Vector proof question for pre-calculus
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A vector $mathbfv$ is called a unit vector if $|mathbfv| = 1$.
Let $mathbfa$, $mathbfb$, and $mathbfc$ be unit vectors, such that $mathbfa + mathbfb + mathbfc = mathbf0$. Show that the angle between any two of these vectors is $120^circ$. I think I should use law of cosines.
I would like to involve vectors.
Also, on the side, I am confused with this question:
If $mathbfa$ and $mathbfb$ are vectors such that $|mathbfa| = 4$, $|mathbfb| = 5$, and $|mathbfa + mathbfb| = 7$, then find $|2 mathbfa - 3 mathbfb|$. I think you are supposed to use vectors inside of the dot operations. I don't know how to solve.
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A vector $mathbfv$ is called a unit vector if $|mathbfv| = 1$.
Let $mathbfa$, $mathbfb$, and $mathbfc$ be unit vectors, such that $mathbfa + mathbfb + mathbfc = mathbf0$. Show that the angle between any two of these vectors is $120^circ$. I think I should use law of cosines.
I would like to involve vectors.
Also, on the side, I am confused with this question:
If $mathbfa$ and $mathbfb$ are vectors such that $|mathbfa| = 4$, $|mathbfb| = 5$, and $|mathbfa + mathbfb| = 7$, then find $|2 mathbfa - 3 mathbfb|$. I think you are supposed to use vectors inside of the dot operations. I don't know how to solve.
algebra-precalculus
for the second question, How should I approach it?
â ilikepi314
52 mins ago
Polarization identity aka the parallelogram law.
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A vector $mathbfv$ is called a unit vector if $|mathbfv| = 1$.
Let $mathbfa$, $mathbfb$, and $mathbfc$ be unit vectors, such that $mathbfa + mathbfb + mathbfc = mathbf0$. Show that the angle between any two of these vectors is $120^circ$. I think I should use law of cosines.
I would like to involve vectors.
Also, on the side, I am confused with this question:
If $mathbfa$ and $mathbfb$ are vectors such that $|mathbfa| = 4$, $|mathbfb| = 5$, and $|mathbfa + mathbfb| = 7$, then find $|2 mathbfa - 3 mathbfb|$. I think you are supposed to use vectors inside of the dot operations. I don't know how to solve.
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A vector $mathbfv$ is called a unit vector if $|mathbfv| = 1$.
Let $mathbfa$, $mathbfb$, and $mathbfc$ be unit vectors, such that $mathbfa + mathbfb + mathbfc = mathbf0$. Show that the angle between any two of these vectors is $120^circ$. I think I should use law of cosines.
I would like to involve vectors.
Also, on the side, I am confused with this question:
If $mathbfa$ and $mathbfb$ are vectors such that $|mathbfa| = 4$, $|mathbfb| = 5$, and $|mathbfa + mathbfb| = 7$, then find $|2 mathbfa - 3 mathbfb|$. I think you are supposed to use vectors inside of the dot operations. I don't know how to solve.
algebra-precalculus
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for the second question, How should I approach it?
â ilikepi314
52 mins ago
Polarization identity aka the parallelogram law.
â amd
14 mins ago
add a comment |Â
for the second question, How should I approach it?
â ilikepi314
52 mins ago
Polarization identity aka the parallelogram law.
â amd
14 mins ago
for the second question, How should I approach it?
â ilikepi314
52 mins ago
for the second question, How should I approach it?
â ilikepi314
52 mins ago
Polarization identity aka the parallelogram law.
â amd
14 mins ago
Polarization identity aka the parallelogram law.
â amd
14 mins ago
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Any two vectors define a plane. The third vector must lie in that plane if the sum of the three is to equal $bf 0$. Equilateral triangles (which are in a plane) have angles $120^circ$.
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We have: $0 = acdot (b+c+a) = 1 + cos B + cos C$, and similarly $cos A + cos C = -1, cos A + cos B = -1 $. Thus $cos A = cos B = cos C = -1/2implies A = B = C = 120^circ$
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Given $a+b+c=0$
$$(a+b+c)^2=|a|^2+|b|^2+|c|^2+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0$$
Since it is given that they are unit vectors,
begingather|a|+|b|+|c|=1 \[4px]
1+1+1+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0\[4px]
2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=-3\[4px]
acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a=-dfrac32
endgather
which implies that $$acdot b=bcdot c=ccdot a=-dfrac12$$.
So, the angle between any two vectors is $120^circ$
wait so you do not need law of cosine?
â ilikepi314
56 mins ago
@ilikepi314 If $theta$ is the angle between the unit vectors $a,b$ then $costheta=acdot b$
â Key Flex
54 mins ago
oh i pulled a silly.
â ilikepi314
53 mins ago
2
@KeyFlex : Not trying to downvote your post, but I don't see a clear implication from $a cdot b + bcdot c + ccdot a = -3/2 implies acdot b = -1/2$. This line is what you have to prove, and you have not proved it !
â DeepSea
43 mins ago
Yeah there is a big jump here where you assume that $a cdot b$, $b cdot c$, and $c cdot a$ are all equal.
â Morgan Rodgers
33 mins ago
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Solution for the rest of your question:
$$
langle a,brangle=frac^22=frac49-16-252=4.
$$
$$
|2a-3b|^2=4|a|^2+9|b|^2-12langle a,brangle=4.16+9.25-12.4=241.
$$
Hence $|2a-3b|=sqrt241.$
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With reference to the triangle with vertices $A,B,C$ such that $OA=vec a$ $OB=vec b$ and $OC=vec c$ we have that the centroid coincides with the origin indeed
$$OG=fracvec a+vec b+vec c3=vec 0$$
and the origin also coincides with the circumcenter, therefore the $triangle ABC$ is equilateral and the angle between any two of $vec a,vec b,vec c$ is $120ð$.
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Big hint for the first part: If $mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c=0$ then $mathbf acdot(mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c)=0$. Now use linearity of the dot product and the identity $mathbf vcdotmathbf w = |mathbf v|,|mathbf w|costheta$, where $theta$ is the angle between $mathbf v$ and $mathbf w$.
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As pointed out firstly by David Stork, we have that the sum of three unit vectors is equal to zero if and only if they are on the side of a equilateral triangle therefore the the angle between any two of these vectors is $120ð$.
@MorganRodgers I did'n see that! I think it is the best answer. The OP can see that mine was given later. Anyway I've also added a sketch.
â gimusi
27 mins ago
@MorganRodgers I've added another answer with a different derivation of this fact.
â gimusi
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7 Answers
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7 Answers
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Any two vectors define a plane. The third vector must lie in that plane if the sum of the three is to equal $bf 0$. Equilateral triangles (which are in a plane) have angles $120^circ$.
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up vote
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Any two vectors define a plane. The third vector must lie in that plane if the sum of the three is to equal $bf 0$. Equilateral triangles (which are in a plane) have angles $120^circ$.
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Any two vectors define a plane. The third vector must lie in that plane if the sum of the three is to equal $bf 0$. Equilateral triangles (which are in a plane) have angles $120^circ$.
Any two vectors define a plane. The third vector must lie in that plane if the sum of the three is to equal $bf 0$. Equilateral triangles (which are in a plane) have angles $120^circ$.
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We have: $0 = acdot (b+c+a) = 1 + cos B + cos C$, and similarly $cos A + cos C = -1, cos A + cos B = -1 $. Thus $cos A = cos B = cos C = -1/2implies A = B = C = 120^circ$
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We have: $0 = acdot (b+c+a) = 1 + cos B + cos C$, and similarly $cos A + cos C = -1, cos A + cos B = -1 $. Thus $cos A = cos B = cos C = -1/2implies A = B = C = 120^circ$
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We have: $0 = acdot (b+c+a) = 1 + cos B + cos C$, and similarly $cos A + cos C = -1, cos A + cos B = -1 $. Thus $cos A = cos B = cos C = -1/2implies A = B = C = 120^circ$
We have: $0 = acdot (b+c+a) = 1 + cos B + cos C$, and similarly $cos A + cos C = -1, cos A + cos B = -1 $. Thus $cos A = cos B = cos C = -1/2implies A = B = C = 120^circ$
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Given $a+b+c=0$
$$(a+b+c)^2=|a|^2+|b|^2+|c|^2+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0$$
Since it is given that they are unit vectors,
begingather|a|+|b|+|c|=1 \[4px]
1+1+1+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0\[4px]
2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=-3\[4px]
acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a=-dfrac32
endgather
which implies that $$acdot b=bcdot c=ccdot a=-dfrac12$$.
So, the angle between any two vectors is $120^circ$
wait so you do not need law of cosine?
â ilikepi314
56 mins ago
@ilikepi314 If $theta$ is the angle between the unit vectors $a,b$ then $costheta=acdot b$
â Key Flex
54 mins ago
oh i pulled a silly.
â ilikepi314
53 mins ago
2
@KeyFlex : Not trying to downvote your post, but I don't see a clear implication from $a cdot b + bcdot c + ccdot a = -3/2 implies acdot b = -1/2$. This line is what you have to prove, and you have not proved it !
â DeepSea
43 mins ago
Yeah there is a big jump here where you assume that $a cdot b$, $b cdot c$, and $c cdot a$ are all equal.
â Morgan Rodgers
33 mins ago
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Given $a+b+c=0$
$$(a+b+c)^2=|a|^2+|b|^2+|c|^2+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0$$
Since it is given that they are unit vectors,
begingather|a|+|b|+|c|=1 \[4px]
1+1+1+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0\[4px]
2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=-3\[4px]
acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a=-dfrac32
endgather
which implies that $$acdot b=bcdot c=ccdot a=-dfrac12$$.
So, the angle between any two vectors is $120^circ$
wait so you do not need law of cosine?
â ilikepi314
56 mins ago
@ilikepi314 If $theta$ is the angle between the unit vectors $a,b$ then $costheta=acdot b$
â Key Flex
54 mins ago
oh i pulled a silly.
â ilikepi314
53 mins ago
2
@KeyFlex : Not trying to downvote your post, but I don't see a clear implication from $a cdot b + bcdot c + ccdot a = -3/2 implies acdot b = -1/2$. This line is what you have to prove, and you have not proved it !
â DeepSea
43 mins ago
Yeah there is a big jump here where you assume that $a cdot b$, $b cdot c$, and $c cdot a$ are all equal.
â Morgan Rodgers
33 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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Given $a+b+c=0$
$$(a+b+c)^2=|a|^2+|b|^2+|c|^2+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0$$
Since it is given that they are unit vectors,
begingather|a|+|b|+|c|=1 \[4px]
1+1+1+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0\[4px]
2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=-3\[4px]
acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a=-dfrac32
endgather
which implies that $$acdot b=bcdot c=ccdot a=-dfrac12$$.
So, the angle between any two vectors is $120^circ$
Given $a+b+c=0$
$$(a+b+c)^2=|a|^2+|b|^2+|c|^2+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0$$
Since it is given that they are unit vectors,
begingather|a|+|b|+|c|=1 \[4px]
1+1+1+2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=0\[4px]
2(acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a)=-3\[4px]
acdot b+bcdot c+ccdot a=-dfrac32
endgather
which implies that $$acdot b=bcdot c=ccdot a=-dfrac12$$.
So, the angle between any two vectors is $120^circ$
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wait so you do not need law of cosine?
â ilikepi314
56 mins ago
@ilikepi314 If $theta$ is the angle between the unit vectors $a,b$ then $costheta=acdot b$
â Key Flex
54 mins ago
oh i pulled a silly.
â ilikepi314
53 mins ago
2
@KeyFlex : Not trying to downvote your post, but I don't see a clear implication from $a cdot b + bcdot c + ccdot a = -3/2 implies acdot b = -1/2$. This line is what you have to prove, and you have not proved it !
â DeepSea
43 mins ago
Yeah there is a big jump here where you assume that $a cdot b$, $b cdot c$, and $c cdot a$ are all equal.
â Morgan Rodgers
33 mins ago
add a comment |Â
wait so you do not need law of cosine?
â ilikepi314
56 mins ago
@ilikepi314 If $theta$ is the angle between the unit vectors $a,b$ then $costheta=acdot b$
â Key Flex
54 mins ago
oh i pulled a silly.
â ilikepi314
53 mins ago
2
@KeyFlex : Not trying to downvote your post, but I don't see a clear implication from $a cdot b + bcdot c + ccdot a = -3/2 implies acdot b = -1/2$. This line is what you have to prove, and you have not proved it !
â DeepSea
43 mins ago
Yeah there is a big jump here where you assume that $a cdot b$, $b cdot c$, and $c cdot a$ are all equal.
â Morgan Rodgers
33 mins ago
wait so you do not need law of cosine?
â ilikepi314
56 mins ago
wait so you do not need law of cosine?
â ilikepi314
56 mins ago
@ilikepi314 If $theta$ is the angle between the unit vectors $a,b$ then $costheta=acdot b$
â Key Flex
54 mins ago
@ilikepi314 If $theta$ is the angle between the unit vectors $a,b$ then $costheta=acdot b$
â Key Flex
54 mins ago
oh i pulled a silly.
â ilikepi314
53 mins ago
oh i pulled a silly.
â ilikepi314
53 mins ago
2
2
@KeyFlex : Not trying to downvote your post, but I don't see a clear implication from $a cdot b + bcdot c + ccdot a = -3/2 implies acdot b = -1/2$. This line is what you have to prove, and you have not proved it !
â DeepSea
43 mins ago
@KeyFlex : Not trying to downvote your post, but I don't see a clear implication from $a cdot b + bcdot c + ccdot a = -3/2 implies acdot b = -1/2$. This line is what you have to prove, and you have not proved it !
â DeepSea
43 mins ago
Yeah there is a big jump here where you assume that $a cdot b$, $b cdot c$, and $c cdot a$ are all equal.
â Morgan Rodgers
33 mins ago
Yeah there is a big jump here where you assume that $a cdot b$, $b cdot c$, and $c cdot a$ are all equal.
â Morgan Rodgers
33 mins ago
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Solution for the rest of your question:
$$
langle a,brangle=frac^22=frac49-16-252=4.
$$
$$
|2a-3b|^2=4|a|^2+9|b|^2-12langle a,brangle=4.16+9.25-12.4=241.
$$
Hence $|2a-3b|=sqrt241.$
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Solution for the rest of your question:
$$
langle a,brangle=frac^22=frac49-16-252=4.
$$
$$
|2a-3b|^2=4|a|^2+9|b|^2-12langle a,brangle=4.16+9.25-12.4=241.
$$
Hence $|2a-3b|=sqrt241.$
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Solution for the rest of your question:
$$
langle a,brangle=frac^22=frac49-16-252=4.
$$
$$
|2a-3b|^2=4|a|^2+9|b|^2-12langle a,brangle=4.16+9.25-12.4=241.
$$
Hence $|2a-3b|=sqrt241.$
Solution for the rest of your question:
$$
langle a,brangle=frac^22=frac49-16-252=4.
$$
$$
|2a-3b|^2=4|a|^2+9|b|^2-12langle a,brangle=4.16+9.25-12.4=241.
$$
Hence $|2a-3b|=sqrt241.$
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With reference to the triangle with vertices $A,B,C$ such that $OA=vec a$ $OB=vec b$ and $OC=vec c$ we have that the centroid coincides with the origin indeed
$$OG=fracvec a+vec b+vec c3=vec 0$$
and the origin also coincides with the circumcenter, therefore the $triangle ABC$ is equilateral and the angle between any two of $vec a,vec b,vec c$ is $120ð$.
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With reference to the triangle with vertices $A,B,C$ such that $OA=vec a$ $OB=vec b$ and $OC=vec c$ we have that the centroid coincides with the origin indeed
$$OG=fracvec a+vec b+vec c3=vec 0$$
and the origin also coincides with the circumcenter, therefore the $triangle ABC$ is equilateral and the angle between any two of $vec a,vec b,vec c$ is $120ð$.
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With reference to the triangle with vertices $A,B,C$ such that $OA=vec a$ $OB=vec b$ and $OC=vec c$ we have that the centroid coincides with the origin indeed
$$OG=fracvec a+vec b+vec c3=vec 0$$
and the origin also coincides with the circumcenter, therefore the $triangle ABC$ is equilateral and the angle between any two of $vec a,vec b,vec c$ is $120ð$.
With reference to the triangle with vertices $A,B,C$ such that $OA=vec a$ $OB=vec b$ and $OC=vec c$ we have that the centroid coincides with the origin indeed
$$OG=fracvec a+vec b+vec c3=vec 0$$
and the origin also coincides with the circumcenter, therefore the $triangle ABC$ is equilateral and the angle between any two of $vec a,vec b,vec c$ is $120ð$.
answered 14 mins ago
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Big hint for the first part: If $mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c=0$ then $mathbf acdot(mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c)=0$. Now use linearity of the dot product and the identity $mathbf vcdotmathbf w = |mathbf v|,|mathbf w|costheta$, where $theta$ is the angle between $mathbf v$ and $mathbf w$.
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Big hint for the first part: If $mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c=0$ then $mathbf acdot(mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c)=0$. Now use linearity of the dot product and the identity $mathbf vcdotmathbf w = |mathbf v|,|mathbf w|costheta$, where $theta$ is the angle between $mathbf v$ and $mathbf w$.
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Big hint for the first part: If $mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c=0$ then $mathbf acdot(mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c)=0$. Now use linearity of the dot product and the identity $mathbf vcdotmathbf w = |mathbf v|,|mathbf w|costheta$, where $theta$ is the angle between $mathbf v$ and $mathbf w$.
Big hint for the first part: If $mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c=0$ then $mathbf acdot(mathbf a+mathbf b+mathbf c)=0$. Now use linearity of the dot product and the identity $mathbf vcdotmathbf w = |mathbf v|,|mathbf w|costheta$, where $theta$ is the angle between $mathbf v$ and $mathbf w$.
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As pointed out firstly by David Stork, we have that the sum of three unit vectors is equal to zero if and only if they are on the side of a equilateral triangle therefore the the angle between any two of these vectors is $120ð$.
@MorganRodgers I did'n see that! I think it is the best answer. The OP can see that mine was given later. Anyway I've also added a sketch.
â gimusi
27 mins ago
@MorganRodgers I've added another answer with a different derivation of this fact.
â gimusi
13 mins ago
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up vote
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As pointed out firstly by David Stork, we have that the sum of three unit vectors is equal to zero if and only if they are on the side of a equilateral triangle therefore the the angle between any two of these vectors is $120ð$.
@MorganRodgers I did'n see that! I think it is the best answer. The OP can see that mine was given later. Anyway I've also added a sketch.
â gimusi
27 mins ago
@MorganRodgers I've added another answer with a different derivation of this fact.
â gimusi
13 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
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As pointed out firstly by David Stork, we have that the sum of three unit vectors is equal to zero if and only if they are on the side of a equilateral triangle therefore the the angle between any two of these vectors is $120ð$.
As pointed out firstly by David Stork, we have that the sum of three unit vectors is equal to zero if and only if they are on the side of a equilateral triangle therefore the the angle between any two of these vectors is $120ð$.
edited 13 mins ago
answered 38 mins ago
gimusi
74.3k73889
74.3k73889
@MorganRodgers I did'n see that! I think it is the best answer. The OP can see that mine was given later. Anyway I've also added a sketch.
â gimusi
27 mins ago
@MorganRodgers I've added another answer with a different derivation of this fact.
â gimusi
13 mins ago
add a comment |Â
@MorganRodgers I did'n see that! I think it is the best answer. The OP can see that mine was given later. Anyway I've also added a sketch.
â gimusi
27 mins ago
@MorganRodgers I've added another answer with a different derivation of this fact.
â gimusi
13 mins ago
@MorganRodgers I did'n see that! I think it is the best answer. The OP can see that mine was given later. Anyway I've also added a sketch.
â gimusi
27 mins ago
@MorganRodgers I did'n see that! I think it is the best answer. The OP can see that mine was given later. Anyway I've also added a sketch.
â gimusi
27 mins ago
@MorganRodgers I've added another answer with a different derivation of this fact.
â gimusi
13 mins ago
@MorganRodgers I've added another answer with a different derivation of this fact.
â gimusi
13 mins ago
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for the second question, How should I approach it?
â ilikepi314
52 mins ago
Polarization identity aka the parallelogram law.
â amd
14 mins ago