I refused work due to an injury, I was threatened with disciplinary? [UK]

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I have a injury that happened outside of work, it is infact an infected toe. I am on antibiotics. I can walk but it is very painful.



The job I normally do is standing all day so I was told to move to another area, which involves walking constantly for the next 10 hours. I refused this work because it was unreasonable, I was then told I am unfit for work, and I should go home. I told my employer they can send me home but they would still have to pay me. They then threatened me with disciplinary, and then said If I stayed inside the building and still refuse the work they would take me off the clock.



  • Failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day

  • Threatened with disciplinary

  • Told I was unfit for work but would not send me home

  • I am fit to work just need adjustments for one day

Are they wrong to act like this?










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  • I used to be, but the one I was with was not very helpful. I cancelled it. I would sign up again to another.
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    1 hour ago










  • If they are still available, you might want to run this question by your local union rep.
    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago










  • Did you inform your supervisor of your injury and reduced mobility at the start of the shift?
    – AdzzzUK
    1 hour ago











  • failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day What makes you think they have to?
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I have a injury that happened outside of work, it is infact an infected toe. I am on antibiotics. I can walk but it is very painful.



The job I normally do is standing all day so I was told to move to another area, which involves walking constantly for the next 10 hours. I refused this work because it was unreasonable, I was then told I am unfit for work, and I should go home. I told my employer they can send me home but they would still have to pay me. They then threatened me with disciplinary, and then said If I stayed inside the building and still refuse the work they would take me off the clock.



  • Failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day

  • Threatened with disciplinary

  • Told I was unfit for work but would not send me home

  • I am fit to work just need adjustments for one day

Are they wrong to act like this?










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    Are you a member of a union?
    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago










  • I used to be, but the one I was with was not very helpful. I cancelled it. I would sign up again to another.
    – qwerty1234
    1 hour ago










  • If they are still available, you might want to run this question by your local union rep.
    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago










  • Did you inform your supervisor of your injury and reduced mobility at the start of the shift?
    – AdzzzUK
    1 hour ago











  • failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day What makes you think they have to?
    – Dan
    1 hour ago













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I have a injury that happened outside of work, it is infact an infected toe. I am on antibiotics. I can walk but it is very painful.



The job I normally do is standing all day so I was told to move to another area, which involves walking constantly for the next 10 hours. I refused this work because it was unreasonable, I was then told I am unfit for work, and I should go home. I told my employer they can send me home but they would still have to pay me. They then threatened me with disciplinary, and then said If I stayed inside the building and still refuse the work they would take me off the clock.



  • Failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day

  • Threatened with disciplinary

  • Told I was unfit for work but would not send me home

  • I am fit to work just need adjustments for one day

Are they wrong to act like this?










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I have a injury that happened outside of work, it is infact an infected toe. I am on antibiotics. I can walk but it is very painful.



The job I normally do is standing all day so I was told to move to another area, which involves walking constantly for the next 10 hours. I refused this work because it was unreasonable, I was then told I am unfit for work, and I should go home. I told my employer they can send me home but they would still have to pay me. They then threatened me with disciplinary, and then said If I stayed inside the building and still refuse the work they would take me off the clock.



  • Failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day

  • Threatened with disciplinary

  • Told I was unfit for work but would not send me home

  • I am fit to work just need adjustments for one day

Are they wrong to act like this?







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  • 3




    Are you a member of a union?
    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago










  • I used to be, but the one I was with was not very helpful. I cancelled it. I would sign up again to another.
    – qwerty1234
    1 hour ago










  • If they are still available, you might want to run this question by your local union rep.
    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago










  • Did you inform your supervisor of your injury and reduced mobility at the start of the shift?
    – AdzzzUK
    1 hour ago











  • failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day What makes you think they have to?
    – Dan
    1 hour ago













  • 3




    Are you a member of a union?
    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago










  • I used to be, but the one I was with was not very helpful. I cancelled it. I would sign up again to another.
    – qwerty1234
    1 hour ago










  • If they are still available, you might want to run this question by your local union rep.
    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago










  • Did you inform your supervisor of your injury and reduced mobility at the start of the shift?
    – AdzzzUK
    1 hour ago











  • failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day What makes you think they have to?
    – Dan
    1 hour ago








3




3




Are you a member of a union?
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago




Are you a member of a union?
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago












I used to be, but the one I was with was not very helpful. I cancelled it. I would sign up again to another.
– qwerty1234
1 hour ago




I used to be, but the one I was with was not very helpful. I cancelled it. I would sign up again to another.
– qwerty1234
1 hour ago












If they are still available, you might want to run this question by your local union rep.
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago




If they are still available, you might want to run this question by your local union rep.
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago












Did you inform your supervisor of your injury and reduced mobility at the start of the shift?
– AdzzzUK
1 hour ago





Did you inform your supervisor of your injury and reduced mobility at the start of the shift?
– AdzzzUK
1 hour ago













failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day What makes you think they have to?
– Dan
1 hour ago





failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day What makes you think they have to?
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Sorry this isn't going to be the answer you wanted..




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




and




I am fit to work just need adjustments for one day.




You're unfit for work through injury/illness not resulting from work activities so should really be following whatever the sickness policy is for your company. The work they requested of you sounds reasonable (something like an office or retail worker being asked to take a 10 mile hike over mountainous terrain when that is couldn't be foreseen as part of the job would be an example of "unreasonable" - just walking around another area of the facility isn't I'm afraid) and you refused to do it. You haven't "shown willing" and therefore the onus is on you to declare yourself sick and leave.



I'm assuming here that your goal in asking to be sent home is to be eligible for pay (also assuming that your employer doesn't offer sick pay beyond Statutory Sick Pay), unfortunately this doesn't apply in your situation as it is you that refused duties first. If (for example) you had agreed to do the work assigned and they had said to you "this isn't working, you can hardly walk - go home!" then it would have counted as you having shown willing and they would have had to pay you (unless you are on a zero-hour contract).



If you have been sick for 4 consecutive days or more (including non-working days) then you are eligible for SSP and can claim that for up to 28 weeks (although it is not paid for the first 3 days).



If your company does provide company sick pay (a.k.a. an "occupational scheme") then check your contract for any conditions that need to be followed (such as reporting methods, deadlines and quantity limits) and if you can meet those then then go home, put your feet up and recuperate! That's what it's there for.




failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day




They are under no obligation to do so, the legal obligations around making "reasonable adjustments" applies in the case of disability, pregnancy (during and after), and long-term health conditions such as arthritis - not because you're sick and injured.




threatened with disciplinary




Are you really surprised by this? You've behaved insubordinately, made unreasonable demands and tried to make your sickness/injury their problem. I'm surprised it's only at the "threat" stage to be honest!




Are they wrong to act like this?




Nope, sorry!






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  • It sounds like they threatened not to pay op if they went home sick. I suspect they would need to by law so your answer is incomplete at best. Or just wrong.
    – Nobody
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  • @Nobody I've added more info to address the question of pay.
    – motosubatsu
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If you refer to the ACAS page on Reasonable adjustments in the workplace, you'll find (unfortunately for you) that employers in the UK are only required to make these adjustments for workers with disabilities - and makes no mention of (presumably short-term) sickness or injury.



As such, their determination that you were "unfit for work" seems to have been justified (at least technically), so it appears that they've done nothing illegal.



I'm not entirely clear on the events you describe around being told that you're unfit for work, as first you write




told I am unfit for work, and I should go home




but then




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




With the limited info you've given it looks to me as though you were expected to "take a sick day", and whether or not that would be paid time off depends on whether or not you have any paid sick days left this year.



Superficially is does seem that they were somewhat unreasonable in asking you to do this other job involving some walking when your normal job is just standing, but you haven't shared much around this so there might be other factors at play here ...






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  • you're correct - reasonable adjustments are applicable only to those considered "disabled" for work purposes. This can include physical and mental health conditions and it doesn't need to be permanent but it does need to be long term and leave the individual at a significant disadvantage for either obtaining to retaining employment
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Sorry this isn't going to be the answer you wanted..




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




and




I am fit to work just need adjustments for one day.




You're unfit for work through injury/illness not resulting from work activities so should really be following whatever the sickness policy is for your company. The work they requested of you sounds reasonable (something like an office or retail worker being asked to take a 10 mile hike over mountainous terrain when that is couldn't be foreseen as part of the job would be an example of "unreasonable" - just walking around another area of the facility isn't I'm afraid) and you refused to do it. You haven't "shown willing" and therefore the onus is on you to declare yourself sick and leave.



I'm assuming here that your goal in asking to be sent home is to be eligible for pay (also assuming that your employer doesn't offer sick pay beyond Statutory Sick Pay), unfortunately this doesn't apply in your situation as it is you that refused duties first. If (for example) you had agreed to do the work assigned and they had said to you "this isn't working, you can hardly walk - go home!" then it would have counted as you having shown willing and they would have had to pay you (unless you are on a zero-hour contract).



If you have been sick for 4 consecutive days or more (including non-working days) then you are eligible for SSP and can claim that for up to 28 weeks (although it is not paid for the first 3 days).



If your company does provide company sick pay (a.k.a. an "occupational scheme") then check your contract for any conditions that need to be followed (such as reporting methods, deadlines and quantity limits) and if you can meet those then then go home, put your feet up and recuperate! That's what it's there for.




failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day




They are under no obligation to do so, the legal obligations around making "reasonable adjustments" applies in the case of disability, pregnancy (during and after), and long-term health conditions such as arthritis - not because you're sick and injured.




threatened with disciplinary




Are you really surprised by this? You've behaved insubordinately, made unreasonable demands and tried to make your sickness/injury their problem. I'm surprised it's only at the "threat" stage to be honest!




Are they wrong to act like this?




Nope, sorry!






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  • It sounds like they threatened not to pay op if they went home sick. I suspect they would need to by law so your answer is incomplete at best. Or just wrong.
    – Nobody
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  • @Nobody I've added more info to address the question of pay.
    – motosubatsu
    52 mins ago














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Sorry this isn't going to be the answer you wanted..




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




and




I am fit to work just need adjustments for one day.




You're unfit for work through injury/illness not resulting from work activities so should really be following whatever the sickness policy is for your company. The work they requested of you sounds reasonable (something like an office or retail worker being asked to take a 10 mile hike over mountainous terrain when that is couldn't be foreseen as part of the job would be an example of "unreasonable" - just walking around another area of the facility isn't I'm afraid) and you refused to do it. You haven't "shown willing" and therefore the onus is on you to declare yourself sick and leave.



I'm assuming here that your goal in asking to be sent home is to be eligible for pay (also assuming that your employer doesn't offer sick pay beyond Statutory Sick Pay), unfortunately this doesn't apply in your situation as it is you that refused duties first. If (for example) you had agreed to do the work assigned and they had said to you "this isn't working, you can hardly walk - go home!" then it would have counted as you having shown willing and they would have had to pay you (unless you are on a zero-hour contract).



If you have been sick for 4 consecutive days or more (including non-working days) then you are eligible for SSP and can claim that for up to 28 weeks (although it is not paid for the first 3 days).



If your company does provide company sick pay (a.k.a. an "occupational scheme") then check your contract for any conditions that need to be followed (such as reporting methods, deadlines and quantity limits) and if you can meet those then then go home, put your feet up and recuperate! That's what it's there for.




failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day




They are under no obligation to do so, the legal obligations around making "reasonable adjustments" applies in the case of disability, pregnancy (during and after), and long-term health conditions such as arthritis - not because you're sick and injured.




threatened with disciplinary




Are you really surprised by this? You've behaved insubordinately, made unreasonable demands and tried to make your sickness/injury their problem. I'm surprised it's only at the "threat" stage to be honest!




Are they wrong to act like this?




Nope, sorry!






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  • It sounds like they threatened not to pay op if they went home sick. I suspect they would need to by law so your answer is incomplete at best. Or just wrong.
    – Nobody
    57 mins ago










  • @Nobody I've added more info to address the question of pay.
    – motosubatsu
    52 mins ago












up vote
6
down vote










up vote
6
down vote









Sorry this isn't going to be the answer you wanted..




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




and




I am fit to work just need adjustments for one day.




You're unfit for work through injury/illness not resulting from work activities so should really be following whatever the sickness policy is for your company. The work they requested of you sounds reasonable (something like an office or retail worker being asked to take a 10 mile hike over mountainous terrain when that is couldn't be foreseen as part of the job would be an example of "unreasonable" - just walking around another area of the facility isn't I'm afraid) and you refused to do it. You haven't "shown willing" and therefore the onus is on you to declare yourself sick and leave.



I'm assuming here that your goal in asking to be sent home is to be eligible for pay (also assuming that your employer doesn't offer sick pay beyond Statutory Sick Pay), unfortunately this doesn't apply in your situation as it is you that refused duties first. If (for example) you had agreed to do the work assigned and they had said to you "this isn't working, you can hardly walk - go home!" then it would have counted as you having shown willing and they would have had to pay you (unless you are on a zero-hour contract).



If you have been sick for 4 consecutive days or more (including non-working days) then you are eligible for SSP and can claim that for up to 28 weeks (although it is not paid for the first 3 days).



If your company does provide company sick pay (a.k.a. an "occupational scheme") then check your contract for any conditions that need to be followed (such as reporting methods, deadlines and quantity limits) and if you can meet those then then go home, put your feet up and recuperate! That's what it's there for.




failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day




They are under no obligation to do so, the legal obligations around making "reasonable adjustments" applies in the case of disability, pregnancy (during and after), and long-term health conditions such as arthritis - not because you're sick and injured.




threatened with disciplinary




Are you really surprised by this? You've behaved insubordinately, made unreasonable demands and tried to make your sickness/injury their problem. I'm surprised it's only at the "threat" stage to be honest!




Are they wrong to act like this?




Nope, sorry!






share|improve this answer














Sorry this isn't going to be the answer you wanted..




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




and




I am fit to work just need adjustments for one day.




You're unfit for work through injury/illness not resulting from work activities so should really be following whatever the sickness policy is for your company. The work they requested of you sounds reasonable (something like an office or retail worker being asked to take a 10 mile hike over mountainous terrain when that is couldn't be foreseen as part of the job would be an example of "unreasonable" - just walking around another area of the facility isn't I'm afraid) and you refused to do it. You haven't "shown willing" and therefore the onus is on you to declare yourself sick and leave.



I'm assuming here that your goal in asking to be sent home is to be eligible for pay (also assuming that your employer doesn't offer sick pay beyond Statutory Sick Pay), unfortunately this doesn't apply in your situation as it is you that refused duties first. If (for example) you had agreed to do the work assigned and they had said to you "this isn't working, you can hardly walk - go home!" then it would have counted as you having shown willing and they would have had to pay you (unless you are on a zero-hour contract).



If you have been sick for 4 consecutive days or more (including non-working days) then you are eligible for SSP and can claim that for up to 28 weeks (although it is not paid for the first 3 days).



If your company does provide company sick pay (a.k.a. an "occupational scheme") then check your contract for any conditions that need to be followed (such as reporting methods, deadlines and quantity limits) and if you can meet those then then go home, put your feet up and recuperate! That's what it's there for.




failed to make reasonable adjustments for 1 day




They are under no obligation to do so, the legal obligations around making "reasonable adjustments" applies in the case of disability, pregnancy (during and after), and long-term health conditions such as arthritis - not because you're sick and injured.




threatened with disciplinary




Are you really surprised by this? You've behaved insubordinately, made unreasonable demands and tried to make your sickness/injury their problem. I'm surprised it's only at the "threat" stage to be honest!




Are they wrong to act like this?




Nope, sorry!







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  • It sounds like they threatened not to pay op if they went home sick. I suspect they would need to by law so your answer is incomplete at best. Or just wrong.
    – Nobody
    57 mins ago










  • @Nobody I've added more info to address the question of pay.
    – motosubatsu
    52 mins ago
















  • It sounds like they threatened not to pay op if they went home sick. I suspect they would need to by law so your answer is incomplete at best. Or just wrong.
    – Nobody
    57 mins ago










  • @Nobody I've added more info to address the question of pay.
    – motosubatsu
    52 mins ago















It sounds like they threatened not to pay op if they went home sick. I suspect they would need to by law so your answer is incomplete at best. Or just wrong.
– Nobody
57 mins ago




It sounds like they threatened not to pay op if they went home sick. I suspect they would need to by law so your answer is incomplete at best. Or just wrong.
– Nobody
57 mins ago












@Nobody I've added more info to address the question of pay.
– motosubatsu
52 mins ago




@Nobody I've added more info to address the question of pay.
– motosubatsu
52 mins ago












up vote
0
down vote













If you refer to the ACAS page on Reasonable adjustments in the workplace, you'll find (unfortunately for you) that employers in the UK are only required to make these adjustments for workers with disabilities - and makes no mention of (presumably short-term) sickness or injury.



As such, their determination that you were "unfit for work" seems to have been justified (at least technically), so it appears that they've done nothing illegal.



I'm not entirely clear on the events you describe around being told that you're unfit for work, as first you write




told I am unfit for work, and I should go home




but then




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




With the limited info you've given it looks to me as though you were expected to "take a sick day", and whether or not that would be paid time off depends on whether or not you have any paid sick days left this year.



Superficially is does seem that they were somewhat unreasonable in asking you to do this other job involving some walking when your normal job is just standing, but you haven't shared much around this so there might be other factors at play here ...






share|improve this answer




















  • you're correct - reasonable adjustments are applicable only to those considered "disabled" for work purposes. This can include physical and mental health conditions and it doesn't need to be permanent but it does need to be long term and leave the individual at a significant disadvantage for either obtaining to retaining employment
    – motosubatsu
    13 mins ago














up vote
0
down vote













If you refer to the ACAS page on Reasonable adjustments in the workplace, you'll find (unfortunately for you) that employers in the UK are only required to make these adjustments for workers with disabilities - and makes no mention of (presumably short-term) sickness or injury.



As such, their determination that you were "unfit for work" seems to have been justified (at least technically), so it appears that they've done nothing illegal.



I'm not entirely clear on the events you describe around being told that you're unfit for work, as first you write




told I am unfit for work, and I should go home




but then




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




With the limited info you've given it looks to me as though you were expected to "take a sick day", and whether or not that would be paid time off depends on whether or not you have any paid sick days left this year.



Superficially is does seem that they were somewhat unreasonable in asking you to do this other job involving some walking when your normal job is just standing, but you haven't shared much around this so there might be other factors at play here ...






share|improve this answer




















  • you're correct - reasonable adjustments are applicable only to those considered "disabled" for work purposes. This can include physical and mental health conditions and it doesn't need to be permanent but it does need to be long term and leave the individual at a significant disadvantage for either obtaining to retaining employment
    – motosubatsu
    13 mins ago












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up vote
0
down vote









If you refer to the ACAS page on Reasonable adjustments in the workplace, you'll find (unfortunately for you) that employers in the UK are only required to make these adjustments for workers with disabilities - and makes no mention of (presumably short-term) sickness or injury.



As such, their determination that you were "unfit for work" seems to have been justified (at least technically), so it appears that they've done nothing illegal.



I'm not entirely clear on the events you describe around being told that you're unfit for work, as first you write




told I am unfit for work, and I should go home




but then




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




With the limited info you've given it looks to me as though you were expected to "take a sick day", and whether or not that would be paid time off depends on whether or not you have any paid sick days left this year.



Superficially is does seem that they were somewhat unreasonable in asking you to do this other job involving some walking when your normal job is just standing, but you haven't shared much around this so there might be other factors at play here ...






share|improve this answer












If you refer to the ACAS page on Reasonable adjustments in the workplace, you'll find (unfortunately for you) that employers in the UK are only required to make these adjustments for workers with disabilities - and makes no mention of (presumably short-term) sickness or injury.



As such, their determination that you were "unfit for work" seems to have been justified (at least technically), so it appears that they've done nothing illegal.



I'm not entirely clear on the events you describe around being told that you're unfit for work, as first you write




told I am unfit for work, and I should go home




but then




told I was unfit for work but would not send me home




With the limited info you've given it looks to me as though you were expected to "take a sick day", and whether or not that would be paid time off depends on whether or not you have any paid sick days left this year.



Superficially is does seem that they were somewhat unreasonable in asking you to do this other job involving some walking when your normal job is just standing, but you haven't shared much around this so there might be other factors at play here ...







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  • you're correct - reasonable adjustments are applicable only to those considered "disabled" for work purposes. This can include physical and mental health conditions and it doesn't need to be permanent but it does need to be long term and leave the individual at a significant disadvantage for either obtaining to retaining employment
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  • you're correct - reasonable adjustments are applicable only to those considered "disabled" for work purposes. This can include physical and mental health conditions and it doesn't need to be permanent but it does need to be long term and leave the individual at a significant disadvantage for either obtaining to retaining employment
    – motosubatsu
    13 mins ago















you're correct - reasonable adjustments are applicable only to those considered "disabled" for work purposes. This can include physical and mental health conditions and it doesn't need to be permanent but it does need to be long term and leave the individual at a significant disadvantage for either obtaining to retaining employment
– motosubatsu
13 mins ago




you're correct - reasonable adjustments are applicable only to those considered "disabled" for work purposes. This can include physical and mental health conditions and it doesn't need to be permanent but it does need to be long term and leave the individual at a significant disadvantage for either obtaining to retaining employment
– motosubatsu
13 mins ago










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