Probability of 2 Dice Throws Equal to Sum

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I'm aware this is a very simple question, I must be missing something obvious.



Given that the numbers coming out of two independent dice throws are different, find the probability that that sum of the numbers is 4.



Apparently the correct answer is 1/15. Though my answer is 1/18:



So you can roll either a $(1,3)$ or a $(3,1)$. So then I do ($frac16cdotfrac16$) + ($frac16cdotfrac16$) = $frac118$










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    This is conditional probability because your sample space is not all possible throws but only those throws where the two dice are showing different outcomes.
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I'm aware this is a very simple question, I must be missing something obvious.



Given that the numbers coming out of two independent dice throws are different, find the probability that that sum of the numbers is 4.



Apparently the correct answer is 1/15. Though my answer is 1/18:



So you can roll either a $(1,3)$ or a $(3,1)$. So then I do ($frac16cdotfrac16$) + ($frac16cdotfrac16$) = $frac118$










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    This is conditional probability because your sample space is not all possible throws but only those throws where the two dice are showing different outcomes.
    – Anurag A
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I'm aware this is a very simple question, I must be missing something obvious.



Given that the numbers coming out of two independent dice throws are different, find the probability that that sum of the numbers is 4.



Apparently the correct answer is 1/15. Though my answer is 1/18:



So you can roll either a $(1,3)$ or a $(3,1)$. So then I do ($frac16cdotfrac16$) + ($frac16cdotfrac16$) = $frac118$










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I'm aware this is a very simple question, I must be missing something obvious.



Given that the numbers coming out of two independent dice throws are different, find the probability that that sum of the numbers is 4.



Apparently the correct answer is 1/15. Though my answer is 1/18:



So you can roll either a $(1,3)$ or a $(3,1)$. So then I do ($frac16cdotfrac16$) + ($frac16cdotfrac16$) = $frac118$







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    This is conditional probability because your sample space is not all possible throws but only those throws where the two dice are showing different outcomes.
    – Anurag A
    3 hours ago












  • 2




    This is conditional probability because your sample space is not all possible throws but only those throws where the two dice are showing different outcomes.
    – Anurag A
    3 hours ago







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This is conditional probability because your sample space is not all possible throws but only those throws where the two dice are showing different outcomes.
– Anurag A
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This is conditional probability because your sample space is not all possible throws but only those throws where the two dice are showing different outcomes.
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One way to approach this problem is to count (as you did) the total number of rolls that could give you 4, and then divide by the total number of possible rolls where no two dice are the same.



As you mentioned the number of rolls that give you $4$ is $2$, i.e. $(3,1)$ and $(1,3)$.



However, I think why you're getting $frac118$ is because you then divide by all possible rolls that could occur which is $36$, so you get $frac236$. Instead, you have to divide by all allowable rolls, i.e. rolls that do not have two of the same number. There are $30$ such rolls. To see this you remove all the pairs $(1,1),(2,2),$ etc. from the $36$ total rolls.



This gives you the probability you're looking for:



$frac230 = frac115$



In general, to think of such probability problems you count the amount of what you're looking for and divide by all allowable outcomes you choose from.






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  • Ahh okay thanks. Yeah I guess I interpreted the question wrong, I just removed the (2,2) rolls from my count instead of looking at it in context of a sample space without any double combinations.
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You are given that the numbers on the dice are different, so there are only $30$ throws. We delete the $6$ doubles from the usual $36$. There are two successes, so the chance is $frac 230=frac 115$






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    One way to approach this problem is to count (as you did) the total number of rolls that could give you 4, and then divide by the total number of possible rolls where no two dice are the same.



    As you mentioned the number of rolls that give you $4$ is $2$, i.e. $(3,1)$ and $(1,3)$.



    However, I think why you're getting $frac118$ is because you then divide by all possible rolls that could occur which is $36$, so you get $frac236$. Instead, you have to divide by all allowable rolls, i.e. rolls that do not have two of the same number. There are $30$ such rolls. To see this you remove all the pairs $(1,1),(2,2),$ etc. from the $36$ total rolls.



    This gives you the probability you're looking for:



    $frac230 = frac115$



    In general, to think of such probability problems you count the amount of what you're looking for and divide by all allowable outcomes you choose from.






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    • Ahh okay thanks. Yeah I guess I interpreted the question wrong, I just removed the (2,2) rolls from my count instead of looking at it in context of a sample space without any double combinations.
      – the-realtom
      3 hours ago















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    One way to approach this problem is to count (as you did) the total number of rolls that could give you 4, and then divide by the total number of possible rolls where no two dice are the same.



    As you mentioned the number of rolls that give you $4$ is $2$, i.e. $(3,1)$ and $(1,3)$.



    However, I think why you're getting $frac118$ is because you then divide by all possible rolls that could occur which is $36$, so you get $frac236$. Instead, you have to divide by all allowable rolls, i.e. rolls that do not have two of the same number. There are $30$ such rolls. To see this you remove all the pairs $(1,1),(2,2),$ etc. from the $36$ total rolls.



    This gives you the probability you're looking for:



    $frac230 = frac115$



    In general, to think of such probability problems you count the amount of what you're looking for and divide by all allowable outcomes you choose from.






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    • Ahh okay thanks. Yeah I guess I interpreted the question wrong, I just removed the (2,2) rolls from my count instead of looking at it in context of a sample space without any double combinations.
      – the-realtom
      3 hours ago













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    One way to approach this problem is to count (as you did) the total number of rolls that could give you 4, and then divide by the total number of possible rolls where no two dice are the same.



    As you mentioned the number of rolls that give you $4$ is $2$, i.e. $(3,1)$ and $(1,3)$.



    However, I think why you're getting $frac118$ is because you then divide by all possible rolls that could occur which is $36$, so you get $frac236$. Instead, you have to divide by all allowable rolls, i.e. rolls that do not have two of the same number. There are $30$ such rolls. To see this you remove all the pairs $(1,1),(2,2),$ etc. from the $36$ total rolls.



    This gives you the probability you're looking for:



    $frac230 = frac115$



    In general, to think of such probability problems you count the amount of what you're looking for and divide by all allowable outcomes you choose from.






    share|cite|improve this answer












    One way to approach this problem is to count (as you did) the total number of rolls that could give you 4, and then divide by the total number of possible rolls where no two dice are the same.



    As you mentioned the number of rolls that give you $4$ is $2$, i.e. $(3,1)$ and $(1,3)$.



    However, I think why you're getting $frac118$ is because you then divide by all possible rolls that could occur which is $36$, so you get $frac236$. Instead, you have to divide by all allowable rolls, i.e. rolls that do not have two of the same number. There are $30$ such rolls. To see this you remove all the pairs $(1,1),(2,2),$ etc. from the $36$ total rolls.



    This gives you the probability you're looking for:



    $frac230 = frac115$



    In general, to think of such probability problems you count the amount of what you're looking for and divide by all allowable outcomes you choose from.







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    • Ahh okay thanks. Yeah I guess I interpreted the question wrong, I just removed the (2,2) rolls from my count instead of looking at it in context of a sample space without any double combinations.
      – the-realtom
      3 hours ago

















    • Ahh okay thanks. Yeah I guess I interpreted the question wrong, I just removed the (2,2) rolls from my count instead of looking at it in context of a sample space without any double combinations.
      – the-realtom
      3 hours ago
















    Ahh okay thanks. Yeah I guess I interpreted the question wrong, I just removed the (2,2) rolls from my count instead of looking at it in context of a sample space without any double combinations.
    – the-realtom
    3 hours ago





    Ahh okay thanks. Yeah I guess I interpreted the question wrong, I just removed the (2,2) rolls from my count instead of looking at it in context of a sample space without any double combinations.
    – the-realtom
    3 hours ago











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    You are given that the numbers on the dice are different, so there are only $30$ throws. We delete the $6$ doubles from the usual $36$. There are two successes, so the chance is $frac 230=frac 115$






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      You are given that the numbers on the dice are different, so there are only $30$ throws. We delete the $6$ doubles from the usual $36$. There are two successes, so the chance is $frac 230=frac 115$






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        You are given that the numbers on the dice are different, so there are only $30$ throws. We delete the $6$ doubles from the usual $36$. There are two successes, so the chance is $frac 230=frac 115$






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        You are given that the numbers on the dice are different, so there are only $30$ throws. We delete the $6$ doubles from the usual $36$. There are two successes, so the chance is $frac 230=frac 115$







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