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Does a creature provoke Opportunity Attacks while riding a carpet of flying?
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The carpet of flying says:
You can speak the carpet's command word as an action to make the carpet hover and fly. It moves according to your spoken directions, provided you are within 30 feet of it.
If a creature is riding this carpet and leaves the reach of an enemy creature, do they provoke an opportunity attack from them? Specifically, does using an action to command the carpet to move (which then moves you) count as using your action to move for the purposes of provoking an opportunity attack?
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The carpet of flying says:
You can speak the carpet's command word as an action to make the carpet hover and fly. It moves according to your spoken directions, provided you are within 30 feet of it.
If a creature is riding this carpet and leaves the reach of an enemy creature, do they provoke an opportunity attack from them? Specifically, does using an action to command the carpet to move (which then moves you) count as using your action to move for the purposes of provoking an opportunity attack?
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The carpet of flying says:
You can speak the carpet's command word as an action to make the carpet hover and fly. It moves according to your spoken directions, provided you are within 30 feet of it.
If a creature is riding this carpet and leaves the reach of an enemy creature, do they provoke an opportunity attack from them? Specifically, does using an action to command the carpet to move (which then moves you) count as using your action to move for the purposes of provoking an opportunity attack?
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The carpet of flying says:
You can speak the carpet's command word as an action to make the carpet hover and fly. It moves according to your spoken directions, provided you are within 30 feet of it.
If a creature is riding this carpet and leaves the reach of an enemy creature, do they provoke an opportunity attack from them? Specifically, does using an action to command the carpet to move (which then moves you) count as using your action to move for the purposes of provoking an opportunity attack?
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No, because the Action is not used to move
If you had to use your Action to make the carpet fly, then you definitely would provoke an opportunity attack, because you only avoid that when:
you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction. (PHB, p. 195)
However, the consensus is that a carpet of flying does not require your Action to move, but rather to activate. The spoken directions you deliver to it are not an action, but something you can do in your turn without spending any resources since:
Your turn can include a variety of flourishes that require neither your action nor your move.
You can communicate however you are able, through brief utterances and gestures, as you take your turn. (PHB, p. 190)
The Carpet Doesn't Provoke Opportunity Attacks Either
If you considered a carpet's rider to be "mounted" on the carpet, one might be tempted to make the argument that the carpet itself provokes an Opportunity Attack, and the rider would then be attackable as well since:
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you
or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
However, a carpet of flying is an item, not a creature. And the rules state:
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. (PHB, p. 195, bold added)
Thus the carpet does not provoke opportunity attacks itself.
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I like that you included the part that talk about talking as part of your turn. +1 all around.
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Thanks. I also wanted to point out (in a comment since it's not part of the answer) that this is less cheesy than it might sound. After all, most carpets have a flying speed of 60 feet or less, and a simple mounted riding horse can take the disengage action and still move that far in a round without its rider or it suffering Opportunity Attacks.
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Moving the carpet does not take an action and thus no opportunity attacks are provoked
You can speak the carpet's command word as an action to make the carpet hover and fly. It moves according to your spoken directions, provided you are within 30 feet of it.
The action and the command word are only to make activate the magic item, not to move it around.1 The second sentence says that all you have to do is speak and the carpet will move accordingly. Since no action cost is listed as being associated with these spoken directions it follows that no action of any kind is needed to perform them.
Thus, this situation falls into the last case outline by the rules for Opportunity Attacks which say:
You also don't provoke an opportunity attack when you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction.
Since the carpet is moving you without the rider using movement, action, or reaction then this is a clear case where the rules say that an OA is not provoked by the rider.
Note that the carpet cannot provoke OAs since it is an object (see the sidenote to this answer for more details on this) so it also does not get any OAs.
1 - Thanks @PlayPatrice for pointing this out to me in their answer and the comments to it.
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Cleaner answer than mine. I just realized I went off on a tangent.
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@PlayPatrice I thought about just kind of prodding you to pare it down a little but I didn't want to be pushy. To your credit you came up with the key piece of the puzzle that made the solution possible. I just thought the mount idea was a little too far afield for my tastes. However, I do think it is an interesting suggestion.
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No, (RAW) The creature has not moved, so does not provoke an attack of opportunity.
However, it can be argued that the carpet itself is subject to an attack of opportunity
The character uses a command word (action) to animate the object. Thereafter, moving the carpet is technically a free action (spoken words). They can move the carpet within 30 feet, without standing on the carpet, and they themselves move. This means the character can also stand on or off the carpet, not move, and cause the carpet to move.
After that you are into extended rules category.
- Treat the carpet as a moving platform (No AOA's against the carpet, no extended rules)
- Treat the carpet as a mount
In the first case, it's a moving platform. No Attacks of opportunity can be made against the carpet or the player so long as the player does not move on the carpet. This would be a RAW interpretation as there is no explicit evidence of a carpet being explicitly ruled into either an animated construct or mount.
A "Common Sense" interpretation could rule the carpet as a mount and be treated as an animated object. This would cause the carpet to act as a mount, following mounted combat rules. The interpretation is up to the DM. Note that with a large enough carpet, it would cost 5ft of movement to move from the front of the carpet to the back of the carpet (5ft x 7ft or larger).
With mounted combat, the rider isn't moving, and still has access to all of their movement as part of a move action, though mounting and dismounting requires a large expenditure of total movement. If using the mounted combat rules as an interpretation, the mount itself would incur an attack of opportunity if it moves out of a threatened space.
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
Also something else to consider from mounted combat:
If an effect moves your mount against its will while you're on it, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity saving throw or fall off the mount, landing prone in a space within 5 feet of it. If you're knocked prone while mounted, you must make the same saving throw.
From here we would need to determine the base stats of the carpet. One method would be to pull from the Animate Objects spell and treating it as a medium or large animated object. (HP: 40, AC: 13, Str: 10, Dex: 12 - Medium) / (Large - HP: 50, AC: 10, Str: 14, Dex: 10 - Large).
Overall - the rules are vague and you will need to work with the DM to work out the specifics of how to handle mounted flying carpet combat
Above was my suggestion on how to handle the extended implications. But to reiterate the core of you question - standing on the carpet and telling the carpet to move, does not expend the users move action.
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Note that the carpet of flying is an object and objects do not provoke OAs, only creatures. "You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach." So, I don't think it really can be argued that the carpet provokes at all.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
Animated objects created by the Animate Objects spell do incur attacks of opportunity. The carpet is an animated object. Does this mean a passive animal (draft horse) with no intention of attacking, does not provoke AOA's while mounted (since it can't attack while being ridden and controlled)? Either way I suggested it as an alternate interpretation. And clearly stated it as such. I do like your comment.
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Animated Objects are no longer objects when Animated - they turned into creatures by the spell. The Carpet of Flying does not call itself a creature.
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Okay, With what you guys have said, I will concede that there is no explicit statement that the carpet is an animated object. But is an object, it is animated by magic, and it is a construct (Moving, non-living thing). I would chalk this up to a "Common Sense" ruling. In this case the carpet is fulfilling all of the roles of a mount - and could be argued needs to follow the rules of mounted combat. I've clearly separated the ideas (moving platform VS Mounted) and given explanations of how to handle it if interpreted as mounted combat.
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@NautArch There are magic items that can become creatures upon activation, like the Figurine of Wondrous Power (DMG, p. 169). But that item states "f you use an action to speak the command word and throw the figurine to a point on the ground within 60 feet of you, the figurine becomes a living creature."
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No, because the Action is not used to move
If you had to use your Action to make the carpet fly, then you definitely would provoke an opportunity attack, because you only avoid that when:
you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction. (PHB, p. 195)
However, the consensus is that a carpet of flying does not require your Action to move, but rather to activate. The spoken directions you deliver to it are not an action, but something you can do in your turn without spending any resources since:
Your turn can include a variety of flourishes that require neither your action nor your move.
You can communicate however you are able, through brief utterances and gestures, as you take your turn. (PHB, p. 190)
The Carpet Doesn't Provoke Opportunity Attacks Either
If you considered a carpet's rider to be "mounted" on the carpet, one might be tempted to make the argument that the carpet itself provokes an Opportunity Attack, and the rider would then be attackable as well since:
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you
or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
However, a carpet of flying is an item, not a creature. And the rules state:
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. (PHB, p. 195, bold added)
Thus the carpet does not provoke opportunity attacks itself.
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I like that you included the part that talk about talking as part of your turn. +1 all around.
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Thanks. I also wanted to point out (in a comment since it's not part of the answer) that this is less cheesy than it might sound. After all, most carpets have a flying speed of 60 feet or less, and a simple mounted riding horse can take the disengage action and still move that far in a round without its rider or it suffering Opportunity Attacks.
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
(Of course, flying is pretty awesome, but by level 11 [minimum recommended level for a very rare magic item] a party could have plenty of ways of getting that into the mix.)
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No, because the Action is not used to move
If you had to use your Action to make the carpet fly, then you definitely would provoke an opportunity attack, because you only avoid that when:
you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction. (PHB, p. 195)
However, the consensus is that a carpet of flying does not require your Action to move, but rather to activate. The spoken directions you deliver to it are not an action, but something you can do in your turn without spending any resources since:
Your turn can include a variety of flourishes that require neither your action nor your move.
You can communicate however you are able, through brief utterances and gestures, as you take your turn. (PHB, p. 190)
The Carpet Doesn't Provoke Opportunity Attacks Either
If you considered a carpet's rider to be "mounted" on the carpet, one might be tempted to make the argument that the carpet itself provokes an Opportunity Attack, and the rider would then be attackable as well since:
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you
or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
However, a carpet of flying is an item, not a creature. And the rules state:
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. (PHB, p. 195, bold added)
Thus the carpet does not provoke opportunity attacks itself.
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I like that you included the part that talk about talking as part of your turn. +1 all around.
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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Thanks. I also wanted to point out (in a comment since it's not part of the answer) that this is less cheesy than it might sound. After all, most carpets have a flying speed of 60 feet or less, and a simple mounted riding horse can take the disengage action and still move that far in a round without its rider or it suffering Opportunity Attacks.
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
(Of course, flying is pretty awesome, but by level 11 [minimum recommended level for a very rare magic item] a party could have plenty of ways of getting that into the mix.)
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No, because the Action is not used to move
If you had to use your Action to make the carpet fly, then you definitely would provoke an opportunity attack, because you only avoid that when:
you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction. (PHB, p. 195)
However, the consensus is that a carpet of flying does not require your Action to move, but rather to activate. The spoken directions you deliver to it are not an action, but something you can do in your turn without spending any resources since:
Your turn can include a variety of flourishes that require neither your action nor your move.
You can communicate however you are able, through brief utterances and gestures, as you take your turn. (PHB, p. 190)
The Carpet Doesn't Provoke Opportunity Attacks Either
If you considered a carpet's rider to be "mounted" on the carpet, one might be tempted to make the argument that the carpet itself provokes an Opportunity Attack, and the rider would then be attackable as well since:
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you
or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
However, a carpet of flying is an item, not a creature. And the rules state:
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. (PHB, p. 195, bold added)
Thus the carpet does not provoke opportunity attacks itself.
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No, because the Action is not used to move
If you had to use your Action to make the carpet fly, then you definitely would provoke an opportunity attack, because you only avoid that when:
you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction. (PHB, p. 195)
However, the consensus is that a carpet of flying does not require your Action to move, but rather to activate. The spoken directions you deliver to it are not an action, but something you can do in your turn without spending any resources since:
Your turn can include a variety of flourishes that require neither your action nor your move.
You can communicate however you are able, through brief utterances and gestures, as you take your turn. (PHB, p. 190)
The Carpet Doesn't Provoke Opportunity Attacks Either
If you considered a carpet's rider to be "mounted" on the carpet, one might be tempted to make the argument that the carpet itself provokes an Opportunity Attack, and the rider would then be attackable as well since:
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you
or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
However, a carpet of flying is an item, not a creature. And the rules state:
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. (PHB, p. 195, bold added)
Thus the carpet does not provoke opportunity attacks itself.
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I like that you included the part that talk about talking as part of your turn. +1 all around.
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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Thanks. I also wanted to point out (in a comment since it's not part of the answer) that this is less cheesy than it might sound. After all, most carpets have a flying speed of 60 feet or less, and a simple mounted riding horse can take the disengage action and still move that far in a round without its rider or it suffering Opportunity Attacks.
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
(Of course, flying is pretty awesome, but by level 11 [minimum recommended level for a very rare magic item] a party could have plenty of ways of getting that into the mix.)
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I like that you included the part that talk about talking as part of your turn. +1 all around.
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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Thanks. I also wanted to point out (in a comment since it's not part of the answer) that this is less cheesy than it might sound. After all, most carpets have a flying speed of 60 feet or less, and a simple mounted riding horse can take the disengage action and still move that far in a round without its rider or it suffering Opportunity Attacks.
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
(Of course, flying is pretty awesome, but by level 11 [minimum recommended level for a very rare magic item] a party could have plenty of ways of getting that into the mix.)
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
I like that you included the part that talk about talking as part of your turn. +1 all around.
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
I like that you included the part that talk about talking as part of your turn. +1 all around.
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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Thanks. I also wanted to point out (in a comment since it's not part of the answer) that this is less cheesy than it might sound. After all, most carpets have a flying speed of 60 feet or less, and a simple mounted riding horse can take the disengage action and still move that far in a round without its rider or it suffering Opportunity Attacks.
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
Thanks. I also wanted to point out (in a comment since it's not part of the answer) that this is less cheesy than it might sound. After all, most carpets have a flying speed of 60 feet or less, and a simple mounted riding horse can take the disengage action and still move that far in a round without its rider or it suffering Opportunity Attacks.
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
(Of course, flying is pretty awesome, but by level 11 [minimum recommended level for a very rare magic item] a party could have plenty of ways of getting that into the mix.)
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
(Of course, flying is pretty awesome, but by level 11 [minimum recommended level for a very rare magic item] a party could have plenty of ways of getting that into the mix.)
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Moving the carpet does not take an action and thus no opportunity attacks are provoked
You can speak the carpet's command word as an action to make the carpet hover and fly. It moves according to your spoken directions, provided you are within 30 feet of it.
The action and the command word are only to make activate the magic item, not to move it around.1 The second sentence says that all you have to do is speak and the carpet will move accordingly. Since no action cost is listed as being associated with these spoken directions it follows that no action of any kind is needed to perform them.
Thus, this situation falls into the last case outline by the rules for Opportunity Attacks which say:
You also don't provoke an opportunity attack when you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction.
Since the carpet is moving you without the rider using movement, action, or reaction then this is a clear case where the rules say that an OA is not provoked by the rider.
Note that the carpet cannot provoke OAs since it is an object (see the sidenote to this answer for more details on this) so it also does not get any OAs.
1 - Thanks @PlayPatrice for pointing this out to me in their answer and the comments to it.
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Cleaner answer than mine. I just realized I went off on a tangent.
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@PlayPatrice I thought about just kind of prodding you to pare it down a little but I didn't want to be pushy. To your credit you came up with the key piece of the puzzle that made the solution possible. I just thought the mount idea was a little too far afield for my tastes. However, I do think it is an interesting suggestion.
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Moving the carpet does not take an action and thus no opportunity attacks are provoked
You can speak the carpet's command word as an action to make the carpet hover and fly. It moves according to your spoken directions, provided you are within 30 feet of it.
The action and the command word are only to make activate the magic item, not to move it around.1 The second sentence says that all you have to do is speak and the carpet will move accordingly. Since no action cost is listed as being associated with these spoken directions it follows that no action of any kind is needed to perform them.
Thus, this situation falls into the last case outline by the rules for Opportunity Attacks which say:
You also don't provoke an opportunity attack when you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction.
Since the carpet is moving you without the rider using movement, action, or reaction then this is a clear case where the rules say that an OA is not provoked by the rider.
Note that the carpet cannot provoke OAs since it is an object (see the sidenote to this answer for more details on this) so it also does not get any OAs.
1 - Thanks @PlayPatrice for pointing this out to me in their answer and the comments to it.
answered 1 hour ago
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Cleaner answer than mine. I just realized I went off on a tangent.
– Play Patrice
1 hour ago
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@PlayPatrice I thought about just kind of prodding you to pare it down a little but I didn't want to be pushy. To your credit you came up with the key piece of the puzzle that made the solution possible. I just thought the mount idea was a little too far afield for my tastes. However, I do think it is an interesting suggestion.
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Moving the carpet does not take an action and thus no opportunity attacks are provoked
You can speak the carpet's command word as an action to make the carpet hover and fly. It moves according to your spoken directions, provided you are within 30 feet of it.
The action and the command word are only to make activate the magic item, not to move it around.1 The second sentence says that all you have to do is speak and the carpet will move accordingly. Since no action cost is listed as being associated with these spoken directions it follows that no action of any kind is needed to perform them.
Thus, this situation falls into the last case outline by the rules for Opportunity Attacks which say:
You also don't provoke an opportunity attack when you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction.
Since the carpet is moving you without the rider using movement, action, or reaction then this is a clear case where the rules say that an OA is not provoked by the rider.
Note that the carpet cannot provoke OAs since it is an object (see the sidenote to this answer for more details on this) so it also does not get any OAs.
1 - Thanks @PlayPatrice for pointing this out to me in their answer and the comments to it.
answered 1 hour ago
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Moving the carpet does not take an action and thus no opportunity attacks are provoked
You can speak the carpet's command word as an action to make the carpet hover and fly. It moves according to your spoken directions, provided you are within 30 feet of it.
The action and the command word are only to make activate the magic item, not to move it around.1 The second sentence says that all you have to do is speak and the carpet will move accordingly. Since no action cost is listed as being associated with these spoken directions it follows that no action of any kind is needed to perform them.
Thus, this situation falls into the last case outline by the rules for Opportunity Attacks which say:
You also don't provoke an opportunity attack when you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction.
Since the carpet is moving you without the rider using movement, action, or reaction then this is a clear case where the rules say that an OA is not provoked by the rider.
Note that the carpet cannot provoke OAs since it is an object (see the sidenote to this answer for more details on this) so it also does not get any OAs.
1 - Thanks @PlayPatrice for pointing this out to me in their answer and the comments to it.
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Cleaner answer than mine. I just realized I went off on a tangent.
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@PlayPatrice I thought about just kind of prodding you to pare it down a little but I didn't want to be pushy. To your credit you came up with the key piece of the puzzle that made the solution possible. I just thought the mount idea was a little too far afield for my tastes. However, I do think it is an interesting suggestion.
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Cleaner answer than mine. I just realized I went off on a tangent.
– Play Patrice
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@PlayPatrice I thought about just kind of prodding you to pare it down a little but I didn't want to be pushy. To your credit you came up with the key piece of the puzzle that made the solution possible. I just thought the mount idea was a little too far afield for my tastes. However, I do think it is an interesting suggestion.
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
Cleaner answer than mine. I just realized I went off on a tangent.
– Play Patrice
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Cleaner answer than mine. I just realized I went off on a tangent.
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@PlayPatrice I thought about just kind of prodding you to pare it down a little but I didn't want to be pushy. To your credit you came up with the key piece of the puzzle that made the solution possible. I just thought the mount idea was a little too far afield for my tastes. However, I do think it is an interesting suggestion.
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
@PlayPatrice I thought about just kind of prodding you to pare it down a little but I didn't want to be pushy. To your credit you came up with the key piece of the puzzle that made the solution possible. I just thought the mount idea was a little too far afield for my tastes. However, I do think it is an interesting suggestion.
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No, (RAW) The creature has not moved, so does not provoke an attack of opportunity.
However, it can be argued that the carpet itself is subject to an attack of opportunity
The character uses a command word (action) to animate the object. Thereafter, moving the carpet is technically a free action (spoken words). They can move the carpet within 30 feet, without standing on the carpet, and they themselves move. This means the character can also stand on or off the carpet, not move, and cause the carpet to move.
After that you are into extended rules category.
- Treat the carpet as a moving platform (No AOA's against the carpet, no extended rules)
- Treat the carpet as a mount
In the first case, it's a moving platform. No Attacks of opportunity can be made against the carpet or the player so long as the player does not move on the carpet. This would be a RAW interpretation as there is no explicit evidence of a carpet being explicitly ruled into either an animated construct or mount.
A "Common Sense" interpretation could rule the carpet as a mount and be treated as an animated object. This would cause the carpet to act as a mount, following mounted combat rules. The interpretation is up to the DM. Note that with a large enough carpet, it would cost 5ft of movement to move from the front of the carpet to the back of the carpet (5ft x 7ft or larger).
With mounted combat, the rider isn't moving, and still has access to all of their movement as part of a move action, though mounting and dismounting requires a large expenditure of total movement. If using the mounted combat rules as an interpretation, the mount itself would incur an attack of opportunity if it moves out of a threatened space.
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
Also something else to consider from mounted combat:
If an effect moves your mount against its will while you're on it, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity saving throw or fall off the mount, landing prone in a space within 5 feet of it. If you're knocked prone while mounted, you must make the same saving throw.
From here we would need to determine the base stats of the carpet. One method would be to pull from the Animate Objects spell and treating it as a medium or large animated object. (HP: 40, AC: 13, Str: 10, Dex: 12 - Medium) / (Large - HP: 50, AC: 10, Str: 14, Dex: 10 - Large).
Overall - the rules are vague and you will need to work with the DM to work out the specifics of how to handle mounted flying carpet combat
Above was my suggestion on how to handle the extended implications. But to reiterate the core of you question - standing on the carpet and telling the carpet to move, does not expend the users move action.
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Note that the carpet of flying is an object and objects do not provoke OAs, only creatures. "You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach." So, I don't think it really can be argued that the carpet provokes at all.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
Animated objects created by the Animate Objects spell do incur attacks of opportunity. The carpet is an animated object. Does this mean a passive animal (draft horse) with no intention of attacking, does not provoke AOA's while mounted (since it can't attack while being ridden and controlled)? Either way I suggested it as an alternate interpretation. And clearly stated it as such. I do like your comment.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
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Animated Objects are no longer objects when Animated - they turned into creatures by the spell. The Carpet of Flying does not call itself a creature.
– NautArch
2 hours ago
1
Okay, With what you guys have said, I will concede that there is no explicit statement that the carpet is an animated object. But is an object, it is animated by magic, and it is a construct (Moving, non-living thing). I would chalk this up to a "Common Sense" ruling. In this case the carpet is fulfilling all of the roles of a mount - and could be argued needs to follow the rules of mounted combat. I've clearly separated the ideas (moving platform VS Mounted) and given explanations of how to handle it if interpreted as mounted combat.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
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@NautArch There are magic items that can become creatures upon activation, like the Figurine of Wondrous Power (DMG, p. 169). But that item states "f you use an action to speak the command word and throw the figurine to a point on the ground within 60 feet of you, the figurine becomes a living creature."
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No, (RAW) The creature has not moved, so does not provoke an attack of opportunity.
However, it can be argued that the carpet itself is subject to an attack of opportunity
The character uses a command word (action) to animate the object. Thereafter, moving the carpet is technically a free action (spoken words). They can move the carpet within 30 feet, without standing on the carpet, and they themselves move. This means the character can also stand on or off the carpet, not move, and cause the carpet to move.
After that you are into extended rules category.
- Treat the carpet as a moving platform (No AOA's against the carpet, no extended rules)
- Treat the carpet as a mount
In the first case, it's a moving platform. No Attacks of opportunity can be made against the carpet or the player so long as the player does not move on the carpet. This would be a RAW interpretation as there is no explicit evidence of a carpet being explicitly ruled into either an animated construct or mount.
A "Common Sense" interpretation could rule the carpet as a mount and be treated as an animated object. This would cause the carpet to act as a mount, following mounted combat rules. The interpretation is up to the DM. Note that with a large enough carpet, it would cost 5ft of movement to move from the front of the carpet to the back of the carpet (5ft x 7ft or larger).
With mounted combat, the rider isn't moving, and still has access to all of their movement as part of a move action, though mounting and dismounting requires a large expenditure of total movement. If using the mounted combat rules as an interpretation, the mount itself would incur an attack of opportunity if it moves out of a threatened space.
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
Also something else to consider from mounted combat:
If an effect moves your mount against its will while you're on it, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity saving throw or fall off the mount, landing prone in a space within 5 feet of it. If you're knocked prone while mounted, you must make the same saving throw.
From here we would need to determine the base stats of the carpet. One method would be to pull from the Animate Objects spell and treating it as a medium or large animated object. (HP: 40, AC: 13, Str: 10, Dex: 12 - Medium) / (Large - HP: 50, AC: 10, Str: 14, Dex: 10 - Large).
Overall - the rules are vague and you will need to work with the DM to work out the specifics of how to handle mounted flying carpet combat
Above was my suggestion on how to handle the extended implications. But to reiterate the core of you question - standing on the carpet and telling the carpet to move, does not expend the users move action.
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Note that the carpet of flying is an object and objects do not provoke OAs, only creatures. "You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach." So, I don't think it really can be argued that the carpet provokes at all.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
Animated objects created by the Animate Objects spell do incur attacks of opportunity. The carpet is an animated object. Does this mean a passive animal (draft horse) with no intention of attacking, does not provoke AOA's while mounted (since it can't attack while being ridden and controlled)? Either way I suggested it as an alternate interpretation. And clearly stated it as such. I do like your comment.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
2
Animated Objects are no longer objects when Animated - they turned into creatures by the spell. The Carpet of Flying does not call itself a creature.
– NautArch
2 hours ago
1
Okay, With what you guys have said, I will concede that there is no explicit statement that the carpet is an animated object. But is an object, it is animated by magic, and it is a construct (Moving, non-living thing). I would chalk this up to a "Common Sense" ruling. In this case the carpet is fulfilling all of the roles of a mount - and could be argued needs to follow the rules of mounted combat. I've clearly separated the ideas (moving platform VS Mounted) and given explanations of how to handle it if interpreted as mounted combat.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
1
@NautArch There are magic items that can become creatures upon activation, like the Figurine of Wondrous Power (DMG, p. 169). But that item states "f you use an action to speak the command word and throw the figurine to a point on the ground within 60 feet of you, the figurine becomes a living creature."
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
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No, (RAW) The creature has not moved, so does not provoke an attack of opportunity.
However, it can be argued that the carpet itself is subject to an attack of opportunity
The character uses a command word (action) to animate the object. Thereafter, moving the carpet is technically a free action (spoken words). They can move the carpet within 30 feet, without standing on the carpet, and they themselves move. This means the character can also stand on or off the carpet, not move, and cause the carpet to move.
After that you are into extended rules category.
- Treat the carpet as a moving platform (No AOA's against the carpet, no extended rules)
- Treat the carpet as a mount
In the first case, it's a moving platform. No Attacks of opportunity can be made against the carpet or the player so long as the player does not move on the carpet. This would be a RAW interpretation as there is no explicit evidence of a carpet being explicitly ruled into either an animated construct or mount.
A "Common Sense" interpretation could rule the carpet as a mount and be treated as an animated object. This would cause the carpet to act as a mount, following mounted combat rules. The interpretation is up to the DM. Note that with a large enough carpet, it would cost 5ft of movement to move from the front of the carpet to the back of the carpet (5ft x 7ft or larger).
With mounted combat, the rider isn't moving, and still has access to all of their movement as part of a move action, though mounting and dismounting requires a large expenditure of total movement. If using the mounted combat rules as an interpretation, the mount itself would incur an attack of opportunity if it moves out of a threatened space.
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
Also something else to consider from mounted combat:
If an effect moves your mount against its will while you're on it, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity saving throw or fall off the mount, landing prone in a space within 5 feet of it. If you're knocked prone while mounted, you must make the same saving throw.
From here we would need to determine the base stats of the carpet. One method would be to pull from the Animate Objects spell and treating it as a medium or large animated object. (HP: 40, AC: 13, Str: 10, Dex: 12 - Medium) / (Large - HP: 50, AC: 10, Str: 14, Dex: 10 - Large).
Overall - the rules are vague and you will need to work with the DM to work out the specifics of how to handle mounted flying carpet combat
Above was my suggestion on how to handle the extended implications. But to reiterate the core of you question - standing on the carpet and telling the carpet to move, does not expend the users move action.
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No, (RAW) The creature has not moved, so does not provoke an attack of opportunity.
However, it can be argued that the carpet itself is subject to an attack of opportunity
The character uses a command word (action) to animate the object. Thereafter, moving the carpet is technically a free action (spoken words). They can move the carpet within 30 feet, without standing on the carpet, and they themselves move. This means the character can also stand on or off the carpet, not move, and cause the carpet to move.
After that you are into extended rules category.
- Treat the carpet as a moving platform (No AOA's against the carpet, no extended rules)
- Treat the carpet as a mount
In the first case, it's a moving platform. No Attacks of opportunity can be made against the carpet or the player so long as the player does not move on the carpet. This would be a RAW interpretation as there is no explicit evidence of a carpet being explicitly ruled into either an animated construct or mount.
A "Common Sense" interpretation could rule the carpet as a mount and be treated as an animated object. This would cause the carpet to act as a mount, following mounted combat rules. The interpretation is up to the DM. Note that with a large enough carpet, it would cost 5ft of movement to move from the front of the carpet to the back of the carpet (5ft x 7ft or larger).
With mounted combat, the rider isn't moving, and still has access to all of their movement as part of a move action, though mounting and dismounting requires a large expenditure of total movement. If using the mounted combat rules as an interpretation, the mount itself would incur an attack of opportunity if it moves out of a threatened space.
if the mount provokes an opportunity attack while you’re on it, the attacker can target you or the mount. (PHB, p. 198)
Also something else to consider from mounted combat:
If an effect moves your mount against its will while you're on it, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity saving throw or fall off the mount, landing prone in a space within 5 feet of it. If you're knocked prone while mounted, you must make the same saving throw.
From here we would need to determine the base stats of the carpet. One method would be to pull from the Animate Objects spell and treating it as a medium or large animated object. (HP: 40, AC: 13, Str: 10, Dex: 12 - Medium) / (Large - HP: 50, AC: 10, Str: 14, Dex: 10 - Large).
Overall - the rules are vague and you will need to work with the DM to work out the specifics of how to handle mounted flying carpet combat
Above was my suggestion on how to handle the extended implications. But to reiterate the core of you question - standing on the carpet and telling the carpet to move, does not expend the users move action.
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Note that the carpet of flying is an object and objects do not provoke OAs, only creatures. "You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach." So, I don't think it really can be argued that the carpet provokes at all.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
Animated objects created by the Animate Objects spell do incur attacks of opportunity. The carpet is an animated object. Does this mean a passive animal (draft horse) with no intention of attacking, does not provoke AOA's while mounted (since it can't attack while being ridden and controlled)? Either way I suggested it as an alternate interpretation. And clearly stated it as such. I do like your comment.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
2
Animated Objects are no longer objects when Animated - they turned into creatures by the spell. The Carpet of Flying does not call itself a creature.
– NautArch
2 hours ago
1
Okay, With what you guys have said, I will concede that there is no explicit statement that the carpet is an animated object. But is an object, it is animated by magic, and it is a construct (Moving, non-living thing). I would chalk this up to a "Common Sense" ruling. In this case the carpet is fulfilling all of the roles of a mount - and could be argued needs to follow the rules of mounted combat. I've clearly separated the ideas (moving platform VS Mounted) and given explanations of how to handle it if interpreted as mounted combat.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
1
@NautArch There are magic items that can become creatures upon activation, like the Figurine of Wondrous Power (DMG, p. 169). But that item states "f you use an action to speak the command word and throw the figurine to a point on the ground within 60 feet of you, the figurine becomes a living creature."
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
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Note that the carpet of flying is an object and objects do not provoke OAs, only creatures. "You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach." So, I don't think it really can be argued that the carpet provokes at all.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
Animated objects created by the Animate Objects spell do incur attacks of opportunity. The carpet is an animated object. Does this mean a passive animal (draft horse) with no intention of attacking, does not provoke AOA's while mounted (since it can't attack while being ridden and controlled)? Either way I suggested it as an alternate interpretation. And clearly stated it as such. I do like your comment.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
2
Animated Objects are no longer objects when Animated - they turned into creatures by the spell. The Carpet of Flying does not call itself a creature.
– NautArch
2 hours ago
1
Okay, With what you guys have said, I will concede that there is no explicit statement that the carpet is an animated object. But is an object, it is animated by magic, and it is a construct (Moving, non-living thing). I would chalk this up to a "Common Sense" ruling. In this case the carpet is fulfilling all of the roles of a mount - and could be argued needs to follow the rules of mounted combat. I've clearly separated the ideas (moving platform VS Mounted) and given explanations of how to handle it if interpreted as mounted combat.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
1
@NautArch There are magic items that can become creatures upon activation, like the Figurine of Wondrous Power (DMG, p. 169). But that item states "f you use an action to speak the command word and throw the figurine to a point on the ground within 60 feet of you, the figurine becomes a living creature."
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
3
3
Note that the carpet of flying is an object and objects do not provoke OAs, only creatures. "You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach." So, I don't think it really can be argued that the carpet provokes at all.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
Note that the carpet of flying is an object and objects do not provoke OAs, only creatures. "You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach." So, I don't think it really can be argued that the carpet provokes at all.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
Animated objects created by the Animate Objects spell do incur attacks of opportunity. The carpet is an animated object. Does this mean a passive animal (draft horse) with no intention of attacking, does not provoke AOA's while mounted (since it can't attack while being ridden and controlled)? Either way I suggested it as an alternate interpretation. And clearly stated it as such. I do like your comment.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
Animated objects created by the Animate Objects spell do incur attacks of opportunity. The carpet is an animated object. Does this mean a passive animal (draft horse) with no intention of attacking, does not provoke AOA's while mounted (since it can't attack while being ridden and controlled)? Either way I suggested it as an alternate interpretation. And clearly stated it as such. I do like your comment.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
2
2
Animated Objects are no longer objects when Animated - they turned into creatures by the spell. The Carpet of Flying does not call itself a creature.
– NautArch
2 hours ago
Animated Objects are no longer objects when Animated - they turned into creatures by the spell. The Carpet of Flying does not call itself a creature.
– NautArch
2 hours ago
1
1
Okay, With what you guys have said, I will concede that there is no explicit statement that the carpet is an animated object. But is an object, it is animated by magic, and it is a construct (Moving, non-living thing). I would chalk this up to a "Common Sense" ruling. In this case the carpet is fulfilling all of the roles of a mount - and could be argued needs to follow the rules of mounted combat. I've clearly separated the ideas (moving platform VS Mounted) and given explanations of how to handle it if interpreted as mounted combat.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
Okay, With what you guys have said, I will concede that there is no explicit statement that the carpet is an animated object. But is an object, it is animated by magic, and it is a construct (Moving, non-living thing). I would chalk this up to a "Common Sense" ruling. In this case the carpet is fulfilling all of the roles of a mount - and could be argued needs to follow the rules of mounted combat. I've clearly separated the ideas (moving platform VS Mounted) and given explanations of how to handle it if interpreted as mounted combat.
– Play Patrice
2 hours ago
1
1
@NautArch There are magic items that can become creatures upon activation, like the Figurine of Wondrous Power (DMG, p. 169). But that item states "f you use an action to speak the command word and throw the figurine to a point on the ground within 60 feet of you, the figurine becomes a living creature."
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
@NautArch There are magic items that can become creatures upon activation, like the Figurine of Wondrous Power (DMG, p. 169). But that item states "f you use an action to speak the command word and throw the figurine to a point on the ground within 60 feet of you, the figurine becomes a living creature."
– Gandalfmeansme
1 hour ago
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