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In the Doctor Who episode "The Woman Who Fell to Earth" The Doctor removed
several DNA bombs from her companions and reinserted these into the data-gathering coil brought to Earth by Tzim-Sha (Tim Shaw).
The Doctor was not surprised when these found their way back into Tzim-Sha and seemed to understand he was connected to the coil.
Why then,
after Tzim-Sha had detonated the bombs, potentially killing him,
did The Doctor chastise Karl by saying "you had no right to do that!" for kicking him
off the crane? Surely he was as good as dead anyway? Although he appeared to teleport away before we saw him die, The Doctor had previously gone into great detail about the way DNA bombs worked and their deadly potential.
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In the Doctor Who episode "The Woman Who Fell to Earth" The Doctor removed
several DNA bombs from her companions and reinserted these into the data-gathering coil brought to Earth by Tzim-Sha (Tim Shaw).
The Doctor was not surprised when these found their way back into Tzim-Sha and seemed to understand he was connected to the coil.
Why then,
after Tzim-Sha had detonated the bombs, potentially killing him,
did The Doctor chastise Karl by saying "you had no right to do that!" for kicking him
off the crane? Surely he was as good as dead anyway? Although he appeared to teleport away before we saw him die, The Doctor had previously gone into great detail about the way DNA bombs worked and their deadly potential.
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Well arguably Tzim-Sha had killed himself, rather than the Doctor doing it. And I thought the "you had no right to do that" was directed at Tzim rather than Karl, though I could be mistaken.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
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@Jontia True, but I struggled to get that accross in a punchy title. I explain in the post that Tim detonated the bombs. But he had already teleported before she made the comment and she turned to Karl when she said it
– Astralbee
1 hour ago
Good point. Although talking to (or at) characters that have just left is a fairly common TV/Film convention.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
@Sava (cc Astralbee) Making a post entirely spoilers is next to pointless because people have no way of knowing what the spoiler could contain and so will have to read it anyway. In the future can you try and make posts readable without having to see most of the content hidden behind spoiler markdown. I haven't seen the episode yet but I have tried to do this here.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
"Never be cruel, and never be cowardly". That's the consistent promise among all the Doctor's Incarnations.
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In the Doctor Who episode "The Woman Who Fell to Earth" The Doctor removed
several DNA bombs from her companions and reinserted these into the data-gathering coil brought to Earth by Tzim-Sha (Tim Shaw).
The Doctor was not surprised when these found their way back into Tzim-Sha and seemed to understand he was connected to the coil.
Why then,
after Tzim-Sha had detonated the bombs, potentially killing him,
did The Doctor chastise Karl by saying "you had no right to do that!" for kicking him
off the crane? Surely he was as good as dead anyway? Although he appeared to teleport away before we saw him die, The Doctor had previously gone into great detail about the way DNA bombs worked and their deadly potential.
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In the Doctor Who episode "The Woman Who Fell to Earth" The Doctor removed
several DNA bombs from her companions and reinserted these into the data-gathering coil brought to Earth by Tzim-Sha (Tim Shaw).
The Doctor was not surprised when these found their way back into Tzim-Sha and seemed to understand he was connected to the coil.
Why then,
after Tzim-Sha had detonated the bombs, potentially killing him,
did The Doctor chastise Karl by saying "you had no right to do that!" for kicking him
off the crane? Surely he was as good as dead anyway? Although he appeared to teleport away before we saw him die, The Doctor had previously gone into great detail about the way DNA bombs worked and their deadly potential.
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Well arguably Tzim-Sha had killed himself, rather than the Doctor doing it. And I thought the "you had no right to do that" was directed at Tzim rather than Karl, though I could be mistaken.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
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@Jontia True, but I struggled to get that accross in a punchy title. I explain in the post that Tim detonated the bombs. But he had already teleported before she made the comment and she turned to Karl when she said it
– Astralbee
1 hour ago
Good point. Although talking to (or at) characters that have just left is a fairly common TV/Film convention.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
@Sava (cc Astralbee) Making a post entirely spoilers is next to pointless because people have no way of knowing what the spoiler could contain and so will have to read it anyway. In the future can you try and make posts readable without having to see most of the content hidden behind spoiler markdown. I haven't seen the episode yet but I have tried to do this here.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
"Never be cruel, and never be cowardly". That's the consistent promise among all the Doctor's Incarnations.
– tilley31
41 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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Well arguably Tzim-Sha had killed himself, rather than the Doctor doing it. And I thought the "you had no right to do that" was directed at Tzim rather than Karl, though I could be mistaken.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
1
@Jontia True, but I struggled to get that accross in a punchy title. I explain in the post that Tim detonated the bombs. But he had already teleported before she made the comment and she turned to Karl when she said it
– Astralbee
1 hour ago
Good point. Although talking to (or at) characters that have just left is a fairly common TV/Film convention.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
@Sava (cc Astralbee) Making a post entirely spoilers is next to pointless because people have no way of knowing what the spoiler could contain and so will have to read it anyway. In the future can you try and make posts readable without having to see most of the content hidden behind spoiler markdown. I haven't seen the episode yet but I have tried to do this here.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
"Never be cruel, and never be cowardly". That's the consistent promise among all the Doctor's Incarnations.
– tilley31
41 mins ago
1
1
Well arguably Tzim-Sha had killed himself, rather than the Doctor doing it. And I thought the "you had no right to do that" was directed at Tzim rather than Karl, though I could be mistaken.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
Well arguably Tzim-Sha had killed himself, rather than the Doctor doing it. And I thought the "you had no right to do that" was directed at Tzim rather than Karl, though I could be mistaken.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
1
1
@Jontia True, but I struggled to get that accross in a punchy title. I explain in the post that Tim detonated the bombs. But he had already teleported before she made the comment and she turned to Karl when she said it
– Astralbee
1 hour ago
@Jontia True, but I struggled to get that accross in a punchy title. I explain in the post that Tim detonated the bombs. But he had already teleported before she made the comment and she turned to Karl when she said it
– Astralbee
1 hour ago
Good point. Although talking to (or at) characters that have just left is a fairly common TV/Film convention.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
Good point. Although talking to (or at) characters that have just left is a fairly common TV/Film convention.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
@Sava (cc Astralbee) Making a post entirely spoilers is next to pointless because people have no way of knowing what the spoiler could contain and so will have to read it anyway. In the future can you try and make posts readable without having to see most of the content hidden behind spoiler markdown. I haven't seen the episode yet but I have tried to do this here.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
@Sava (cc Astralbee) Making a post entirely spoilers is next to pointless because people have no way of knowing what the spoiler could contain and so will have to read it anyway. In the future can you try and make posts readable without having to see most of the content hidden behind spoiler markdown. I haven't seen the episode yet but I have tried to do this here.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
"Never be cruel, and never be cowardly". That's the consistent promise among all the Doctor's Incarnations.
– tilley31
41 mins ago
"Never be cruel, and never be cowardly". That's the consistent promise among all the Doctor's Incarnations.
– tilley31
41 mins ago
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The Doctor's comment to the alien Tim Shaw that it should return home (after having set off the bombs inside itself) would strongly suggest that with the appropriate medical treatment, that the DNA bombs shouldn't be fatal. Since it had no choice but to comply and had stopped actively trying to kill them, that was tantamount to admitting defeat.
Doctor: You got everything transferred to you including five tiny bombs. You had a choice. You did this to yourself.
[ALIEN SCREAMS]
Go home.
In essence, he was killing an enemy that had already surrendered.
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The Doctor has always shown a perverse morality toward murderous aliens, giving them the choice to leave Earth rather than facing the consequences of their actions; tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Christmas_Invasion_(TV_story)
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It's similar to his reaction to Harriet Jones, British Prime Minister's (*) choice to destroy the Sycorax ship after The Doctor had gotten them to retreat. They'd already lost, in The Doctor's eyes, there was no need to kill them.
One could argue that there's no knowing if pushing Tim Shaw off the crane will result in his death (or at least any more than the DNA bombs will). Presumably, Tim Shaw will return to his planet on some sort of receiving platform, and whether he's on the ground or on the 47th floor of a building would not matter. He was falling as he teleported, but he'd only fallen a few yards or so - when he arrived at home, he'd probably arrive horizontal, but only with the kinetic energy of a very short fall, not a fatal one.
Still, She tells Karl From The Train off, more because at the very least it was a case of kicking Tim Shaw while he was down.
(*) Yes, we know who you are...
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The Doctor's comment to the alien Tim Shaw that it should return home (after having set off the bombs inside itself) would strongly suggest that with the appropriate medical treatment, that the DNA bombs shouldn't be fatal. Since it had no choice but to comply and had stopped actively trying to kill them, that was tantamount to admitting defeat.
Doctor: You got everything transferred to you including five tiny bombs. You had a choice. You did this to yourself.
[ALIEN SCREAMS]
Go home.
In essence, he was killing an enemy that had already surrendered.
answered 1 hour ago
Valorum
379k9927582986
The Doctor has always shown a perverse morality toward murderous aliens, giving them the choice to leave Earth rather than facing the consequences of their actions; tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Christmas_Invasion_(TV_story)
– Valorum
1 hour ago
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up vote
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The Doctor's comment to the alien Tim Shaw that it should return home (after having set off the bombs inside itself) would strongly suggest that with the appropriate medical treatment, that the DNA bombs shouldn't be fatal. Since it had no choice but to comply and had stopped actively trying to kill them, that was tantamount to admitting defeat.
Doctor: You got everything transferred to you including five tiny bombs. You had a choice. You did this to yourself.
[ALIEN SCREAMS]
Go home.
In essence, he was killing an enemy that had already surrendered.
answered 1 hour ago
Valorum
379k9927582986
The Doctor has always shown a perverse morality toward murderous aliens, giving them the choice to leave Earth rather than facing the consequences of their actions; tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Christmas_Invasion_(TV_story)
– Valorum
1 hour ago
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up vote
3
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up vote
3
down vote
The Doctor's comment to the alien Tim Shaw that it should return home (after having set off the bombs inside itself) would strongly suggest that with the appropriate medical treatment, that the DNA bombs shouldn't be fatal. Since it had no choice but to comply and had stopped actively trying to kill them, that was tantamount to admitting defeat.
Doctor: You got everything transferred to you including five tiny bombs. You had a choice. You did this to yourself.
[ALIEN SCREAMS]
Go home.
In essence, he was killing an enemy that had already surrendered.
answered 1 hour ago
Valorum
379k9927582986
The Doctor's comment to the alien Tim Shaw that it should return home (after having set off the bombs inside itself) would strongly suggest that with the appropriate medical treatment, that the DNA bombs shouldn't be fatal. Since it had no choice but to comply and had stopped actively trying to kill them, that was tantamount to admitting defeat.
Doctor: You got everything transferred to you including five tiny bombs. You had a choice. You did this to yourself.
[ALIEN SCREAMS]
Go home.
In essence, he was killing an enemy that had already surrendered.
answered 1 hour ago
Valorum
379k9927582986
answered 1 hour ago
Valorum
379k9927582986
answered 1 hour ago
Valorum
379k9927582986
answered 1 hour ago
Valorum
379k9927582986
379k9927582986
The Doctor has always shown a perverse morality toward murderous aliens, giving them the choice to leave Earth rather than facing the consequences of their actions; tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Christmas_Invasion_(TV_story)
– Valorum
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
The Doctor has always shown a perverse morality toward murderous aliens, giving them the choice to leave Earth rather than facing the consequences of their actions; tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Christmas_Invasion_(TV_story)
– Valorum
1 hour ago
The Doctor has always shown a perverse morality toward murderous aliens, giving them the choice to leave Earth rather than facing the consequences of their actions; tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Christmas_Invasion_(TV_story)
– Valorum
1 hour ago
The Doctor has always shown a perverse morality toward murderous aliens, giving them the choice to leave Earth rather than facing the consequences of their actions; tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Christmas_Invasion_(TV_story)
– Valorum
1 hour ago
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2
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It's similar to his reaction to Harriet Jones, British Prime Minister's (*) choice to destroy the Sycorax ship after The Doctor had gotten them to retreat. They'd already lost, in The Doctor's eyes, there was no need to kill them.
One could argue that there's no knowing if pushing Tim Shaw off the crane will result in his death (or at least any more than the DNA bombs will). Presumably, Tim Shaw will return to his planet on some sort of receiving platform, and whether he's on the ground or on the 47th floor of a building would not matter. He was falling as he teleported, but he'd only fallen a few yards or so - when he arrived at home, he'd probably arrive horizontal, but only with the kinetic energy of a very short fall, not a fatal one.
Still, She tells Karl From The Train off, more because at the very least it was a case of kicking Tim Shaw while he was down.
(*) Yes, we know who you are...
answered 53 mins ago
VBartilucci
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It's similar to his reaction to Harriet Jones, British Prime Minister's (*) choice to destroy the Sycorax ship after The Doctor had gotten them to retreat. They'd already lost, in The Doctor's eyes, there was no need to kill them.
One could argue that there's no knowing if pushing Tim Shaw off the crane will result in his death (or at least any more than the DNA bombs will). Presumably, Tim Shaw will return to his planet on some sort of receiving platform, and whether he's on the ground or on the 47th floor of a building would not matter. He was falling as he teleported, but he'd only fallen a few yards or so - when he arrived at home, he'd probably arrive horizontal, but only with the kinetic energy of a very short fall, not a fatal one.
Still, She tells Karl From The Train off, more because at the very least it was a case of kicking Tim Shaw while he was down.
(*) Yes, we know who you are...
answered 53 mins ago
VBartilucci
7,78411635
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
It's similar to his reaction to Harriet Jones, British Prime Minister's (*) choice to destroy the Sycorax ship after The Doctor had gotten them to retreat. They'd already lost, in The Doctor's eyes, there was no need to kill them.
One could argue that there's no knowing if pushing Tim Shaw off the crane will result in his death (or at least any more than the DNA bombs will). Presumably, Tim Shaw will return to his planet on some sort of receiving platform, and whether he's on the ground or on the 47th floor of a building would not matter. He was falling as he teleported, but he'd only fallen a few yards or so - when he arrived at home, he'd probably arrive horizontal, but only with the kinetic energy of a very short fall, not a fatal one.
Still, She tells Karl From The Train off, more because at the very least it was a case of kicking Tim Shaw while he was down.
(*) Yes, we know who you are...
answered 53 mins ago
VBartilucci
7,78411635
It's similar to his reaction to Harriet Jones, British Prime Minister's (*) choice to destroy the Sycorax ship after The Doctor had gotten them to retreat. They'd already lost, in The Doctor's eyes, there was no need to kill them.
One could argue that there's no knowing if pushing Tim Shaw off the crane will result in his death (or at least any more than the DNA bombs will). Presumably, Tim Shaw will return to his planet on some sort of receiving platform, and whether he's on the ground or on the 47th floor of a building would not matter. He was falling as he teleported, but he'd only fallen a few yards or so - when he arrived at home, he'd probably arrive horizontal, but only with the kinetic energy of a very short fall, not a fatal one.
Still, She tells Karl From The Train off, more because at the very least it was a case of kicking Tim Shaw while he was down.
(*) Yes, we know who you are...
answered 53 mins ago
VBartilucci
7,78411635
answered 53 mins ago
VBartilucci
7,78411635
answered 53 mins ago
VBartilucci
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answered 53 mins ago
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Well arguably Tzim-Sha had killed himself, rather than the Doctor doing it. And I thought the "you had no right to do that" was directed at Tzim rather than Karl, though I could be mistaken.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
1
@Jontia True, but I struggled to get that accross in a punchy title. I explain in the post that Tim detonated the bombs. But he had already teleported before she made the comment and she turned to Karl when she said it
– Astralbee
1 hour ago
Good point. Although talking to (or at) characters that have just left is a fairly common TV/Film convention.
– Jontia
1 hour ago
@Sava (cc Astralbee) Making a post entirely spoilers is next to pointless because people have no way of knowing what the spoiler could contain and so will have to read it anyway. In the future can you try and make posts readable without having to see most of the content hidden behind spoiler markdown. I haven't seen the episode yet but I have tried to do this here.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
"Never be cruel, and never be cowardly". That's the consistent promise among all the Doctor's Incarnations.
– tilley31
41 mins ago