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If a creature uses Shocking Grasp on another creature that uses its reaction to cast Absorb Elements, will Shocking Grasp, which stops a creature from using reactions, cancel out Absorb Elements since Shocking Grasp should happen first before Absorb Elements does?
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If a creature uses Shocking Grasp on another creature that uses its reaction to cast Absorb Elements, will Shocking Grasp, which stops a creature from using reactions, cancel out Absorb Elements since Shocking Grasp should happen first before Absorb Elements does?
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If a creature uses Shocking Grasp on another creature that uses its reaction to cast Absorb Elements, will Shocking Grasp, which stops a creature from using reactions, cancel out Absorb Elements since Shocking Grasp should happen first before Absorb Elements does?
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If a creature uses Shocking Grasp on another creature that uses its reaction to cast Absorb Elements, will Shocking Grasp, which stops a creature from using reactions, cancel out Absorb Elements since Shocking Grasp should happen first before Absorb Elements does?
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Correct, you cannot cast absorb elements in response to shocking grasp
Reactions happen after their triggers unless specified otherwise. The trigger for absorb elements is taking damage...
Reaction which you take when you take acid, cold, fire, lightning, or thunder damage
...but when you take damage from shocking grasp, you can't cast reactions anymore:
 On a hit, the target takes 1d8 lightning damage, and it can't take reactions until the start of its next turn
This means that you never have the opportunity to cast absorb elements, as you correctly deduced.
This is different from shield because shield triggers when you are hit while absorb elements triggers when you take damage. You aren't reaction-blocked until after the hit, and shield can intercede in that hit.
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@CTWind yes, but you can't actually use absorb elements until you take the damage (so regardless, you are reaction blocked)
– David Coffron
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Note that the answer you linked specifically calls out Absorb Elements as an interrupting reaction, allowing you to cast it before Shocking Grasps effect happens.
– GreySage
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@GreySage it interrupts the damage taking (which is the trigger), not the hit (which causes the reaction-block)
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This is specific to this scenario, normal reaction accounts for a single effect or action and continues the same turn. But this reaction is triggered by the lightning damage, thus using his current reaction and negating next turns reaction.
- Creature A. casts Shocking Grasp
- Creature B. (primary effect)is hit and takes xd8 lightning damage
- Creature B. casts Absorb Elements as a reaction, triggered by lightning damage, (primary effect) reducing said lightning damage by half.
- Creature A. (secondary effect) activates and target can’t use reactions til end of his next turn.
- Creature B. (secondary effect) activates and an extra d6 damage effect with next melee Attack on next turn.
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No, you can cast Absorb Elements when (about to be) hit by Shocking Grasp
According to this answer (backed by Crawford), Absorb Elements applies to the triggering attack.
Q: Does Absorb Elements give you resistance to damage from the triggering attack?
A: Yes.
You cannot take damage, and then halve that damage (the damage is already taken and done with).
Therefore, Absorb Elements must be cast before taking damage from the attack, which is before the effect of Shocking Grasp prevents the reaction.
Normally reactions that interrupt an attack (between roll and the effects happening) specifically call out that they are interrupting (see Shield). In Absorb Elements case it doesn't, but the only way for the spell to work as intended is for it to work the same way. This problem probably stems from the fact that Absorb Elements was published in a campaign module not a regular rulebook. Such things tend to have a lower level of Quality Assurance applied to them.
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This doesn't necessarily mean that the reaction is taken before the damage. There are other effects which retroactively influence outcomes (like the shield spell or a bard's Cutting Words)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
You should quote Crawford directly instead of relying on another question’s answer. I might change it in the future, after all, if a future errata or Crawford statement changes the answer.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
@DavidCoffron Likewise, you can cast shield when hit by Shocking Grasp (see related)
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@SevenSidedDie Yes, I just added that in.
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It’s also worth considering that the other question, and Crawford’s tweet, are clarifying the normal effect of Absorb Elements. It may be a stretch to say Crawford was also ruling on unusual interactions that weren’t mentioned at the time.
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Correct, you cannot cast absorb elements in response to shocking grasp
Reactions happen after their triggers unless specified otherwise. The trigger for absorb elements is taking damage...
Reaction which you take when you take acid, cold, fire, lightning, or thunder damage
...but when you take damage from shocking grasp, you can't cast reactions anymore:
 On a hit, the target takes 1d8 lightning damage, and it can't take reactions until the start of its next turn
This means that you never have the opportunity to cast absorb elements, as you correctly deduced.
This is different from shield because shield triggers when you are hit while absorb elements triggers when you take damage. You aren't reaction-blocked until after the hit, and shield can intercede in that hit.
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@CTWind yes, but you can't actually use absorb elements until you take the damage (so regardless, you are reaction blocked)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
Note that the answer you linked specifically calls out Absorb Elements as an interrupting reaction, allowing you to cast it before Shocking Grasps effect happens.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@GreySage it interrupts the damage taking (which is the trigger), not the hit (which causes the reaction-block)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
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Correct, you cannot cast absorb elements in response to shocking grasp
Reactions happen after their triggers unless specified otherwise. The trigger for absorb elements is taking damage...
Reaction which you take when you take acid, cold, fire, lightning, or thunder damage
...but when you take damage from shocking grasp, you can't cast reactions anymore:
 On a hit, the target takes 1d8 lightning damage, and it can't take reactions until the start of its next turn
This means that you never have the opportunity to cast absorb elements, as you correctly deduced.
This is different from shield because shield triggers when you are hit while absorb elements triggers when you take damage. You aren't reaction-blocked until after the hit, and shield can intercede in that hit.
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@CTWind yes, but you can't actually use absorb elements until you take the damage (so regardless, you are reaction blocked)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
Note that the answer you linked specifically calls out Absorb Elements as an interrupting reaction, allowing you to cast it before Shocking Grasps effect happens.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@GreySage it interrupts the damage taking (which is the trigger), not the hit (which causes the reaction-block)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
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Correct, you cannot cast absorb elements in response to shocking grasp
Reactions happen after their triggers unless specified otherwise. The trigger for absorb elements is taking damage...
Reaction which you take when you take acid, cold, fire, lightning, or thunder damage
...but when you take damage from shocking grasp, you can't cast reactions anymore:
 On a hit, the target takes 1d8 lightning damage, and it can't take reactions until the start of its next turn
This means that you never have the opportunity to cast absorb elements, as you correctly deduced.
This is different from shield because shield triggers when you are hit while absorb elements triggers when you take damage. You aren't reaction-blocked until after the hit, and shield can intercede in that hit.
answered 1 hour ago
David Coffron
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Correct, you cannot cast absorb elements in response to shocking grasp
Reactions happen after their triggers unless specified otherwise. The trigger for absorb elements is taking damage...
Reaction which you take when you take acid, cold, fire, lightning, or thunder damage
...but when you take damage from shocking grasp, you can't cast reactions anymore:
 On a hit, the target takes 1d8 lightning damage, and it can't take reactions until the start of its next turn
This means that you never have the opportunity to cast absorb elements, as you correctly deduced.
This is different from shield because shield triggers when you are hit while absorb elements triggers when you take damage. You aren't reaction-blocked until after the hit, and shield can intercede in that hit.
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@CTWind yes, but you can't actually use absorb elements until you take the damage (so regardless, you are reaction blocked)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
Note that the answer you linked specifically calls out Absorb Elements as an interrupting reaction, allowing you to cast it before Shocking Grasps effect happens.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@GreySage it interrupts the damage taking (which is the trigger), not the hit (which causes the reaction-block)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
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@CTWind yes, but you can't actually use absorb elements until you take the damage (so regardless, you are reaction blocked)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
Note that the answer you linked specifically calls out Absorb Elements as an interrupting reaction, allowing you to cast it before Shocking Grasps effect happens.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@GreySage it interrupts the damage taking (which is the trigger), not the hit (which causes the reaction-block)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
@CTWind yes, but you can't actually use absorb elements until you take the damage (so regardless, you are reaction blocked)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
@CTWind yes, but you can't actually use absorb elements until you take the damage (so regardless, you are reaction blocked)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
Note that the answer you linked specifically calls out Absorb Elements as an interrupting reaction, allowing you to cast it before Shocking Grasps effect happens.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
Note that the answer you linked specifically calls out Absorb Elements as an interrupting reaction, allowing you to cast it before Shocking Grasps effect happens.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@GreySage it interrupts the damage taking (which is the trigger), not the hit (which causes the reaction-block)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
@GreySage it interrupts the damage taking (which is the trigger), not the hit (which causes the reaction-block)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
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Specific (spell block text) > General (core rule text)
“When you play the Game of Exception, you either treat spell effects equally or you dieâ€Â
This is specific to this scenario, normal reaction accounts for a single effect or action and continues the same turn. But this reaction is triggered by the lightning damage, thus using his current reaction and negating next turns reaction.
- Creature A. casts Shocking Grasp
- Creature B. (primary effect)is hit and takes xd8 lightning damage
- Creature B. casts Absorb Elements as a reaction, triggered by lightning damage, (primary effect) reducing said lightning damage by half.
- Creature A. (secondary effect) activates and target can’t use reactions til end of his next turn.
- Creature B. (secondary effect) activates and an extra d6 damage effect with next melee Attack on next turn.
answered 7 mins ago
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Specific (spell block text) > General (core rule text)
“When you play the Game of Exception, you either treat spell effects equally or you dieâ€Â
This is specific to this scenario, normal reaction accounts for a single effect or action and continues the same turn. But this reaction is triggered by the lightning damage, thus using his current reaction and negating next turns reaction.
- Creature A. casts Shocking Grasp
- Creature B. (primary effect)is hit and takes xd8 lightning damage
- Creature B. casts Absorb Elements as a reaction, triggered by lightning damage, (primary effect) reducing said lightning damage by half.
- Creature A. (secondary effect) activates and target can’t use reactions til end of his next turn.
- Creature B. (secondary effect) activates and an extra d6 damage effect with next melee Attack on next turn.
answered 7 mins ago
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up vote
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Specific (spell block text) > General (core rule text)
“When you play the Game of Exception, you either treat spell effects equally or you dieâ€Â
This is specific to this scenario, normal reaction accounts for a single effect or action and continues the same turn. But this reaction is triggered by the lightning damage, thus using his current reaction and negating next turns reaction.
- Creature A. casts Shocking Grasp
- Creature B. (primary effect)is hit and takes xd8 lightning damage
- Creature B. casts Absorb Elements as a reaction, triggered by lightning damage, (primary effect) reducing said lightning damage by half.
- Creature A. (secondary effect) activates and target can’t use reactions til end of his next turn.
- Creature B. (secondary effect) activates and an extra d6 damage effect with next melee Attack on next turn.
answered 7 mins ago
XAQT78
541111
Specific (spell block text) > General (core rule text)
“When you play the Game of Exception, you either treat spell effects equally or you dieâ€Â
This is specific to this scenario, normal reaction accounts for a single effect or action and continues the same turn. But this reaction is triggered by the lightning damage, thus using his current reaction and negating next turns reaction.
- Creature A. casts Shocking Grasp
- Creature B. (primary effect)is hit and takes xd8 lightning damage
- Creature B. casts Absorb Elements as a reaction, triggered by lightning damage, (primary effect) reducing said lightning damage by half.
- Creature A. (secondary effect) activates and target can’t use reactions til end of his next turn.
- Creature B. (secondary effect) activates and an extra d6 damage effect with next melee Attack on next turn.
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No, you can cast Absorb Elements when (about to be) hit by Shocking Grasp
According to this answer (backed by Crawford), Absorb Elements applies to the triggering attack.
Q: Does Absorb Elements give you resistance to damage from the triggering attack?
A: Yes.
You cannot take damage, and then halve that damage (the damage is already taken and done with).
Therefore, Absorb Elements must be cast before taking damage from the attack, which is before the effect of Shocking Grasp prevents the reaction.
Normally reactions that interrupt an attack (between roll and the effects happening) specifically call out that they are interrupting (see Shield). In Absorb Elements case it doesn't, but the only way for the spell to work as intended is for it to work the same way. This problem probably stems from the fact that Absorb Elements was published in a campaign module not a regular rulebook. Such things tend to have a lower level of Quality Assurance applied to them.
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This doesn't necessarily mean that the reaction is taken before the damage. There are other effects which retroactively influence outcomes (like the shield spell or a bard's Cutting Words)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
You should quote Crawford directly instead of relying on another question’s answer. I might change it in the future, after all, if a future errata or Crawford statement changes the answer.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
@DavidCoffron Likewise, you can cast shield when hit by Shocking Grasp (see related)
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@SevenSidedDie Yes, I just added that in.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
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It’s also worth considering that the other question, and Crawford’s tweet, are clarifying the normal effect of Absorb Elements. It may be a stretch to say Crawford was also ruling on unusual interactions that weren’t mentioned at the time.
– SevenSidedDie♦
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No, you can cast Absorb Elements when (about to be) hit by Shocking Grasp
According to this answer (backed by Crawford), Absorb Elements applies to the triggering attack.
Q: Does Absorb Elements give you resistance to damage from the triggering attack?
A: Yes.
You cannot take damage, and then halve that damage (the damage is already taken and done with).
Therefore, Absorb Elements must be cast before taking damage from the attack, which is before the effect of Shocking Grasp prevents the reaction.
Normally reactions that interrupt an attack (between roll and the effects happening) specifically call out that they are interrupting (see Shield). In Absorb Elements case it doesn't, but the only way for the spell to work as intended is for it to work the same way. This problem probably stems from the fact that Absorb Elements was published in a campaign module not a regular rulebook. Such things tend to have a lower level of Quality Assurance applied to them.
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This doesn't necessarily mean that the reaction is taken before the damage. There are other effects which retroactively influence outcomes (like the shield spell or a bard's Cutting Words)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
You should quote Crawford directly instead of relying on another question’s answer. I might change it in the future, after all, if a future errata or Crawford statement changes the answer.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
@DavidCoffron Likewise, you can cast shield when hit by Shocking Grasp (see related)
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@SevenSidedDie Yes, I just added that in.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
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It’s also worth considering that the other question, and Crawford’s tweet, are clarifying the normal effect of Absorb Elements. It may be a stretch to say Crawford was also ruling on unusual interactions that weren’t mentioned at the time.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
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No, you can cast Absorb Elements when (about to be) hit by Shocking Grasp
According to this answer (backed by Crawford), Absorb Elements applies to the triggering attack.
Q: Does Absorb Elements give you resistance to damage from the triggering attack?
A: Yes.
You cannot take damage, and then halve that damage (the damage is already taken and done with).
Therefore, Absorb Elements must be cast before taking damage from the attack, which is before the effect of Shocking Grasp prevents the reaction.
Normally reactions that interrupt an attack (between roll and the effects happening) specifically call out that they are interrupting (see Shield). In Absorb Elements case it doesn't, but the only way for the spell to work as intended is for it to work the same way. This problem probably stems from the fact that Absorb Elements was published in a campaign module not a regular rulebook. Such things tend to have a lower level of Quality Assurance applied to them.
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No, you can cast Absorb Elements when (about to be) hit by Shocking Grasp
According to this answer (backed by Crawford), Absorb Elements applies to the triggering attack.
Q: Does Absorb Elements give you resistance to damage from the triggering attack?
A: Yes.
You cannot take damage, and then halve that damage (the damage is already taken and done with).
Therefore, Absorb Elements must be cast before taking damage from the attack, which is before the effect of Shocking Grasp prevents the reaction.
Normally reactions that interrupt an attack (between roll and the effects happening) specifically call out that they are interrupting (see Shield). In Absorb Elements case it doesn't, but the only way for the spell to work as intended is for it to work the same way. This problem probably stems from the fact that Absorb Elements was published in a campaign module not a regular rulebook. Such things tend to have a lower level of Quality Assurance applied to them.
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This doesn't necessarily mean that the reaction is taken before the damage. There are other effects which retroactively influence outcomes (like the shield spell or a bard's Cutting Words)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
You should quote Crawford directly instead of relying on another question’s answer. I might change it in the future, after all, if a future errata or Crawford statement changes the answer.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
@DavidCoffron Likewise, you can cast shield when hit by Shocking Grasp (see related)
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@SevenSidedDie Yes, I just added that in.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
2
It’s also worth considering that the other question, and Crawford’s tweet, are clarifying the normal effect of Absorb Elements. It may be a stretch to say Crawford was also ruling on unusual interactions that weren’t mentioned at the time.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
 |Â
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This doesn't necessarily mean that the reaction is taken before the damage. There are other effects which retroactively influence outcomes (like the shield spell or a bard's Cutting Words)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
You should quote Crawford directly instead of relying on another question’s answer. I might change it in the future, after all, if a future errata or Crawford statement changes the answer.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
@DavidCoffron Likewise, you can cast shield when hit by Shocking Grasp (see related)
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@SevenSidedDie Yes, I just added that in.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
2
It’s also worth considering that the other question, and Crawford’s tweet, are clarifying the normal effect of Absorb Elements. It may be a stretch to say Crawford was also ruling on unusual interactions that weren’t mentioned at the time.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
1
1
This doesn't necessarily mean that the reaction is taken before the damage. There are other effects which retroactively influence outcomes (like the shield spell or a bard's Cutting Words)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
This doesn't necessarily mean that the reaction is taken before the damage. There are other effects which retroactively influence outcomes (like the shield spell or a bard's Cutting Words)
– David Coffron
1 hour ago
You should quote Crawford directly instead of relying on another question’s answer. I might change it in the future, after all, if a future errata or Crawford statement changes the answer.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
You should quote Crawford directly instead of relying on another question’s answer. I might change it in the future, after all, if a future errata or Crawford statement changes the answer.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
@DavidCoffron Likewise, you can cast shield when hit by Shocking Grasp (see related)
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@DavidCoffron Likewise, you can cast shield when hit by Shocking Grasp (see related)
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@SevenSidedDie Yes, I just added that in.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
@SevenSidedDie Yes, I just added that in.
– GreySage
1 hour ago
2
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It’s also worth considering that the other question, and Crawford’s tweet, are clarifying the normal effect of Absorb Elements. It may be a stretch to say Crawford was also ruling on unusual interactions that weren’t mentioned at the time.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
It’s also worth considering that the other question, and Crawford’s tweet, are clarifying the normal effect of Absorb Elements. It may be a stretch to say Crawford was also ruling on unusual interactions that weren’t mentioned at the time.
– SevenSidedDie♦
1 hour ago
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