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Does the Boon of Spell Mastery benefit someone with Magic Initiate but no spell slots?
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As a Fighter with an above-average Intelligence score, I've chosen to take the Magic Initiate feat (PHB, p. 168), and as my 1st-level wizard spell, I've chosen to learn burning hands, which I'm now able to cast once per day as if I were a Wizard. This fulfills the requirements specified by the Boon of Spell Mastery (DMG, p. 232), which reads:
Choose one 1st-level sorcerer, warlock, or wizard spell that you can cast. You can now cast that spell at its lowest level without expending a spell slot.
But there's a snag, in the fact that this fighter does not have spell slots to begin with—they are not an Eldritch Knight, and no part of the Magic Initiate feat specifies that they gain any spell slots. They weren't casting burning hands using a spell slot in the first place, so saying they "can now cast burning hands without a spell slot" doesn't mean anything.
Does this Boon benefit this character at all or is it useless to them?
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As a Fighter with an above-average Intelligence score, I've chosen to take the Magic Initiate feat (PHB, p. 168), and as my 1st-level wizard spell, I've chosen to learn burning hands, which I'm now able to cast once per day as if I were a Wizard. This fulfills the requirements specified by the Boon of Spell Mastery (DMG, p. 232), which reads:
Choose one 1st-level sorcerer, warlock, or wizard spell that you can cast. You can now cast that spell at its lowest level without expending a spell slot.
But there's a snag, in the fact that this fighter does not have spell slots to begin with—they are not an Eldritch Knight, and no part of the Magic Initiate feat specifies that they gain any spell slots. They weren't casting burning hands using a spell slot in the first place, so saying they "can now cast burning hands without a spell slot" doesn't mean anything.
Does this Boon benefit this character at all or is it useless to them?
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As a Fighter with an above-average Intelligence score, I've chosen to take the Magic Initiate feat (PHB, p. 168), and as my 1st-level wizard spell, I've chosen to learn burning hands, which I'm now able to cast once per day as if I were a Wizard. This fulfills the requirements specified by the Boon of Spell Mastery (DMG, p. 232), which reads:
Choose one 1st-level sorcerer, warlock, or wizard spell that you can cast. You can now cast that spell at its lowest level without expending a spell slot.
But there's a snag, in the fact that this fighter does not have spell slots to begin with—they are not an Eldritch Knight, and no part of the Magic Initiate feat specifies that they gain any spell slots. They weren't casting burning hands using a spell slot in the first place, so saying they "can now cast burning hands without a spell slot" doesn't mean anything.
Does this Boon benefit this character at all or is it useless to them?
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edited 24 mins ago
V2Blast
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asked 4 hours ago
Xirema
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As a Fighter with an above-average Intelligence score, I've chosen to take the Magic Initiate feat (PHB, p. 168), and as my 1st-level wizard spell, I've chosen to learn burning hands, which I'm now able to cast once per day as if I were a Wizard. This fulfills the requirements specified by the Boon of Spell Mastery (DMG, p. 232), which reads:
Choose one 1st-level sorcerer, warlock, or wizard spell that you can cast. You can now cast that spell at its lowest level without expending a spell slot.
But there's a snag, in the fact that this fighter does not have spell slots to begin with—they are not an Eldritch Knight, and no part of the Magic Initiate feat specifies that they gain any spell slots. They weren't casting burning hands using a spell slot in the first place, so saying they "can now cast burning hands without a spell slot" doesn't mean anything.
Does this Boon benefit this character at all or is it useless to them?
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dnd-5e spells feats epic-tier
edited 24 mins ago
V2Blast
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asked 4 hours ago
Xirema
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edited 24 mins ago
V2Blast
17.5k246110
asked 4 hours ago
Xirema
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edited 24 mins ago
V2Blast
17.5k246110
edited 24 mins ago
V2Blast
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edited 24 mins ago
V2Blast
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The character would benefit from the boon
Magic Initiate says:
[C]hoose one 1st-level spell from the [class's] spell list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
As you correctly say, Magic Initiate does not grant you spell slots, only (from this bullit) the ability to cast a single spell. So, you are already casting this spell without using up a spell slot. However, Magic Initiate only allows you to cast the spell once per long rest. Upon receiving the boon, you would be able to cast it as many times as you wanted. So there would be a benefit there.
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@Ruse it isn't a requirement at all (I didn't address requirements at all on my answer since it wasn't part of the question). The DM is free to bestow it on the fighter. My point is though that the fighter will receive no benefit from it at all. Does that make sense? If I can make it clearer please let me know.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
It's unclear to me why there is no benefit. Being able to a spell without spellslots (with the boon) is way more beneficial than being able to cast a spell without spellslots once per day (with just the feat).
– Ruse
2 hours ago
@Ruse Very good point! That was because I had overlooked that. I have updated my answer.
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Epic Boons - like the Boon of Spell Mastery - do not have any more complicated requirements than are indicated in each boon. Your Fighter's ability to cast Burning Hands is sufficient that they should then be able to qualify to take Boon of Spell Mastery upon exceeding 20th level by 3,000 XP.
All that said, Epic Boons are very directly to be given to a character at the DM's discretion and only with their approval, should the DM allow you to choose which Epic Boon you want. If the boon does not fit thematically (can you really be a Spell Master without having spell slots?) they are well within their rights to assign you a different boon, perhaps something like Combat Prowess more fitting for the character.
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The question isn't about whether they "qualify" to take the boon, nor whether it's a good idea for them to take it (or for a DM to offer it), it's about examining whether said character can actually benefit from said boon, even if it has been granted to them.
– Xirema
4 hours ago
This doesn't answer the question at all. Check it now that the wording has been tweaked to see if it makes more sense to you.
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2 Answers
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The character would benefit from the boon
Magic Initiate says:
[C]hoose one 1st-level spell from the [class's] spell list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
As you correctly say, Magic Initiate does not grant you spell slots, only (from this bullit) the ability to cast a single spell. So, you are already casting this spell without using up a spell slot. However, Magic Initiate only allows you to cast the spell once per long rest. Upon receiving the boon, you would be able to cast it as many times as you wanted. So there would be a benefit there.
answered 2 hours ago
Rubiksmoose
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@Ruse it isn't a requirement at all (I didn't address requirements at all on my answer since it wasn't part of the question). The DM is free to bestow it on the fighter. My point is though that the fighter will receive no benefit from it at all. Does that make sense? If I can make it clearer please let me know.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
It's unclear to me why there is no benefit. Being able to a spell without spellslots (with the boon) is way more beneficial than being able to cast a spell without spellslots once per day (with just the feat).
– Ruse
2 hours ago
@Ruse Very good point! That was because I had overlooked that. I have updated my answer.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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up vote
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The character would benefit from the boon
Magic Initiate says:
[C]hoose one 1st-level spell from the [class's] spell list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
As you correctly say, Magic Initiate does not grant you spell slots, only (from this bullit) the ability to cast a single spell. So, you are already casting this spell without using up a spell slot. However, Magic Initiate only allows you to cast the spell once per long rest. Upon receiving the boon, you would be able to cast it as many times as you wanted. So there would be a benefit there.
answered 2 hours ago
Rubiksmoose
40.9k5203310
@Ruse it isn't a requirement at all (I didn't address requirements at all on my answer since it wasn't part of the question). The DM is free to bestow it on the fighter. My point is though that the fighter will receive no benefit from it at all. Does that make sense? If I can make it clearer please let me know.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
It's unclear to me why there is no benefit. Being able to a spell without spellslots (with the boon) is way more beneficial than being able to cast a spell without spellslots once per day (with just the feat).
– Ruse
2 hours ago
@Ruse Very good point! That was because I had overlooked that. I have updated my answer.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
7
down vote
up vote
7
down vote
The character would benefit from the boon
Magic Initiate says:
[C]hoose one 1st-level spell from the [class's] spell list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
As you correctly say, Magic Initiate does not grant you spell slots, only (from this bullit) the ability to cast a single spell. So, you are already casting this spell without using up a spell slot. However, Magic Initiate only allows you to cast the spell once per long rest. Upon receiving the boon, you would be able to cast it as many times as you wanted. So there would be a benefit there.
answered 2 hours ago
Rubiksmoose
40.9k5203310
The character would benefit from the boon
Magic Initiate says:
[C]hoose one 1st-level spell from the [class's] spell list. You learn that spell and can cast it at its lowest level. Once you cast it, you must finish a long rest before you can cast it again using this feat.
As you correctly say, Magic Initiate does not grant you spell slots, only (from this bullit) the ability to cast a single spell. So, you are already casting this spell without using up a spell slot. However, Magic Initiate only allows you to cast the spell once per long rest. Upon receiving the boon, you would be able to cast it as many times as you wanted. So there would be a benefit there.
answered 2 hours ago
Rubiksmoose
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edited 2 hours ago
answered 2 hours ago
Rubiksmoose
40.9k5203310
answered 2 hours ago
Rubiksmoose
40.9k5203310
answered 2 hours ago
Rubiksmoose
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40.9k5203310
@Ruse it isn't a requirement at all (I didn't address requirements at all on my answer since it wasn't part of the question). The DM is free to bestow it on the fighter. My point is though that the fighter will receive no benefit from it at all. Does that make sense? If I can make it clearer please let me know.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
It's unclear to me why there is no benefit. Being able to a spell without spellslots (with the boon) is way more beneficial than being able to cast a spell without spellslots once per day (with just the feat).
– Ruse
2 hours ago
@Ruse Very good point! That was because I had overlooked that. I have updated my answer.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
@Ruse it isn't a requirement at all (I didn't address requirements at all on my answer since it wasn't part of the question). The DM is free to bestow it on the fighter. My point is though that the fighter will receive no benefit from it at all. Does that make sense? If I can make it clearer please let me know.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
It's unclear to me why there is no benefit. Being able to a spell without spellslots (with the boon) is way more beneficial than being able to cast a spell without spellslots once per day (with just the feat).
– Ruse
2 hours ago
@Ruse Very good point! That was because I had overlooked that. I have updated my answer.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
@Ruse it isn't a requirement at all (I didn't address requirements at all on my answer since it wasn't part of the question). The DM is free to bestow it on the fighter. My point is though that the fighter will receive no benefit from it at all. Does that make sense? If I can make it clearer please let me know.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
@Ruse it isn't a requirement at all (I didn't address requirements at all on my answer since it wasn't part of the question). The DM is free to bestow it on the fighter. My point is though that the fighter will receive no benefit from it at all. Does that make sense? If I can make it clearer please let me know.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
It's unclear to me why there is no benefit. Being able to a spell without spellslots (with the boon) is way more beneficial than being able to cast a spell without spellslots once per day (with just the feat).
– Ruse
2 hours ago
It's unclear to me why there is no benefit. Being able to a spell without spellslots (with the boon) is way more beneficial than being able to cast a spell without spellslots once per day (with just the feat).
– Ruse
2 hours ago
@Ruse Very good point! That was because I had overlooked that. I have updated my answer.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
@Ruse Very good point! That was because I had overlooked that. I have updated my answer.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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Epic Boons - like the Boon of Spell Mastery - do not have any more complicated requirements than are indicated in each boon. Your Fighter's ability to cast Burning Hands is sufficient that they should then be able to qualify to take Boon of Spell Mastery upon exceeding 20th level by 3,000 XP.
All that said, Epic Boons are very directly to be given to a character at the DM's discretion and only with their approval, should the DM allow you to choose which Epic Boon you want. If the boon does not fit thematically (can you really be a Spell Master without having spell slots?) they are well within their rights to assign you a different boon, perhaps something like Combat Prowess more fitting for the character.
answered 4 hours ago
Weaveworker89
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The question isn't about whether they "qualify" to take the boon, nor whether it's a good idea for them to take it (or for a DM to offer it), it's about examining whether said character can actually benefit from said boon, even if it has been granted to them.
– Xirema
4 hours ago
This doesn't answer the question at all. Check it now that the wording has been tweaked to see if it makes more sense to you.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Epic Boons - like the Boon of Spell Mastery - do not have any more complicated requirements than are indicated in each boon. Your Fighter's ability to cast Burning Hands is sufficient that they should then be able to qualify to take Boon of Spell Mastery upon exceeding 20th level by 3,000 XP.
All that said, Epic Boons are very directly to be given to a character at the DM's discretion and only with their approval, should the DM allow you to choose which Epic Boon you want. If the boon does not fit thematically (can you really be a Spell Master without having spell slots?) they are well within their rights to assign you a different boon, perhaps something like Combat Prowess more fitting for the character.
answered 4 hours ago
Weaveworker89
2,09821425
3
The question isn't about whether they "qualify" to take the boon, nor whether it's a good idea for them to take it (or for a DM to offer it), it's about examining whether said character can actually benefit from said boon, even if it has been granted to them.
– Xirema
4 hours ago
This doesn't answer the question at all. Check it now that the wording has been tweaked to see if it makes more sense to you.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Epic Boons - like the Boon of Spell Mastery - do not have any more complicated requirements than are indicated in each boon. Your Fighter's ability to cast Burning Hands is sufficient that they should then be able to qualify to take Boon of Spell Mastery upon exceeding 20th level by 3,000 XP.
All that said, Epic Boons are very directly to be given to a character at the DM's discretion and only with their approval, should the DM allow you to choose which Epic Boon you want. If the boon does not fit thematically (can you really be a Spell Master without having spell slots?) they are well within their rights to assign you a different boon, perhaps something like Combat Prowess more fitting for the character.
answered 4 hours ago
Weaveworker89
2,09821425
Epic Boons - like the Boon of Spell Mastery - do not have any more complicated requirements than are indicated in each boon. Your Fighter's ability to cast Burning Hands is sufficient that they should then be able to qualify to take Boon of Spell Mastery upon exceeding 20th level by 3,000 XP.
All that said, Epic Boons are very directly to be given to a character at the DM's discretion and only with their approval, should the DM allow you to choose which Epic Boon you want. If the boon does not fit thematically (can you really be a Spell Master without having spell slots?) they are well within their rights to assign you a different boon, perhaps something like Combat Prowess more fitting for the character.
answered 4 hours ago
Weaveworker89
2,09821425
answered 4 hours ago
Weaveworker89
2,09821425
answered 4 hours ago
Weaveworker89
2,09821425
answered 4 hours ago
Weaveworker89
2,09821425
2,09821425
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The question isn't about whether they "qualify" to take the boon, nor whether it's a good idea for them to take it (or for a DM to offer it), it's about examining whether said character can actually benefit from said boon, even if it has been granted to them.
– Xirema
4 hours ago
This doesn't answer the question at all. Check it now that the wording has been tweaked to see if it makes more sense to you.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
3
The question isn't about whether they "qualify" to take the boon, nor whether it's a good idea for them to take it (or for a DM to offer it), it's about examining whether said character can actually benefit from said boon, even if it has been granted to them.
– Xirema
4 hours ago
This doesn't answer the question at all. Check it now that the wording has been tweaked to see if it makes more sense to you.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
3
3
The question isn't about whether they "qualify" to take the boon, nor whether it's a good idea for them to take it (or for a DM to offer it), it's about examining whether said character can actually benefit from said boon, even if it has been granted to them.
– Xirema
4 hours ago
The question isn't about whether they "qualify" to take the boon, nor whether it's a good idea for them to take it (or for a DM to offer it), it's about examining whether said character can actually benefit from said boon, even if it has been granted to them.
– Xirema
4 hours ago
This doesn't answer the question at all. Check it now that the wording has been tweaked to see if it makes more sense to you.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
This doesn't answer the question at all. Check it now that the wording has been tweaked to see if it makes more sense to you.
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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