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Who are the three men standing and what are they holding at this University of Paris Doctors' Meeting?
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The image below is used on several cites but none of them give much information on this painting other than "Medieval Education in Europe: Meeting of Doctors in the University of Paris" and the source ("Chants royaux" manuscript, Bibliothèque Nationale, Paris). The painting itself is Early Modern but apparently depict a Medieval scene.
Image source: MEDIEVAL EDUCATION IN EUROPE: A FORCE OF FREEDOM AND SUBMISSION
The same image is also used in the article Contro l’homo academicus. Il corpo vorace delle logiche accademiche, on the Scholasticum site and quite a number of others. The scene depicted may be one of the three Condemnations of 1210–1277.
Who are the three men standing, what are they holding and what is their function at this meeting?
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The image below is used on several cites but none of them give much information on this painting other than "Medieval Education in Europe: Meeting of Doctors in the University of Paris" and the source ("Chants royaux" manuscript, Bibliothèque Nationale, Paris). The painting itself is Early Modern but apparently depict a Medieval scene.
Image source: MEDIEVAL EDUCATION IN EUROPE: A FORCE OF FREEDOM AND SUBMISSION
The same image is also used in the article Contro l’homo academicus. Il corpo vorace delle logiche accademiche, on the Scholasticum site and quite a number of others. The scene depicted may be one of the three Condemnations of 1210–1277.
Who are the three men standing, what are they holding and what is their function at this meeting?
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The objects are ceremonial maces, this implies the mace bearers represent an autonomous (university?) civil power over all proceedings.
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The image below is used on several cites but none of them give much information on this painting other than "Medieval Education in Europe: Meeting of Doctors in the University of Paris" and the source ("Chants royaux" manuscript, Bibliothèque Nationale, Paris). The painting itself is Early Modern but apparently depict a Medieval scene.
Image source: MEDIEVAL EDUCATION IN EUROPE: A FORCE OF FREEDOM AND SUBMISSION
The same image is also used in the article Contro l’homo academicus. Il corpo vorace delle logiche accademiche, on the Scholasticum site and quite a number of others. The scene depicted may be one of the three Condemnations of 1210–1277.
Who are the three men standing, what are they holding and what is their function at this meeting?
middle-ages identification education early-modern
asked 4 hours ago
Lars Bosteen
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The image below is used on several cites but none of them give much information on this painting other than "Medieval Education in Europe: Meeting of Doctors in the University of Paris" and the source ("Chants royaux" manuscript, Bibliothèque Nationale, Paris). The painting itself is Early Modern but apparently depict a Medieval scene.
Image source: MEDIEVAL EDUCATION IN EUROPE: A FORCE OF FREEDOM AND SUBMISSION
The same image is also used in the article Contro l’homo academicus. Il corpo vorace delle logiche accademiche, on the Scholasticum site and quite a number of others. The scene depicted may be one of the three Condemnations of 1210–1277.
Who are the three men standing, what are they holding and what is their function at this meeting?
middle-ages identification education early-modern
middle-ages identification education early-modern
asked 4 hours ago
Lars Bosteen
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asked 4 hours ago
Lars Bosteen
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Lars Bosteen
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asked 4 hours ago
Lars Bosteen
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asked 4 hours ago
Lars Bosteen
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This may be one of the few questions that legitimately includes both the early modern tag and the middle ages tag.... I like it
– Mark C. Wallace♦
4 hours ago
The objects are ceremonial maces, this implies the mace bearers represent an autonomous (university?) civil power over all proceedings.
– Samuel Russell
3 hours ago
add a comment |Â
5
This may be one of the few questions that legitimately includes both the early modern tag and the middle ages tag.... I like it
– Mark C. Wallace♦
4 hours ago
The objects are ceremonial maces, this implies the mace bearers represent an autonomous (university?) civil power over all proceedings.
– Samuel Russell
3 hours ago
5
5
This may be one of the few questions that legitimately includes both the early modern tag and the middle ages tag.... I like it
– Mark C. Wallace♦
4 hours ago
This may be one of the few questions that legitimately includes both the early modern tag and the middle ages tag.... I like it
– Mark C. Wallace♦
4 hours ago
The objects are ceremonial maces, this implies the mace bearers represent an autonomous (university?) civil power over all proceedings.
– Samuel Russell
3 hours ago
The objects are ceremonial maces, this implies the mace bearers represent an autonomous (university?) civil power over all proceedings.
– Samuel Russell
3 hours ago
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The three man are, also according to the text, the three rectors present at a faculty meeting. The staffs they are carrying are rectorial staffs ("Rektorstab"), symbolising their honour and autonomous power over jurisdiction in matters regarding the university. It seems that in English this is similar to a staff of office and similar to ceremonial maces.
The text Chants royaux sur la Conception, couronnés au puy de Rouen de 1519 à1528 does not really give away much of what the picture transports, as the illuminator Colaud seems to really just provides an illustration for how theological disputations are to be imagined within a university. With authority over what is true or not.
These staffs fell mostly so thoroughly out of use that finding one depicted on the net seems quite difficult. It became even more symbolic in now only mentioning the staff symbolically as in "she takes over the rector's staff" as in "someone takes over the office".
This staff is just like the mortarboard an integral part of medieval university ceremony. In that time you not only got the hat on graduation but also a baton, increasing in length, thickness and literal beating power as they were dual use: symbolising learned behaviour and beating that into those beneath you.
Baccalaureat or bachelor is related to the bakel or Rohrstock, in later times its usage was reduced to just instrument of punishment:
this then increased to the magister's, then the doctor's staff, and ended in this fasces-like looking staff that was usually of men' height.
As it fell out of use, I only found mostly images like the following when it is used in a humorous carnival setting:
But here is one authentic one:
The one with the staff is the bedell, the picture is from University of Cologne, 1938, the staff newly made in 1929.
Note that the bedells varied from country to country and also had their own staffs:
These rector's maces were so important in symbolism that for example the university of St Andrews ensured to buy those first, before they had any books to study or buildings. Some later designs then went indeed more from a staff with a fasces like design to more like mace design.
Sources:
Lothar Binger: "Verstockte Welt", Bäßler: Berlin, 2010.
Paul Töbelmann: "Stäbe der Macht. Stabsymbolik in Ritualen des Mittelalters", Matthiesen: Husum, 2011.
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I couldn't find a proper translation for Rektorstab. Any help for that appreciated.
– LangLangC
2 hours ago
Also, a reliable transcript of this early modern French around the pages would be nice. A few weird words I either do not recognise or they do not make much sense to me. So the conclusions drawn from the text have to be called preliminary at best.
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The three man are, also according to the text, the three rectors present at a faculty meeting. The staffs they are carrying are rectorial staffs ("Rektorstab"), symbolising their honour and autonomous power over jurisdiction in matters regarding the university. It seems that in English this is similar to a staff of office and similar to ceremonial maces.
The text Chants royaux sur la Conception, couronnés au puy de Rouen de 1519 à1528 does not really give away much of what the picture transports, as the illuminator Colaud seems to really just provides an illustration for how theological disputations are to be imagined within a university. With authority over what is true or not.
These staffs fell mostly so thoroughly out of use that finding one depicted on the net seems quite difficult. It became even more symbolic in now only mentioning the staff symbolically as in "she takes over the rector's staff" as in "someone takes over the office".
This staff is just like the mortarboard an integral part of medieval university ceremony. In that time you not only got the hat on graduation but also a baton, increasing in length, thickness and literal beating power as they were dual use: symbolising learned behaviour and beating that into those beneath you.
Baccalaureat or bachelor is related to the bakel or Rohrstock, in later times its usage was reduced to just instrument of punishment:
this then increased to the magister's, then the doctor's staff, and ended in this fasces-like looking staff that was usually of men' height.
As it fell out of use, I only found mostly images like the following when it is used in a humorous carnival setting:
But here is one authentic one:
The one with the staff is the bedell, the picture is from University of Cologne, 1938, the staff newly made in 1929.
Note that the bedells varied from country to country and also had their own staffs:
These rector's maces were so important in symbolism that for example the university of St Andrews ensured to buy those first, before they had any books to study or buildings. Some later designs then went indeed more from a staff with a fasces like design to more like mace design.
Sources:
Lothar Binger: "Verstockte Welt", Bäßler: Berlin, 2010.
Paul Töbelmann: "Stäbe der Macht. Stabsymbolik in Ritualen des Mittelalters", Matthiesen: Husum, 2011.
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LangLangC
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I couldn't find a proper translation for Rektorstab. Any help for that appreciated.
– LangLangC
2 hours ago
Also, a reliable transcript of this early modern French around the pages would be nice. A few weird words I either do not recognise or they do not make much sense to me. So the conclusions drawn from the text have to be called preliminary at best.
– LangLangC
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
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The three man are, also according to the text, the three rectors present at a faculty meeting. The staffs they are carrying are rectorial staffs ("Rektorstab"), symbolising their honour and autonomous power over jurisdiction in matters regarding the university. It seems that in English this is similar to a staff of office and similar to ceremonial maces.
The text Chants royaux sur la Conception, couronnés au puy de Rouen de 1519 à1528 does not really give away much of what the picture transports, as the illuminator Colaud seems to really just provides an illustration for how theological disputations are to be imagined within a university. With authority over what is true or not.
These staffs fell mostly so thoroughly out of use that finding one depicted on the net seems quite difficult. It became even more symbolic in now only mentioning the staff symbolically as in "she takes over the rector's staff" as in "someone takes over the office".
This staff is just like the mortarboard an integral part of medieval university ceremony. In that time you not only got the hat on graduation but also a baton, increasing in length, thickness and literal beating power as they were dual use: symbolising learned behaviour and beating that into those beneath you.
Baccalaureat or bachelor is related to the bakel or Rohrstock, in later times its usage was reduced to just instrument of punishment:
this then increased to the magister's, then the doctor's staff, and ended in this fasces-like looking staff that was usually of men' height.
As it fell out of use, I only found mostly images like the following when it is used in a humorous carnival setting:
But here is one authentic one:
The one with the staff is the bedell, the picture is from University of Cologne, 1938, the staff newly made in 1929.
Note that the bedells varied from country to country and also had their own staffs:
These rector's maces were so important in symbolism that for example the university of St Andrews ensured to buy those first, before they had any books to study or buildings. Some later designs then went indeed more from a staff with a fasces like design to more like mace design.
Sources:
Lothar Binger: "Verstockte Welt", Bäßler: Berlin, 2010.
Paul Töbelmann: "Stäbe der Macht. Stabsymbolik in Ritualen des Mittelalters", Matthiesen: Husum, 2011.
answered 2 hours ago
LangLangC
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I couldn't find a proper translation for Rektorstab. Any help for that appreciated.
– LangLangC
2 hours ago
Also, a reliable transcript of this early modern French around the pages would be nice. A few weird words I either do not recognise or they do not make much sense to me. So the conclusions drawn from the text have to be called preliminary at best.
– LangLangC
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
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up vote
4
down vote
The three man are, also according to the text, the three rectors present at a faculty meeting. The staffs they are carrying are rectorial staffs ("Rektorstab"), symbolising their honour and autonomous power over jurisdiction in matters regarding the university. It seems that in English this is similar to a staff of office and similar to ceremonial maces.
The text Chants royaux sur la Conception, couronnés au puy de Rouen de 1519 à1528 does not really give away much of what the picture transports, as the illuminator Colaud seems to really just provides an illustration for how theological disputations are to be imagined within a university. With authority over what is true or not.
These staffs fell mostly so thoroughly out of use that finding one depicted on the net seems quite difficult. It became even more symbolic in now only mentioning the staff symbolically as in "she takes over the rector's staff" as in "someone takes over the office".
This staff is just like the mortarboard an integral part of medieval university ceremony. In that time you not only got the hat on graduation but also a baton, increasing in length, thickness and literal beating power as they were dual use: symbolising learned behaviour and beating that into those beneath you.
Baccalaureat or bachelor is related to the bakel or Rohrstock, in later times its usage was reduced to just instrument of punishment:
this then increased to the magister's, then the doctor's staff, and ended in this fasces-like looking staff that was usually of men' height.
As it fell out of use, I only found mostly images like the following when it is used in a humorous carnival setting:
But here is one authentic one:
The one with the staff is the bedell, the picture is from University of Cologne, 1938, the staff newly made in 1929.
Note that the bedells varied from country to country and also had their own staffs:
These rector's maces were so important in symbolism that for example the university of St Andrews ensured to buy those first, before they had any books to study or buildings. Some later designs then went indeed more from a staff with a fasces like design to more like mace design.
Sources:
Lothar Binger: "Verstockte Welt", Bäßler: Berlin, 2010.
Paul Töbelmann: "Stäbe der Macht. Stabsymbolik in Ritualen des Mittelalters", Matthiesen: Husum, 2011.
answered 2 hours ago
LangLangC
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The three man are, also according to the text, the three rectors present at a faculty meeting. The staffs they are carrying are rectorial staffs ("Rektorstab"), symbolising their honour and autonomous power over jurisdiction in matters regarding the university. It seems that in English this is similar to a staff of office and similar to ceremonial maces.
The text Chants royaux sur la Conception, couronnés au puy de Rouen de 1519 à1528 does not really give away much of what the picture transports, as the illuminator Colaud seems to really just provides an illustration for how theological disputations are to be imagined within a university. With authority over what is true or not.
These staffs fell mostly so thoroughly out of use that finding one depicted on the net seems quite difficult. It became even more symbolic in now only mentioning the staff symbolically as in "she takes over the rector's staff" as in "someone takes over the office".
This staff is just like the mortarboard an integral part of medieval university ceremony. In that time you not only got the hat on graduation but also a baton, increasing in length, thickness and literal beating power as they were dual use: symbolising learned behaviour and beating that into those beneath you.
Baccalaureat or bachelor is related to the bakel or Rohrstock, in later times its usage was reduced to just instrument of punishment:
this then increased to the magister's, then the doctor's staff, and ended in this fasces-like looking staff that was usually of men' height.
As it fell out of use, I only found mostly images like the following when it is used in a humorous carnival setting:
But here is one authentic one:
The one with the staff is the bedell, the picture is from University of Cologne, 1938, the staff newly made in 1929.
Note that the bedells varied from country to country and also had their own staffs:
These rector's maces were so important in symbolism that for example the university of St Andrews ensured to buy those first, before they had any books to study or buildings. Some later designs then went indeed more from a staff with a fasces like design to more like mace design.
Sources:
Lothar Binger: "Verstockte Welt", Bäßler: Berlin, 2010.
Paul Töbelmann: "Stäbe der Macht. Stabsymbolik in Ritualen des Mittelalters", Matthiesen: Husum, 2011.
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I couldn't find a proper translation for Rektorstab. Any help for that appreciated.
– LangLangC
2 hours ago
Also, a reliable transcript of this early modern French around the pages would be nice. A few weird words I either do not recognise or they do not make much sense to me. So the conclusions drawn from the text have to be called preliminary at best.
– LangLangC
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
I couldn't find a proper translation for Rektorstab. Any help for that appreciated.
– LangLangC
2 hours ago
Also, a reliable transcript of this early modern French around the pages would be nice. A few weird words I either do not recognise or they do not make much sense to me. So the conclusions drawn from the text have to be called preliminary at best.
– LangLangC
1 hour ago
I couldn't find a proper translation for Rektorstab. Any help for that appreciated.
– LangLangC
2 hours ago
I couldn't find a proper translation for Rektorstab. Any help for that appreciated.
– LangLangC
2 hours ago
Also, a reliable transcript of this early modern French around the pages would be nice. A few weird words I either do not recognise or they do not make much sense to me. So the conclusions drawn from the text have to be called preliminary at best.
– LangLangC
1 hour ago
Also, a reliable transcript of this early modern French around the pages would be nice. A few weird words I either do not recognise or they do not make much sense to me. So the conclusions drawn from the text have to be called preliminary at best.
– LangLangC
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
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This may be one of the few questions that legitimately includes both the early modern tag and the middle ages tag.... I like it
– Mark C. Wallace♦
4 hours ago
The objects are ceremonial maces, this implies the mace bearers represent an autonomous (university?) civil power over all proceedings.
– Samuel Russell
3 hours ago