Remove busybox from buildroot

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As part of Linux hardening we want to remove busybox from filesystem created with buildroot.



But I am not sure if system can boot without it.



I am quite sure that there are init files that depends on busybox.



Is it possible to boot without busybox or does it require a custom init ?






boot busybox init buildroot hardening







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  • Is it for a bare metal system, a VM, or for a Docker container? busybox contains all the commands so it is not easy to remove.
    – xenoid
    9 hours ago










  • Which distribution? Why have you not made a test in a VM yet,?
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    9 hours ago










  • What kind of system is it? Why do you think that removing a program would harden your system?
    – Gilles
    9 hours ago










  • It is for buildroot. I might have forgotten to mention it. I edited the question.
    – ransh
    6 hours ago















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As part of Linux hardening we want to remove busybox from filesystem created with buildroot.



But I am not sure if system can boot without it.



I am quite sure that there are init files that depends on busybox.



Is it possible to boot without busybox or does it require a custom init ?






boot busybox init buildroot hardening







share|improve this question























  • Is it for a bare metal system, a VM, or for a Docker container? busybox contains all the commands so it is not easy to remove.
    – xenoid
    9 hours ago










  • Which distribution? Why have you not made a test in a VM yet,?
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    9 hours ago










  • What kind of system is it? Why do you think that removing a program would harden your system?
    – Gilles
    9 hours ago










  • It is for buildroot. I might have forgotten to mention it. I edited the question.
    – ransh
    6 hours ago













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As part of Linux hardening we want to remove busybox from filesystem created with buildroot.



But I am not sure if system can boot without it.



I am quite sure that there are init files that depends on busybox.



Is it possible to boot without busybox or does it require a custom init ?






boot busybox init buildroot hardening







share|improve this question















As part of Linux hardening we want to remove busybox from filesystem created with buildroot.



But I am not sure if system can boot without it.



I am quite sure that there are init files that depends on busybox.



Is it possible to boot without busybox or does it require a custom init ?






boot busybox init buildroot hardening




boot busybox init buildroot hardening






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  • Is it for a bare metal system, a VM, or for a Docker container? busybox contains all the commands so it is not easy to remove.
    – xenoid
    9 hours ago










  • Which distribution? Why have you not made a test in a VM yet,?
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    9 hours ago










  • What kind of system is it? Why do you think that removing a program would harden your system?
    – Gilles
    9 hours ago










  • It is for buildroot. I might have forgotten to mention it. I edited the question.
    – ransh
    6 hours ago

















  • Is it for a bare metal system, a VM, or for a Docker container? busybox contains all the commands so it is not easy to remove.
    – xenoid
    9 hours ago










  • Which distribution? Why have you not made a test in a VM yet,?
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    9 hours ago










  • What kind of system is it? Why do you think that removing a program would harden your system?
    – Gilles
    9 hours ago










  • It is for buildroot. I might have forgotten to mention it. I edited the question.
    – ransh
    6 hours ago
















Is it for a bare metal system, a VM, or for a Docker container? busybox contains all the commands so it is not easy to remove.
– xenoid
9 hours ago




Is it for a bare metal system, a VM, or for a Docker container? busybox contains all the commands so it is not easy to remove.
– xenoid
9 hours ago












Which distribution? Why have you not made a test in a VM yet,?
– Rui F Ribeiro
9 hours ago




Which distribution? Why have you not made a test in a VM yet,?
– Rui F Ribeiro
9 hours ago












What kind of system is it? Why do you think that removing a program would harden your system?
– Gilles
9 hours ago




What kind of system is it? Why do you think that removing a program would harden your system?
– Gilles
9 hours ago












It is for buildroot. I might have forgotten to mention it. I edited the question.
– ransh
6 hours ago





It is for buildroot. I might have forgotten to mention it. I edited the question.
– ransh
6 hours ago











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It all depends on whether your distro uses Busybox for init.



To point you in the right direction, run ls -l /sbin/init.



If you get something like the following (example from OpenWRT):



~# ls -l /sbin/init
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10824 Jan 31 2016 /sbin/init


It means init is a different application and you may be able to remove Busybox. You'll still need to replace all the command init requires with alternatives as Busybox provides many tools required for booting successfully.



However, if you get (example from Alpine Linux):



~$ ls -l /sbin/init
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 3 04:49 /sbin/init -> /bin/busybox


It means init is provided by Busybox and you'll not be able to boot unless you can replace Busybox's init with an alternative.



You have to consider whether you are really hardening your system by doing this as you'll end up replacing one binary with many.






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    Even if init itself isn't the one from Busybox, if a system has Busybox, it probably has other critical programs provided by Busybox, for example sh.
    – Gilles
    9 hours ago










  • @Gilles - edited and added as you commented :-)
    – garethTheRed
    9 hours ago










  • Using this solution, does buildroot provide the option to entirely remove busybox from buildroot ?
    – ransh
    20 mins ago

















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I routinely delete busybox in my master template/Debian VMs.



As for Debian, it is a matter of not allowing it to install both the busybox and busybox-staticpackages.



You just have to keep in mind the recovery/rescue options will be more limited in a system without it. e.g. I might keep it on a physical system, I delete it as a norm form VMs to save space and under the Unix old golden rule of keeping the minimum of software installed.



At least speaking for Debian, the uninstall makes the necessary modifications in the background, and it is neither necessary to do any extra steps nor customizing anything.






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  • I forgot to mention that I use buildroot (just edit the question). So this solution may not be relevant in my case.
    – ransh
    6 hours ago










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It all depends on whether your distro uses Busybox for init.



To point you in the right direction, run ls -l /sbin/init.



If you get something like the following (example from OpenWRT):



~# ls -l /sbin/init
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10824 Jan 31 2016 /sbin/init


It means init is a different application and you may be able to remove Busybox. You'll still need to replace all the command init requires with alternatives as Busybox provides many tools required for booting successfully.



However, if you get (example from Alpine Linux):



~$ ls -l /sbin/init
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 3 04:49 /sbin/init -> /bin/busybox


It means init is provided by Busybox and you'll not be able to boot unless you can replace Busybox's init with an alternative.



You have to consider whether you are really hardening your system by doing this as you'll end up replacing one binary with many.






share|improve this answer


















  • 1




    Even if init itself isn't the one from Busybox, if a system has Busybox, it probably has other critical programs provided by Busybox, for example sh.
    – Gilles
    9 hours ago










  • @Gilles - edited and added as you commented :-)
    – garethTheRed
    9 hours ago










  • Using this solution, does buildroot provide the option to entirely remove busybox from buildroot ?
    – ransh
    20 mins ago














up vote
4
down vote













It all depends on whether your distro uses Busybox for init.



To point you in the right direction, run ls -l /sbin/init.



If you get something like the following (example from OpenWRT):



~# ls -l /sbin/init
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10824 Jan 31 2016 /sbin/init


It means init is a different application and you may be able to remove Busybox. You'll still need to replace all the command init requires with alternatives as Busybox provides many tools required for booting successfully.



However, if you get (example from Alpine Linux):



~$ ls -l /sbin/init
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 3 04:49 /sbin/init -> /bin/busybox


It means init is provided by Busybox and you'll not be able to boot unless you can replace Busybox's init with an alternative.



You have to consider whether you are really hardening your system by doing this as you'll end up replacing one binary with many.






share|improve this answer


















  • 1




    Even if init itself isn't the one from Busybox, if a system has Busybox, it probably has other critical programs provided by Busybox, for example sh.
    – Gilles
    9 hours ago










  • @Gilles - edited and added as you commented :-)
    – garethTheRed
    9 hours ago










  • Using this solution, does buildroot provide the option to entirely remove busybox from buildroot ?
    – ransh
    20 mins ago












up vote
4
down vote










up vote
4
down vote









It all depends on whether your distro uses Busybox for init.



To point you in the right direction, run ls -l /sbin/init.



If you get something like the following (example from OpenWRT):



~# ls -l /sbin/init
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10824 Jan 31 2016 /sbin/init


It means init is a different application and you may be able to remove Busybox. You'll still need to replace all the command init requires with alternatives as Busybox provides many tools required for booting successfully.



However, if you get (example from Alpine Linux):



~$ ls -l /sbin/init
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 3 04:49 /sbin/init -> /bin/busybox


It means init is provided by Busybox and you'll not be able to boot unless you can replace Busybox's init with an alternative.



You have to consider whether you are really hardening your system by doing this as you'll end up replacing one binary with many.






share|improve this answer














It all depends on whether your distro uses Busybox for init.



To point you in the right direction, run ls -l /sbin/init.



If you get something like the following (example from OpenWRT):



~# ls -l /sbin/init
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10824 Jan 31 2016 /sbin/init


It means init is a different application and you may be able to remove Busybox. You'll still need to replace all the command init requires with alternatives as Busybox provides many tools required for booting successfully.



However, if you get (example from Alpine Linux):



~$ ls -l /sbin/init
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 3 04:49 /sbin/init -> /bin/busybox


It means init is provided by Busybox and you'll not be able to boot unless you can replace Busybox's init with an alternative.



You have to consider whether you are really hardening your system by doing this as you'll end up replacing one binary with many.







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    Even if init itself isn't the one from Busybox, if a system has Busybox, it probably has other critical programs provided by Busybox, for example sh.
    – Gilles
    9 hours ago










  • @Gilles - edited and added as you commented :-)
    – garethTheRed
    9 hours ago










  • Using this solution, does buildroot provide the option to entirely remove busybox from buildroot ?
    – ransh
    20 mins ago












  • 1




    Even if init itself isn't the one from Busybox, if a system has Busybox, it probably has other critical programs provided by Busybox, for example sh.
    – Gilles
    9 hours ago










  • @Gilles - edited and added as you commented :-)
    – garethTheRed
    9 hours ago










  • Using this solution, does buildroot provide the option to entirely remove busybox from buildroot ?
    – ransh
    20 mins ago







1




1




Even if init itself isn't the one from Busybox, if a system has Busybox, it probably has other critical programs provided by Busybox, for example sh.
– Gilles
9 hours ago




Even if init itself isn't the one from Busybox, if a system has Busybox, it probably has other critical programs provided by Busybox, for example sh.
– Gilles
9 hours ago












@Gilles - edited and added as you commented :-)
– garethTheRed
9 hours ago




@Gilles - edited and added as you commented :-)
– garethTheRed
9 hours ago












Using this solution, does buildroot provide the option to entirely remove busybox from buildroot ?
– ransh
20 mins ago




Using this solution, does buildroot provide the option to entirely remove busybox from buildroot ?
– ransh
20 mins ago












up vote
3
down vote













I routinely delete busybox in my master template/Debian VMs.



As for Debian, it is a matter of not allowing it to install both the busybox and busybox-staticpackages.



You just have to keep in mind the recovery/rescue options will be more limited in a system without it. e.g. I might keep it on a physical system, I delete it as a norm form VMs to save space and under the Unix old golden rule of keeping the minimum of software installed.



At least speaking for Debian, the uninstall makes the necessary modifications in the background, and it is neither necessary to do any extra steps nor customizing anything.






share|improve this answer




















  • I forgot to mention that I use buildroot (just edit the question). So this solution may not be relevant in my case.
    – ransh
    6 hours ago














up vote
3
down vote













I routinely delete busybox in my master template/Debian VMs.



As for Debian, it is a matter of not allowing it to install both the busybox and busybox-staticpackages.



You just have to keep in mind the recovery/rescue options will be more limited in a system without it. e.g. I might keep it on a physical system, I delete it as a norm form VMs to save space and under the Unix old golden rule of keeping the minimum of software installed.



At least speaking for Debian, the uninstall makes the necessary modifications in the background, and it is neither necessary to do any extra steps nor customizing anything.






share|improve this answer




















  • I forgot to mention that I use buildroot (just edit the question). So this solution may not be relevant in my case.
    – ransh
    6 hours ago












up vote
3
down vote










up vote
3
down vote









I routinely delete busybox in my master template/Debian VMs.



As for Debian, it is a matter of not allowing it to install both the busybox and busybox-staticpackages.



You just have to keep in mind the recovery/rescue options will be more limited in a system without it. e.g. I might keep it on a physical system, I delete it as a norm form VMs to save space and under the Unix old golden rule of keeping the minimum of software installed.



At least speaking for Debian, the uninstall makes the necessary modifications in the background, and it is neither necessary to do any extra steps nor customizing anything.






share|improve this answer












I routinely delete busybox in my master template/Debian VMs.



As for Debian, it is a matter of not allowing it to install both the busybox and busybox-staticpackages.



You just have to keep in mind the recovery/rescue options will be more limited in a system without it. e.g. I might keep it on a physical system, I delete it as a norm form VMs to save space and under the Unix old golden rule of keeping the minimum of software installed.



At least speaking for Debian, the uninstall makes the necessary modifications in the background, and it is neither necessary to do any extra steps nor customizing anything.







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  • I forgot to mention that I use buildroot (just edit the question). So this solution may not be relevant in my case.
    – ransh
    6 hours ago
















  • I forgot to mention that I use buildroot (just edit the question). So this solution may not be relevant in my case.
    – ransh
    6 hours ago















I forgot to mention that I use buildroot (just edit the question). So this solution may not be relevant in my case.
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I forgot to mention that I use buildroot (just edit the question). So this solution may not be relevant in my case.
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