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My wife is in France with her own 1 year long stay visitor's visa. She will give birth to our daughter shortly. When the baby is born will it be subject to the 90 Schengen requirement like any other US Citizen visiting France and then be required to leave and apply for a French visa or can it remain in France (Schengen Zone) with it's mother for the remainder of her visitor's visa?
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My wife is in France with her own 1 year long stay visitor's visa. She will give birth to our daughter shortly. When the baby is born will it be subject to the 90 Schengen requirement like any other US Citizen visiting France and then be required to leave and apply for a French visa or can it remain in France (Schengen Zone) with it's mother for the remainder of her visitor's visa?
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My wife is in France with her own 1 year long stay visitor's visa. She will give birth to our daughter shortly. When the baby is born will it be subject to the 90 Schengen requirement like any other US Citizen visiting France and then be required to leave and apply for a French visa or can it remain in France (Schengen Zone) with it's mother for the remainder of her visitor's visa?
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It looks to me like your child will need a titre d'identité républicain (TIR):
Le titre d'identité républicain (TIR) peut être délivré àun mineur né en France de parents étrangers titulaires d'un titre de séjour. Il lui permet de prouver son identité et d'être dispensé de visa lors de son retour en France après un voyage àl'étranger. La personne qui exerce l'autorité parentale sur l'enfant doit en faire la demande en préfecture ou en sous-préfecture en fournissant certains justificatifs. Le document est valable 5 ans et renouvelable.
Machine translation with human copy editing:
The Title of Republican Identity (TIR) can be issued to a minor born in France of foreign parents holding a residence permit. It allows the child to prove his or her identity and to be exempt from visa when returning to France after a trip abroad. The person who exercises parental authority over the child must make the request in the prefecture or sub-prefecture by providing certain supporting documents. The document is valid for 5 years and renewable.
The cost is EUR 45 (assuming neither you nor your child has EU, EEA, or Swiss citizenship).
Although this document is not a uniform-format residence permit, it is included in the list of residence permits issued by member states (pdf), which means that (after receiving the document, at least) your child's time spent in France will not count toward the 90-day limit in the Schengen area. This in turn means that your child will be able to visit other Schengen countries within the 90/180 day limit.
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(+1) I don't have a better idea but this is clearly intended for people who reside in France more-or-less permanently. The application requires many documents (livret de famille, carnet de santé, and justificatif de domicile) that I would not necessarily expect a visitor to have.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed yes, I was wondering about that. If we assume that the mother has a VLS/TS, does that in fact meet the stated requirement that the foreign parents be "titulaires d'un titre de séjour"? (Also, am I correct in assuming that the use of the plural does not exclude the case were only one parent has a titre de séjour?)
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Relaxed Also, which do you think more likely: that the long-term visitor will be able to get the livret de famille, etc., to enable the TIR application, that the requirement for those documents would be waived, or that the TIR would be impossible? If the last, presumably the child's presence would simply be tolerated until the first departure from the Schengen area, but what are the chances that it would not?
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The last one is the easiest question, the chances the presence of the child would not be tolerated is very low. France does not remove minors, period so I don't see exactly what the préfecture could do or why they would bother. The main purpose of the document is leaving and reentering, refusing it is a way to put pressure on the parent(s) but in this case they are safe.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed I was thinking more of problems at the border on exit. That question could of course be more complicated if the port of exit is in a different Schengen country.
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It looks to me like your child will need a titre d'identité républicain (TIR):
Le titre d'identité républicain (TIR) peut être délivré àun mineur né en France de parents étrangers titulaires d'un titre de séjour. Il lui permet de prouver son identité et d'être dispensé de visa lors de son retour en France après un voyage àl'étranger. La personne qui exerce l'autorité parentale sur l'enfant doit en faire la demande en préfecture ou en sous-préfecture en fournissant certains justificatifs. Le document est valable 5 ans et renouvelable.
Machine translation with human copy editing:
The Title of Republican Identity (TIR) can be issued to a minor born in France of foreign parents holding a residence permit. It allows the child to prove his or her identity and to be exempt from visa when returning to France after a trip abroad. The person who exercises parental authority over the child must make the request in the prefecture or sub-prefecture by providing certain supporting documents. The document is valid for 5 years and renewable.
The cost is EUR 45 (assuming neither you nor your child has EU, EEA, or Swiss citizenship).
Although this document is not a uniform-format residence permit, it is included in the list of residence permits issued by member states (pdf), which means that (after receiving the document, at least) your child's time spent in France will not count toward the 90-day limit in the Schengen area. This in turn means that your child will be able to visit other Schengen countries within the 90/180 day limit.
answered 2 hours ago
phoog
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(+1) I don't have a better idea but this is clearly intended for people who reside in France more-or-less permanently. The application requires many documents (livret de famille, carnet de santé, and justificatif de domicile) that I would not necessarily expect a visitor to have.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed yes, I was wondering about that. If we assume that the mother has a VLS/TS, does that in fact meet the stated requirement that the foreign parents be "titulaires d'un titre de séjour"? (Also, am I correct in assuming that the use of the plural does not exclude the case were only one parent has a titre de séjour?)
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Relaxed Also, which do you think more likely: that the long-term visitor will be able to get the livret de famille, etc., to enable the TIR application, that the requirement for those documents would be waived, or that the TIR would be impossible? If the last, presumably the child's presence would simply be tolerated until the first departure from the Schengen area, but what are the chances that it would not?
– phoog
2 hours ago
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The last one is the easiest question, the chances the presence of the child would not be tolerated is very low. France does not remove minors, period so I don't see exactly what the préfecture could do or why they would bother. The main purpose of the document is leaving and reentering, refusing it is a way to put pressure on the parent(s) but in this case they are safe.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed I was thinking more of problems at the border on exit. That question could of course be more complicated if the port of exit is in a different Schengen country.
– phoog
1 hour ago
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up vote
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It looks to me like your child will need a titre d'identité républicain (TIR):
Le titre d'identité républicain (TIR) peut être délivré àun mineur né en France de parents étrangers titulaires d'un titre de séjour. Il lui permet de prouver son identité et d'être dispensé de visa lors de son retour en France après un voyage àl'étranger. La personne qui exerce l'autorité parentale sur l'enfant doit en faire la demande en préfecture ou en sous-préfecture en fournissant certains justificatifs. Le document est valable 5 ans et renouvelable.
Machine translation with human copy editing:
The Title of Republican Identity (TIR) can be issued to a minor born in France of foreign parents holding a residence permit. It allows the child to prove his or her identity and to be exempt from visa when returning to France after a trip abroad. The person who exercises parental authority over the child must make the request in the prefecture or sub-prefecture by providing certain supporting documents. The document is valid for 5 years and renewable.
The cost is EUR 45 (assuming neither you nor your child has EU, EEA, or Swiss citizenship).
Although this document is not a uniform-format residence permit, it is included in the list of residence permits issued by member states (pdf), which means that (after receiving the document, at least) your child's time spent in France will not count toward the 90-day limit in the Schengen area. This in turn means that your child will be able to visit other Schengen countries within the 90/180 day limit.
answered 2 hours ago
phoog
62.8k9137199
(+1) I don't have a better idea but this is clearly intended for people who reside in France more-or-less permanently. The application requires many documents (livret de famille, carnet de santé, and justificatif de domicile) that I would not necessarily expect a visitor to have.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed yes, I was wondering about that. If we assume that the mother has a VLS/TS, does that in fact meet the stated requirement that the foreign parents be "titulaires d'un titre de séjour"? (Also, am I correct in assuming that the use of the plural does not exclude the case were only one parent has a titre de séjour?)
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Relaxed Also, which do you think more likely: that the long-term visitor will be able to get the livret de famille, etc., to enable the TIR application, that the requirement for those documents would be waived, or that the TIR would be impossible? If the last, presumably the child's presence would simply be tolerated until the first departure from the Schengen area, but what are the chances that it would not?
– phoog
2 hours ago
1
The last one is the easiest question, the chances the presence of the child would not be tolerated is very low. France does not remove minors, period so I don't see exactly what the préfecture could do or why they would bother. The main purpose of the document is leaving and reentering, refusing it is a way to put pressure on the parent(s) but in this case they are safe.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed I was thinking more of problems at the border on exit. That question could of course be more complicated if the port of exit is in a different Schengen country.
– phoog
1 hour ago
 |Â
show 2 more comments
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It looks to me like your child will need a titre d'identité républicain (TIR):
Le titre d'identité républicain (TIR) peut être délivré àun mineur né en France de parents étrangers titulaires d'un titre de séjour. Il lui permet de prouver son identité et d'être dispensé de visa lors de son retour en France après un voyage àl'étranger. La personne qui exerce l'autorité parentale sur l'enfant doit en faire la demande en préfecture ou en sous-préfecture en fournissant certains justificatifs. Le document est valable 5 ans et renouvelable.
Machine translation with human copy editing:
The Title of Republican Identity (TIR) can be issued to a minor born in France of foreign parents holding a residence permit. It allows the child to prove his or her identity and to be exempt from visa when returning to France after a trip abroad. The person who exercises parental authority over the child must make the request in the prefecture or sub-prefecture by providing certain supporting documents. The document is valid for 5 years and renewable.
The cost is EUR 45 (assuming neither you nor your child has EU, EEA, or Swiss citizenship).
Although this document is not a uniform-format residence permit, it is included in the list of residence permits issued by member states (pdf), which means that (after receiving the document, at least) your child's time spent in France will not count toward the 90-day limit in the Schengen area. This in turn means that your child will be able to visit other Schengen countries within the 90/180 day limit.
answered 2 hours ago
phoog
62.8k9137199
It looks to me like your child will need a titre d'identité républicain (TIR):
Le titre d'identité républicain (TIR) peut être délivré àun mineur né en France de parents étrangers titulaires d'un titre de séjour. Il lui permet de prouver son identité et d'être dispensé de visa lors de son retour en France après un voyage àl'étranger. La personne qui exerce l'autorité parentale sur l'enfant doit en faire la demande en préfecture ou en sous-préfecture en fournissant certains justificatifs. Le document est valable 5 ans et renouvelable.
Machine translation with human copy editing:
The Title of Republican Identity (TIR) can be issued to a minor born in France of foreign parents holding a residence permit. It allows the child to prove his or her identity and to be exempt from visa when returning to France after a trip abroad. The person who exercises parental authority over the child must make the request in the prefecture or sub-prefecture by providing certain supporting documents. The document is valid for 5 years and renewable.
The cost is EUR 45 (assuming neither you nor your child has EU, EEA, or Swiss citizenship).
Although this document is not a uniform-format residence permit, it is included in the list of residence permits issued by member states (pdf), which means that (after receiving the document, at least) your child's time spent in France will not count toward the 90-day limit in the Schengen area. This in turn means that your child will be able to visit other Schengen countries within the 90/180 day limit.
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(+1) I don't have a better idea but this is clearly intended for people who reside in France more-or-less permanently. The application requires many documents (livret de famille, carnet de santé, and justificatif de domicile) that I would not necessarily expect a visitor to have.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed yes, I was wondering about that. If we assume that the mother has a VLS/TS, does that in fact meet the stated requirement that the foreign parents be "titulaires d'un titre de séjour"? (Also, am I correct in assuming that the use of the plural does not exclude the case were only one parent has a titre de séjour?)
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Relaxed Also, which do you think more likely: that the long-term visitor will be able to get the livret de famille, etc., to enable the TIR application, that the requirement for those documents would be waived, or that the TIR would be impossible? If the last, presumably the child's presence would simply be tolerated until the first departure from the Schengen area, but what are the chances that it would not?
– phoog
2 hours ago
1
The last one is the easiest question, the chances the presence of the child would not be tolerated is very low. France does not remove minors, period so I don't see exactly what the préfecture could do or why they would bother. The main purpose of the document is leaving and reentering, refusing it is a way to put pressure on the parent(s) but in this case they are safe.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed I was thinking more of problems at the border on exit. That question could of course be more complicated if the port of exit is in a different Schengen country.
– phoog
1 hour ago
 |Â
show 2 more comments
(+1) I don't have a better idea but this is clearly intended for people who reside in France more-or-less permanently. The application requires many documents (livret de famille, carnet de santé, and justificatif de domicile) that I would not necessarily expect a visitor to have.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed yes, I was wondering about that. If we assume that the mother has a VLS/TS, does that in fact meet the stated requirement that the foreign parents be "titulaires d'un titre de séjour"? (Also, am I correct in assuming that the use of the plural does not exclude the case were only one parent has a titre de séjour?)
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Relaxed Also, which do you think more likely: that the long-term visitor will be able to get the livret de famille, etc., to enable the TIR application, that the requirement for those documents would be waived, or that the TIR would be impossible? If the last, presumably the child's presence would simply be tolerated until the first departure from the Schengen area, but what are the chances that it would not?
– phoog
2 hours ago
1
The last one is the easiest question, the chances the presence of the child would not be tolerated is very low. France does not remove minors, period so I don't see exactly what the préfecture could do or why they would bother. The main purpose of the document is leaving and reentering, refusing it is a way to put pressure on the parent(s) but in this case they are safe.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed I was thinking more of problems at the border on exit. That question could of course be more complicated if the port of exit is in a different Schengen country.
– phoog
1 hour ago
(+1) I don't have a better idea but this is clearly intended for people who reside in France more-or-less permanently. The application requires many documents (livret de famille, carnet de santé, and justificatif de domicile) that I would not necessarily expect a visitor to have.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
(+1) I don't have a better idea but this is clearly intended for people who reside in France more-or-less permanently. The application requires many documents (livret de famille, carnet de santé, and justificatif de domicile) that I would not necessarily expect a visitor to have.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed yes, I was wondering about that. If we assume that the mother has a VLS/TS, does that in fact meet the stated requirement that the foreign parents be "titulaires d'un titre de séjour"? (Also, am I correct in assuming that the use of the plural does not exclude the case were only one parent has a titre de séjour?)
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Relaxed yes, I was wondering about that. If we assume that the mother has a VLS/TS, does that in fact meet the stated requirement that the foreign parents be "titulaires d'un titre de séjour"? (Also, am I correct in assuming that the use of the plural does not exclude the case were only one parent has a titre de séjour?)
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Relaxed Also, which do you think more likely: that the long-term visitor will be able to get the livret de famille, etc., to enable the TIR application, that the requirement for those documents would be waived, or that the TIR would be impossible? If the last, presumably the child's presence would simply be tolerated until the first departure from the Schengen area, but what are the chances that it would not?
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Relaxed Also, which do you think more likely: that the long-term visitor will be able to get the livret de famille, etc., to enable the TIR application, that the requirement for those documents would be waived, or that the TIR would be impossible? If the last, presumably the child's presence would simply be tolerated until the first departure from the Schengen area, but what are the chances that it would not?
– phoog
2 hours ago
1
1
The last one is the easiest question, the chances the presence of the child would not be tolerated is very low. France does not remove minors, period so I don't see exactly what the préfecture could do or why they would bother. The main purpose of the document is leaving and reentering, refusing it is a way to put pressure on the parent(s) but in this case they are safe.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
The last one is the easiest question, the chances the presence of the child would not be tolerated is very low. France does not remove minors, period so I don't see exactly what the préfecture could do or why they would bother. The main purpose of the document is leaving and reentering, refusing it is a way to put pressure on the parent(s) but in this case they are safe.
– Relaxed
2 hours ago
@Relaxed I was thinking more of problems at the border on exit. That question could of course be more complicated if the port of exit is in a different Schengen country.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@Relaxed I was thinking more of problems at the border on exit. That question could of course be more complicated if the port of exit is in a different Schengen country.
– phoog
1 hour ago
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