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Oil-eating animal; possible?
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I saw a movie were oil-companies stumbled upon these fictional underground aquatic deep-sea animals that survived on eating and digesting the oil where they lived. They had squid/octopus like bodies and were as smart(possibly smarter) than dolphins or apes(not us, though).
Conditions;
- very high pressure since they lived in deep underground caves filled with high-pressure water
- very intelligent
- social
- oil(pure) eating
Is it possible for an animal to survive and develop the ability to eat oil in these conditions?
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I saw a movie were oil-companies stumbled upon these fictional underground aquatic deep-sea animals that survived on eating and digesting the oil where they lived. They had squid/octopus like bodies and were as smart(possibly smarter) than dolphins or apes(not us, though).
Conditions;
- very high pressure since they lived in deep underground caves filled with high-pressure water
- very intelligent
- social
- oil(pure) eating
Is it possible for an animal to survive and develop the ability to eat oil in these conditions?
reality-check evolution science
asked 7 hours ago
user55812
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Theoretically yes, this is possible, but in practice that would be quite a different evolutionary path that should require a whole ecosystem.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
4
"Oil" mean "petroleum", right? In this case, Alcanivorax borkumensis shows that obtaining "energy primarily from consuming alkanes" (Wikipedia) is indeed possible. And cephalopods and indeed highly intelligent (for invertebrates).
– AlexP
7 hours ago
What movie was it?
– Renan
7 hours ago
It's called Monster Trucks since farther in a teenager builds his car so that the animal can drive it. i found it on Amazon Prime.
– user55812
7 hours ago
I'm with @AlexP. Please edit your question and specify what oil we're talking about. Humans eat oil (vegetable, mammalian, etc.) all the time. When dealing the imaginative and creative questions and answers, it's very important to be as specific as you can. Assumptions can get your question closed as unclear what you're asking.
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3 hours ago
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I saw a movie were oil-companies stumbled upon these fictional underground aquatic deep-sea animals that survived on eating and digesting the oil where they lived. They had squid/octopus like bodies and were as smart(possibly smarter) than dolphins or apes(not us, though).
Conditions;
- very high pressure since they lived in deep underground caves filled with high-pressure water
- very intelligent
- social
- oil(pure) eating
Is it possible for an animal to survive and develop the ability to eat oil in these conditions?
reality-check evolution science
asked 7 hours ago
user55812
415
I saw a movie were oil-companies stumbled upon these fictional underground aquatic deep-sea animals that survived on eating and digesting the oil where they lived. They had squid/octopus like bodies and were as smart(possibly smarter) than dolphins or apes(not us, though).
Conditions;
- very high pressure since they lived in deep underground caves filled with high-pressure water
- very intelligent
- social
- oil(pure) eating
Is it possible for an animal to survive and develop the ability to eat oil in these conditions?
reality-check evolution science
reality-check evolution science
asked 7 hours ago
user55812
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asked 7 hours ago
user55812
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asked 7 hours ago
user55812
415
asked 7 hours ago
user55812
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asked 7 hours ago
user55812
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Theoretically yes, this is possible, but in practice that would be quite a different evolutionary path that should require a whole ecosystem.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
4
"Oil" mean "petroleum", right? In this case, Alcanivorax borkumensis shows that obtaining "energy primarily from consuming alkanes" (Wikipedia) is indeed possible. And cephalopods and indeed highly intelligent (for invertebrates).
– AlexP
7 hours ago
What movie was it?
– Renan
7 hours ago
It's called Monster Trucks since farther in a teenager builds his car so that the animal can drive it. i found it on Amazon Prime.
– user55812
7 hours ago
I'm with @AlexP. Please edit your question and specify what oil we're talking about. Humans eat oil (vegetable, mammalian, etc.) all the time. When dealing the imaginative and creative questions and answers, it's very important to be as specific as you can. Assumptions can get your question closed as unclear what you're asking.
– JBH
3 hours ago
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Theoretically yes, this is possible, but in practice that would be quite a different evolutionary path that should require a whole ecosystem.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
4
"Oil" mean "petroleum", right? In this case, Alcanivorax borkumensis shows that obtaining "energy primarily from consuming alkanes" (Wikipedia) is indeed possible. And cephalopods and indeed highly intelligent (for invertebrates).
– AlexP
7 hours ago
What movie was it?
– Renan
7 hours ago
It's called Monster Trucks since farther in a teenager builds his car so that the animal can drive it. i found it on Amazon Prime.
– user55812
7 hours ago
I'm with @AlexP. Please edit your question and specify what oil we're talking about. Humans eat oil (vegetable, mammalian, etc.) all the time. When dealing the imaginative and creative questions and answers, it's very important to be as specific as you can. Assumptions can get your question closed as unclear what you're asking.
– JBH
3 hours ago
Theoretically yes, this is possible, but in practice that would be quite a different evolutionary path that should require a whole ecosystem.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
Theoretically yes, this is possible, but in practice that would be quite a different evolutionary path that should require a whole ecosystem.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
4
4
"Oil" mean "petroleum", right? In this case, Alcanivorax borkumensis shows that obtaining "energy primarily from consuming alkanes" (Wikipedia) is indeed possible. And cephalopods and indeed highly intelligent (for invertebrates).
– AlexP
7 hours ago
"Oil" mean "petroleum", right? In this case, Alcanivorax borkumensis shows that obtaining "energy primarily from consuming alkanes" (Wikipedia) is indeed possible. And cephalopods and indeed highly intelligent (for invertebrates).
– AlexP
7 hours ago
What movie was it?
– Renan
7 hours ago
What movie was it?
– Renan
7 hours ago
It's called Monster Trucks since farther in a teenager builds his car so that the animal can drive it. i found it on Amazon Prime.
– user55812
7 hours ago
It's called Monster Trucks since farther in a teenager builds his car so that the animal can drive it. i found it on Amazon Prime.
– user55812
7 hours ago
I'm with @AlexP. Please edit your question and specify what oil we're talking about. Humans eat oil (vegetable, mammalian, etc.) all the time. When dealing the imaginative and creative questions and answers, it's very important to be as specific as you can. Assumptions can get your question closed as unclear what you're asking.
– JBH
3 hours ago
I'm with @AlexP. Please edit your question and specify what oil we're talking about. Humans eat oil (vegetable, mammalian, etc.) all the time. When dealing the imaginative and creative questions and answers, it's very important to be as specific as you can. Assumptions can get your question closed as unclear what you're asking.
– JBH
3 hours ago
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It is totally plausible. You would need commensal microbes to do the metabolic work.
Consider cellulose - loaded with energy but difficult for metazoans to digest. Those that can digest it (e.g. termites, ruminants) have commensal bacteria in their guts which have the metabolic machinery to handle cellulose. The metazoans house these organisms and keep them safe; in exchange the microbes release the nutrition in the cellulose and nourish their hosts.
This same model could work with petrochemicals. There are microbes which can digest these energy rich compounds. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3815313/
and one would expect that just as termites house cellulose-digesting microbes, metazoans in environments rich in petrochemicals would house petrochemical digesting organisms.
answered 7 hours ago
Willk
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But the termite metazoans need protection from predators. Why would oil-eating metazoans need protection? Or rather, what would they need protection from...
– John Locke
6 hours ago
1
Perhaps the microorganism itself evolved into a multicellular life form? Convergent evolution could easily whip up a cephalopodesque body.
– elemtilas
5 hours ago
1
One can make a strong case that multicellular bodies - all of us - are masterful tricks by prokaryotic life. They evolved a biological stronghold to house them. Our bodies included.
– Willk
2 hours ago
1
@Willk: The concept that we’re just walking talking fortresses amuses me greatly.
– Joe Bloggs
42 mins ago
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The biology of such a creature is plausible - oil is an energy-rich substance and there are bacteria that can digest it. These creatures may have a symbiotic relationship with such bacteria. The real question is why they would be intelligent.
Most intelligent animals eat a wide variety of food sources (they need to learn which are good for eating and which are not, and remember the tricks for eating each kind of food) and many are carnivorous to some degree (they need to outsmart prey). Grazers are rarely very intelligent, and sucking on oil wells seems to be pretty similar to grazing. However, there is one intelligent species that may have evolved with an ecology similar to your oil-eaters: Elephants.
It is theorized that elephants evolved their substantial brains not so much for the sake of finding food, but for finding water. When resources are rare, far apart, clumped together, and tend to vary in how accessible they are (pools appearing and disappearing seasonally), it is important to be able to remember where those resources are in order to migrate between them. It is also important to remember what conditions are associated with the appearance or disappearance of a given pool (heat and rain). A social hierarchy may develop as herds migrate together, and older individuals may remember pools that younger ones do not.
An analogy can be made between elephants searching for water and these sea-creatures searching for oil. Oil wells are rare and far apart, and many are fed from deeper sources or shale that slowly replenish the easily-accessible reservoirs over time, at least until the deeper wells are depleted (presumably the biological mechanisms of these creatures are not quite as effective as the best human equipment, so they are only able to access the most easily-accessible wells). Finding new oil wells is difficult (perhaps the creatures have some kind of natural sonar ability) so being able to remember to return to the old wells decades later will be a major survival advantage, as will judging how quickly each well tends to refill. As with elephants, this will likely result in a complex social hierarchy with elderly leaders that remember the old wells, migrating in huge herds across the ocean floor.
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It is totally plausible. You would need commensal microbes to do the metabolic work.
Consider cellulose - loaded with energy but difficult for metazoans to digest. Those that can digest it (e.g. termites, ruminants) have commensal bacteria in their guts which have the metabolic machinery to handle cellulose. The metazoans house these organisms and keep them safe; in exchange the microbes release the nutrition in the cellulose and nourish their hosts.
This same model could work with petrochemicals. There are microbes which can digest these energy rich compounds. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3815313/
and one would expect that just as termites house cellulose-digesting microbes, metazoans in environments rich in petrochemicals would house petrochemical digesting organisms.
answered 7 hours ago
Willk
90k22174384
But the termite metazoans need protection from predators. Why would oil-eating metazoans need protection? Or rather, what would they need protection from...
– John Locke
6 hours ago
1
Perhaps the microorganism itself evolved into a multicellular life form? Convergent evolution could easily whip up a cephalopodesque body.
– elemtilas
5 hours ago
1
One can make a strong case that multicellular bodies - all of us - are masterful tricks by prokaryotic life. They evolved a biological stronghold to house them. Our bodies included.
– Willk
2 hours ago
1
@Willk: The concept that we’re just walking talking fortresses amuses me greatly.
– Joe Bloggs
42 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
It is totally plausible. You would need commensal microbes to do the metabolic work.
Consider cellulose - loaded with energy but difficult for metazoans to digest. Those that can digest it (e.g. termites, ruminants) have commensal bacteria in their guts which have the metabolic machinery to handle cellulose. The metazoans house these organisms and keep them safe; in exchange the microbes release the nutrition in the cellulose and nourish their hosts.
This same model could work with petrochemicals. There are microbes which can digest these energy rich compounds. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3815313/
and one would expect that just as termites house cellulose-digesting microbes, metazoans in environments rich in petrochemicals would house petrochemical digesting organisms.
answered 7 hours ago
Willk
90k22174384
But the termite metazoans need protection from predators. Why would oil-eating metazoans need protection? Or rather, what would they need protection from...
– John Locke
6 hours ago
1
Perhaps the microorganism itself evolved into a multicellular life form? Convergent evolution could easily whip up a cephalopodesque body.
– elemtilas
5 hours ago
1
One can make a strong case that multicellular bodies - all of us - are masterful tricks by prokaryotic life. They evolved a biological stronghold to house them. Our bodies included.
– Willk
2 hours ago
1
@Willk: The concept that we’re just walking talking fortresses amuses me greatly.
– Joe Bloggs
42 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
up vote
6
down vote
It is totally plausible. You would need commensal microbes to do the metabolic work.
Consider cellulose - loaded with energy but difficult for metazoans to digest. Those that can digest it (e.g. termites, ruminants) have commensal bacteria in their guts which have the metabolic machinery to handle cellulose. The metazoans house these organisms and keep them safe; in exchange the microbes release the nutrition in the cellulose and nourish their hosts.
This same model could work with petrochemicals. There are microbes which can digest these energy rich compounds. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3815313/
and one would expect that just as termites house cellulose-digesting microbes, metazoans in environments rich in petrochemicals would house petrochemical digesting organisms.
answered 7 hours ago
Willk
90k22174384
It is totally plausible. You would need commensal microbes to do the metabolic work.
Consider cellulose - loaded with energy but difficult for metazoans to digest. Those that can digest it (e.g. termites, ruminants) have commensal bacteria in their guts which have the metabolic machinery to handle cellulose. The metazoans house these organisms and keep them safe; in exchange the microbes release the nutrition in the cellulose and nourish their hosts.
This same model could work with petrochemicals. There are microbes which can digest these energy rich compounds. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3815313/
and one would expect that just as termites house cellulose-digesting microbes, metazoans in environments rich in petrochemicals would house petrochemical digesting organisms.
answered 7 hours ago
Willk
90k22174384
answered 7 hours ago
Willk
90k22174384
answered 7 hours ago
Willk
90k22174384
answered 7 hours ago
Willk
90k22174384
90k22174384
But the termite metazoans need protection from predators. Why would oil-eating metazoans need protection? Or rather, what would they need protection from...
– John Locke
6 hours ago
1
Perhaps the microorganism itself evolved into a multicellular life form? Convergent evolution could easily whip up a cephalopodesque body.
– elemtilas
5 hours ago
1
One can make a strong case that multicellular bodies - all of us - are masterful tricks by prokaryotic life. They evolved a biological stronghold to house them. Our bodies included.
– Willk
2 hours ago
1
@Willk: The concept that we’re just walking talking fortresses amuses me greatly.
– Joe Bloggs
42 mins ago
add a comment |Â
But the termite metazoans need protection from predators. Why would oil-eating metazoans need protection? Or rather, what would they need protection from...
– John Locke
6 hours ago
1
Perhaps the microorganism itself evolved into a multicellular life form? Convergent evolution could easily whip up a cephalopodesque body.
– elemtilas
5 hours ago
1
One can make a strong case that multicellular bodies - all of us - are masterful tricks by prokaryotic life. They evolved a biological stronghold to house them. Our bodies included.
– Willk
2 hours ago
1
@Willk: The concept that we’re just walking talking fortresses amuses me greatly.
– Joe Bloggs
42 mins ago
But the termite metazoans need protection from predators. Why would oil-eating metazoans need protection? Or rather, what would they need protection from...
– John Locke
6 hours ago
But the termite metazoans need protection from predators. Why would oil-eating metazoans need protection? Or rather, what would they need protection from...
– John Locke
6 hours ago
1
1
Perhaps the microorganism itself evolved into a multicellular life form? Convergent evolution could easily whip up a cephalopodesque body.
– elemtilas
5 hours ago
Perhaps the microorganism itself evolved into a multicellular life form? Convergent evolution could easily whip up a cephalopodesque body.
– elemtilas
5 hours ago
1
1
One can make a strong case that multicellular bodies - all of us - are masterful tricks by prokaryotic life. They evolved a biological stronghold to house them. Our bodies included.
– Willk
2 hours ago
One can make a strong case that multicellular bodies - all of us - are masterful tricks by prokaryotic life. They evolved a biological stronghold to house them. Our bodies included.
– Willk
2 hours ago
1
1
@Willk: The concept that we’re just walking talking fortresses amuses me greatly.
– Joe Bloggs
42 mins ago
@Willk: The concept that we’re just walking talking fortresses amuses me greatly.
– Joe Bloggs
42 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
The biology of such a creature is plausible - oil is an energy-rich substance and there are bacteria that can digest it. These creatures may have a symbiotic relationship with such bacteria. The real question is why they would be intelligent.
Most intelligent animals eat a wide variety of food sources (they need to learn which are good for eating and which are not, and remember the tricks for eating each kind of food) and many are carnivorous to some degree (they need to outsmart prey). Grazers are rarely very intelligent, and sucking on oil wells seems to be pretty similar to grazing. However, there is one intelligent species that may have evolved with an ecology similar to your oil-eaters: Elephants.
It is theorized that elephants evolved their substantial brains not so much for the sake of finding food, but for finding water. When resources are rare, far apart, clumped together, and tend to vary in how accessible they are (pools appearing and disappearing seasonally), it is important to be able to remember where those resources are in order to migrate between them. It is also important to remember what conditions are associated with the appearance or disappearance of a given pool (heat and rain). A social hierarchy may develop as herds migrate together, and older individuals may remember pools that younger ones do not.
An analogy can be made between elephants searching for water and these sea-creatures searching for oil. Oil wells are rare and far apart, and many are fed from deeper sources or shale that slowly replenish the easily-accessible reservoirs over time, at least until the deeper wells are depleted (presumably the biological mechanisms of these creatures are not quite as effective as the best human equipment, so they are only able to access the most easily-accessible wells). Finding new oil wells is difficult (perhaps the creatures have some kind of natural sonar ability) so being able to remember to return to the old wells decades later will be a major survival advantage, as will judging how quickly each well tends to refill. As with elephants, this will likely result in a complex social hierarchy with elderly leaders that remember the old wells, migrating in huge herds across the ocean floor.
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up vote
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The biology of such a creature is plausible - oil is an energy-rich substance and there are bacteria that can digest it. These creatures may have a symbiotic relationship with such bacteria. The real question is why they would be intelligent.
Most intelligent animals eat a wide variety of food sources (they need to learn which are good for eating and which are not, and remember the tricks for eating each kind of food) and many are carnivorous to some degree (they need to outsmart prey). Grazers are rarely very intelligent, and sucking on oil wells seems to be pretty similar to grazing. However, there is one intelligent species that may have evolved with an ecology similar to your oil-eaters: Elephants.
It is theorized that elephants evolved their substantial brains not so much for the sake of finding food, but for finding water. When resources are rare, far apart, clumped together, and tend to vary in how accessible they are (pools appearing and disappearing seasonally), it is important to be able to remember where those resources are in order to migrate between them. It is also important to remember what conditions are associated with the appearance or disappearance of a given pool (heat and rain). A social hierarchy may develop as herds migrate together, and older individuals may remember pools that younger ones do not.
An analogy can be made between elephants searching for water and these sea-creatures searching for oil. Oil wells are rare and far apart, and many are fed from deeper sources or shale that slowly replenish the easily-accessible reservoirs over time, at least until the deeper wells are depleted (presumably the biological mechanisms of these creatures are not quite as effective as the best human equipment, so they are only able to access the most easily-accessible wells). Finding new oil wells is difficult (perhaps the creatures have some kind of natural sonar ability) so being able to remember to return to the old wells decades later will be a major survival advantage, as will judging how quickly each well tends to refill. As with elephants, this will likely result in a complex social hierarchy with elderly leaders that remember the old wells, migrating in huge herds across the ocean floor.
answered 1 hour ago
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The biology of such a creature is plausible - oil is an energy-rich substance and there are bacteria that can digest it. These creatures may have a symbiotic relationship with such bacteria. The real question is why they would be intelligent.
Most intelligent animals eat a wide variety of food sources (they need to learn which are good for eating and which are not, and remember the tricks for eating each kind of food) and many are carnivorous to some degree (they need to outsmart prey). Grazers are rarely very intelligent, and sucking on oil wells seems to be pretty similar to grazing. However, there is one intelligent species that may have evolved with an ecology similar to your oil-eaters: Elephants.
It is theorized that elephants evolved their substantial brains not so much for the sake of finding food, but for finding water. When resources are rare, far apart, clumped together, and tend to vary in how accessible they are (pools appearing and disappearing seasonally), it is important to be able to remember where those resources are in order to migrate between them. It is also important to remember what conditions are associated with the appearance or disappearance of a given pool (heat and rain). A social hierarchy may develop as herds migrate together, and older individuals may remember pools that younger ones do not.
An analogy can be made between elephants searching for water and these sea-creatures searching for oil. Oil wells are rare and far apart, and many are fed from deeper sources or shale that slowly replenish the easily-accessible reservoirs over time, at least until the deeper wells are depleted (presumably the biological mechanisms of these creatures are not quite as effective as the best human equipment, so they are only able to access the most easily-accessible wells). Finding new oil wells is difficult (perhaps the creatures have some kind of natural sonar ability) so being able to remember to return to the old wells decades later will be a major survival advantage, as will judging how quickly each well tends to refill. As with elephants, this will likely result in a complex social hierarchy with elderly leaders that remember the old wells, migrating in huge herds across the ocean floor.
answered 1 hour ago
IndigoFenix
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The biology of such a creature is plausible - oil is an energy-rich substance and there are bacteria that can digest it. These creatures may have a symbiotic relationship with such bacteria. The real question is why they would be intelligent.
Most intelligent animals eat a wide variety of food sources (they need to learn which are good for eating and which are not, and remember the tricks for eating each kind of food) and many are carnivorous to some degree (they need to outsmart prey). Grazers are rarely very intelligent, and sucking on oil wells seems to be pretty similar to grazing. However, there is one intelligent species that may have evolved with an ecology similar to your oil-eaters: Elephants.
It is theorized that elephants evolved their substantial brains not so much for the sake of finding food, but for finding water. When resources are rare, far apart, clumped together, and tend to vary in how accessible they are (pools appearing and disappearing seasonally), it is important to be able to remember where those resources are in order to migrate between them. It is also important to remember what conditions are associated with the appearance or disappearance of a given pool (heat and rain). A social hierarchy may develop as herds migrate together, and older individuals may remember pools that younger ones do not.
An analogy can be made between elephants searching for water and these sea-creatures searching for oil. Oil wells are rare and far apart, and many are fed from deeper sources or shale that slowly replenish the easily-accessible reservoirs over time, at least until the deeper wells are depleted (presumably the biological mechanisms of these creatures are not quite as effective as the best human equipment, so they are only able to access the most easily-accessible wells). Finding new oil wells is difficult (perhaps the creatures have some kind of natural sonar ability) so being able to remember to return to the old wells decades later will be a major survival advantage, as will judging how quickly each well tends to refill. As with elephants, this will likely result in a complex social hierarchy with elderly leaders that remember the old wells, migrating in huge herds across the ocean floor.
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Theoretically yes, this is possible, but in practice that would be quite a different evolutionary path that should require a whole ecosystem.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
4
"Oil" mean "petroleum", right? In this case, Alcanivorax borkumensis shows that obtaining "energy primarily from consuming alkanes" (Wikipedia) is indeed possible. And cephalopods and indeed highly intelligent (for invertebrates).
– AlexP
7 hours ago
What movie was it?
– Renan
7 hours ago
It's called Monster Trucks since farther in a teenager builds his car so that the animal can drive it. i found it on Amazon Prime.
– user55812
7 hours ago
I'm with @AlexP. Please edit your question and specify what oil we're talking about. Humans eat oil (vegetable, mammalian, etc.) all the time. When dealing the imaginative and creative questions and answers, it's very important to be as specific as you can. Assumptions can get your question closed as unclear what you're asking.
– JBH
3 hours ago