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Does hitting a creature with a magical creature count as magical damage?
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Half-Orc Barbarian Conan has been Enlarged, making him Large. During a fight against some Couatls, he managed to grapple one and beat it to death.
Now, having something (the body of the dead Couatl) already in his hands and being a tad affected by his current rage, Conan decides to strike a second Couatl with the first one. Laughs all around the table as the DM rules that he can indeed wield the corpse as an improvised weapon (bludgeoning), given the situation.
A Couatl is immune to non-magical bludgeoning, among other things. But given the fact that the first Couatl is a magical creature and has the Magic Weapons feature, does the damage count as magical damage?
Magic Weapons: The couatl's weapon attacks are magical.
If yes, would any "magical creatures" work for this purpose or only ones with the Magic Weapons feature?
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Half-Orc Barbarian Conan has been Enlarged, making him Large. During a fight against some Couatls, he managed to grapple one and beat it to death.
Now, having something (the body of the dead Couatl) already in his hands and being a tad affected by his current rage, Conan decides to strike a second Couatl with the first one. Laughs all around the table as the DM rules that he can indeed wield the corpse as an improvised weapon (bludgeoning), given the situation.
A Couatl is immune to non-magical bludgeoning, among other things. But given the fact that the first Couatl is a magical creature and has the Magic Weapons feature, does the damage count as magical damage?
Magic Weapons: The couatl's weapon attacks are magical.
If yes, would any "magical creatures" work for this purpose or only ones with the Magic Weapons feature?
dnd-5e monsters magic
edited 10 mins ago
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Out of curiousity, what did "Conan" use to kill the first couatl?
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
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@Slagmoth: he used "Gollum", the goblin rogue who has a Dagger +1.
– Alex Millette
2 hours ago
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Half-Orc Barbarian Conan has been Enlarged, making him Large. During a fight against some Couatls, he managed to grapple one and beat it to death.
Now, having something (the body of the dead Couatl) already in his hands and being a tad affected by his current rage, Conan decides to strike a second Couatl with the first one. Laughs all around the table as the DM rules that he can indeed wield the corpse as an improvised weapon (bludgeoning), given the situation.
A Couatl is immune to non-magical bludgeoning, among other things. But given the fact that the first Couatl is a magical creature and has the Magic Weapons feature, does the damage count as magical damage?
Magic Weapons: The couatl's weapon attacks are magical.
If yes, would any "magical creatures" work for this purpose or only ones with the Magic Weapons feature?
dnd-5e monsters magic
edited 10 mins ago
NathanS
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Alex Millette
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Half-Orc Barbarian Conan has been Enlarged, making him Large. During a fight against some Couatls, he managed to grapple one and beat it to death.
Now, having something (the body of the dead Couatl) already in his hands and being a tad affected by his current rage, Conan decides to strike a second Couatl with the first one. Laughs all around the table as the DM rules that he can indeed wield the corpse as an improvised weapon (bludgeoning), given the situation.
A Couatl is immune to non-magical bludgeoning, among other things. But given the fact that the first Couatl is a magical creature and has the Magic Weapons feature, does the damage count as magical damage?
Magic Weapons: The couatl's weapon attacks are magical.
If yes, would any "magical creatures" work for this purpose or only ones with the Magic Weapons feature?
dnd-5e monsters magic
dnd-5e monsters magic
edited 10 mins ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
asked 3 hours ago
Alex Millette
1,901928
edited 10 mins ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
asked 3 hours ago
Alex Millette
1,901928
edited 10 mins ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
edited 10 mins ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
edited 10 mins ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
18.7k679198
asked 3 hours ago
Alex Millette
1,901928
asked 3 hours ago
Alex Millette
1,901928
asked 3 hours ago
Alex Millette
1,901928
1,901928
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Out of curiousity, what did "Conan" use to kill the first couatl?
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
1
@Slagmoth: he used "Gollum", the goblin rogue who has a Dagger +1.
– Alex Millette
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
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Out of curiousity, what did "Conan" use to kill the first couatl?
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
1
@Slagmoth: he used "Gollum", the goblin rogue who has a Dagger +1.
– Alex Millette
2 hours ago
2
2
Out of curiousity, what did "Conan" use to kill the first couatl?
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
Out of curiousity, what did "Conan" use to kill the first couatl?
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
1
1
@Slagmoth: he used "Gollum", the goblin rogue who has a Dagger +1.
– Alex Millette
2 hours ago
@Slagmoth: he used "Gollum", the goblin rogue who has a Dagger +1.
– Alex Millette
2 hours ago
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Sadly, this wouldn't work RAW
Taking your quote (from the Couatl stat block; MM, pg. 43):
Magic Weapons: The couatl's weapon attacks are magical.
It only says that the weapon attacks made by the couatl are magical, so this wouldn't transfer over to the barbarian using the body of one as an improvised weapon, since the couatl is not the one making the attack.
As for "any magical creature", this isn't really a game term, so it would be difficult to determine how that would work, although given that I've concluded that the above (i.e. with Magic Weapons) wouldn't work RAW, this probably doesn't matter.
That said, any DM can rule otherwise, and if your DM ruled that this would work, that's fine. I don't think it would unbalance anything or cause any real problems.
As a DM, I'd certainly rule that this works, if only for Rules as Fun, although if the barbarian didn't have a magic weapon (hypothetically), using this as his new magic weapon I probably wouldn't allow (I'd say something like how the magical nature of the couatl is an innate property that is lost shortly after it dies or something).
answered 2 hours ago
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+1 for a common sense ruling. RAW is sometimes a spoilsport.
– SeriousBri
2 hours ago
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As for the dissapating effect, could rule that the couatl is unconscious and everytime he was used as a club he failed his/her death save. Once he actually died he is just a normal corpse and ineffectual against his/her comrades.
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
@Slagmoth That would work!
– NathanS
2 hours ago
@SeriousBri if it helps consider an Couatl may only be producing a magical effect on its talons as opposed to something like an elemental which is basically made of magic.
– John
1 hour ago
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+1 for providing both RAW and practical way to make this fun for players and not unbalanced.
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Sadly, this wouldn't work RAW
Taking your quote (from the Couatl stat block; MM, pg. 43):
Magic Weapons: The couatl's weapon attacks are magical.
It only says that the weapon attacks made by the couatl are magical, so this wouldn't transfer over to the barbarian using the body of one as an improvised weapon, since the couatl is not the one making the attack.
As for "any magical creature", this isn't really a game term, so it would be difficult to determine how that would work, although given that I've concluded that the above (i.e. with Magic Weapons) wouldn't work RAW, this probably doesn't matter.
That said, any DM can rule otherwise, and if your DM ruled that this would work, that's fine. I don't think it would unbalance anything or cause any real problems.
As a DM, I'd certainly rule that this works, if only for Rules as Fun, although if the barbarian didn't have a magic weapon (hypothetically), using this as his new magic weapon I probably wouldn't allow (I'd say something like how the magical nature of the couatl is an innate property that is lost shortly after it dies or something).
answered 2 hours ago
NathanS
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+1 for a common sense ruling. RAW is sometimes a spoilsport.
– SeriousBri
2 hours ago
5
As for the dissapating effect, could rule that the couatl is unconscious and everytime he was used as a club he failed his/her death save. Once he actually died he is just a normal corpse and ineffectual against his/her comrades.
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
@Slagmoth That would work!
– NathanS
2 hours ago
@SeriousBri if it helps consider an Couatl may only be producing a magical effect on its talons as opposed to something like an elemental which is basically made of magic.
– John
1 hour ago
3
+1 for providing both RAW and practical way to make this fun for players and not unbalanced.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
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up vote
26
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Sadly, this wouldn't work RAW
Taking your quote (from the Couatl stat block; MM, pg. 43):
Magic Weapons: The couatl's weapon attacks are magical.
It only says that the weapon attacks made by the couatl are magical, so this wouldn't transfer over to the barbarian using the body of one as an improvised weapon, since the couatl is not the one making the attack.
As for "any magical creature", this isn't really a game term, so it would be difficult to determine how that would work, although given that I've concluded that the above (i.e. with Magic Weapons) wouldn't work RAW, this probably doesn't matter.
That said, any DM can rule otherwise, and if your DM ruled that this would work, that's fine. I don't think it would unbalance anything or cause any real problems.
As a DM, I'd certainly rule that this works, if only for Rules as Fun, although if the barbarian didn't have a magic weapon (hypothetically), using this as his new magic weapon I probably wouldn't allow (I'd say something like how the magical nature of the couatl is an innate property that is lost shortly after it dies or something).
answered 2 hours ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
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+1 for a common sense ruling. RAW is sometimes a spoilsport.
– SeriousBri
2 hours ago
5
As for the dissapating effect, could rule that the couatl is unconscious and everytime he was used as a club he failed his/her death save. Once he actually died he is just a normal corpse and ineffectual against his/her comrades.
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
@Slagmoth That would work!
– NathanS
2 hours ago
@SeriousBri if it helps consider an Couatl may only be producing a magical effect on its talons as opposed to something like an elemental which is basically made of magic.
– John
1 hour ago
3
+1 for providing both RAW and practical way to make this fun for players and not unbalanced.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
26
down vote
up vote
26
down vote
Sadly, this wouldn't work RAW
Taking your quote (from the Couatl stat block; MM, pg. 43):
Magic Weapons: The couatl's weapon attacks are magical.
It only says that the weapon attacks made by the couatl are magical, so this wouldn't transfer over to the barbarian using the body of one as an improvised weapon, since the couatl is not the one making the attack.
As for "any magical creature", this isn't really a game term, so it would be difficult to determine how that would work, although given that I've concluded that the above (i.e. with Magic Weapons) wouldn't work RAW, this probably doesn't matter.
That said, any DM can rule otherwise, and if your DM ruled that this would work, that's fine. I don't think it would unbalance anything or cause any real problems.
As a DM, I'd certainly rule that this works, if only for Rules as Fun, although if the barbarian didn't have a magic weapon (hypothetically), using this as his new magic weapon I probably wouldn't allow (I'd say something like how the magical nature of the couatl is an innate property that is lost shortly after it dies or something).
answered 2 hours ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
Sadly, this wouldn't work RAW
Taking your quote (from the Couatl stat block; MM, pg. 43):
Magic Weapons: The couatl's weapon attacks are magical.
It only says that the weapon attacks made by the couatl are magical, so this wouldn't transfer over to the barbarian using the body of one as an improvised weapon, since the couatl is not the one making the attack.
As for "any magical creature", this isn't really a game term, so it would be difficult to determine how that would work, although given that I've concluded that the above (i.e. with Magic Weapons) wouldn't work RAW, this probably doesn't matter.
That said, any DM can rule otherwise, and if your DM ruled that this would work, that's fine. I don't think it would unbalance anything or cause any real problems.
As a DM, I'd certainly rule that this works, if only for Rules as Fun, although if the barbarian didn't have a magic weapon (hypothetically), using this as his new magic weapon I probably wouldn't allow (I'd say something like how the magical nature of the couatl is an innate property that is lost shortly after it dies or something).
answered 2 hours ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
edited 2 hours ago
answered 2 hours ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
answered 2 hours ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
answered 2 hours ago
NathanS
18.7k679198
18.7k679198
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+1 for a common sense ruling. RAW is sometimes a spoilsport.
– SeriousBri
2 hours ago
5
As for the dissapating effect, could rule that the couatl is unconscious and everytime he was used as a club he failed his/her death save. Once he actually died he is just a normal corpse and ineffectual against his/her comrades.
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
@Slagmoth That would work!
– NathanS
2 hours ago
@SeriousBri if it helps consider an Couatl may only be producing a magical effect on its talons as opposed to something like an elemental which is basically made of magic.
– John
1 hour ago
3
+1 for providing both RAW and practical way to make this fun for players and not unbalanced.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
10
+1 for a common sense ruling. RAW is sometimes a spoilsport.
– SeriousBri
2 hours ago
5
As for the dissapating effect, could rule that the couatl is unconscious and everytime he was used as a club he failed his/her death save. Once he actually died he is just a normal corpse and ineffectual against his/her comrades.
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
@Slagmoth That would work!
– NathanS
2 hours ago
@SeriousBri if it helps consider an Couatl may only be producing a magical effect on its talons as opposed to something like an elemental which is basically made of magic.
– John
1 hour ago
3
+1 for providing both RAW and practical way to make this fun for players and not unbalanced.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
10
10
+1 for a common sense ruling. RAW is sometimes a spoilsport.
– SeriousBri
2 hours ago
+1 for a common sense ruling. RAW is sometimes a spoilsport.
– SeriousBri
2 hours ago
5
5
As for the dissapating effect, could rule that the couatl is unconscious and everytime he was used as a club he failed his/her death save. Once he actually died he is just a normal corpse and ineffectual against his/her comrades.
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
As for the dissapating effect, could rule that the couatl is unconscious and everytime he was used as a club he failed his/her death save. Once he actually died he is just a normal corpse and ineffectual against his/her comrades.
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
@Slagmoth That would work!
– NathanS
2 hours ago
@Slagmoth That would work!
– NathanS
2 hours ago
@SeriousBri if it helps consider an Couatl may only be producing a magical effect on its talons as opposed to something like an elemental which is basically made of magic.
– John
1 hour ago
@SeriousBri if it helps consider an Couatl may only be producing a magical effect on its talons as opposed to something like an elemental which is basically made of magic.
– John
1 hour ago
3
3
+1 for providing both RAW and practical way to make this fun for players and not unbalanced.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
+1 for providing both RAW and practical way to make this fun for players and not unbalanced.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
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Out of curiousity, what did "Conan" use to kill the first couatl?
– Slagmoth
2 hours ago
1
@Slagmoth: he used "Gollum", the goblin rogue who has a Dagger +1.
– Alex Millette
2 hours ago