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A typical Spanish dessert is the quince jelly (Spanish: carne/dulce de membrillo), which is also known as codoñate in areas of Catalan influence. Now, the Spanish word for quince is membrillo, which comes from Latin melimēlum 'honey apple'. But Catalan codonyat comes from the Catalan word for quince: codony, and this one comes from Latin cotoneum, cotonei 'quince'.
So it seems that the proper word for quince in Latin was cotoneum but I was wondering how is that the Spanish word membrillo comes from apparently a different fruit. So:
- Is it possible that the Latin words melimelum and cotoneum meant the same thing in Classical Latin? Or maybe the word melimelum came to mean quince in Late or Medieval Latin?
- Was cotoneum indeed the most used word for quince?
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A typical Spanish dessert is the quince jelly (Spanish: carne/dulce de membrillo), which is also known as codoñate in areas of Catalan influence. Now, the Spanish word for quince is membrillo, which comes from Latin melimēlum 'honey apple'. But Catalan codonyat comes from the Catalan word for quince: codony, and this one comes from Latin cotoneum, cotonei 'quince'.
So it seems that the proper word for quince in Latin was cotoneum but I was wondering how is that the Spanish word membrillo comes from apparently a different fruit. So:
- Is it possible that the Latin words melimelum and cotoneum meant the same thing in Classical Latin? Or maybe the word melimelum came to mean quince in Late or Medieval Latin?
- Was cotoneum indeed the most used word for quince?
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Fun etymological fact: English "marmalade" comes (through Portuguese marmelo) from melimelum.
– brianpck
3 hours ago
Fun non-etymological fact: I had a hard time writing this question because in Spanish "quince" means "fifteen" and somehow my brain rejected the idea that the same word meant something completely different in English. :)
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A typical Spanish dessert is the quince jelly (Spanish: carne/dulce de membrillo), which is also known as codoñate in areas of Catalan influence. Now, the Spanish word for quince is membrillo, which comes from Latin melimēlum 'honey apple'. But Catalan codonyat comes from the Catalan word for quince: codony, and this one comes from Latin cotoneum, cotonei 'quince'.
So it seems that the proper word for quince in Latin was cotoneum but I was wondering how is that the Spanish word membrillo comes from apparently a different fruit. So:
- Is it possible that the Latin words melimelum and cotoneum meant the same thing in Classical Latin? Or maybe the word melimelum came to mean quince in Late or Medieval Latin?
- Was cotoneum indeed the most used word for quince?
classical-latin late-latin spanish
asked 4 hours ago
Charlie
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A typical Spanish dessert is the quince jelly (Spanish: carne/dulce de membrillo), which is also known as codoñate in areas of Catalan influence. Now, the Spanish word for quince is membrillo, which comes from Latin melimēlum 'honey apple'. But Catalan codonyat comes from the Catalan word for quince: codony, and this one comes from Latin cotoneum, cotonei 'quince'.
So it seems that the proper word for quince in Latin was cotoneum but I was wondering how is that the Spanish word membrillo comes from apparently a different fruit. So:
- Is it possible that the Latin words melimelum and cotoneum meant the same thing in Classical Latin? Or maybe the word melimelum came to mean quince in Late or Medieval Latin?
- Was cotoneum indeed the most used word for quince?
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Fun etymological fact: English "marmalade" comes (through Portuguese marmelo) from melimelum.
– brianpck
3 hours ago
Fun non-etymological fact: I had a hard time writing this question because in Spanish "quince" means "fifteen" and somehow my brain rejected the idea that the same word meant something completely different in English. :)
– Charlie
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Fun etymological fact: English "marmalade" comes (through Portuguese marmelo) from melimelum.
– brianpck
3 hours ago
Fun non-etymological fact: I had a hard time writing this question because in Spanish "quince" means "fifteen" and somehow my brain rejected the idea that the same word meant something completely different in English. :)
– Charlie
3 hours ago
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Fun etymological fact: English "marmalade" comes (through Portuguese marmelo) from melimelum.
– brianpck
3 hours ago
Fun etymological fact: English "marmalade" comes (through Portuguese marmelo) from melimelum.
– brianpck
3 hours ago
Fun non-etymological fact: I had a hard time writing this question because in Spanish "quince" means "fifteen" and somehow my brain rejected the idea that the same word meant something completely different in English. :)
– Charlie
3 hours ago
Fun non-etymological fact: I had a hard time writing this question because in Spanish "quince" means "fifteen" and somehow my brain rejected the idea that the same word meant something completely different in English. :)
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This is from Plin. Nat. Hist. Book 15, ix, 37 —
his proxima amplitudine mala quae vocamus cotonea et Graece cydonea, e Creta insula advecta. incurvatos trahunt ramos prohibentque crescere parentem. plura eorum genera: chrysomela incisuris distincta, colore ad aurum inclinato, qui candidior nostratia cognominat, odoris praestantissimi
— which, answering the second part of your question, seems to remove any doubt about cotoneum being the proper word for a quince.
However, I can't find melimelum anywhere, either directly through a search of the relevant books in Pliny's Natural History or Packhum, and I wonder where the word occurs?
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This is from Plin. Nat. Hist. Book 15, ix, 37 —
his proxima amplitudine mala quae vocamus cotonea et Graece cydonea, e Creta insula advecta. incurvatos trahunt ramos prohibentque crescere parentem. plura eorum genera: chrysomela incisuris distincta, colore ad aurum inclinato, qui candidior nostratia cognominat, odoris praestantissimi
— which, answering the second part of your question, seems to remove any doubt about cotoneum being the proper word for a quince.
However, I can't find melimelum anywhere, either directly through a search of the relevant books in Pliny's Natural History or Packhum, and I wonder where the word occurs?
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This is from Plin. Nat. Hist. Book 15, ix, 37 —
his proxima amplitudine mala quae vocamus cotonea et Graece cydonea, e Creta insula advecta. incurvatos trahunt ramos prohibentque crescere parentem. plura eorum genera: chrysomela incisuris distincta, colore ad aurum inclinato, qui candidior nostratia cognominat, odoris praestantissimi
— which, answering the second part of your question, seems to remove any doubt about cotoneum being the proper word for a quince.
However, I can't find melimelum anywhere, either directly through a search of the relevant books in Pliny's Natural History or Packhum, and I wonder where the word occurs?
answered 1 hour ago
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This is from Plin. Nat. Hist. Book 15, ix, 37 —
his proxima amplitudine mala quae vocamus cotonea et Graece cydonea, e Creta insula advecta. incurvatos trahunt ramos prohibentque crescere parentem. plura eorum genera: chrysomela incisuris distincta, colore ad aurum inclinato, qui candidior nostratia cognominat, odoris praestantissimi
— which, answering the second part of your question, seems to remove any doubt about cotoneum being the proper word for a quince.
However, I can't find melimelum anywhere, either directly through a search of the relevant books in Pliny's Natural History or Packhum, and I wonder where the word occurs?
answered 1 hour ago
Tom Cotton
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This is from Plin. Nat. Hist. Book 15, ix, 37 —
his proxima amplitudine mala quae vocamus cotonea et Graece cydonea, e Creta insula advecta. incurvatos trahunt ramos prohibentque crescere parentem. plura eorum genera: chrysomela incisuris distincta, colore ad aurum inclinato, qui candidior nostratia cognominat, odoris praestantissimi
— which, answering the second part of your question, seems to remove any doubt about cotoneum being the proper word for a quince.
However, I can't find melimelum anywhere, either directly through a search of the relevant books in Pliny's Natural History or Packhum, and I wonder where the word occurs?
answered 1 hour ago
Tom Cotton
12.9k11041
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Tom Cotton
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Fun etymological fact: English "marmalade" comes (through Portuguese marmelo) from melimelum.
– brianpck
3 hours ago
Fun non-etymological fact: I had a hard time writing this question because in Spanish "quince" means "fifteen" and somehow my brain rejected the idea that the same word meant something completely different in English. :)
– Charlie
3 hours ago