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What happens to a Disintegrated Troll RAW?
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Trolls have the Regeneration trait:
Regeneration. The troll regains 10 hit points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 hit points and doesn't regenerate.
This means that, if reduced to 0 HP, the troll automatically regenerates 10 HP at the start of its turn, only dying if Regeneration is overridden, via fire or acid damage.
The disintegrate spell description says:
A creature targeted by this spell must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, the target takes 10d6 + 40 force damage. If this damage reduces the target to 0 hit points, it is disintegrated.
A disintegrated creature and everything it is wearing and carrying, except magic items, are reduced to a pile of fine gray dust. The creature can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or a wish spell.
So, if we take both instances Rules as Written, this would mean that a Troll dropped to 0 HP would be disintegrated but not dead, because it
dies only if it starts its turn with 0 HP and doesn't regenerate
and
the target takes 10d6 + 40 force damage
and
The creature can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or a wish spell.
and because disintegrate deals force damage, not fire or acid damage, and thus the Troll is technically still able to regenerate, and thus doesn't die.
So what happens?
Of course, this breaks down into certain key points which must be considered in making a solid answer:
- Does the ash regenerate?
- Can it take actions?
- Does it get a turn at all?
- If any or all of the prior answers are no, isn't the troll basically dead?
- What does this even look like in-game?
- And how does this interact with the text, "...can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or wish spell", since the troll never technically died?
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Related to This Question, and meant to provide a basis upon which that question can be answered.
Keep in mind that this is a Rules as Written question:
Questions about the rules as written are those which:
- Are investigating, as a priority, literal interpretations of the rules, even if they lead to absurd situations...
So, although this situation is absurd, it is a valid question by the site's parameters.
Trolls have the Regeneration trait:
Regeneration. The troll regains 10 hit points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 hit points and doesn't regenerate.
This means that, if reduced to 0 HP, the troll automatically regenerates 10 HP at the start of its turn, only dying if Regeneration is overridden, via fire or acid damage.
The disintegrate spell description says:
A creature targeted by this spell must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, the target takes 10d6 + 40 force damage. If this damage reduces the target to 0 hit points, it is disintegrated.
A disintegrated creature and everything it is wearing and carrying, except magic items, are reduced to a pile of fine gray dust. The creature can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or a wish spell.
So, if we take both instances Rules as Written, this would mean that a Troll dropped to 0 HP would be disintegrated but not dead, because it
dies only if it starts its turn with 0 HP and doesn't regenerate
and
the target takes 10d6 + 40 force damage
and
The creature can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or a wish spell.
and because disintegrate deals force damage, not fire or acid damage, and thus the Troll is technically still able to regenerate, and thus doesn't die.
So what happens?
Of course, this breaks down into certain key points which must be considered in making a solid answer:
- Does the ash regenerate?
- Can it take actions?
- Does it get a turn at all?
- If any or all of the prior answers are no, isn't the troll basically dead?
- What does this even look like in-game?
- And how does this interact with the text, "...can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or wish spell", since the troll never technically died?
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Related to This Question, and meant to provide a basis upon which that question can be answered.
Keep in mind that this is a Rules as Written question:
Questions about the rules as written are those which:
- Are investigating, as a priority, literal interpretations of the rules, even if they lead to absurd situations...
So, although this situation is absurd, it is a valid question by the site's parameters.
Trolls have the Regeneration trait:
Regeneration. The troll regains 10 hit points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 hit points and doesn't regenerate.
This means that, if reduced to 0 HP, the troll automatically regenerates 10 HP at the start of its turn, only dying if Regeneration is overridden, via fire or acid damage.
The disintegrate spell description says:
A creature targeted by this spell must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, the target takes 10d6 + 40 force damage. If this damage reduces the target to 0 hit points, it is disintegrated.
A disintegrated creature and everything it is wearing and carrying, except magic items, are reduced to a pile of fine gray dust. The creature can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or a wish spell.
So, if we take both instances Rules as Written, this would mean that a Troll dropped to 0 HP would be disintegrated but not dead, because it
dies only if it starts its turn with 0 HP and doesn't regenerate
and
the target takes 10d6 + 40 force damage
and
The creature can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or a wish spell.
and because disintegrate deals force damage, not fire or acid damage, and thus the Troll is technically still able to regenerate, and thus doesn't die.
So what happens?
Of course, this breaks down into certain key points which must be considered in making a solid answer:
- Does the ash regenerate?
- Can it take actions?
- Does it get a turn at all?
- If any or all of the prior answers are no, isn't the troll basically dead?
- What does this even look like in-game?
- And how does this interact with the text, "...can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or wish spell", since the troll never technically died?
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Related to This Question, and meant to provide a basis upon which that question can be answered.
Keep in mind that this is a Rules as Written question:
Questions about the rules as written are those which:
- Are investigating, as a priority, literal interpretations of the rules, even if they lead to absurd situations...
So, although this situation is absurd, it is a valid question by the site's parameters.
Trolls have the Regeneration trait:
Regeneration. The troll regains 10 hit points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 hit points and doesn't regenerate.
This means that, if reduced to 0 HP, the troll automatically regenerates 10 HP at the start of its turn, only dying if Regeneration is overridden, via fire or acid damage.
The disintegrate spell description says:
A creature targeted by this spell must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, the target takes 10d6 + 40 force damage. If this damage reduces the target to 0 hit points, it is disintegrated.
A disintegrated creature and everything it is wearing and carrying, except magic items, are reduced to a pile of fine gray dust. The creature can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or a wish spell.
So, if we take both instances Rules as Written, this would mean that a Troll dropped to 0 HP would be disintegrated but not dead, because it
dies only if it starts its turn with 0 HP and doesn't regenerate
and
the target takes 10d6 + 40 force damage
and
The creature can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or a wish spell.
and because disintegrate deals force damage, not fire or acid damage, and thus the Troll is technically still able to regenerate, and thus doesn't die.
So what happens?
Of course, this breaks down into certain key points which must be considered in making a solid answer:
- Does the ash regenerate?
- Can it take actions?
- Does it get a turn at all?
- If any or all of the prior answers are no, isn't the troll basically dead?
- What does this even look like in-game?
- And how does this interact with the text, "...can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or wish spell", since the troll never technically died?
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The troll turns into a dead pile of fine gray dust
The disintegrate spell reduces the troll to a pile of fine gray dust. The pile of fine gray dust is no longer a troll and therefore does not have the regeneration trait (for the same reason a troll polymorphed into a frog also does not have the regeneration trait). To the extent that the pile of fine gray dust is still capable of being alive, it is now at 0 HP and dies.
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The troll lives.
Troll regeneration is very powerful:
The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
- Does the ash regenerate? Yes. It starts its turn at 0 HP but hasn't been hit with acid or fire, so it doesn't die, and instead regenerates.
- Can it take actions? Yes. It's still alive and at 10 HP, so it's not Incapacitated.
- Does it get a turn? Yes. Assume for a moment that it doesn't. Then it can't die, because it can die only at the start of its turn. Therefore it is still a living creature and keeps its place in the turn order. This contradicts the premise, so the premise is wrong.
- Is the troll basically dead? No.
- What does this even look like in-game?
I assume at this point it's not a RAW question? I'm thinking the troll turns to a cloud of ash, which instead of blowing away on the breeze or settling to the ground, solidifies into a troll, which then goes and murders the wizard.
- How does this interact with disintegrate's restriction on restoring the creature to life? It doesn't. As you said, the troll never died. It just got disintegrated a little bit.
answered 9 hours ago
Mark Wells
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I don't agree. Disintegrate state explicitly that "the creature can be restored to life" and everything that has to be "restored to life" is logically dead (or undead). While the word "dead" is not present in text I think that ignorig part of effect description, in this case how to remove the spell result, is not RAW.
– Zucch
6 hours ago
@Zucch Disintegrate doesn't say the creature dies (unlike, say, Power Word: Kill), only that it is disintegrated.
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The troll turns into a dead pile of fine gray dust
The disintegrate spell reduces the troll to a pile of fine gray dust. The pile of fine gray dust is no longer a troll and therefore does not have the regeneration trait (for the same reason a troll polymorphed into a frog also does not have the regeneration trait). To the extent that the pile of fine gray dust is still capable of being alive, it is now at 0 HP and dies.
answered 8 hours ago
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The troll turns into a dead pile of fine gray dust
The disintegrate spell reduces the troll to a pile of fine gray dust. The pile of fine gray dust is no longer a troll and therefore does not have the regeneration trait (for the same reason a troll polymorphed into a frog also does not have the regeneration trait). To the extent that the pile of fine gray dust is still capable of being alive, it is now at 0 HP and dies.
answered 8 hours ago
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The troll turns into a dead pile of fine gray dust
The disintegrate spell reduces the troll to a pile of fine gray dust. The pile of fine gray dust is no longer a troll and therefore does not have the regeneration trait (for the same reason a troll polymorphed into a frog also does not have the regeneration trait). To the extent that the pile of fine gray dust is still capable of being alive, it is now at 0 HP and dies.
answered 8 hours ago
Ryan Thompson
2,602536
The troll turns into a dead pile of fine gray dust
The disintegrate spell reduces the troll to a pile of fine gray dust. The pile of fine gray dust is no longer a troll and therefore does not have the regeneration trait (for the same reason a troll polymorphed into a frog also does not have the regeneration trait). To the extent that the pile of fine gray dust is still capable of being alive, it is now at 0 HP and dies.
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The troll lives.
Troll regeneration is very powerful:
The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
- Does the ash regenerate? Yes. It starts its turn at 0 HP but hasn't been hit with acid or fire, so it doesn't die, and instead regenerates.
- Can it take actions? Yes. It's still alive and at 10 HP, so it's not Incapacitated.
- Does it get a turn? Yes. Assume for a moment that it doesn't. Then it can't die, because it can die only at the start of its turn. Therefore it is still a living creature and keeps its place in the turn order. This contradicts the premise, so the premise is wrong.
- Is the troll basically dead? No.
- What does this even look like in-game?
I assume at this point it's not a RAW question? I'm thinking the troll turns to a cloud of ash, which instead of blowing away on the breeze or settling to the ground, solidifies into a troll, which then goes and murders the wizard.
- How does this interact with disintegrate's restriction on restoring the creature to life? It doesn't. As you said, the troll never died. It just got disintegrated a little bit.
answered 9 hours ago
Mark Wells
3,331928
I don't agree. Disintegrate state explicitly that "the creature can be restored to life" and everything that has to be "restored to life" is logically dead (or undead). While the word "dead" is not present in text I think that ignorig part of effect description, in this case how to remove the spell result, is not RAW.
– Zucch
6 hours ago
@Zucch Disintegrate doesn't say the creature dies (unlike, say, Power Word: Kill), only that it is disintegrated.
– Mark Wells
5 mins ago
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The troll lives.
Troll regeneration is very powerful:
The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
- Does the ash regenerate? Yes. It starts its turn at 0 HP but hasn't been hit with acid or fire, so it doesn't die, and instead regenerates.
- Can it take actions? Yes. It's still alive and at 10 HP, so it's not Incapacitated.
- Does it get a turn? Yes. Assume for a moment that it doesn't. Then it can't die, because it can die only at the start of its turn. Therefore it is still a living creature and keeps its place in the turn order. This contradicts the premise, so the premise is wrong.
- Is the troll basically dead? No.
- What does this even look like in-game?
I assume at this point it's not a RAW question? I'm thinking the troll turns to a cloud of ash, which instead of blowing away on the breeze or settling to the ground, solidifies into a troll, which then goes and murders the wizard.
- How does this interact with disintegrate's restriction on restoring the creature to life? It doesn't. As you said, the troll never died. It just got disintegrated a little bit.
answered 9 hours ago
Mark Wells
3,331928
I don't agree. Disintegrate state explicitly that "the creature can be restored to life" and everything that has to be "restored to life" is logically dead (or undead). While the word "dead" is not present in text I think that ignorig part of effect description, in this case how to remove the spell result, is not RAW.
– Zucch
6 hours ago
@Zucch Disintegrate doesn't say the creature dies (unlike, say, Power Word: Kill), only that it is disintegrated.
– Mark Wells
5 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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The troll lives.
Troll regeneration is very powerful:
The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
- Does the ash regenerate? Yes. It starts its turn at 0 HP but hasn't been hit with acid or fire, so it doesn't die, and instead regenerates.
- Can it take actions? Yes. It's still alive and at 10 HP, so it's not Incapacitated.
- Does it get a turn? Yes. Assume for a moment that it doesn't. Then it can't die, because it can die only at the start of its turn. Therefore it is still a living creature and keeps its place in the turn order. This contradicts the premise, so the premise is wrong.
- Is the troll basically dead? No.
- What does this even look like in-game?
I assume at this point it's not a RAW question? I'm thinking the troll turns to a cloud of ash, which instead of blowing away on the breeze or settling to the ground, solidifies into a troll, which then goes and murders the wizard.
- How does this interact with disintegrate's restriction on restoring the creature to life? It doesn't. As you said, the troll never died. It just got disintegrated a little bit.
answered 9 hours ago
Mark Wells
3,331928
The troll lives.
Troll regeneration is very powerful:
The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.
- Does the ash regenerate? Yes. It starts its turn at 0 HP but hasn't been hit with acid or fire, so it doesn't die, and instead regenerates.
- Can it take actions? Yes. It's still alive and at 10 HP, so it's not Incapacitated.
- Does it get a turn? Yes. Assume for a moment that it doesn't. Then it can't die, because it can die only at the start of its turn. Therefore it is still a living creature and keeps its place in the turn order. This contradicts the premise, so the premise is wrong.
- Is the troll basically dead? No.
- What does this even look like in-game?
I assume at this point it's not a RAW question? I'm thinking the troll turns to a cloud of ash, which instead of blowing away on the breeze or settling to the ground, solidifies into a troll, which then goes and murders the wizard.
- How does this interact with disintegrate's restriction on restoring the creature to life? It doesn't. As you said, the troll never died. It just got disintegrated a little bit.
answered 9 hours ago
Mark Wells
3,331928
answered 9 hours ago
Mark Wells
3,331928
answered 9 hours ago
Mark Wells
3,331928
answered 9 hours ago
Mark Wells
3,331928
3,331928
I don't agree. Disintegrate state explicitly that "the creature can be restored to life" and everything that has to be "restored to life" is logically dead (or undead). While the word "dead" is not present in text I think that ignorig part of effect description, in this case how to remove the spell result, is not RAW.
– Zucch
6 hours ago
@Zucch Disintegrate doesn't say the creature dies (unlike, say, Power Word: Kill), only that it is disintegrated.
– Mark Wells
5 mins ago
add a comment |Â
I don't agree. Disintegrate state explicitly that "the creature can be restored to life" and everything that has to be "restored to life" is logically dead (or undead). While the word "dead" is not present in text I think that ignorig part of effect description, in this case how to remove the spell result, is not RAW.
– Zucch
6 hours ago
@Zucch Disintegrate doesn't say the creature dies (unlike, say, Power Word: Kill), only that it is disintegrated.
– Mark Wells
5 mins ago
I don't agree. Disintegrate state explicitly that "the creature can be restored to life" and everything that has to be "restored to life" is logically dead (or undead). While the word "dead" is not present in text I think that ignorig part of effect description, in this case how to remove the spell result, is not RAW.
– Zucch
6 hours ago
I don't agree. Disintegrate state explicitly that "the creature can be restored to life" and everything that has to be "restored to life" is logically dead (or undead). While the word "dead" is not present in text I think that ignorig part of effect description, in this case how to remove the spell result, is not RAW.
– Zucch
6 hours ago
@Zucch Disintegrate doesn't say the creature dies (unlike, say, Power Word: Kill), only that it is disintegrated.
– Mark Wells
5 mins ago
@Zucch Disintegrate doesn't say the creature dies (unlike, say, Power Word: Kill), only that it is disintegrated.
– Mark Wells
5 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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