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While reading naruto's answer to Difference in sentences (㨠and ã«）, I realized that although ã‚Âス is an intransitive verb in Japanese, the English kiss is almost always used as a transitive verb. Some other examples of this are アクセス and リベンジ. My question is thus is there a reason why primarily transitive English words when converted to Japanese could become primarily intransitive words?
My expectation is that primarily transitive English words like to google or to master to become primarily transitive Japanese words and primarily intransitive English words like jump to become primarily intransitive Japanese, which is true for at least those three cases. Is the way words like ã‚Âス became incorporated into Japanese different from words like マスター?
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While reading naruto's answer to Difference in sentences (㨠and ã«）, I realized that although ã‚Âス is an intransitive verb in Japanese, the English kiss is almost always used as a transitive verb. Some other examples of this are アクセス and リベンジ. My question is thus is there a reason why primarily transitive English words when converted to Japanese could become primarily intransitive words?
My expectation is that primarily transitive English words like to google or to master to become primarily transitive Japanese words and primarily intransitive English words like jump to become primarily intransitive Japanese, which is true for at least those three cases. Is the way words like ã‚Âス became incorporated into Japanese different from words like マスター?
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Maybe an aside to your question, but I'm not sure whether ã‚Âス is the best example of this. In English you can say "they kissed" or "he kissed her" just as in Japanese you can say ã‚Âスã—㟠or å½¼ã¯彼女ã«ã‚Âスã—ãŸ. The girl is the indirect object so it is still a transitive verb. So it seems to me that in both languages there is plenty of scope for both transitive and intransitive usages. Perhaps リベンジ is a more apt example as it's harder to think of normal transitive examples in Japanese.
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While reading naruto's answer to Difference in sentences (㨠and ã«）, I realized that although ã‚Âス is an intransitive verb in Japanese, the English kiss is almost always used as a transitive verb. Some other examples of this are アクセス and リベンジ. My question is thus is there a reason why primarily transitive English words when converted to Japanese could become primarily intransitive words?
My expectation is that primarily transitive English words like to google or to master to become primarily transitive Japanese words and primarily intransitive English words like jump to become primarily intransitive Japanese, which is true for at least those three cases. Is the way words like ã‚Âス became incorporated into Japanese different from words like マスター?
loanwords transitivity
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Ringil
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While reading naruto's answer to Difference in sentences (㨠and ã«）, I realized that although ã‚Âス is an intransitive verb in Japanese, the English kiss is almost always used as a transitive verb. Some other examples of this are アクセス and リベンジ. My question is thus is there a reason why primarily transitive English words when converted to Japanese could become primarily intransitive words?
My expectation is that primarily transitive English words like to google or to master to become primarily transitive Japanese words and primarily intransitive English words like jump to become primarily intransitive Japanese, which is true for at least those three cases. Is the way words like ã‚Âス became incorporated into Japanese different from words like マスター?
loanwords transitivity
loanwords transitivity
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Maybe an aside to your question, but I'm not sure whether ã‚Âス is the best example of this. In English you can say "they kissed" or "he kissed her" just as in Japanese you can say ã‚Âスã—㟠or å½¼ã¯彼女ã«ã‚Âスã—ãŸ. The girl is the indirect object so it is still a transitive verb. So it seems to me that in both languages there is plenty of scope for both transitive and intransitive usages. Perhaps リベンジ is a more apt example as it's harder to think of normal transitive examples in Japanese.
– kandyman
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Maybe an aside to your question, but I'm not sure whether ã‚Âス is the best example of this. In English you can say "they kissed" or "he kissed her" just as in Japanese you can say ã‚Âスã—㟠or å½¼ã¯彼女ã«ã‚Âスã—ãŸ. The girl is the indirect object so it is still a transitive verb. So it seems to me that in both languages there is plenty of scope for both transitive and intransitive usages. Perhaps リベンジ is a more apt example as it's harder to think of normal transitive examples in Japanese.
– kandyman
1 hour ago
Maybe an aside to your question, but I'm not sure whether ã‚Âス is the best example of this. In English you can say "they kissed" or "he kissed her" just as in Japanese you can say ã‚Âスã—㟠or å½¼ã¯彼女ã«ã‚Âスã—ãŸ. The girl is the indirect object so it is still a transitive verb. So it seems to me that in both languages there is plenty of scope for both transitive and intransitive usages. Perhaps リベンジ is a more apt example as it's harder to think of normal transitive examples in Japanese.
– kandyman
1 hour ago
Maybe an aside to your question, but I'm not sure whether ã‚Âス is the best example of this. In English you can say "they kissed" or "he kissed her" just as in Japanese you can say ã‚Âスã—㟠or å½¼ã¯彼女ã«ã‚Âスã—ãŸ. The girl is the indirect object so it is still a transitive verb. So it seems to me that in both languages there is plenty of scope for both transitive and intransitive usages. Perhaps リベンジ is a more apt example as it's harder to think of normal transitive examples in Japanese.
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There should be exceptions, but I suppose this is largely based on the transitivity of the original Japanese verb before it was replaced by the loanword.
- (～ã«)ã‚Âスã™る = (～ã«)å£ãÂ¥ã‘ã™る
- (～ã«)アクセスã™る = (～ã«)進入ã™る/接続ã™る
- (～ã«)リベンジã™る = (～ã«)復è®Âã™る
- (～ã«)コンサルトã™る = (～ã«)相談ã™る
- (～ã«)タッãƒÂã™る = (～ã«)触れる
When the original Japanese verb is transitive, the loanword version is also transitive.
- (～を)スタートã™る = (～を)開始ã™る
- (～を)テストã™る = (～を)試験ã™る
Occasionally, an English intransitive verb can be borrowed as a transitive suru-verb:
- (～を)リタイヤã™る = (～を)退è·ã™る = to retire from ～
Many loaned suru-verbs are not even based on English verbs, so it's not surprising if transitivity is ignored :)
- (～を)マイナスã™る = (～を)減算ã™る
- (～を)リストラã™る = (～を)解雇ã™る
- (～を)オンエアã™る = (～を)放é€Âã™る
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There should be exceptions, but I suppose this is largely based on the transitivity of the original Japanese verb before it was replaced by the loanword.
- (～ã«)ã‚Âスã™る = (～ã«)å£ãÂ¥ã‘ã™る
- (～ã«)アクセスã™る = (～ã«)進入ã™る/接続ã™る
- (～ã«)リベンジã™る = (～ã«)復è®Âã™る
- (～ã«)コンサルトã™る = (～ã«)相談ã™る
- (～ã«)タッãƒÂã™る = (～ã«)触れる
When the original Japanese verb is transitive, the loanword version is also transitive.
- (～を)スタートã™る = (～を)開始ã™る
- (～を)テストã™る = (～を)試験ã™る
Occasionally, an English intransitive verb can be borrowed as a transitive suru-verb:
- (～を)リタイヤã™る = (～を)退è·ã™る = to retire from ～
Many loaned suru-verbs are not even based on English verbs, so it's not surprising if transitivity is ignored :)
- (～を)マイナスã™る = (～を)減算ã™る
- (～を)リストラã™る = (～を)解雇ã™る
- (～を)オンエアã™る = (～を)放é€Âã™る
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There should be exceptions, but I suppose this is largely based on the transitivity of the original Japanese verb before it was replaced by the loanword.
- (～ã«)ã‚Âスã™る = (～ã«)å£ãÂ¥ã‘ã™る
- (～ã«)アクセスã™る = (～ã«)進入ã™る/接続ã™る
- (～ã«)リベンジã™る = (～ã«)復è®Âã™る
- (～ã«)コンサルトã™る = (～ã«)相談ã™る
- (～ã«)タッãƒÂã™る = (～ã«)触れる
When the original Japanese verb is transitive, the loanword version is also transitive.
- (～を)スタートã™る = (～を)開始ã™る
- (～を)テストã™る = (～を)試験ã™る
Occasionally, an English intransitive verb can be borrowed as a transitive suru-verb:
- (～を)リタイヤã™る = (～を)退è·ã™る = to retire from ～
Many loaned suru-verbs are not even based on English verbs, so it's not surprising if transitivity is ignored :)
- (～を)マイナスã™る = (～を)減算ã™る
- (～を)リストラã™る = (～を)解雇ã™る
- (～を)オンエアã™る = (～を)放é€Âã™る
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There should be exceptions, but I suppose this is largely based on the transitivity of the original Japanese verb before it was replaced by the loanword.
- (～ã«)ã‚Âスã™る = (～ã«)å£ãÂ¥ã‘ã™る
- (～ã«)アクセスã™る = (～ã«)進入ã™る/接続ã™る
- (～ã«)リベンジã™る = (～ã«)復è®Âã™る
- (～ã«)コンサルトã™る = (～ã«)相談ã™る
- (～ã«)タッãƒÂã™る = (～ã«)触れる
When the original Japanese verb is transitive, the loanword version is also transitive.
- (～を)スタートã™る = (～を)開始ã™る
- (～を)テストã™る = (～を)試験ã™る
Occasionally, an English intransitive verb can be borrowed as a transitive suru-verb:
- (～を)リタイヤã™る = (～を)退è·ã™る = to retire from ～
Many loaned suru-verbs are not even based on English verbs, so it's not surprising if transitivity is ignored :)
- (～を)マイナスã™る = (～を)減算ã™る
- (～を)リストラã™る = (～を)解雇ã™る
- (～を)オンエアã™る = (～を)放é€Âã™る
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There should be exceptions, but I suppose this is largely based on the transitivity of the original Japanese verb before it was replaced by the loanword.
- (～ã«)ã‚Âスã™る = (～ã«)å£ãÂ¥ã‘ã™る
- (～ã«)アクセスã™る = (～ã«)進入ã™る/接続ã™る
- (～ã«)リベンジã™る = (～ã«)復è®Âã™る
- (～ã«)コンサルトã™る = (～ã«)相談ã™る
- (～ã«)タッãƒÂã™る = (～ã«)触れる
When the original Japanese verb is transitive, the loanword version is also transitive.
- (～を)スタートã™る = (～を)開始ã™る
- (～を)テストã™る = (～を)試験ã™る
Occasionally, an English intransitive verb can be borrowed as a transitive suru-verb:
- (～を)リタイヤã™る = (～を)退è·ã™る = to retire from ～
Many loaned suru-verbs are not even based on English verbs, so it's not surprising if transitivity is ignored :)
- (～を)マイナスã™る = (～を)減算ã™る
- (～を)リストラã™る = (～を)解雇ã™る
- (～を)オンエアã™る = (～を)放é€Âã™る
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Maybe an aside to your question, but I'm not sure whether ã‚Âス is the best example of this. In English you can say "they kissed" or "he kissed her" just as in Japanese you can say ã‚Âスã—㟠or å½¼ã¯彼女ã«ã‚Âスã—ãŸ. The girl is the indirect object so it is still a transitive verb. So it seems to me that in both languages there is plenty of scope for both transitive and intransitive usages. Perhaps リベンジ is a more apt example as it's harder to think of normal transitive examples in Japanese.
– kandyman
1 hour ago