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I found a lot of historical linguistic evidence for Charles to come from German Karl. But nowhere is the name explained comparitively. What formed the word Karl? I am interested in the origins beyond written evidence and I am aware that there is no evidence. However there is other uses of divine titles that seem to closely match Charles.
“‚Kyrie eleison‘ war in vorchristlicher Zeit ein gebräuchlicher Huldigungsruf für Götter und Herrscher.†Wikipedia
It says Kyrie eleison was called to emperors and Gods thus giving praise before Christian times.
So could Kyrie eleison have changed overtime to Charles/Karl/Karel/Carlos, very common royalty names for later kings and does anyone know of more such examples? And if you would be so kind to add to your answers also links or literature addressing meanings of names?
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I found a lot of historical linguistic evidence for Charles to come from German Karl. But nowhere is the name explained comparitively. What formed the word Karl? I am interested in the origins beyond written evidence and I am aware that there is no evidence. However there is other uses of divine titles that seem to closely match Charles.
“‚Kyrie eleison‘ war in vorchristlicher Zeit ein gebräuchlicher Huldigungsruf für Götter und Herrscher.†Wikipedia
It says Kyrie eleison was called to emperors and Gods thus giving praise before Christian times.
So could Kyrie eleison have changed overtime to Charles/Karl/Karel/Carlos, very common royalty names for later kings and does anyone know of more such examples? And if you would be so kind to add to your answers also links or literature addressing meanings of names?
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I found a lot of historical linguistic evidence for Charles to come from German Karl. But nowhere is the name explained comparitively. What formed the word Karl? I am interested in the origins beyond written evidence and I am aware that there is no evidence. However there is other uses of divine titles that seem to closely match Charles.
“‚Kyrie eleison‘ war in vorchristlicher Zeit ein gebräuchlicher Huldigungsruf für Götter und Herrscher.†Wikipedia
It says Kyrie eleison was called to emperors and Gods thus giving praise before Christian times.
So could Kyrie eleison have changed overtime to Charles/Karl/Karel/Carlos, very common royalty names for later kings and does anyone know of more such examples? And if you would be so kind to add to your answers also links or literature addressing meanings of names?
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I found a lot of historical linguistic evidence for Charles to come from German Karl. But nowhere is the name explained comparitively. What formed the word Karl? I am interested in the origins beyond written evidence and I am aware that there is no evidence. However there is other uses of divine titles that seem to closely match Charles.
“‚Kyrie eleison‘ war in vorchristlicher Zeit ein gebräuchlicher Huldigungsruf für Götter und Herrscher.†Wikipedia
It says Kyrie eleison was called to emperors and Gods thus giving praise before Christian times.
So could Kyrie eleison have changed overtime to Charles/Karl/Karel/Carlos, very common royalty names for later kings and does anyone know of more such examples? And if you would be so kind to add to your answers also links or literature addressing meanings of names?
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That connection is not likely. Kyrios has Indogermanic roots, of course, but old-low-Germanic kerl, previously charal, charel, charl, is much closer and makes the connection between Karl and Charles much more readily apparent.
Kerl essentially means just man, guy, husband.
Source: KERL, Fundstelle: Lfg. 3 (1865), Bd. V (1873), Sp. 570, Z. 13 („kerl“, in: Deutsches Wörterbuch von Jacob Grimm und Wilhelm Grimm, Erstbearbeitung (1854–1960), digitalisierte Version im Digitalen Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache, , )
Wikipedia has this as Churl for English. the name used often for kings comes from a very prominent bearer of that name: Karl der Große or Charlesmagne. Similar to Caesar or Augustus for Latin/Roman, ehr, caesars, that is: emperors.
Compare that to lord:
mid-13c., laverd, loverd, from Old English hlaford "master of a household, ruler, feudal lord, superior; husband," also "God," translating Latin dominus, Greek kyrios in the New Testament, Hebrew yahweh in the Old (though Old English dryhten was more frequent). Old English hlaford is a contraction of earlier hlafweard, literally "one who guards the loaves," from hlaf "bread, loaf" (see loaf (n.)) + weard "keeper, guardian" (from PIE root *wer- (3) "perceive, watch out for").
And again carl:
c. 1300, "bondsman; common man, man of low birth," from Old Norse karl "man (as opposed to "woman"), male, freeman," from Proto-Germanic *karlon- (source also of Dutch karel "a fellow," Old High German karl "a man, husband), the same base that produced Old English ceorl "man of low degree" (see churl) and the masc. proper name Carl.
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That connection is not likely. Kyrios has Indogermanic roots, of course, but old-low-Germanic kerl, previously charal, charel, charl, is much closer and makes the connection between Karl and Charles much more readily apparent.
Kerl essentially means just man, guy, husband.
Source: KERL, Fundstelle: Lfg. 3 (1865), Bd. V (1873), Sp. 570, Z. 13 („kerl“, in: Deutsches Wörterbuch von Jacob Grimm und Wilhelm Grimm, Erstbearbeitung (1854–1960), digitalisierte Version im Digitalen Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache, , )
Wikipedia has this as Churl for English. the name used often for kings comes from a very prominent bearer of that name: Karl der Große or Charlesmagne. Similar to Caesar or Augustus for Latin/Roman, ehr, caesars, that is: emperors.
Compare that to lord:
mid-13c., laverd, loverd, from Old English hlaford "master of a household, ruler, feudal lord, superior; husband," also "God," translating Latin dominus, Greek kyrios in the New Testament, Hebrew yahweh in the Old (though Old English dryhten was more frequent). Old English hlaford is a contraction of earlier hlafweard, literally "one who guards the loaves," from hlaf "bread, loaf" (see loaf (n.)) + weard "keeper, guardian" (from PIE root *wer- (3) "perceive, watch out for").
And again carl:
c. 1300, "bondsman; common man, man of low birth," from Old Norse karl "man (as opposed to "woman"), male, freeman," from Proto-Germanic *karlon- (source also of Dutch karel "a fellow," Old High German karl "a man, husband), the same base that produced Old English ceorl "man of low degree" (see churl) and the masc. proper name Carl.
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That connection is not likely. Kyrios has Indogermanic roots, of course, but old-low-Germanic kerl, previously charal, charel, charl, is much closer and makes the connection between Karl and Charles much more readily apparent.
Kerl essentially means just man, guy, husband.
Source: KERL, Fundstelle: Lfg. 3 (1865), Bd. V (1873), Sp. 570, Z. 13 („kerl“, in: Deutsches Wörterbuch von Jacob Grimm und Wilhelm Grimm, Erstbearbeitung (1854–1960), digitalisierte Version im Digitalen Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache, , )
Wikipedia has this as Churl for English. the name used often for kings comes from a very prominent bearer of that name: Karl der Große or Charlesmagne. Similar to Caesar or Augustus for Latin/Roman, ehr, caesars, that is: emperors.
Compare that to lord:
mid-13c., laverd, loverd, from Old English hlaford "master of a household, ruler, feudal lord, superior; husband," also "God," translating Latin dominus, Greek kyrios in the New Testament, Hebrew yahweh in the Old (though Old English dryhten was more frequent). Old English hlaford is a contraction of earlier hlafweard, literally "one who guards the loaves," from hlaf "bread, loaf" (see loaf (n.)) + weard "keeper, guardian" (from PIE root *wer- (3) "perceive, watch out for").
And again carl:
c. 1300, "bondsman; common man, man of low birth," from Old Norse karl "man (as opposed to "woman"), male, freeman," from Proto-Germanic *karlon- (source also of Dutch karel "a fellow," Old High German karl "a man, husband), the same base that produced Old English ceorl "man of low degree" (see churl) and the masc. proper name Carl.
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That connection is not likely. Kyrios has Indogermanic roots, of course, but old-low-Germanic kerl, previously charal, charel, charl, is much closer and makes the connection between Karl and Charles much more readily apparent.
Kerl essentially means just man, guy, husband.
Source: KERL, Fundstelle: Lfg. 3 (1865), Bd. V (1873), Sp. 570, Z. 13 („kerl“, in: Deutsches Wörterbuch von Jacob Grimm und Wilhelm Grimm, Erstbearbeitung (1854–1960), digitalisierte Version im Digitalen Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache, , )
Wikipedia has this as Churl for English. the name used often for kings comes from a very prominent bearer of that name: Karl der Große or Charlesmagne. Similar to Caesar or Augustus for Latin/Roman, ehr, caesars, that is: emperors.
Compare that to lord:
mid-13c., laverd, loverd, from Old English hlaford "master of a household, ruler, feudal lord, superior; husband," also "God," translating Latin dominus, Greek kyrios in the New Testament, Hebrew yahweh in the Old (though Old English dryhten was more frequent). Old English hlaford is a contraction of earlier hlafweard, literally "one who guards the loaves," from hlaf "bread, loaf" (see loaf (n.)) + weard "keeper, guardian" (from PIE root *wer- (3) "perceive, watch out for").
And again carl:
c. 1300, "bondsman; common man, man of low birth," from Old Norse karl "man (as opposed to "woman"), male, freeman," from Proto-Germanic *karlon- (source also of Dutch karel "a fellow," Old High German karl "a man, husband), the same base that produced Old English ceorl "man of low degree" (see churl) and the masc. proper name Carl.
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That connection is not likely. Kyrios has Indogermanic roots, of course, but old-low-Germanic kerl, previously charal, charel, charl, is much closer and makes the connection between Karl and Charles much more readily apparent.
Kerl essentially means just man, guy, husband.
Source: KERL, Fundstelle: Lfg. 3 (1865), Bd. V (1873), Sp. 570, Z. 13 („kerl“, in: Deutsches Wörterbuch von Jacob Grimm und Wilhelm Grimm, Erstbearbeitung (1854–1960), digitalisierte Version im Digitalen Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache, , )
Wikipedia has this as Churl for English. the name used often for kings comes from a very prominent bearer of that name: Karl der Große or Charlesmagne. Similar to Caesar or Augustus for Latin/Roman, ehr, caesars, that is: emperors.
Compare that to lord:
mid-13c., laverd, loverd, from Old English hlaford "master of a household, ruler, feudal lord, superior; husband," also "God," translating Latin dominus, Greek kyrios in the New Testament, Hebrew yahweh in the Old (though Old English dryhten was more frequent). Old English hlaford is a contraction of earlier hlafweard, literally "one who guards the loaves," from hlaf "bread, loaf" (see loaf (n.)) + weard "keeper, guardian" (from PIE root *wer- (3) "perceive, watch out for").
And again carl:
c. 1300, "bondsman; common man, man of low birth," from Old Norse karl "man (as opposed to "woman"), male, freeman," from Proto-Germanic *karlon- (source also of Dutch karel "a fellow," Old High German karl "a man, husband), the same base that produced Old English ceorl "man of low degree" (see churl) and the masc. proper name Carl.
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