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PHB typo: Can the target of a shove contest it with Dexterity (Acrobatics)?
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In the D&D 5th Edition Player's Handbook on page 195 under Shoving a Creature:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or [sic] check (the target chooses the ability to use). If you win the contest...
It looks like something has been omitted at the point where I wrote "[sic]" in the quote above. At that point in the text you turn the page from 195 to 196.
My guess is that it was supposed to say:
...contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or [Dexterity (Acrobatics)] check (the target chooses the ability to use). ...
That way the rule would be pretty much identical to the way that Grappling works. Grappling is the previous topic on page 195, so it would make sense to see some close similarities.
I'm having trouble tracking down any corrections made on this particular typo, so I decided to defer to the experts. I'm looking for something official, not "it's a DM judgement call" or your own opinion. Crawford tweets are acceptable, of course.
Edit: It appears my copy is the third printing, based on the number string (9 8 7 6 5 4 3) on the first page, according to this answer. It appears this has been corrected in later printings, see answers below.
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In the D&D 5th Edition Player's Handbook on page 195 under Shoving a Creature:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or [sic] check (the target chooses the ability to use). If you win the contest...
It looks like something has been omitted at the point where I wrote "[sic]" in the quote above. At that point in the text you turn the page from 195 to 196.
My guess is that it was supposed to say:
...contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or [Dexterity (Acrobatics)] check (the target chooses the ability to use). ...
That way the rule would be pretty much identical to the way that Grappling works. Grappling is the previous topic on page 195, so it would make sense to see some close similarities.
I'm having trouble tracking down any corrections made on this particular typo, so I decided to defer to the experts. I'm looking for something official, not "it's a DM judgement call" or your own opinion. Crawford tweets are acceptable, of course.
Edit: It appears my copy is the third printing, based on the number string (9 8 7 6 5 4 3) on the first page, according to this answer. It appears this has been corrected in later printings, see answers below.
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What version of the PHB do you have?
– Mike Q
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@MikeQ Where would I find that? The latest copyright date I can find on the first page is 2014. The ISBN is 978-0-7869-6560-1. It also says "This printing includes corrections to the first printing." So I guess it isn't the first printing...
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In the D&D 5th Edition Player's Handbook on page 195 under Shoving a Creature:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or [sic] check (the target chooses the ability to use). If you win the contest...
It looks like something has been omitted at the point where I wrote "[sic]" in the quote above. At that point in the text you turn the page from 195 to 196.
My guess is that it was supposed to say:
...contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or [Dexterity (Acrobatics)] check (the target chooses the ability to use). ...
That way the rule would be pretty much identical to the way that Grappling works. Grappling is the previous topic on page 195, so it would make sense to see some close similarities.
I'm having trouble tracking down any corrections made on this particular typo, so I decided to defer to the experts. I'm looking for something official, not "it's a DM judgement call" or your own opinion. Crawford tweets are acceptable, of course.
Edit: It appears my copy is the third printing, based on the number string (9 8 7 6 5 4 3) on the first page, according to this answer. It appears this has been corrected in later printings, see answers below.
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In the D&D 5th Edition Player's Handbook on page 195 under Shoving a Creature:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or [sic] check (the target chooses the ability to use). If you win the contest...
It looks like something has been omitted at the point where I wrote "[sic]" in the quote above. At that point in the text you turn the page from 195 to 196.
My guess is that it was supposed to say:
...contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or [Dexterity (Acrobatics)] check (the target chooses the ability to use). ...
That way the rule would be pretty much identical to the way that Grappling works. Grappling is the previous topic on page 195, so it would make sense to see some close similarities.
I'm having trouble tracking down any corrections made on this particular typo, so I decided to defer to the experts. I'm looking for something official, not "it's a DM judgement call" or your own opinion. Crawford tweets are acceptable, of course.
Edit: It appears my copy is the third printing, based on the number string (9 8 7 6 5 4 3) on the first page, according to this answer. It appears this has been corrected in later printings, see answers below.
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What version of the PHB do you have?
– Mike Q
58 mins ago
@MikeQ Where would I find that? The latest copyright date I can find on the first page is 2014. The ISBN is 978-0-7869-6560-1. It also says "This printing includes corrections to the first printing." So I guess it isn't the first printing...
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
55 mins ago
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@ConjuringFleeingFlumphs This can help identify your printing.
– CTWind
43 mins ago
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What version of the PHB do you have?
– Mike Q
58 mins ago
@MikeQ Where would I find that? The latest copyright date I can find on the first page is 2014. The ISBN is 978-0-7869-6560-1. It also says "This printing includes corrections to the first printing." So I guess it isn't the first printing...
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
55 mins ago
2
@ConjuringFleeingFlumphs This can help identify your printing.
– CTWind
43 mins ago
What version of the PHB do you have?
– Mike Q
58 mins ago
What version of the PHB do you have?
– Mike Q
58 mins ago
@MikeQ Where would I find that? The latest copyright date I can find on the first page is 2014. The ISBN is 978-0-7869-6560-1. It also says "This printing includes corrections to the first printing." So I guess it isn't the first printing...
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
55 mins ago
@MikeQ Where would I find that? The latest copyright date I can find on the first page is 2014. The ISBN is 978-0-7869-6560-1. It also says "This printing includes corrections to the first printing." So I guess it isn't the first printing...
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
55 mins ago
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@ConjuringFleeingFlumphs This can help identify your printing.
– CTWind
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@ConjuringFleeingFlumphs This can help identify your printing.
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The PHB says you can use either.
Perhaps your copy of the PHB has a misprint. I checked my copy (6th printing) and it says on p195-196:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the abil-ity to use).
Page 195 ends after "or" and page 196 begins with "Dexterity". I included a hyphen in "ability" because the line breaks there.
I also checked the roll20 compendium which has the latest version of the PHB ruleset, and it contains the same wording as I wrote above (minus the hypen).
Misprints are common. My copy of the PHB even has a misprinted cover!
answered 47 mins ago
Mike Q
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I think you're right, it must be a misprint. My page 195 ends at "or" like yours but page 196 begins with "check".
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In my PHB it is exactly as you guessed:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the ability to use)...
Your edition might be a very early one, this change is not even in the Errata.
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I have the first printing, p195 ends with Acrobatics.
You make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the
target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics)
check (the target chooses the ability to use).
So, it appears that a change was made that shifted the words slightly on p195. The publisher, not noticing the difference, may have used the old 196 page. If this is not an edition wide error, you may have a valuable book.
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3 Answers
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The PHB says you can use either.
Perhaps your copy of the PHB has a misprint. I checked my copy (6th printing) and it says on p195-196:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the abil-ity to use).
Page 195 ends after "or" and page 196 begins with "Dexterity". I included a hyphen in "ability" because the line breaks there.
I also checked the roll20 compendium which has the latest version of the PHB ruleset, and it contains the same wording as I wrote above (minus the hypen).
Misprints are common. My copy of the PHB even has a misprinted cover!
answered 47 mins ago
Mike Q
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I think you're right, it must be a misprint. My page 195 ends at "or" like yours but page 196 begins with "check".
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
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The PHB says you can use either.
Perhaps your copy of the PHB has a misprint. I checked my copy (6th printing) and it says on p195-196:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the abil-ity to use).
Page 195 ends after "or" and page 196 begins with "Dexterity". I included a hyphen in "ability" because the line breaks there.
I also checked the roll20 compendium which has the latest version of the PHB ruleset, and it contains the same wording as I wrote above (minus the hypen).
Misprints are common. My copy of the PHB even has a misprinted cover!
answered 47 mins ago
Mike Q
8,41331660
I think you're right, it must be a misprint. My page 195 ends at "or" like yours but page 196 begins with "check".
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
44 mins ago
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The PHB says you can use either.
Perhaps your copy of the PHB has a misprint. I checked my copy (6th printing) and it says on p195-196:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the abil-ity to use).
Page 195 ends after "or" and page 196 begins with "Dexterity". I included a hyphen in "ability" because the line breaks there.
I also checked the roll20 compendium which has the latest version of the PHB ruleset, and it contains the same wording as I wrote above (minus the hypen).
Misprints are common. My copy of the PHB even has a misprinted cover!
answered 47 mins ago
Mike Q
8,41331660
The PHB says you can use either.
Perhaps your copy of the PHB has a misprint. I checked my copy (6th printing) and it says on p195-196:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the abil-ity to use).
Page 195 ends after "or" and page 196 begins with "Dexterity". I included a hyphen in "ability" because the line breaks there.
I also checked the roll20 compendium which has the latest version of the PHB ruleset, and it contains the same wording as I wrote above (minus the hypen).
Misprints are common. My copy of the PHB even has a misprinted cover!
answered 47 mins ago
Mike Q
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Mike Q
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Mike Q
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I think you're right, it must be a misprint. My page 195 ends at "or" like yours but page 196 begins with "check".
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
44 mins ago
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I think you're right, it must be a misprint. My page 195 ends at "or" like yours but page 196 begins with "check".
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
44 mins ago
I think you're right, it must be a misprint. My page 195 ends at "or" like yours but page 196 begins with "check".
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
44 mins ago
I think you're right, it must be a misprint. My page 195 ends at "or" like yours but page 196 begins with "check".
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
44 mins ago
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In my PHB it is exactly as you guessed:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the ability to use)...
Your edition might be a very early one, this change is not even in the Errata.
answered 43 mins ago
András
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up vote
2
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In my PHB it is exactly as you guessed:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the ability to use)...
Your edition might be a very early one, this change is not even in the Errata.
answered 43 mins ago
András
24k1089179
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
In my PHB it is exactly as you guessed:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the ability to use)...
Your edition might be a very early one, this change is not even in the Errata.
answered 43 mins ago
András
24k1089179
In my PHB it is exactly as you guessed:
Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the ability to use)...
Your edition might be a very early one, this change is not even in the Errata.
answered 43 mins ago
András
24k1089179
answered 43 mins ago
András
24k1089179
answered 43 mins ago
András
24k1089179
answered 43 mins ago
András
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I have the first printing, p195 ends with Acrobatics.
You make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the
target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics)
check (the target chooses the ability to use).
So, it appears that a change was made that shifted the words slightly on p195. The publisher, not noticing the difference, may have used the old 196 page. If this is not an edition wide error, you may have a valuable book.
answered 5 mins ago
ravery
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I have the first printing, p195 ends with Acrobatics.
You make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the
target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics)
check (the target chooses the ability to use).
So, it appears that a change was made that shifted the words slightly on p195. The publisher, not noticing the difference, may have used the old 196 page. If this is not an edition wide error, you may have a valuable book.
answered 5 mins ago
ravery
5,6281843
add a comment |Â
up vote
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up vote
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I have the first printing, p195 ends with Acrobatics.
You make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the
target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics)
check (the target chooses the ability to use).
So, it appears that a change was made that shifted the words slightly on p195. The publisher, not noticing the difference, may have used the old 196 page. If this is not an edition wide error, you may have a valuable book.
answered 5 mins ago
ravery
5,6281843
I have the first printing, p195 ends with Acrobatics.
You make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the
target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics)
check (the target chooses the ability to use).
So, it appears that a change was made that shifted the words slightly on p195. The publisher, not noticing the difference, may have used the old 196 page. If this is not an edition wide error, you may have a valuable book.
answered 5 mins ago
ravery
5,6281843
answered 5 mins ago
ravery
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What version of the PHB do you have?
– Mike Q
58 mins ago
@MikeQ Where would I find that? The latest copyright date I can find on the first page is 2014. The ISBN is 978-0-7869-6560-1. It also says "This printing includes corrections to the first printing." So I guess it isn't the first printing...
– ConjuringFleeingFlumphs
55 mins ago
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@ConjuringFleeingFlumphs This can help identify your printing.
– CTWind
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