One-off exorbitant long commute time makeup - Do I owe it 100% to my employer to sacrifice my personal time?
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Living in a region that experience winter, there are sometimes (infrequently) massive delays in the morning due to snowstorms (or even just a random crash). In particular, my commute time was tripled today (due to a crash) and so I showed up markedly late.
We are expected to be at work until a set time, so I have no reason to show up early since I can't leave early, so mitigating chances of being late by arriving early every day is not reasonable because it would be 100% my burden. We are also expected to be at work for a minimum time every day, so I would have to stay just as late as I arrived to not raise any (automated) red flags.
Therefore, when there is a very outlier commute time in the morning, is it ethically my responsibility to stay equally late as I arrived (when it doesn't significantly affect anything such as deadlines)?
Note also that we are (pseudo) salaried, and "getting my work done early" is not an acceptable excuse to leave early (and they automatically monitor time at work and enforce it). We are also disallowed from working remotely just because of weather.
So it appears that this issue reduces down to how much personal time is worth versus company time, and the economic elasticity of having that respected.
We know from market economics that tax burdens are distributed to both parties (e.g. if you levy a 10% sales tax on the merchant, they'll just charge 5% higher to customers so the tax burden is equally distributedI am failing to find a reference using Google, help please?). I see these two situations as very similar, therefore I should only be obligated to stay late to make up for half of the time I show up late (remember, arriving late today was abnormal).
So, when I approach my manager about this issue, is it reasonable to expect such a compromise?
Also, is there any difference if it were the case of having a scheduled commitment after work that would be prevented by staying late at work to make up time?
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Living in a region that experience winter, there are sometimes (infrequently) massive delays in the morning due to snowstorms (or even just a random crash). In particular, my commute time was tripled today (due to a crash) and so I showed up markedly late.
We are expected to be at work until a set time, so I have no reason to show up early since I can't leave early, so mitigating chances of being late by arriving early every day is not reasonable because it would be 100% my burden. We are also expected to be at work for a minimum time every day, so I would have to stay just as late as I arrived to not raise any (automated) red flags.
Therefore, when there is a very outlier commute time in the morning, is it ethically my responsibility to stay equally late as I arrived (when it doesn't significantly affect anything such as deadlines)?
Note also that we are (pseudo) salaried, and "getting my work done early" is not an acceptable excuse to leave early (and they automatically monitor time at work and enforce it). We are also disallowed from working remotely just because of weather.
So it appears that this issue reduces down to how much personal time is worth versus company time, and the economic elasticity of having that respected.
We know from market economics that tax burdens are distributed to both parties (e.g. if you levy a 10% sales tax on the merchant, they'll just charge 5% higher to customers so the tax burden is equally distributedI am failing to find a reference using Google, help please?). I see these two situations as very similar, therefore I should only be obligated to stay late to make up for half of the time I show up late (remember, arriving late today was abnormal).
So, when I approach my manager about this issue, is it reasonable to expect such a compromise?
Also, is there any difference if it were the case of having a scheduled commitment after work that would be prevented by staying late at work to make up time?
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I am failing to find a reference using Google, help please? - This is because the way it works is the Business collects all 10% sales tax from the consumer.
â IDrinkandIKnowThings
46 mins ago
What kind of job is it? Is it the sort where you have tasks to do, or the sort where you are some sort of contact from X AM to Y PM?
â David Thornley
43 mins ago
@IDrinkandIKnowThings It's because I'm not using the proper keywords. You're also assuming 100% price elasticity, which is almost never true.
â Elaskanator
33 mins ago
@DavidThornley It's (pseudo) salary, so having time requirements enforced is already weird.
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@Elaskanator - The keywords would be imaginary business policies.
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Living in a region that experience winter, there are sometimes (infrequently) massive delays in the morning due to snowstorms (or even just a random crash). In particular, my commute time was tripled today (due to a crash) and so I showed up markedly late.
We are expected to be at work until a set time, so I have no reason to show up early since I can't leave early, so mitigating chances of being late by arriving early every day is not reasonable because it would be 100% my burden. We are also expected to be at work for a minimum time every day, so I would have to stay just as late as I arrived to not raise any (automated) red flags.
Therefore, when there is a very outlier commute time in the morning, is it ethically my responsibility to stay equally late as I arrived (when it doesn't significantly affect anything such as deadlines)?
Note also that we are (pseudo) salaried, and "getting my work done early" is not an acceptable excuse to leave early (and they automatically monitor time at work and enforce it). We are also disallowed from working remotely just because of weather.
So it appears that this issue reduces down to how much personal time is worth versus company time, and the economic elasticity of having that respected.
We know from market economics that tax burdens are distributed to both parties (e.g. if you levy a 10% sales tax on the merchant, they'll just charge 5% higher to customers so the tax burden is equally distributedI am failing to find a reference using Google, help please?). I see these two situations as very similar, therefore I should only be obligated to stay late to make up for half of the time I show up late (remember, arriving late today was abnormal).
So, when I approach my manager about this issue, is it reasonable to expect such a compromise?
Also, is there any difference if it were the case of having a scheduled commitment after work that would be prevented by staying late at work to make up time?
professionalism ethics negotiation
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Living in a region that experience winter, there are sometimes (infrequently) massive delays in the morning due to snowstorms (or even just a random crash). In particular, my commute time was tripled today (due to a crash) and so I showed up markedly late.
We are expected to be at work until a set time, so I have no reason to show up early since I can't leave early, so mitigating chances of being late by arriving early every day is not reasonable because it would be 100% my burden. We are also expected to be at work for a minimum time every day, so I would have to stay just as late as I arrived to not raise any (automated) red flags.
Therefore, when there is a very outlier commute time in the morning, is it ethically my responsibility to stay equally late as I arrived (when it doesn't significantly affect anything such as deadlines)?
Note also that we are (pseudo) salaried, and "getting my work done early" is not an acceptable excuse to leave early (and they automatically monitor time at work and enforce it). We are also disallowed from working remotely just because of weather.
So it appears that this issue reduces down to how much personal time is worth versus company time, and the economic elasticity of having that respected.
We know from market economics that tax burdens are distributed to both parties (e.g. if you levy a 10% sales tax on the merchant, they'll just charge 5% higher to customers so the tax burden is equally distributedI am failing to find a reference using Google, help please?). I see these two situations as very similar, therefore I should only be obligated to stay late to make up for half of the time I show up late (remember, arriving late today was abnormal).
So, when I approach my manager about this issue, is it reasonable to expect such a compromise?
Also, is there any difference if it were the case of having a scheduled commitment after work that would be prevented by staying late at work to make up time?
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I am failing to find a reference using Google, help please? - This is because the way it works is the Business collects all 10% sales tax from the consumer.
â IDrinkandIKnowThings
46 mins ago
What kind of job is it? Is it the sort where you have tasks to do, or the sort where you are some sort of contact from X AM to Y PM?
â David Thornley
43 mins ago
@IDrinkandIKnowThings It's because I'm not using the proper keywords. You're also assuming 100% price elasticity, which is almost never true.
â Elaskanator
33 mins ago
@DavidThornley It's (pseudo) salary, so having time requirements enforced is already weird.
â Elaskanator
33 mins ago
@Elaskanator - The keywords would be imaginary business policies.
â IDrinkandIKnowThings
31 mins ago
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I am failing to find a reference using Google, help please? - This is because the way it works is the Business collects all 10% sales tax from the consumer.
â IDrinkandIKnowThings
46 mins ago
What kind of job is it? Is it the sort where you have tasks to do, or the sort where you are some sort of contact from X AM to Y PM?
â David Thornley
43 mins ago
@IDrinkandIKnowThings It's because I'm not using the proper keywords. You're also assuming 100% price elasticity, which is almost never true.
â Elaskanator
33 mins ago
@DavidThornley It's (pseudo) salary, so having time requirements enforced is already weird.
â Elaskanator
33 mins ago
@Elaskanator - The keywords would be imaginary business policies.
â IDrinkandIKnowThings
31 mins ago
1
1
I am failing to find a reference using Google, help please? - This is because the way it works is the Business collects all 10% sales tax from the consumer.
â IDrinkandIKnowThings
46 mins ago
I am failing to find a reference using Google, help please? - This is because the way it works is the Business collects all 10% sales tax from the consumer.
â IDrinkandIKnowThings
46 mins ago
What kind of job is it? Is it the sort where you have tasks to do, or the sort where you are some sort of contact from X AM to Y PM?
â David Thornley
43 mins ago
What kind of job is it? Is it the sort where you have tasks to do, or the sort where you are some sort of contact from X AM to Y PM?
â David Thornley
43 mins ago
@IDrinkandIKnowThings It's because I'm not using the proper keywords. You're also assuming 100% price elasticity, which is almost never true.
â Elaskanator
33 mins ago
@IDrinkandIKnowThings It's because I'm not using the proper keywords. You're also assuming 100% price elasticity, which is almost never true.
â Elaskanator
33 mins ago
@DavidThornley It's (pseudo) salary, so having time requirements enforced is already weird.
â Elaskanator
33 mins ago
@DavidThornley It's (pseudo) salary, so having time requirements enforced is already weird.
â Elaskanator
33 mins ago
@Elaskanator - The keywords would be imaginary business policies.
â IDrinkandIKnowThings
31 mins ago
@Elaskanator - The keywords would be imaginary business policies.
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It's not the employer's responsibility to make sure your commute isn't seriously delayed on any given day, or that you live somewhere with a predictable commute. Where you live, and the mechanics of getting to work, are your responsibility. If your employer expects a certain number of hours of work each day or each week, it's up to you to make sure that happens.
Therefore, if you're expected to make up the time, or account for it in some other way, you need to do something for the whole time, not just half of it. Your employer may be willing to accept rare lateness as one of those thing, but you don't say that's the case.
It would be reasonable to ask your manager whether you have to stay late that day or whether you could make up part or all of the time on another day. Sometimes the rules are more flexible than they're presented.
I did say it was a rare lateness ("sometimes").
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Generally, yes, you're expected to make up the time, even though it may not seem "fair" because it wasn't your fault that you were late. As the saying goes, "It's not fair, but no one said life is fair." OTOH, it's also not fair to your employer to pay employees for work not done.
If you are paid hourly, do you expect to be paid for 8 hours of work when you only work 7? If (like me) you're one of those quasi-hourly employees (supposedly paid an hourly rate, but expected to "work until the job is done", even though you only receive overtime pay in very rare circumstances), you'll still need to make up the time. Of course, there may be "comp time" (compensatory time) where you work extra on other days. Usually "comp time" is worked in advance; however, many employers allow you to make up missed time like this later - especially as long as it is in the same pay period).
If you're salaried (i.e. you receive the same pay regardless of the number of hours worked), then you may be able to leave early without making it up.
As for approaching your manager: I'd recommend against it, unless you are:
- Asking about making up the time on a different schedule. For example, "Hey boss, I know I was 2 hours late today due to the snow. Unfortunately, I really need to get home soon, even though I've worked only 7 hours today. Is it okay if I make up 30 minutes each day over the next couple days?"
or
- (If you're salaried) Asking if they mind if you leave early (most especially if you have some sort of other engagement).
Otherwise, you are likely to look to the manager like you are trying to slack off and get paid for it.
In this era of working from home, you might ask if that's another possibility for making up the time or even if you could do so on days when the weather makes your commute problematic.
They explicitly say in the employee handbook that we cannot use adverse weather as a reason to work remotely, and we are pseudo-salaried and prohibited from leaving early just because we got our work ahead of schedule. Therefore I feel my issue really boils down to arguing for the market elasticity between the employee's time and the employer's expectation of their time.
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It's not the employer's responsibility to make sure your commute isn't seriously delayed on any given day, or that you live somewhere with a predictable commute. Where you live, and the mechanics of getting to work, are your responsibility. If your employer expects a certain number of hours of work each day or each week, it's up to you to make sure that happens.
Therefore, if you're expected to make up the time, or account for it in some other way, you need to do something for the whole time, not just half of it. Your employer may be willing to accept rare lateness as one of those thing, but you don't say that's the case.
It would be reasonable to ask your manager whether you have to stay late that day or whether you could make up part or all of the time on another day. Sometimes the rules are more flexible than they're presented.
I did say it was a rare lateness ("sometimes").
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It's not the employer's responsibility to make sure your commute isn't seriously delayed on any given day, or that you live somewhere with a predictable commute. Where you live, and the mechanics of getting to work, are your responsibility. If your employer expects a certain number of hours of work each day or each week, it's up to you to make sure that happens.
Therefore, if you're expected to make up the time, or account for it in some other way, you need to do something for the whole time, not just half of it. Your employer may be willing to accept rare lateness as one of those thing, but you don't say that's the case.
It would be reasonable to ask your manager whether you have to stay late that day or whether you could make up part or all of the time on another day. Sometimes the rules are more flexible than they're presented.
I did say it was a rare lateness ("sometimes").
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It's not the employer's responsibility to make sure your commute isn't seriously delayed on any given day, or that you live somewhere with a predictable commute. Where you live, and the mechanics of getting to work, are your responsibility. If your employer expects a certain number of hours of work each day or each week, it's up to you to make sure that happens.
Therefore, if you're expected to make up the time, or account for it in some other way, you need to do something for the whole time, not just half of it. Your employer may be willing to accept rare lateness as one of those thing, but you don't say that's the case.
It would be reasonable to ask your manager whether you have to stay late that day or whether you could make up part or all of the time on another day. Sometimes the rules are more flexible than they're presented.
It's not the employer's responsibility to make sure your commute isn't seriously delayed on any given day, or that you live somewhere with a predictable commute. Where you live, and the mechanics of getting to work, are your responsibility. If your employer expects a certain number of hours of work each day or each week, it's up to you to make sure that happens.
Therefore, if you're expected to make up the time, or account for it in some other way, you need to do something for the whole time, not just half of it. Your employer may be willing to accept rare lateness as one of those thing, but you don't say that's the case.
It would be reasonable to ask your manager whether you have to stay late that day or whether you could make up part or all of the time on another day. Sometimes the rules are more flexible than they're presented.
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I did say it was a rare lateness ("sometimes").
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I did say it was a rare lateness ("sometimes").
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I did say it was a rare lateness ("sometimes").
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I did say it was a rare lateness ("sometimes").
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Generally, yes, you're expected to make up the time, even though it may not seem "fair" because it wasn't your fault that you were late. As the saying goes, "It's not fair, but no one said life is fair." OTOH, it's also not fair to your employer to pay employees for work not done.
If you are paid hourly, do you expect to be paid for 8 hours of work when you only work 7? If (like me) you're one of those quasi-hourly employees (supposedly paid an hourly rate, but expected to "work until the job is done", even though you only receive overtime pay in very rare circumstances), you'll still need to make up the time. Of course, there may be "comp time" (compensatory time) where you work extra on other days. Usually "comp time" is worked in advance; however, many employers allow you to make up missed time like this later - especially as long as it is in the same pay period).
If you're salaried (i.e. you receive the same pay regardless of the number of hours worked), then you may be able to leave early without making it up.
As for approaching your manager: I'd recommend against it, unless you are:
- Asking about making up the time on a different schedule. For example, "Hey boss, I know I was 2 hours late today due to the snow. Unfortunately, I really need to get home soon, even though I've worked only 7 hours today. Is it okay if I make up 30 minutes each day over the next couple days?"
or
- (If you're salaried) Asking if they mind if you leave early (most especially if you have some sort of other engagement).
Otherwise, you are likely to look to the manager like you are trying to slack off and get paid for it.
In this era of working from home, you might ask if that's another possibility for making up the time or even if you could do so on days when the weather makes your commute problematic.
They explicitly say in the employee handbook that we cannot use adverse weather as a reason to work remotely, and we are pseudo-salaried and prohibited from leaving early just because we got our work ahead of schedule. Therefore I feel my issue really boils down to arguing for the market elasticity between the employee's time and the employer's expectation of their time.
â Elaskanator
16 mins ago
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up vote
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Generally, yes, you're expected to make up the time, even though it may not seem "fair" because it wasn't your fault that you were late. As the saying goes, "It's not fair, but no one said life is fair." OTOH, it's also not fair to your employer to pay employees for work not done.
If you are paid hourly, do you expect to be paid for 8 hours of work when you only work 7? If (like me) you're one of those quasi-hourly employees (supposedly paid an hourly rate, but expected to "work until the job is done", even though you only receive overtime pay in very rare circumstances), you'll still need to make up the time. Of course, there may be "comp time" (compensatory time) where you work extra on other days. Usually "comp time" is worked in advance; however, many employers allow you to make up missed time like this later - especially as long as it is in the same pay period).
If you're salaried (i.e. you receive the same pay regardless of the number of hours worked), then you may be able to leave early without making it up.
As for approaching your manager: I'd recommend against it, unless you are:
- Asking about making up the time on a different schedule. For example, "Hey boss, I know I was 2 hours late today due to the snow. Unfortunately, I really need to get home soon, even though I've worked only 7 hours today. Is it okay if I make up 30 minutes each day over the next couple days?"
or
- (If you're salaried) Asking if they mind if you leave early (most especially if you have some sort of other engagement).
Otherwise, you are likely to look to the manager like you are trying to slack off and get paid for it.
In this era of working from home, you might ask if that's another possibility for making up the time or even if you could do so on days when the weather makes your commute problematic.
They explicitly say in the employee handbook that we cannot use adverse weather as a reason to work remotely, and we are pseudo-salaried and prohibited from leaving early just because we got our work ahead of schedule. Therefore I feel my issue really boils down to arguing for the market elasticity between the employee's time and the employer's expectation of their time.
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Generally, yes, you're expected to make up the time, even though it may not seem "fair" because it wasn't your fault that you were late. As the saying goes, "It's not fair, but no one said life is fair." OTOH, it's also not fair to your employer to pay employees for work not done.
If you are paid hourly, do you expect to be paid for 8 hours of work when you only work 7? If (like me) you're one of those quasi-hourly employees (supposedly paid an hourly rate, but expected to "work until the job is done", even though you only receive overtime pay in very rare circumstances), you'll still need to make up the time. Of course, there may be "comp time" (compensatory time) where you work extra on other days. Usually "comp time" is worked in advance; however, many employers allow you to make up missed time like this later - especially as long as it is in the same pay period).
If you're salaried (i.e. you receive the same pay regardless of the number of hours worked), then you may be able to leave early without making it up.
As for approaching your manager: I'd recommend against it, unless you are:
- Asking about making up the time on a different schedule. For example, "Hey boss, I know I was 2 hours late today due to the snow. Unfortunately, I really need to get home soon, even though I've worked only 7 hours today. Is it okay if I make up 30 minutes each day over the next couple days?"
or
- (If you're salaried) Asking if they mind if you leave early (most especially if you have some sort of other engagement).
Otherwise, you are likely to look to the manager like you are trying to slack off and get paid for it.
In this era of working from home, you might ask if that's another possibility for making up the time or even if you could do so on days when the weather makes your commute problematic.
Generally, yes, you're expected to make up the time, even though it may not seem "fair" because it wasn't your fault that you were late. As the saying goes, "It's not fair, but no one said life is fair." OTOH, it's also not fair to your employer to pay employees for work not done.
If you are paid hourly, do you expect to be paid for 8 hours of work when you only work 7? If (like me) you're one of those quasi-hourly employees (supposedly paid an hourly rate, but expected to "work until the job is done", even though you only receive overtime pay in very rare circumstances), you'll still need to make up the time. Of course, there may be "comp time" (compensatory time) where you work extra on other days. Usually "comp time" is worked in advance; however, many employers allow you to make up missed time like this later - especially as long as it is in the same pay period).
If you're salaried (i.e. you receive the same pay regardless of the number of hours worked), then you may be able to leave early without making it up.
As for approaching your manager: I'd recommend against it, unless you are:
- Asking about making up the time on a different schedule. For example, "Hey boss, I know I was 2 hours late today due to the snow. Unfortunately, I really need to get home soon, even though I've worked only 7 hours today. Is it okay if I make up 30 minutes each day over the next couple days?"
or
- (If you're salaried) Asking if they mind if you leave early (most especially if you have some sort of other engagement).
Otherwise, you are likely to look to the manager like you are trying to slack off and get paid for it.
In this era of working from home, you might ask if that's another possibility for making up the time or even if you could do so on days when the weather makes your commute problematic.
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They explicitly say in the employee handbook that we cannot use adverse weather as a reason to work remotely, and we are pseudo-salaried and prohibited from leaving early just because we got our work ahead of schedule. Therefore I feel my issue really boils down to arguing for the market elasticity between the employee's time and the employer's expectation of their time.
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They explicitly say in the employee handbook that we cannot use adverse weather as a reason to work remotely, and we are pseudo-salaried and prohibited from leaving early just because we got our work ahead of schedule. Therefore I feel my issue really boils down to arguing for the market elasticity between the employee's time and the employer's expectation of their time.
â Elaskanator
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They explicitly say in the employee handbook that we cannot use adverse weather as a reason to work remotely, and we are pseudo-salaried and prohibited from leaving early just because we got our work ahead of schedule. Therefore I feel my issue really boils down to arguing for the market elasticity between the employee's time and the employer's expectation of their time.
â Elaskanator
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They explicitly say in the employee handbook that we cannot use adverse weather as a reason to work remotely, and we are pseudo-salaried and prohibited from leaving early just because we got our work ahead of schedule. Therefore I feel my issue really boils down to arguing for the market elasticity between the employee's time and the employer's expectation of their time.
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I am failing to find a reference using Google, help please? - This is because the way it works is the Business collects all 10% sales tax from the consumer.
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What kind of job is it? Is it the sort where you have tasks to do, or the sort where you are some sort of contact from X AM to Y PM?
â David Thornley
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@IDrinkandIKnowThings It's because I'm not using the proper keywords. You're also assuming 100% price elasticity, which is almost never true.
â Elaskanator
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@DavidThornley It's (pseudo) salary, so having time requirements enforced is already weird.
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@Elaskanator - The keywords would be imaginary business policies.
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