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The Crossbow Expert feat (PHB, pg. 165) says:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
The description of the Versatile property (PHB, pg. 147) says:
Versatile. This weapon can be used with one or two hands. A damage value in parentheses appears with the property — the damage when the weapon is used with two hands to make a melee attack.
If I have a level 4 Ranger (and hence does not have Extra Attack) with the Crossbow Expert feat, and he only has a longsword in his hand at the start of his turn, can he take the Attack action and use it Versatile (i.e. with two hands), then let go of the longsword with one hand (sword still held in his other hand), use his free object interaction to draw a loaded hand crossbow (with his now-free hand) and fire it with his bonus action due to the above quote?
Note that this is not a hypothetical situation; I did this last night (although only once) during the game of an inexperienced DM, and I want to know if I'm gaining an unfair not-RAW advantage by doing this, and if so, stop doing it and let them know that I shouldn't be able to do this.
So there are two questions here, but I believe that they are inseparable*:
- The longsword is a one-handed weapon, but does using it Versatile mean that it is considered a two-handed weapon for that attack and thus disallow the above sequence of events?
- Given that I don't have the hand crossbow in my hand when I make the original attack with the longsword, does that disallow the above sequence because the feat specifies "a hand crossbow you are holding", even though I am holding it after the attack but before my bonus action?
* The reason I think these questions are inseparable is that, if I were to ask the "versatile" question on it's own, the "you are holding" part might be the only reason it doesn't work, but to ask that bit on its own has the obvious answer "why don't you just draw it before you make your attack?" and the answer is that I'm trying to use the sword Versatile first. Hence, these questions don't make sense separately, and I suspect they can both be answered at the same time with one concise answer.
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The Crossbow Expert feat (PHB, pg. 165) says:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
The description of the Versatile property (PHB, pg. 147) says:
Versatile. This weapon can be used with one or two hands. A damage value in parentheses appears with the property — the damage when the weapon is used with two hands to make a melee attack.
If I have a level 4 Ranger (and hence does not have Extra Attack) with the Crossbow Expert feat, and he only has a longsword in his hand at the start of his turn, can he take the Attack action and use it Versatile (i.e. with two hands), then let go of the longsword with one hand (sword still held in his other hand), use his free object interaction to draw a loaded hand crossbow (with his now-free hand) and fire it with his bonus action due to the above quote?
Note that this is not a hypothetical situation; I did this last night (although only once) during the game of an inexperienced DM, and I want to know if I'm gaining an unfair not-RAW advantage by doing this, and if so, stop doing it and let them know that I shouldn't be able to do this.
So there are two questions here, but I believe that they are inseparable*:
- The longsword is a one-handed weapon, but does using it Versatile mean that it is considered a two-handed weapon for that attack and thus disallow the above sequence of events?
- Given that I don't have the hand crossbow in my hand when I make the original attack with the longsword, does that disallow the above sequence because the feat specifies "a hand crossbow you are holding", even though I am holding it after the attack but before my bonus action?
* The reason I think these questions are inseparable is that, if I were to ask the "versatile" question on it's own, the "you are holding" part might be the only reason it doesn't work, but to ask that bit on its own has the obvious answer "why don't you just draw it before you make your attack?" and the answer is that I'm trying to use the sword Versatile first. Hence, these questions don't make sense separately, and I suspect they can both be answered at the same time with one concise answer.
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The Crossbow Expert feat (PHB, pg. 165) says:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
The description of the Versatile property (PHB, pg. 147) says:
Versatile. This weapon can be used with one or two hands. A damage value in parentheses appears with the property — the damage when the weapon is used with two hands to make a melee attack.
If I have a level 4 Ranger (and hence does not have Extra Attack) with the Crossbow Expert feat, and he only has a longsword in his hand at the start of his turn, can he take the Attack action and use it Versatile (i.e. with two hands), then let go of the longsword with one hand (sword still held in his other hand), use his free object interaction to draw a loaded hand crossbow (with his now-free hand) and fire it with his bonus action due to the above quote?
Note that this is not a hypothetical situation; I did this last night (although only once) during the game of an inexperienced DM, and I want to know if I'm gaining an unfair not-RAW advantage by doing this, and if so, stop doing it and let them know that I shouldn't be able to do this.
So there are two questions here, but I believe that they are inseparable*:
- The longsword is a one-handed weapon, but does using it Versatile mean that it is considered a two-handed weapon for that attack and thus disallow the above sequence of events?
- Given that I don't have the hand crossbow in my hand when I make the original attack with the longsword, does that disallow the above sequence because the feat specifies "a hand crossbow you are holding", even though I am holding it after the attack but before my bonus action?
* The reason I think these questions are inseparable is that, if I were to ask the "versatile" question on it's own, the "you are holding" part might be the only reason it doesn't work, but to ask that bit on its own has the obvious answer "why don't you just draw it before you make your attack?" and the answer is that I'm trying to use the sword Versatile first. Hence, these questions don't make sense separately, and I suspect they can both be answered at the same time with one concise answer.
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The Crossbow Expert feat (PHB, pg. 165) says:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
The description of the Versatile property (PHB, pg. 147) says:
Versatile. This weapon can be used with one or two hands. A damage value in parentheses appears with the property — the damage when the weapon is used with two hands to make a melee attack.
If I have a level 4 Ranger (and hence does not have Extra Attack) with the Crossbow Expert feat, and he only has a longsword in his hand at the start of his turn, can he take the Attack action and use it Versatile (i.e. with two hands), then let go of the longsword with one hand (sword still held in his other hand), use his free object interaction to draw a loaded hand crossbow (with his now-free hand) and fire it with his bonus action due to the above quote?
Note that this is not a hypothetical situation; I did this last night (although only once) during the game of an inexperienced DM, and I want to know if I'm gaining an unfair not-RAW advantage by doing this, and if so, stop doing it and let them know that I shouldn't be able to do this.
So there are two questions here, but I believe that they are inseparable*:
- The longsword is a one-handed weapon, but does using it Versatile mean that it is considered a two-handed weapon for that attack and thus disallow the above sequence of events?
- Given that I don't have the hand crossbow in my hand when I make the original attack with the longsword, does that disallow the above sequence because the feat specifies "a hand crossbow you are holding", even though I am holding it after the attack but before my bonus action?
* The reason I think these questions are inseparable is that, if I were to ask the "versatile" question on it's own, the "you are holding" part might be the only reason it doesn't work, but to ask that bit on its own has the obvious answer "why don't you just draw it before you make your attack?" and the answer is that I'm trying to use the sword Versatile first. Hence, these questions don't make sense separately, and I suspect they can both be answered at the same time with one concise answer.
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No, or at least I don't think so
Look at the wording on the crossbow expert feat:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
What this means is that, you must make an attack with a weapon that is considered one-handed, A longsword, while it is a one-handed weapon for starters, is being used as a two-handed weapon, that and, furthermore, the feat implies that the crossbow you have must be held beforehand. Hence why it says "You are holding" and not just "Attack with a hand crossbow" period.
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using a weapon with one hand or using a weapon with the one handed propery are differant, as seen in this question (even though it is about 2 handed but same apllies)
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You need to be holding the Hand Crossbow when you take the Attack action
The wording on the Crossbow Expert feat that you already quote:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
This is very similar to the wording on the Two-weapon fighting rules:
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a Bonus Action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand.
The requirements on holding the weapon are generally understood to mean that you have to already be holding the second weapon when making the Attack action. (See this related answer for details). While this is about two weapon fighting the wording is close enough that we can assume that you are also supposed to be holding the hand crossbow for the Crossbow Expert feat.
Using a Versatile weapon with two hands is not a problem by itself
Using a weapon with the Versatile property is not the same thing as using a two-handed weapon. A Versatile weapon is still considered a one-handed weapon (note the difference in wording used: Crossbow Expert requires an "attack with a one-handed weapon" while two-weapon fighting requires an "attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand".
See this tweet from Jeremy Crawford which explains that Versatile is different from being a two-handed weapon:
Pedro Coelho @rockhollyrabbit · 13 Feb 2017
@JeremyECrawford for the Hexblade pact's Hex Warrior does the 2handed thing include versatile weapons wielded 2 handed or just pure 2handed?
Jeremy Crawford @JeremyECrawford · 13 Feb 2017
Two-handed and versatile are two different weapon properties (PH, 146–7). A reference to one is not a reference to the other: A ≠B.
What this means is that if you somehow found a way to attack with the longsword with both hands while still holding the hand crossbow in another hand (I am not seeing a way to do this barring something strange like having 3 hands), you would theoretically qualify for the Crossbow Expert feat as normal.
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No, or at least I don't think so
Look at the wording on the crossbow expert feat:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
What this means is that, you must make an attack with a weapon that is considered one-handed, A longsword, while it is a one-handed weapon for starters, is being used as a two-handed weapon, that and, furthermore, the feat implies that the crossbow you have must be held beforehand. Hence why it says "You are holding" and not just "Attack with a hand crossbow" period.
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using a weapon with one hand or using a weapon with the one handed propery are differant, as seen in this question (even though it is about 2 handed but same apllies)
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No, or at least I don't think so
Look at the wording on the crossbow expert feat:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
What this means is that, you must make an attack with a weapon that is considered one-handed, A longsword, while it is a one-handed weapon for starters, is being used as a two-handed weapon, that and, furthermore, the feat implies that the crossbow you have must be held beforehand. Hence why it says "You are holding" and not just "Attack with a hand crossbow" period.
answered 47 mins ago
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using a weapon with one hand or using a weapon with the one handed propery are differant, as seen in this question (even though it is about 2 handed but same apllies)
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No, or at least I don't think so
Look at the wording on the crossbow expert feat:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
What this means is that, you must make an attack with a weapon that is considered one-handed, A longsword, while it is a one-handed weapon for starters, is being used as a two-handed weapon, that and, furthermore, the feat implies that the crossbow you have must be held beforehand. Hence why it says "You are holding" and not just "Attack with a hand crossbow" period.
answered 47 mins ago
Ghiojo
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No, or at least I don't think so
Look at the wording on the crossbow expert feat:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
What this means is that, you must make an attack with a weapon that is considered one-handed, A longsword, while it is a one-handed weapon for starters, is being used as a two-handed weapon, that and, furthermore, the feat implies that the crossbow you have must be held beforehand. Hence why it says "You are holding" and not just "Attack with a hand crossbow" period.
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using a weapon with one hand or using a weapon with the one handed propery are differant, as seen in this question (even though it is about 2 handed but same apllies)
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using a weapon with one hand or using a weapon with the one handed propery are differant, as seen in this question (even though it is about 2 handed but same apllies)
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using a weapon with one hand or using a weapon with the one handed propery are differant, as seen in this question (even though it is about 2 handed but same apllies)
– darnok
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using a weapon with one hand or using a weapon with the one handed propery are differant, as seen in this question (even though it is about 2 handed but same apllies)
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You need to be holding the Hand Crossbow when you take the Attack action
The wording on the Crossbow Expert feat that you already quote:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
This is very similar to the wording on the Two-weapon fighting rules:
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a Bonus Action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand.
The requirements on holding the weapon are generally understood to mean that you have to already be holding the second weapon when making the Attack action. (See this related answer for details). While this is about two weapon fighting the wording is close enough that we can assume that you are also supposed to be holding the hand crossbow for the Crossbow Expert feat.
Using a Versatile weapon with two hands is not a problem by itself
Using a weapon with the Versatile property is not the same thing as using a two-handed weapon. A Versatile weapon is still considered a one-handed weapon (note the difference in wording used: Crossbow Expert requires an "attack with a one-handed weapon" while two-weapon fighting requires an "attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand".
See this tweet from Jeremy Crawford which explains that Versatile is different from being a two-handed weapon:
Pedro Coelho @rockhollyrabbit · 13 Feb 2017
@JeremyECrawford for the Hexblade pact's Hex Warrior does the 2handed thing include versatile weapons wielded 2 handed or just pure 2handed?
Jeremy Crawford @JeremyECrawford · 13 Feb 2017
Two-handed and versatile are two different weapon properties (PH, 146–7). A reference to one is not a reference to the other: A ≠B.
What this means is that if you somehow found a way to attack with the longsword with both hands while still holding the hand crossbow in another hand (I am not seeing a way to do this barring something strange like having 3 hands), you would theoretically qualify for the Crossbow Expert feat as normal.
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You need to be holding the Hand Crossbow when you take the Attack action
The wording on the Crossbow Expert feat that you already quote:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
This is very similar to the wording on the Two-weapon fighting rules:
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a Bonus Action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand.
The requirements on holding the weapon are generally understood to mean that you have to already be holding the second weapon when making the Attack action. (See this related answer for details). While this is about two weapon fighting the wording is close enough that we can assume that you are also supposed to be holding the hand crossbow for the Crossbow Expert feat.
Using a Versatile weapon with two hands is not a problem by itself
Using a weapon with the Versatile property is not the same thing as using a two-handed weapon. A Versatile weapon is still considered a one-handed weapon (note the difference in wording used: Crossbow Expert requires an "attack with a one-handed weapon" while two-weapon fighting requires an "attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand".
See this tweet from Jeremy Crawford which explains that Versatile is different from being a two-handed weapon:
Pedro Coelho @rockhollyrabbit · 13 Feb 2017
@JeremyECrawford for the Hexblade pact's Hex Warrior does the 2handed thing include versatile weapons wielded 2 handed or just pure 2handed?
Jeremy Crawford @JeremyECrawford · 13 Feb 2017
Two-handed and versatile are two different weapon properties (PH, 146–7). A reference to one is not a reference to the other: A ≠B.
What this means is that if you somehow found a way to attack with the longsword with both hands while still holding the hand crossbow in another hand (I am not seeing a way to do this barring something strange like having 3 hands), you would theoretically qualify for the Crossbow Expert feat as normal.
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You need to be holding the Hand Crossbow when you take the Attack action
The wording on the Crossbow Expert feat that you already quote:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
This is very similar to the wording on the Two-weapon fighting rules:
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a Bonus Action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand.
The requirements on holding the weapon are generally understood to mean that you have to already be holding the second weapon when making the Attack action. (See this related answer for details). While this is about two weapon fighting the wording is close enough that we can assume that you are also supposed to be holding the hand crossbow for the Crossbow Expert feat.
Using a Versatile weapon with two hands is not a problem by itself
Using a weapon with the Versatile property is not the same thing as using a two-handed weapon. A Versatile weapon is still considered a one-handed weapon (note the difference in wording used: Crossbow Expert requires an "attack with a one-handed weapon" while two-weapon fighting requires an "attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand".
See this tweet from Jeremy Crawford which explains that Versatile is different from being a two-handed weapon:
Pedro Coelho @rockhollyrabbit · 13 Feb 2017
@JeremyECrawford for the Hexblade pact's Hex Warrior does the 2handed thing include versatile weapons wielded 2 handed or just pure 2handed?
Jeremy Crawford @JeremyECrawford · 13 Feb 2017
Two-handed and versatile are two different weapon properties (PH, 146–7). A reference to one is not a reference to the other: A ≠B.
What this means is that if you somehow found a way to attack with the longsword with both hands while still holding the hand crossbow in another hand (I am not seeing a way to do this barring something strange like having 3 hands), you would theoretically qualify for the Crossbow Expert feat as normal.
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You need to be holding the Hand Crossbow when you take the Attack action
The wording on the Crossbow Expert feat that you already quote:
When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.
This is very similar to the wording on the Two-weapon fighting rules:
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a Bonus Action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand.
The requirements on holding the weapon are generally understood to mean that you have to already be holding the second weapon when making the Attack action. (See this related answer for details). While this is about two weapon fighting the wording is close enough that we can assume that you are also supposed to be holding the hand crossbow for the Crossbow Expert feat.
Using a Versatile weapon with two hands is not a problem by itself
Using a weapon with the Versatile property is not the same thing as using a two-handed weapon. A Versatile weapon is still considered a one-handed weapon (note the difference in wording used: Crossbow Expert requires an "attack with a one-handed weapon" while two-weapon fighting requires an "attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand".
See this tweet from Jeremy Crawford which explains that Versatile is different from being a two-handed weapon:
Pedro Coelho @rockhollyrabbit · 13 Feb 2017
@JeremyECrawford for the Hexblade pact's Hex Warrior does the 2handed thing include versatile weapons wielded 2 handed or just pure 2handed?
Jeremy Crawford @JeremyECrawford · 13 Feb 2017
Two-handed and versatile are two different weapon properties (PH, 146–7). A reference to one is not a reference to the other: A ≠B.
What this means is that if you somehow found a way to attack with the longsword with both hands while still holding the hand crossbow in another hand (I am not seeing a way to do this barring something strange like having 3 hands), you would theoretically qualify for the Crossbow Expert feat as normal.
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