What is the strongest oxidising agent?

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I searched for the strongest oxidising agent and I found different results: $ceClF3$, $ceHArF$, $ceF2$ are the three participants.

Many said $ceClF3$ is the most powerful as it oxidises everything, even asbestos, sand, concrete, and can set fire to anything which can't be stopped; it can only be stored in Teflon.

And $ceHArF$ can be a good oxidant due to high instability as a compound of argon with fluorine, but not much of it is available.

Which of those molecules is the strongest oxidising agent?

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I searched for the strongest oxidising agent and I found different results: $ceClF3$, $ceHArF$, $ceF2$ are the three participants.

Many said $ceClF3$ is the most powerful as it oxidises everything, even asbestos, sand, concrete, and can set fire to anything which can't be stopped; it can only be stored in Teflon.

And $ceHArF$ can be a good oxidant due to high instability as a compound of argon with fluorine, but not much of it is available.

Which of those molecules is the strongest oxidising agent?

inorganic-chemistry redox

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I searched for the strongest oxidising agent and I found different results: $ceClF3$, $ceHArF$, $ceF2$ are the three participants.

Many said $ceClF3$ is the most powerful as it oxidises everything, even asbestos, sand, concrete, and can set fire to anything which can't be stopped; it can only be stored in Teflon.

And $ceHArF$ can be a good oxidant due to high instability as a compound of argon with fluorine, but not much of it is available.

Which of those molecules is the strongest oxidising agent?

inorganic-chemistry redox

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I searched for the strongest oxidising agent and I found different results: $ceClF3$, $ceHArF$, $ceF2$ are the three participants.

Many said $ceClF3$ is the most powerful as it oxidises everything, even asbestos, sand, concrete, and can set fire to anything which can't be stopped; it can only be stored in Teflon.

And $ceHArF$ can be a good oxidant due to high instability as a compound of argon with fluorine, but not much of it is available.

Which of those molecules is the strongest oxidising agent?

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There is no definitive answer; if you think you have one, you are wrong.

See, this is much like asking "what is the northernmost big city". Depending on where you draw the line for being "big", the answer may be Moscow (latitude $55^circ$N, population 13M), St. Petersburg ($60^circ$N, 5M), Murmansk ($68^circ$N, 300K), and quite a few others. There is no natural and universally accepted way to draw that line; it is inherently arbitrary.

How's that similar, might you ask, as you don't have any such line in your question? Yes you do, and here is it: you want the compounds which exist. Really, you don't want any compounds which don't exist, do you?

Now there's a catch: we have quite a few different subtle grades to "exist", and no natural way to draw the line that would make it clearcut black-and-white. In fact, in absence of further context it is about as ill-defined and vague as "being big" for a city. In my personal taste, $ceHArF$ does not exist; if you point me to the papers that claim otherwise, I'll throw at you (figuratively) $ceHe^2+$, AKA an $alpha$ particle, which was known for a good century longer, surely does exist, and will easily oxidize $ceHArF$, I'm pretty confident on that.

There is another dimension to the problem. Oxidative ability of any compound is not measured by one number so that you could compare them. True, there is redox potential, but it is measured in standard conditions, and in different conditions things may turn out other way around. So there is not going to be an answer even if we would unanimously agree on the definition of "exists" (which we wouldn't).

So it goes.

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  HArF exist , its mentioned on wikipedia with all information with melting point and bond energies . What about F2 can protonate From F+ . I don't think so
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  Yeah, I've seen that page, and that's what I call "don't exist"; also, the page doesn't claim it has a melting point, even if a cursory glance might have convinced you otherwise. The rest is puzzling to me; I never said a thing about anything protonating anything.
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There is no definitive answer; if you think you have one, you are wrong.

See, this is much like asking "what is the northernmost big city". Depending on where you draw the line for being "big", the answer may be Moscow (latitude $55^circ$N, population 13M), St. Petersburg ($60^circ$N, 5M), Murmansk ($68^circ$N, 300K), and quite a few others. There is no natural and universally accepted way to draw that line; it is inherently arbitrary.

How's that similar, might you ask, as you don't have any such line in your question? Yes you do, and here is it: you want the compounds which exist. Really, you don't want any compounds which don't exist, do you?

Now there's a catch: we have quite a few different subtle grades to "exist", and no natural way to draw the line that would make it clearcut black-and-white. In fact, in absence of further context it is about as ill-defined and vague as "being big" for a city. In my personal taste, $ceHArF$ does not exist; if you point me to the papers that claim otherwise, I'll throw at you (figuratively) $ceHe^2+$, AKA an $alpha$ particle, which was known for a good century longer, surely does exist, and will easily oxidize $ceHArF$, I'm pretty confident on that.

There is another dimension to the problem. Oxidative ability of any compound is not measured by one number so that you could compare them. True, there is redox potential, but it is measured in standard conditions, and in different conditions things may turn out other way around. So there is not going to be an answer even if we would unanimously agree on the definition of "exists" (which we wouldn't).

So it goes.

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  HArF exist , its mentioned on wikipedia with all information with melting point and bond energies . What about F2 can protonate From F+ . I don't think so
  – Harsh jain
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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Yeah, I've seen that page, and that's what I call "don't exist"; also, the page doesn't claim it has a melting point, even if a cursory glance might have convinced you otherwise. The rest is puzzling to me; I never said a thing about anything protonating anything.
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There is no definitive answer; if you think you have one, you are wrong.

See, this is much like asking "what is the northernmost big city". Depending on where you draw the line for being "big", the answer may be Moscow (latitude $55^circ$N, population 13M), St. Petersburg ($60^circ$N, 5M), Murmansk ($68^circ$N, 300K), and quite a few others. There is no natural and universally accepted way to draw that line; it is inherently arbitrary.

How's that similar, might you ask, as you don't have any such line in your question? Yes you do, and here is it: you want the compounds which exist. Really, you don't want any compounds which don't exist, do you?

Now there's a catch: we have quite a few different subtle grades to "exist", and no natural way to draw the line that would make it clearcut black-and-white. In fact, in absence of further context it is about as ill-defined and vague as "being big" for a city. In my personal taste, $ceHArF$ does not exist; if you point me to the papers that claim otherwise, I'll throw at you (figuratively) $ceHe^2+$, AKA an $alpha$ particle, which was known for a good century longer, surely does exist, and will easily oxidize $ceHArF$, I'm pretty confident on that.

There is another dimension to the problem. Oxidative ability of any compound is not measured by one number so that you could compare them. True, there is redox potential, but it is measured in standard conditions, and in different conditions things may turn out other way around. So there is not going to be an answer even if we would unanimously agree on the definition of "exists" (which we wouldn't).

So it goes.

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  HArF exist , its mentioned on wikipedia with all information with melting point and bond energies . What about F2 can protonate From F+ . I don't think so
  – Harsh jain
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Yeah, I've seen that page, and that's what I call "don't exist"; also, the page doesn't claim it has a melting point, even if a cursory glance might have convinced you otherwise. The rest is puzzling to me; I never said a thing about anything protonating anything.
  – Ivan Neretin
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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There is no definitive answer; if you think you have one, you are wrong.

See, this is much like asking "what is the northernmost big city". Depending on where you draw the line for being "big", the answer may be Moscow (latitude $55^circ$N, population 13M), St. Petersburg ($60^circ$N, 5M), Murmansk ($68^circ$N, 300K), and quite a few others. There is no natural and universally accepted way to draw that line; it is inherently arbitrary.

How's that similar, might you ask, as you don't have any such line in your question? Yes you do, and here is it: you want the compounds which exist. Really, you don't want any compounds which don't exist, do you?

Now there's a catch: we have quite a few different subtle grades to "exist", and no natural way to draw the line that would make it clearcut black-and-white. In fact, in absence of further context it is about as ill-defined and vague as "being big" for a city. In my personal taste, $ceHArF$ does not exist; if you point me to the papers that claim otherwise, I'll throw at you (figuratively) $ceHe^2+$, AKA an $alpha$ particle, which was known for a good century longer, surely does exist, and will easily oxidize $ceHArF$, I'm pretty confident on that.

There is another dimension to the problem. Oxidative ability of any compound is not measured by one number so that you could compare them. True, there is redox potential, but it is measured in standard conditions, and in different conditions things may turn out other way around. So there is not going to be an answer even if we would unanimously agree on the definition of "exists" (which we wouldn't).

So it goes.

share|improve this answer

edited 3 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

Ivan Neretin

21.9k34481

There is no definitive answer; if you think you have one, you are wrong.

See, this is much like asking "what is the northernmost big city". Depending on where you draw the line for being "big", the answer may be Moscow (latitude $55^circ$N, population 13M), St. Petersburg ($60^circ$N, 5M), Murmansk ($68^circ$N, 300K), and quite a few others. There is no natural and universally accepted way to draw that line; it is inherently arbitrary.

How's that similar, might you ask, as you don't have any such line in your question? Yes you do, and here is it: you want the compounds which exist. Really, you don't want any compounds which don't exist, do you?

Now there's a catch: we have quite a few different subtle grades to "exist", and no natural way to draw the line that would make it clearcut black-and-white. In fact, in absence of further context it is about as ill-defined and vague as "being big" for a city. In my personal taste, $ceHArF$ does not exist; if you point me to the papers that claim otherwise, I'll throw at you (figuratively) $ceHe^2+$, AKA an $alpha$ particle, which was known for a good century longer, surely does exist, and will easily oxidize $ceHArF$, I'm pretty confident on that.

There is another dimension to the problem. Oxidative ability of any compound is not measured by one number so that you could compare them. True, there is redox potential, but it is measured in standard conditions, and in different conditions things may turn out other way around. So there is not going to be an answer even if we would unanimously agree on the definition of "exists" (which we wouldn't).

So it goes.

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edited 3 hours ago

edited 3 hours ago

edited 3 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

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answered 4 hours ago

Ivan Neretin

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answered 4 hours ago

Ivan Neretin

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  HArF exist , its mentioned on wikipedia with all information with melting point and bond energies . What about F2 can protonate From F+ . I don't think so
  – Harsh jain
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Yeah, I've seen that page, and that's what I call "don't exist"; also, the page doesn't claim it has a melting point, even if a cursory glance might have convinced you otherwise. The rest is puzzling to me; I never said a thing about anything protonating anything.
  – Ivan Neretin
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  HArF exist , its mentioned on wikipedia with all information with melting point and bond energies . What about F2 can protonate From F+ . I don't think so
  – Harsh jain
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Yeah, I've seen that page, and that's what I call "don't exist"; also, the page doesn't claim it has a melting point, even if a cursory glance might have convinced you otherwise. The rest is puzzling to me; I never said a thing about anything protonating anything.
  – Ivan Neretin
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

HArF exist , its mentioned on wikipedia with all information with melting point and bond energies . What about F2 can protonate From F+ . I don't think so
– Harsh jain
2 hours ago

HArF exist , its mentioned on wikipedia with all information with melting point and bond energies . What about F2 can protonate From F+ . I don't think so
– Harsh jain
2 hours ago

Yeah, I've seen that page, and that's what I call "don't exist"; also, the page doesn't claim it has a melting point, even if a cursory glance might have convinced you otherwise. The rest is puzzling to me; I never said a thing about anything protonating anything.
– Ivan Neretin
2 hours ago

Yeah, I've seen that page, and that's what I call "don't exist"; also, the page doesn't claim it has a melting point, even if a cursory glance might have convinced you otherwise. The rest is puzzling to me; I never said a thing about anything protonating anything.
– Ivan Neretin
2 hours ago

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