend the opposite of the answer of Brian Krause unless you have explicitly been told in the past not to submit things. You aren't going behind her back, you are just being professional. It seems to me to be a mistake only to try to counter explicit instructions.
I'm assuming, of course, that the work is yours alone and that shared authorship is not an issue for this work.
However, there are two other issues. One is the payment of conference fees and travel expenses. You can't really expect her to cover these unless she has approved of them in advance. The other is how to deal with the time you will spend away. If others depend on your presence, say in a lab, it could be disruptive.
I would suggest that you submit, but expect that you might not be able to actually attend. Sometimes that can be worked out with the conference committee and sometimes the author has to withdraw, which can be a bit embarrassing.
But it seems a mistake to me to make a decision based on what she might do. Just be prepared for what she does and to accept final decisions if necessary.
answered 47 mins ago
Buffy
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In my field it would be very atypical and unprofessional for a student to submit an abstract without supervisor approval, since the supervisor would almost certainly be a coauthor and authorship without supervisors is incredibly rare. I realize in other fields the norms are different and I probably should have mentioned that in my answer. From the OP's history, though, they are in neuropsychology which is quite close to my field.
– Bryan Krause
39 mins ago
@BryanKrause, if the situation is so unusual in the field, then the submission is likely to be rejected in any case. I don't see that it is unprofessional in any field to take initiative on scholarly work. Some may wish to impose such ideas on students, but it seems foolish to me. Atypical, I can accept, of course. One can't, of course, submit work that is partially the work of others without some form of co-authorship.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
1
Yes, your last sentence is why it's an issue: in fields like neuropsychology there is almost zero work that is not partially the work of others, and the research is at a minimum usually designed by or with the feedback of the PI, sometimes even years before a student has started the project. Depending on the conference, though, no, it would probably not be rejected for this, conferences in the field aren't as important as papers and the peer review for conferences, especially for posters, is fairly minimal. Reviewers aren't going to google the authors to see if any is a PI.
– Bryan Krause
30 mins ago
1
@BryanKrause, I edited to clarify as did you. Some supervisors are just over-controlling even in situations in which this isn't an issue as you can see from other questions on this site. But anyone should be free to publish their own work.
– Buffy
13 mins ago
Yeah, I definitely agree that a supervisor doing anything to prevent the professional development of their students is a terrible betrayal of their responsibilities.
– Bryan Krause
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
I would recommend the opposite of the answer of Brian Krause unless you have explicitly been told in the past not to submit things. You aren't going behind her back, you are just being professional. It seems to me to be a mistake only to try to counter explicit instructions.
I'm assuming, of course, that the work is yours alone and that shared authorship is not an issue for this work.
However, there are two other issues. One is the payment of conference fees and travel expenses. You can't really expect her to cover these unless she has approved of them in advance. The other is how to deal with the time you will spend away. If others depend on your presence, say in a lab, it could be disruptive.
I would suggest that you submit, but expect that you might not be able to actually attend. Sometimes that can be worked out with the conference committee and sometimes the author has to withdraw, which can be a bit embarrassing.
But it seems a mistake to me to make a decision based on what she might do. Just be prepared for what she does and to accept final decisions if necessary.
answered 47 mins ago
Buffy
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In my field it would be very atypical and unprofessional for a student to submit an abstract without supervisor approval, since the supervisor would almost certainly be a coauthor and authorship without supervisors is incredibly rare. I realize in other fields the norms are different and I probably should have mentioned that in my answer. From the OP's history, though, they are in neuropsychology which is quite close to my field.
– Bryan Krause
39 mins ago
@BryanKrause, if the situation is so unusual in the field, then the submission is likely to be rejected in any case. I don't see that it is unprofessional in any field to take initiative on scholarly work. Some may wish to impose such ideas on students, but it seems foolish to me. Atypical, I can accept, of course. One can't, of course, submit work that is partially the work of others without some form of co-authorship.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
1
Yes, your last sentence is why it's an issue: in fields like neuropsychology there is almost zero work that is not partially the work of others, and the research is at a minimum usually designed by or with the feedback of the PI, sometimes even years before a student has started the project. Depending on the conference, though, no, it would probably not be rejected for this, conferences in the field aren't as important as papers and the peer review for conferences, especially for posters, is fairly minimal. Reviewers aren't going to google the authors to see if any is a PI.
– Bryan Krause
30 mins ago
1
@BryanKrause, I edited to clarify as did you. Some supervisors are just over-controlling even in situations in which this isn't an issue as you can see from other questions on this site. But anyone should be free to publish their own work.
– Buffy
13 mins ago
Yeah, I definitely agree that a supervisor doing anything to prevent the professional development of their students is a terrible betrayal of their responsibilities.
– Bryan Krause
10 mins ago
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I would recommend the opposite of the answer of Brian Krause unless you have explicitly been told in the past not to submit things. You aren't going behind her back, you are just being professional. It seems to me to be a mistake only to try to counter explicit instructions.
I'm assuming, of course, that the work is yours alone and that shared authorship is not an issue for this work.
However, there are two other issues. One is the payment of conference fees and travel expenses. You can't really expect her to cover these unless she has approved of them in advance. The other is how to deal with the time you will spend away. If others depend on your presence, say in a lab, it could be disruptive.
I would suggest that you submit, but expect that you might not be able to actually attend. Sometimes that can be worked out with the conference committee and sometimes the author has to withdraw, which can be a bit embarrassing.
But it seems a mistake to me to make a decision based on what she might do. Just be prepared for what she does and to accept final decisions if necessary.
answered 47 mins ago
Buffy
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I would recommend the opposite of the answer of Brian Krause unless you have explicitly been told in the past not to submit things. You aren't going behind her back, you are just being professional. It seems to me to be a mistake only to try to counter explicit instructions.
I'm assuming, of course, that the work is yours alone and that shared authorship is not an issue for this work.
However, there are two other issues. One is the payment of conference fees and travel expenses. You can't really expect her to cover these unless she has approved of them in advance. The other is how to deal with the time you will spend away. If others depend on your presence, say in a lab, it could be disruptive.
I would suggest that you submit, but expect that you might not be able to actually attend. Sometimes that can be worked out with the conference committee and sometimes the author has to withdraw, which can be a bit embarrassing.
But it seems a mistake to me to make a decision based on what she might do. Just be prepared for what she does and to accept final decisions if necessary.
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In my field it would be very atypical and unprofessional for a student to submit an abstract without supervisor approval, since the supervisor would almost certainly be a coauthor and authorship without supervisors is incredibly rare. I realize in other fields the norms are different and I probably should have mentioned that in my answer. From the OP's history, though, they are in neuropsychology which is quite close to my field.
– Bryan Krause
39 mins ago
@BryanKrause, if the situation is so unusual in the field, then the submission is likely to be rejected in any case. I don't see that it is unprofessional in any field to take initiative on scholarly work. Some may wish to impose such ideas on students, but it seems foolish to me. Atypical, I can accept, of course. One can't, of course, submit work that is partially the work of others without some form of co-authorship.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
1
Yes, your last sentence is why it's an issue: in fields like neuropsychology there is almost zero work that is not partially the work of others, and the research is at a minimum usually designed by or with the feedback of the PI, sometimes even years before a student has started the project. Depending on the conference, though, no, it would probably not be rejected for this, conferences in the field aren't as important as papers and the peer review for conferences, especially for posters, is fairly minimal. Reviewers aren't going to google the authors to see if any is a PI.
– Bryan Krause
30 mins ago
1
@BryanKrause, I edited to clarify as did you. Some supervisors are just over-controlling even in situations in which this isn't an issue as you can see from other questions on this site. But anyone should be free to publish their own work.
– Buffy
13 mins ago
Yeah, I definitely agree that a supervisor doing anything to prevent the professional development of their students is a terrible betrayal of their responsibilities.
– Bryan Krause
10 mins ago
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In my field it would be very atypical and unprofessional for a student to submit an abstract without supervisor approval, since the supervisor would almost certainly be a coauthor and authorship without supervisors is incredibly rare. I realize in other fields the norms are different and I probably should have mentioned that in my answer. From the OP's history, though, they are in neuropsychology which is quite close to my field.
– Bryan Krause
39 mins ago
@BryanKrause, if the situation is so unusual in the field, then the submission is likely to be rejected in any case. I don't see that it is unprofessional in any field to take initiative on scholarly work. Some may wish to impose such ideas on students, but it seems foolish to me. Atypical, I can accept, of course. One can't, of course, submit work that is partially the work of others without some form of co-authorship.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
1
Yes, your last sentence is why it's an issue: in fields like neuropsychology there is almost zero work that is not partially the work of others, and the research is at a minimum usually designed by or with the feedback of the PI, sometimes even years before a student has started the project. Depending on the conference, though, no, it would probably not be rejected for this, conferences in the field aren't as important as papers and the peer review for conferences, especially for posters, is fairly minimal. Reviewers aren't going to google the authors to see if any is a PI.
– Bryan Krause
30 mins ago
1
@BryanKrause, I edited to clarify as did you. Some supervisors are just over-controlling even in situations in which this isn't an issue as you can see from other questions on this site. But anyone should be free to publish their own work.
– Buffy
13 mins ago
Yeah, I definitely agree that a supervisor doing anything to prevent the professional development of their students is a terrible betrayal of their responsibilities.
– Bryan Krause
10 mins ago
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In my field it would be very atypical and unprofessional for a student to submit an abstract without supervisor approval, since the supervisor would almost certainly be a coauthor and authorship without supervisors is incredibly rare. I realize in other fields the norms are different and I probably should have mentioned that in my answer. From the OP's history, though, they are in neuropsychology which is quite close to my field.
– Bryan Krause
39 mins ago
In my field it would be very atypical and unprofessional for a student to submit an abstract without supervisor approval, since the supervisor would almost certainly be a coauthor and authorship without supervisors is incredibly rare. I realize in other fields the norms are different and I probably should have mentioned that in my answer. From the OP's history, though, they are in neuropsychology which is quite close to my field.
– Bryan Krause
39 mins ago
@BryanKrause, if the situation is so unusual in the field, then the submission is likely to be rejected in any case. I don't see that it is unprofessional in any field to take initiative on scholarly work. Some may wish to impose such ideas on students, but it seems foolish to me. Atypical, I can accept, of course. One can't, of course, submit work that is partially the work of others without some form of co-authorship.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
@BryanKrause, if the situation is so unusual in the field, then the submission is likely to be rejected in any case. I don't see that it is unprofessional in any field to take initiative on scholarly work. Some may wish to impose such ideas on students, but it seems foolish to me. Atypical, I can accept, of course. One can't, of course, submit work that is partially the work of others without some form of co-authorship.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
1
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Yes, your last sentence is why it's an issue: in fields like neuropsychology there is almost zero work that is not partially the work of others, and the research is at a minimum usually designed by or with the feedback of the PI, sometimes even years before a student has started the project. Depending on the conference, though, no, it would probably not be rejected for this, conferences in the field aren't as important as papers and the peer review for conferences, especially for posters, is fairly minimal. Reviewers aren't going to google the authors to see if any is a PI.
– Bryan Krause
30 mins ago
Yes, your last sentence is why it's an issue: in fields like neuropsychology there is almost zero work that is not partially the work of others, and the research is at a minimum usually designed by or with the feedback of the PI, sometimes even years before a student has started the project. Depending on the conference, though, no, it would probably not be rejected for this, conferences in the field aren't as important as papers and the peer review for conferences, especially for posters, is fairly minimal. Reviewers aren't going to google the authors to see if any is a PI.
– Bryan Krause
30 mins ago
1
1
@BryanKrause, I edited to clarify as did you. Some supervisors are just over-controlling even in situations in which this isn't an issue as you can see from other questions on this site. But anyone should be free to publish their own work.
– Buffy
13 mins ago
@BryanKrause, I edited to clarify as did you. Some supervisors are just over-controlling even in situations in which this isn't an issue as you can see from other questions on this site. But anyone should be free to publish their own work.
– Buffy
13 mins ago
Yeah, I definitely agree that a supervisor doing anything to prevent the professional development of their students is a terrible betrayal of their responsibilities.
– Bryan Krause
10 mins ago
Yeah, I definitely agree that a supervisor doing anything to prevent the professional development of their students is a terrible betrayal of their responsibilities.
– Bryan Krause
10 mins ago
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I fail to see how logistically this can be done. If her name is on it, the submission will usually assume all authors agreed on the final version. She will get an e-mail and find out that you faked her approval.
If the work does not have her name on it, then she can be right not to give you paid leaves to present it. In that case, pay for yourself and spend your day offs to attend it. Think of it as a workation, learning tour, etc.
Another possibility is to apply for travel scholarship. These are usually a sign of approval from the organization on the work's quality and that may push her closer to saying yes.
More importantly, submitting an abstract behind her does not address the root cause that she does not want you to be absent. Perhaps start from there, during annual review or periodic meetings, list "going to a conference" as a goal and start the negotiation there. List possible "win-win" for you and her (the research team.) Express firm interests and ask for guidance. Be upfront about if you need her grant to support you or you'll pay, etc. Perhaps she was worried about funding. You may also suggest attending local conferences to cut costs, or remote meetings to make sure you're not missing important affairs at the base.
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I fail to see how logistically this can be done. If her name is on it, the submission will usually assume all authors agreed on the final version. She will get an e-mail and find out that you faked her approval.
If the work does not have her name on it, then she can be right not to give you paid leaves to present it. In that case, pay for yourself and spend your day offs to attend it. Think of it as a workation, learning tour, etc.
Another possibility is to apply for travel scholarship. These are usually a sign of approval from the organization on the work's quality and that may push her closer to saying yes.
More importantly, submitting an abstract behind her does not address the root cause that she does not want you to be absent. Perhaps start from there, during annual review or periodic meetings, list "going to a conference" as a goal and start the negotiation there. List possible "win-win" for you and her (the research team.) Express firm interests and ask for guidance. Be upfront about if you need her grant to support you or you'll pay, etc. Perhaps she was worried about funding. You may also suggest attending local conferences to cut costs, or remote meetings to make sure you're not missing important affairs at the base.
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I fail to see how logistically this can be done. If her name is on it, the submission will usually assume all authors agreed on the final version. She will get an e-mail and find out that you faked her approval.
If the work does not have her name on it, then she can be right not to give you paid leaves to present it. In that case, pay for yourself and spend your day offs to attend it. Think of it as a workation, learning tour, etc.
Another possibility is to apply for travel scholarship. These are usually a sign of approval from the organization on the work's quality and that may push her closer to saying yes.
More importantly, submitting an abstract behind her does not address the root cause that she does not want you to be absent. Perhaps start from there, during annual review or periodic meetings, list "going to a conference" as a goal and start the negotiation there. List possible "win-win" for you and her (the research team.) Express firm interests and ask for guidance. Be upfront about if you need her grant to support you or you'll pay, etc. Perhaps she was worried about funding. You may also suggest attending local conferences to cut costs, or remote meetings to make sure you're not missing important affairs at the base.
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I fail to see how logistically this can be done. If her name is on it, the submission will usually assume all authors agreed on the final version. She will get an e-mail and find out that you faked her approval.
If the work does not have her name on it, then she can be right not to give you paid leaves to present it. In that case, pay for yourself and spend your day offs to attend it. Think of it as a workation, learning tour, etc.
Another possibility is to apply for travel scholarship. These are usually a sign of approval from the organization on the work's quality and that may push her closer to saying yes.
More importantly, submitting an abstract behind her does not address the root cause that she does not want you to be absent. Perhaps start from there, during annual review or periodic meetings, list "going to a conference" as a goal and start the negotiation there. List possible "win-win" for you and her (the research team.) Express firm interests and ask for guidance. Be upfront about if you need her grant to support you or you'll pay, etc. Perhaps she was worried about funding. You may also suggest attending local conferences to cut costs, or remote meetings to make sure you're not missing important affairs at the base.
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I dont think so it is going to be a good idea, she definitely is going to be pissed off, the best way to do is to tell her and express your interest to participate rather than that it will not positive sign for her.
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