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The hoodie has been -- even if it was not called so -- it's been an icon throughout history for good and for bad reasons. The earliest ones that we can trace are from ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
(from Ted.com The 3,000-year history of the hoodie)
I did not quite understand the meaning of the sentence... and why did the "so" was at the end of the sentence?
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The hoodie has been -- even if it was not called so -- it's been an icon throughout history for good and for bad reasons. The earliest ones that we can trace are from ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
(from Ted.com The 3,000-year history of the hoodie)
I did not quite understand the meaning of the sentence... and why did the "so" was at the end of the sentence?
meaning-in-context
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The hoodie has been -- even if it was not called so -- it's been an icon throughout history for good and for bad reasons. The earliest ones that we can trace are from ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
(from Ted.com The 3,000-year history of the hoodie)
I did not quite understand the meaning of the sentence... and why did the "so" was at the end of the sentence?
meaning-in-context
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The hoodie has been -- even if it was not called so -- it's been an icon throughout history for good and for bad reasons. The earliest ones that we can trace are from ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
(from Ted.com The 3,000-year history of the hoodie)
I did not quite understand the meaning of the sentence... and why did the "so" was at the end of the sentence?
meaning-in-context
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This is a parenthetical intrusion, a little extra phrase that extends or clarifies the main sentence. It is set off by punctuation. Here dashes have been used, but commas or round brackets are also common.
The main sentence is "The hoodie has been an icon throughout history..."
The speaker adds an extra point. They could have put this extra point at the end of the main sentence
... icon throughout history for good and bad reasons. It has not always been called an icon. The earliest...
or at the beginning:
The hoodie has not always been called an icon, but it has been one throughout history.
But the intrusion is very common, especially in spoken language. The extra idea is spoken as the speaker thinks of it.
The word "so" is a peculiar little word. Here refers to the phrase "an icon". It is an adverb, which modifies the verb "called" to mean "called an icon".
The speaker, after the intrusion, repeats "has been" (but merged into "its been...") again this repetition is characteristic of speech. It would have been edited out of an "essay".
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The relevant definition is #7 in Oxford Dictionaries...
so - In the same way; correspondingly.
Thus we can resequence and rephrase OP's example into something like...
Although "the hoodie" wasn't known by that name in the past, the thing itself has always been iconic.
(Where original even if = although = despite the fact that.)
Note that OP's cited usage is somewhat "dated, formal", and it does rather conflict with the still-common idiomatic usage so-called. Suppose you've suffered a nasty injury while out hiking alone in a remote area, but you've manage to limp in to a tiny hamlet where you meet a man carrying a doctor's medical bag.
You:
I need medical attention! Are you a doctor?
Him:
I am called so, yes.
or
I am so called, yes.
Both the above replies carry the strong implication that the local people think of him as a doctor, even though strictly speaking he doesn't have the relevant formal qualifications. So you can confidently ask him to look at your injured foot.
But - suppose the guy didn't have a medical bag, and the conversation had gone more like...
You:
I need medical attention! Can you help?
Him:
There's a so-called doctor living in that house over there.
In that case you might be better advised to keep going and look for someone else to help, because the strong implication is the person living in that house calls himself a doctor, but he is in fact an incompetent charlatan.
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This is a parenthetical intrusion, a little extra phrase that extends or clarifies the main sentence. It is set off by punctuation. Here dashes have been used, but commas or round brackets are also common.
The main sentence is "The hoodie has been an icon throughout history..."
The speaker adds an extra point. They could have put this extra point at the end of the main sentence
... icon throughout history for good and bad reasons. It has not always been called an icon. The earliest...
or at the beginning:
The hoodie has not always been called an icon, but it has been one throughout history.
But the intrusion is very common, especially in spoken language. The extra idea is spoken as the speaker thinks of it.
The word "so" is a peculiar little word. Here refers to the phrase "an icon". It is an adverb, which modifies the verb "called" to mean "called an icon".
The speaker, after the intrusion, repeats "has been" (but merged into "its been...") again this repetition is characteristic of speech. It would have been edited out of an "essay".
answered 35 mins ago
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This is a parenthetical intrusion, a little extra phrase that extends or clarifies the main sentence. It is set off by punctuation. Here dashes have been used, but commas or round brackets are also common.
The main sentence is "The hoodie has been an icon throughout history..."
The speaker adds an extra point. They could have put this extra point at the end of the main sentence
... icon throughout history for good and bad reasons. It has not always been called an icon. The earliest...
or at the beginning:
The hoodie has not always been called an icon, but it has been one throughout history.
But the intrusion is very common, especially in spoken language. The extra idea is spoken as the speaker thinks of it.
The word "so" is a peculiar little word. Here refers to the phrase "an icon". It is an adverb, which modifies the verb "called" to mean "called an icon".
The speaker, after the intrusion, repeats "has been" (but merged into "its been...") again this repetition is characteristic of speech. It would have been edited out of an "essay".
answered 35 mins ago
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This is a parenthetical intrusion, a little extra phrase that extends or clarifies the main sentence. It is set off by punctuation. Here dashes have been used, but commas or round brackets are also common.
The main sentence is "The hoodie has been an icon throughout history..."
The speaker adds an extra point. They could have put this extra point at the end of the main sentence
... icon throughout history for good and bad reasons. It has not always been called an icon. The earliest...
or at the beginning:
The hoodie has not always been called an icon, but it has been one throughout history.
But the intrusion is very common, especially in spoken language. The extra idea is spoken as the speaker thinks of it.
The word "so" is a peculiar little word. Here refers to the phrase "an icon". It is an adverb, which modifies the verb "called" to mean "called an icon".
The speaker, after the intrusion, repeats "has been" (but merged into "its been...") again this repetition is characteristic of speech. It would have been edited out of an "essay".
answered 35 mins ago
James K
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This is a parenthetical intrusion, a little extra phrase that extends or clarifies the main sentence. It is set off by punctuation. Here dashes have been used, but commas or round brackets are also common.
The main sentence is "The hoodie has been an icon throughout history..."
The speaker adds an extra point. They could have put this extra point at the end of the main sentence
... icon throughout history for good and bad reasons. It has not always been called an icon. The earliest...
or at the beginning:
The hoodie has not always been called an icon, but it has been one throughout history.
But the intrusion is very common, especially in spoken language. The extra idea is spoken as the speaker thinks of it.
The word "so" is a peculiar little word. Here refers to the phrase "an icon". It is an adverb, which modifies the verb "called" to mean "called an icon".
The speaker, after the intrusion, repeats "has been" (but merged into "its been...") again this repetition is characteristic of speech. It would have been edited out of an "essay".
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James K
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The relevant definition is #7 in Oxford Dictionaries...
so - In the same way; correspondingly.
Thus we can resequence and rephrase OP's example into something like...
Although "the hoodie" wasn't known by that name in the past, the thing itself has always been iconic.
(Where original even if = although = despite the fact that.)
Note that OP's cited usage is somewhat "dated, formal", and it does rather conflict with the still-common idiomatic usage so-called. Suppose you've suffered a nasty injury while out hiking alone in a remote area, but you've manage to limp in to a tiny hamlet where you meet a man carrying a doctor's medical bag.
You:
I need medical attention! Are you a doctor?
Him:
I am called so, yes.
or
I am so called, yes.
Both the above replies carry the strong implication that the local people think of him as a doctor, even though strictly speaking he doesn't have the relevant formal qualifications. So you can confidently ask him to look at your injured foot.
But - suppose the guy didn't have a medical bag, and the conversation had gone more like...
You:
I need medical attention! Can you help?
Him:
There's a so-called doctor living in that house over there.
In that case you might be better advised to keep going and look for someone else to help, because the strong implication is the person living in that house calls himself a doctor, but he is in fact an incompetent charlatan.
answered 44 mins ago
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The relevant definition is #7 in Oxford Dictionaries...
so - In the same way; correspondingly.
Thus we can resequence and rephrase OP's example into something like...
Although "the hoodie" wasn't known by that name in the past, the thing itself has always been iconic.
(Where original even if = although = despite the fact that.)
Note that OP's cited usage is somewhat "dated, formal", and it does rather conflict with the still-common idiomatic usage so-called. Suppose you've suffered a nasty injury while out hiking alone in a remote area, but you've manage to limp in to a tiny hamlet where you meet a man carrying a doctor's medical bag.
You:
I need medical attention! Are you a doctor?
Him:
I am called so, yes.
or
I am so called, yes.
Both the above replies carry the strong implication that the local people think of him as a doctor, even though strictly speaking he doesn't have the relevant formal qualifications. So you can confidently ask him to look at your injured foot.
But - suppose the guy didn't have a medical bag, and the conversation had gone more like...
You:
I need medical attention! Can you help?
Him:
There's a so-called doctor living in that house over there.
In that case you might be better advised to keep going and look for someone else to help, because the strong implication is the person living in that house calls himself a doctor, but he is in fact an incompetent charlatan.
answered 44 mins ago
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up vote
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up vote
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The relevant definition is #7 in Oxford Dictionaries...
so - In the same way; correspondingly.
Thus we can resequence and rephrase OP's example into something like...
Although "the hoodie" wasn't known by that name in the past, the thing itself has always been iconic.
(Where original even if = although = despite the fact that.)
Note that OP's cited usage is somewhat "dated, formal", and it does rather conflict with the still-common idiomatic usage so-called. Suppose you've suffered a nasty injury while out hiking alone in a remote area, but you've manage to limp in to a tiny hamlet where you meet a man carrying a doctor's medical bag.
You:
I need medical attention! Are you a doctor?
Him:
I am called so, yes.
or
I am so called, yes.
Both the above replies carry the strong implication that the local people think of him as a doctor, even though strictly speaking he doesn't have the relevant formal qualifications. So you can confidently ask him to look at your injured foot.
But - suppose the guy didn't have a medical bag, and the conversation had gone more like...
You:
I need medical attention! Can you help?
Him:
There's a so-called doctor living in that house over there.
In that case you might be better advised to keep going and look for someone else to help, because the strong implication is the person living in that house calls himself a doctor, but he is in fact an incompetent charlatan.
answered 44 mins ago
FumbleFingers
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The relevant definition is #7 in Oxford Dictionaries...
so - In the same way; correspondingly.
Thus we can resequence and rephrase OP's example into something like...
Although "the hoodie" wasn't known by that name in the past, the thing itself has always been iconic.
(Where original even if = although = despite the fact that.)
Note that OP's cited usage is somewhat "dated, formal", and it does rather conflict with the still-common idiomatic usage so-called. Suppose you've suffered a nasty injury while out hiking alone in a remote area, but you've manage to limp in to a tiny hamlet where you meet a man carrying a doctor's medical bag.
You:
I need medical attention! Are you a doctor?
Him:
I am called so, yes.
or
I am so called, yes.
Both the above replies carry the strong implication that the local people think of him as a doctor, even though strictly speaking he doesn't have the relevant formal qualifications. So you can confidently ask him to look at your injured foot.
But - suppose the guy didn't have a medical bag, and the conversation had gone more like...
You:
I need medical attention! Can you help?
Him:
There's a so-called doctor living in that house over there.
In that case you might be better advised to keep going and look for someone else to help, because the strong implication is the person living in that house calls himself a doctor, but he is in fact an incompetent charlatan.
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