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What regulations discuss the red/white marked areas on a tarmac at a terminal?
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This is the terminal at KSTS. Someone mentioned to me that your can't overfly this area. (I fly helicopters direct to the ramp adjacent.) What regulations discuss this? I don't see it in the AIM.
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This is the terminal at KSTS. Someone mentioned to me that your can't overfly this area. (I fly helicopters direct to the ramp adjacent.) What regulations discuss this? I don't see it in the AIM.
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I don't see anything on the FAA Airport Diagram either, 155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1810/00696AD.PDF Wouldn't a helicopter normally airtaxi over the regular taxi lines? Have a look in the FARs for "keepout area" or "restricted area" perhaps.
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I couldn't find that pattern in AC 150/5340-1L - Standards for Airport Markings. Interesting question.
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This is the terminal at KSTS. Someone mentioned to me that your can't overfly this area. (I fly helicopters direct to the ramp adjacent.) What regulations discuss this? I don't see it in the AIM.
faa-regulations airport-markings
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This is the terminal at KSTS. Someone mentioned to me that your can't overfly this area. (I fly helicopters direct to the ramp adjacent.) What regulations discuss this? I don't see it in the AIM.
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faa-regulations airport-markings
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I don't see anything on the FAA Airport Diagram either, 155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1810/00696AD.PDF Wouldn't a helicopter normally airtaxi over the regular taxi lines? Have a look in the FARs for "keepout area" or "restricted area" perhaps.
– CrossRoads
5 hours ago
I couldn't find that pattern in AC 150/5340-1L - Standards for Airport Markings. Interesting question.
– ymb1
5 hours ago
youtu.be/wvdNCDVmRPo
– TomMcW
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I don't see anything on the FAA Airport Diagram either, 155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1810/00696AD.PDF Wouldn't a helicopter normally airtaxi over the regular taxi lines? Have a look in the FARs for "keepout area" or "restricted area" perhaps.
– CrossRoads
5 hours ago
I couldn't find that pattern in AC 150/5340-1L - Standards for Airport Markings. Interesting question.
– ymb1
5 hours ago
youtu.be/wvdNCDVmRPo
– TomMcW
30 mins ago
I don't see anything on the FAA Airport Diagram either, 155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1810/00696AD.PDF Wouldn't a helicopter normally airtaxi over the regular taxi lines? Have a look in the FARs for "keepout area" or "restricted area" perhaps.
– CrossRoads
5 hours ago
I don't see anything on the FAA Airport Diagram either, 155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1810/00696AD.PDF Wouldn't a helicopter normally airtaxi over the regular taxi lines? Have a look in the FARs for "keepout area" or "restricted area" perhaps.
– CrossRoads
5 hours ago
I couldn't find that pattern in AC 150/5340-1L - Standards for Airport Markings. Interesting question.
– ymb1
5 hours ago
I couldn't find that pattern in AC 150/5340-1L - Standards for Airport Markings. Interesting question.
– ymb1
5 hours ago
youtu.be/wvdNCDVmRPo
– TomMcW
30 mins ago
youtu.be/wvdNCDVmRPo
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I believe it's a non-standard marking to indicate a Security Identification Display Area (SIDA), where you need a specific badge to have access. The TSA sets the requirements for access. If you zoom in you can see the words "AIRLINE EMPLOYEES ONLY" beside the markings.
I don't think there's any standard marking for SIDAs. There was a proposal in the draft version of AC 150/5340-1K - Standards for Airport Markings (see section 5.15 for all the details):
The SIDA marking is a rectangular stripe with white legends that are
centered within a red background. Paint colors are per AC 150/5370-2,
Item P-620, Runway and Taxiway Painting.
But, it didn't make it into the final version:
Drops a proposed new surface marking for areas designated by the
Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and the airport operator
as a security identification display area (SIDA) (reassigned paragraph
5.15 to cover markings for aircraft deicing facilities and removed proposed figure C-14). TSA accepted the task to address future
markings for the airside.
And as ymb1 pointed out in a comment, it's not in the current version of that AC either. Presumably the TSA is still working on it.
If you look at a SIDA at another airport, you can see differences. The SIDA at KLEX (Lexington, KY) is marked by a single red line, for example:
answered 4 hours ago
Pondlife
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Yup, you nailed it. I couldn't remember the acronym he had used. Still trying to determine if there is really an overflight restriction (if it were unoccupied) or if it's just a good idea to avoid it. As helicopter pilots we get clearance to land on taxiways and non-movement areas "at pilots own risk". We can generally maneuver as needed to reach the touchdown (avoiding overflight or people and taxing and parked aircraft) So I was surprised to hear there might be part of the ramp that you can't overfly.
– John Hutchinson
3 hours ago
@JohnHutchinson SIDAs are airport-specific, so you could ask the airport management. But I'm pretty sure that no such rule exists: if you're airborne, how can other people see if you're wearing a badge, and challenge you if you aren't? Having said all that, "don't invite unnecessary attention from the TSA" is a universally accepted rule ;-) Maybe that was the practical point of what you were told.
– Pondlife
3 hours ago
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1 Answer
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I believe it's a non-standard marking to indicate a Security Identification Display Area (SIDA), where you need a specific badge to have access. The TSA sets the requirements for access. If you zoom in you can see the words "AIRLINE EMPLOYEES ONLY" beside the markings.
I don't think there's any standard marking for SIDAs. There was a proposal in the draft version of AC 150/5340-1K - Standards for Airport Markings (see section 5.15 for all the details):
The SIDA marking is a rectangular stripe with white legends that are
centered within a red background. Paint colors are per AC 150/5370-2,
Item P-620, Runway and Taxiway Painting.
But, it didn't make it into the final version:
Drops a proposed new surface marking for areas designated by the
Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and the airport operator
as a security identification display area (SIDA) (reassigned paragraph
5.15 to cover markings for aircraft deicing facilities and removed proposed figure C-14). TSA accepted the task to address future
markings for the airside.
And as ymb1 pointed out in a comment, it's not in the current version of that AC either. Presumably the TSA is still working on it.
If you look at a SIDA at another airport, you can see differences. The SIDA at KLEX (Lexington, KY) is marked by a single red line, for example:
answered 4 hours ago
Pondlife
49k7130265
Yup, you nailed it. I couldn't remember the acronym he had used. Still trying to determine if there is really an overflight restriction (if it were unoccupied) or if it's just a good idea to avoid it. As helicopter pilots we get clearance to land on taxiways and non-movement areas "at pilots own risk". We can generally maneuver as needed to reach the touchdown (avoiding overflight or people and taxing and parked aircraft) So I was surprised to hear there might be part of the ramp that you can't overfly.
– John Hutchinson
3 hours ago
@JohnHutchinson SIDAs are airport-specific, so you could ask the airport management. But I'm pretty sure that no such rule exists: if you're airborne, how can other people see if you're wearing a badge, and challenge you if you aren't? Having said all that, "don't invite unnecessary attention from the TSA" is a universally accepted rule ;-) Maybe that was the practical point of what you were told.
– Pondlife
3 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
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accepted
I believe it's a non-standard marking to indicate a Security Identification Display Area (SIDA), where you need a specific badge to have access. The TSA sets the requirements for access. If you zoom in you can see the words "AIRLINE EMPLOYEES ONLY" beside the markings.
I don't think there's any standard marking for SIDAs. There was a proposal in the draft version of AC 150/5340-1K - Standards for Airport Markings (see section 5.15 for all the details):
The SIDA marking is a rectangular stripe with white legends that are
centered within a red background. Paint colors are per AC 150/5370-2,
Item P-620, Runway and Taxiway Painting.
But, it didn't make it into the final version:
Drops a proposed new surface marking for areas designated by the
Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and the airport operator
as a security identification display area (SIDA) (reassigned paragraph
5.15 to cover markings for aircraft deicing facilities and removed proposed figure C-14). TSA accepted the task to address future
markings for the airside.
And as ymb1 pointed out in a comment, it's not in the current version of that AC either. Presumably the TSA is still working on it.
If you look at a SIDA at another airport, you can see differences. The SIDA at KLEX (Lexington, KY) is marked by a single red line, for example:
answered 4 hours ago
Pondlife
49k7130265
Yup, you nailed it. I couldn't remember the acronym he had used. Still trying to determine if there is really an overflight restriction (if it were unoccupied) or if it's just a good idea to avoid it. As helicopter pilots we get clearance to land on taxiways and non-movement areas "at pilots own risk". We can generally maneuver as needed to reach the touchdown (avoiding overflight or people and taxing and parked aircraft) So I was surprised to hear there might be part of the ramp that you can't overfly.
– John Hutchinson
3 hours ago
@JohnHutchinson SIDAs are airport-specific, so you could ask the airport management. But I'm pretty sure that no such rule exists: if you're airborne, how can other people see if you're wearing a badge, and challenge you if you aren't? Having said all that, "don't invite unnecessary attention from the TSA" is a universally accepted rule ;-) Maybe that was the practical point of what you were told.
– Pondlife
3 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
I believe it's a non-standard marking to indicate a Security Identification Display Area (SIDA), where you need a specific badge to have access. The TSA sets the requirements for access. If you zoom in you can see the words "AIRLINE EMPLOYEES ONLY" beside the markings.
I don't think there's any standard marking for SIDAs. There was a proposal in the draft version of AC 150/5340-1K - Standards for Airport Markings (see section 5.15 for all the details):
The SIDA marking is a rectangular stripe with white legends that are
centered within a red background. Paint colors are per AC 150/5370-2,
Item P-620, Runway and Taxiway Painting.
But, it didn't make it into the final version:
Drops a proposed new surface marking for areas designated by the
Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and the airport operator
as a security identification display area (SIDA) (reassigned paragraph
5.15 to cover markings for aircraft deicing facilities and removed proposed figure C-14). TSA accepted the task to address future
markings for the airside.
And as ymb1 pointed out in a comment, it's not in the current version of that AC either. Presumably the TSA is still working on it.
If you look at a SIDA at another airport, you can see differences. The SIDA at KLEX (Lexington, KY) is marked by a single red line, for example:
answered 4 hours ago
Pondlife
49k7130265
I believe it's a non-standard marking to indicate a Security Identification Display Area (SIDA), where you need a specific badge to have access. The TSA sets the requirements for access. If you zoom in you can see the words "AIRLINE EMPLOYEES ONLY" beside the markings.
I don't think there's any standard marking for SIDAs. There was a proposal in the draft version of AC 150/5340-1K - Standards for Airport Markings (see section 5.15 for all the details):
The SIDA marking is a rectangular stripe with white legends that are
centered within a red background. Paint colors are per AC 150/5370-2,
Item P-620, Runway and Taxiway Painting.
But, it didn't make it into the final version:
Drops a proposed new surface marking for areas designated by the
Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and the airport operator
as a security identification display area (SIDA) (reassigned paragraph
5.15 to cover markings for aircraft deicing facilities and removed proposed figure C-14). TSA accepted the task to address future
markings for the airside.
And as ymb1 pointed out in a comment, it's not in the current version of that AC either. Presumably the TSA is still working on it.
If you look at a SIDA at another airport, you can see differences. The SIDA at KLEX (Lexington, KY) is marked by a single red line, for example:
answered 4 hours ago
Pondlife
49k7130265
answered 4 hours ago
Pondlife
49k7130265
answered 4 hours ago
Pondlife
49k7130265
answered 4 hours ago
Pondlife
49k7130265
49k7130265
Yup, you nailed it. I couldn't remember the acronym he had used. Still trying to determine if there is really an overflight restriction (if it were unoccupied) or if it's just a good idea to avoid it. As helicopter pilots we get clearance to land on taxiways and non-movement areas "at pilots own risk". We can generally maneuver as needed to reach the touchdown (avoiding overflight or people and taxing and parked aircraft) So I was surprised to hear there might be part of the ramp that you can't overfly.
– John Hutchinson
3 hours ago
@JohnHutchinson SIDAs are airport-specific, so you could ask the airport management. But I'm pretty sure that no such rule exists: if you're airborne, how can other people see if you're wearing a badge, and challenge you if you aren't? Having said all that, "don't invite unnecessary attention from the TSA" is a universally accepted rule ;-) Maybe that was the practical point of what you were told.
– Pondlife
3 hours ago
add a comment |Â
Yup, you nailed it. I couldn't remember the acronym he had used. Still trying to determine if there is really an overflight restriction (if it were unoccupied) or if it's just a good idea to avoid it. As helicopter pilots we get clearance to land on taxiways and non-movement areas "at pilots own risk". We can generally maneuver as needed to reach the touchdown (avoiding overflight or people and taxing and parked aircraft) So I was surprised to hear there might be part of the ramp that you can't overfly.
– John Hutchinson
3 hours ago
@JohnHutchinson SIDAs are airport-specific, so you could ask the airport management. But I'm pretty sure that no such rule exists: if you're airborne, how can other people see if you're wearing a badge, and challenge you if you aren't? Having said all that, "don't invite unnecessary attention from the TSA" is a universally accepted rule ;-) Maybe that was the practical point of what you were told.
– Pondlife
3 hours ago
Yup, you nailed it. I couldn't remember the acronym he had used. Still trying to determine if there is really an overflight restriction (if it were unoccupied) or if it's just a good idea to avoid it. As helicopter pilots we get clearance to land on taxiways and non-movement areas "at pilots own risk". We can generally maneuver as needed to reach the touchdown (avoiding overflight or people and taxing and parked aircraft) So I was surprised to hear there might be part of the ramp that you can't overfly.
– John Hutchinson
3 hours ago
Yup, you nailed it. I couldn't remember the acronym he had used. Still trying to determine if there is really an overflight restriction (if it were unoccupied) or if it's just a good idea to avoid it. As helicopter pilots we get clearance to land on taxiways and non-movement areas "at pilots own risk". We can generally maneuver as needed to reach the touchdown (avoiding overflight or people and taxing and parked aircraft) So I was surprised to hear there might be part of the ramp that you can't overfly.
– John Hutchinson
3 hours ago
@JohnHutchinson SIDAs are airport-specific, so you could ask the airport management. But I'm pretty sure that no such rule exists: if you're airborne, how can other people see if you're wearing a badge, and challenge you if you aren't? Having said all that, "don't invite unnecessary attention from the TSA" is a universally accepted rule ;-) Maybe that was the practical point of what you were told.
– Pondlife
3 hours ago
@JohnHutchinson SIDAs are airport-specific, so you could ask the airport management. But I'm pretty sure that no such rule exists: if you're airborne, how can other people see if you're wearing a badge, and challenge you if you aren't? Having said all that, "don't invite unnecessary attention from the TSA" is a universally accepted rule ;-) Maybe that was the practical point of what you were told.
– Pondlife
3 hours ago
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I don't see anything on the FAA Airport Diagram either, 155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1810/00696AD.PDF Wouldn't a helicopter normally airtaxi over the regular taxi lines? Have a look in the FARs for "keepout area" or "restricted area" perhaps.
– CrossRoads
5 hours ago
I couldn't find that pattern in AC 150/5340-1L - Standards for Airport Markings. Interesting question.
– ymb1
5 hours ago
youtu.be/wvdNCDVmRPo
– TomMcW
30 mins ago