Does it violate academic social norm to email someone around midnight?

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I do this often because this is when I wrap up the stuff for my day. But I wonder if it is considered intrusive. I imagine a scenario where a phone that is linked to gmail rings due to my email, and that wakes up the person I intend to email.



Can people chime in whether it is out of the norm to email around midnight?



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    I email my research advisor often at 4 am with updates, and sometimes he'll respond at 5 am, when my day is ending and his is just starting ...
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    @JalapenoNachos Haha, I did that at 6 am, immediately went to bed, and my advisor emailed back 10 minutes later. Was actually woken up by his email due to my phone.
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I do this often because this is when I wrap up the stuff for my day. But I wonder if it is considered intrusive. I imagine a scenario where a phone that is linked to gmail rings due to my email, and that wakes up the person I intend to email.



Can people chime in whether it is out of the norm to email around midnight?



Should I try to refrain from doing this?










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  • Some countries are making it clear to employers that "the end of the day" means employees don't have to answer work emails after hours....
    – Solar Mike
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    I email my research advisor often at 4 am with updates, and sometimes he'll respond at 5 am, when my day is ending and his is just starting ...
    – Jalapeno Nachos
    2 hours ago






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    @JalapenoNachos Haha, I did that at 6 am, immediately went to bed, and my advisor emailed back 10 minutes later. Was actually woken up by his email due to my phone.
    – Working past 12 am is bad
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I do this often because this is when I wrap up the stuff for my day. But I wonder if it is considered intrusive. I imagine a scenario where a phone that is linked to gmail rings due to my email, and that wakes up the person I intend to email.



Can people chime in whether it is out of the norm to email around midnight?



Should I try to refrain from doing this?










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I do this often because this is when I wrap up the stuff for my day. But I wonder if it is considered intrusive. I imagine a scenario where a phone that is linked to gmail rings due to my email, and that wakes up the person I intend to email.



Can people chime in whether it is out of the norm to email around midnight?



Should I try to refrain from doing this?







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  • Some countries are making it clear to employers that "the end of the day" means employees don't have to answer work emails after hours....
    – Solar Mike
    3 hours ago






  • 4




    I email my research advisor often at 4 am with updates, and sometimes he'll respond at 5 am, when my day is ending and his is just starting ...
    – Jalapeno Nachos
    2 hours ago






  • 1




    @JalapenoNachos Haha, I did that at 6 am, immediately went to bed, and my advisor emailed back 10 minutes later. Was actually woken up by his email due to my phone.
    – Working past 12 am is bad
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  • I got a review request for close vote of this question. The close voter chooses "off-topic" reason. After scratching my head for several minutes, I failed to think of any reason this question is off-topic. Would the close voter offer an explanation?
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  • Some countries are making it clear to employers that "the end of the day" means employees don't have to answer work emails after hours....
    – Solar Mike
    3 hours ago






  • 4




    I email my research advisor often at 4 am with updates, and sometimes he'll respond at 5 am, when my day is ending and his is just starting ...
    – Jalapeno Nachos
    2 hours ago






  • 1




    @JalapenoNachos Haha, I did that at 6 am, immediately went to bed, and my advisor emailed back 10 minutes later. Was actually woken up by his email due to my phone.
    – Working past 12 am is bad
    2 hours ago











  • I got a review request for close vote of this question. The close voter chooses "off-topic" reason. After scratching my head for several minutes, I failed to think of any reason this question is off-topic. Would the close voter offer an explanation?
    – scaaahu
    10 mins ago















Some countries are making it clear to employers that "the end of the day" means employees don't have to answer work emails after hours....
– Solar Mike
3 hours ago




Some countries are making it clear to employers that "the end of the day" means employees don't have to answer work emails after hours....
– Solar Mike
3 hours ago




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4




I email my research advisor often at 4 am with updates, and sometimes he'll respond at 5 am, when my day is ending and his is just starting ...
– Jalapeno Nachos
2 hours ago




I email my research advisor often at 4 am with updates, and sometimes he'll respond at 5 am, when my day is ending and his is just starting ...
– Jalapeno Nachos
2 hours ago




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@JalapenoNachos Haha, I did that at 6 am, immediately went to bed, and my advisor emailed back 10 minutes later. Was actually woken up by his email due to my phone.
– Working past 12 am is bad
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@JalapenoNachos Haha, I did that at 6 am, immediately went to bed, and my advisor emailed back 10 minutes later. Was actually woken up by his email due to my phone.
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I got a review request for close vote of this question. The close voter chooses "off-topic" reason. After scratching my head for several minutes, I failed to think of any reason this question is off-topic. Would the close voter offer an explanation?
– scaaahu
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I got a review request for close vote of this question. The close voter chooses "off-topic" reason. After scratching my head for several minutes, I failed to think of any reason this question is off-topic. Would the close voter offer an explanation?
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No, you do not have to refrain from doing this.



What is midnight to you? Is it now? Because if it's midnight for you now, halfway across the world, it's noon. It's completely logical that someone halfway around the world will be active right now. If this person wants to email you, should he or she wait 12 hours until it's noon for you?



If anything, I'd say you (or the person you're emailing) should turn off their phone when going to sleep.






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    I would say it somewhat depends on the nature of the message and overall context.



    I am not troubled if a message from a colleague working in another country comes overnight, there are obvious reasons for it.



    However, when I see a couple of emails sent by the Head of Department to the whole Department in the middle of the night, it's slightly concerning. In addition to the things explicitly requested in the email, it also implies that these requests are particularly urgent and important and keep the HoD working overnight. This in turn creates an expectation that such email has to be acted upon immediately, particularly if some colleague responds to it and triggers a discussion. A few repetitions like this solidify a culture, when colleagues are expected to take work home and are falling behind if they don't.






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      I've seen colleagues append a message along the lines of "Due to carer responsibilities I work flexible hours and sometimes send emails late at night. This does not mean that you are expected to respond outside standard business hours." IMHO helpful for preventing the sort of issue that you describe.
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    The good thing (maybe the only good thing) about email is that it's by nature asynchronous. A phone call in the middle of the night is intrusive, because there is an explicit expectation that the receiver does something about the call right there and then. An email is not like that - if you send an email, it will happily sit in the inbox of the recipient until they explicitly take an action to react upon it. Consequently, it does not matter when you send the email.




    I imagine a scenario where a phone that is linked to gmail rings due to my email, and that wakes up the person I intend to email.




    This is, in my opinion, not a valid concern. First of all, the kind of person who is annoyed by getting disturbed by email outside of work hours has a very easy fix to the problem - turn off notifications. In my opinion, if you explicitly have notifications enabled you can't at the same time be annoyed that you get notified.



    Second, you'll need to understand an almost universal basic truth - starting from a certain seniority, most people in academia get a lot of email. Hundreds per day, in some cases. Many of these emails will come in during the night. If you wake up every time you get an email from one of your collaborators on a different continent, you won't get much sleep at all. So your email is highly unlikely to wake anybody up, because it will drown in the flood of other emails people get over the night.



    That said, as discussed in a somewhat related recent question, if you are a supervisor or manager, it may pay to be somewhat careful about what "message" you transport with when you send emails. In this question, a student was stressed because their supervisor kept sending them mails in the night, and the student interpreted these as work items that needed to be done until the next morning. Also, if you as a supervisor are clearly working until midnight, it may implicitly communicate certain expectations and standards that you don't really want in your team.






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      People have different wake/sleep and work/relax rhythms, and with flexible working hours and home office, it's hard to guess when people do work and when not (especially in academics).



      Therefore I think the responsibility shifted from the sender to the receiver of the message: Most (all?) smartphones nowadays have a "do not disturb" modus which automatically turns off the sound and vibration at night or during personally defined times. Send me e-mails whenever you want or call me whenever you want, because if I don't want to be disturbed, I take care I won't.





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        No, you do not have to refrain from doing this.



        What is midnight to you? Is it now? Because if it's midnight for you now, halfway across the world, it's noon. It's completely logical that someone halfway around the world will be active right now. If this person wants to email you, should he or she wait 12 hours until it's noon for you?



        If anything, I'd say you (or the person you're emailing) should turn off their phone when going to sleep.






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          No, you do not have to refrain from doing this.



          What is midnight to you? Is it now? Because if it's midnight for you now, halfway across the world, it's noon. It's completely logical that someone halfway around the world will be active right now. If this person wants to email you, should he or she wait 12 hours until it's noon for you?



          If anything, I'd say you (or the person you're emailing) should turn off their phone when going to sleep.






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            No, you do not have to refrain from doing this.



            What is midnight to you? Is it now? Because if it's midnight for you now, halfway across the world, it's noon. It's completely logical that someone halfway around the world will be active right now. If this person wants to email you, should he or she wait 12 hours until it's noon for you?



            If anything, I'd say you (or the person you're emailing) should turn off their phone when going to sleep.






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            No, you do not have to refrain from doing this.



            What is midnight to you? Is it now? Because if it's midnight for you now, halfway across the world, it's noon. It's completely logical that someone halfway around the world will be active right now. If this person wants to email you, should he or she wait 12 hours until it's noon for you?



            If anything, I'd say you (or the person you're emailing) should turn off their phone when going to sleep.







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                I would say it somewhat depends on the nature of the message and overall context.



                I am not troubled if a message from a colleague working in another country comes overnight, there are obvious reasons for it.



                However, when I see a couple of emails sent by the Head of Department to the whole Department in the middle of the night, it's slightly concerning. In addition to the things explicitly requested in the email, it also implies that these requests are particularly urgent and important and keep the HoD working overnight. This in turn creates an expectation that such email has to be acted upon immediately, particularly if some colleague responds to it and triggers a discussion. A few repetitions like this solidify a culture, when colleagues are expected to take work home and are falling behind if they don't.






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                  I've seen colleagues append a message along the lines of "Due to carer responsibilities I work flexible hours and sometimes send emails late at night. This does not mean that you are expected to respond outside standard business hours." IMHO helpful for preventing the sort of issue that you describe.
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                I would say it somewhat depends on the nature of the message and overall context.



                I am not troubled if a message from a colleague working in another country comes overnight, there are obvious reasons for it.



                However, when I see a couple of emails sent by the Head of Department to the whole Department in the middle of the night, it's slightly concerning. In addition to the things explicitly requested in the email, it also implies that these requests are particularly urgent and important and keep the HoD working overnight. This in turn creates an expectation that such email has to be acted upon immediately, particularly if some colleague responds to it and triggers a discussion. A few repetitions like this solidify a culture, when colleagues are expected to take work home and are falling behind if they don't.






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                  I've seen colleagues append a message along the lines of "Due to carer responsibilities I work flexible hours and sometimes send emails late at night. This does not mean that you are expected to respond outside standard business hours." IMHO helpful for preventing the sort of issue that you describe.
                  – Geoffrey Brent
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                I would say it somewhat depends on the nature of the message and overall context.



                I am not troubled if a message from a colleague working in another country comes overnight, there are obvious reasons for it.



                However, when I see a couple of emails sent by the Head of Department to the whole Department in the middle of the night, it's slightly concerning. In addition to the things explicitly requested in the email, it also implies that these requests are particularly urgent and important and keep the HoD working overnight. This in turn creates an expectation that such email has to be acted upon immediately, particularly if some colleague responds to it and triggers a discussion. A few repetitions like this solidify a culture, when colleagues are expected to take work home and are falling behind if they don't.






                share|improve this answer












                I would say it somewhat depends on the nature of the message and overall context.



                I am not troubled if a message from a colleague working in another country comes overnight, there are obvious reasons for it.



                However, when I see a couple of emails sent by the Head of Department to the whole Department in the middle of the night, it's slightly concerning. In addition to the things explicitly requested in the email, it also implies that these requests are particularly urgent and important and keep the HoD working overnight. This in turn creates an expectation that such email has to be acted upon immediately, particularly if some colleague responds to it and triggers a discussion. A few repetitions like this solidify a culture, when colleagues are expected to take work home and are falling behind if they don't.







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                  I've seen colleagues append a message along the lines of "Due to carer responsibilities I work flexible hours and sometimes send emails late at night. This does not mean that you are expected to respond outside standard business hours." IMHO helpful for preventing the sort of issue that you describe.
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                  I've seen colleagues append a message along the lines of "Due to carer responsibilities I work flexible hours and sometimes send emails late at night. This does not mean that you are expected to respond outside standard business hours." IMHO helpful for preventing the sort of issue that you describe.
                  – Geoffrey Brent
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                I've seen colleagues append a message along the lines of "Due to carer responsibilities I work flexible hours and sometimes send emails late at night. This does not mean that you are expected to respond outside standard business hours." IMHO helpful for preventing the sort of issue that you describe.
                – Geoffrey Brent
                2 hours ago




                I've seen colleagues append a message along the lines of "Due to carer responsibilities I work flexible hours and sometimes send emails late at night. This does not mean that you are expected to respond outside standard business hours." IMHO helpful for preventing the sort of issue that you describe.
                – Geoffrey Brent
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                The good thing (maybe the only good thing) about email is that it's by nature asynchronous. A phone call in the middle of the night is intrusive, because there is an explicit expectation that the receiver does something about the call right there and then. An email is not like that - if you send an email, it will happily sit in the inbox of the recipient until they explicitly take an action to react upon it. Consequently, it does not matter when you send the email.




                I imagine a scenario where a phone that is linked to gmail rings due to my email, and that wakes up the person I intend to email.




                This is, in my opinion, not a valid concern. First of all, the kind of person who is annoyed by getting disturbed by email outside of work hours has a very easy fix to the problem - turn off notifications. In my opinion, if you explicitly have notifications enabled you can't at the same time be annoyed that you get notified.



                Second, you'll need to understand an almost universal basic truth - starting from a certain seniority, most people in academia get a lot of email. Hundreds per day, in some cases. Many of these emails will come in during the night. If you wake up every time you get an email from one of your collaborators on a different continent, you won't get much sleep at all. So your email is highly unlikely to wake anybody up, because it will drown in the flood of other emails people get over the night.



                That said, as discussed in a somewhat related recent question, if you are a supervisor or manager, it may pay to be somewhat careful about what "message" you transport with when you send emails. In this question, a student was stressed because their supervisor kept sending them mails in the night, and the student interpreted these as work items that needed to be done until the next morning. Also, if you as a supervisor are clearly working until midnight, it may implicitly communicate certain expectations and standards that you don't really want in your team.






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                  The good thing (maybe the only good thing) about email is that it's by nature asynchronous. A phone call in the middle of the night is intrusive, because there is an explicit expectation that the receiver does something about the call right there and then. An email is not like that - if you send an email, it will happily sit in the inbox of the recipient until they explicitly take an action to react upon it. Consequently, it does not matter when you send the email.




                  I imagine a scenario where a phone that is linked to gmail rings due to my email, and that wakes up the person I intend to email.




                  This is, in my opinion, not a valid concern. First of all, the kind of person who is annoyed by getting disturbed by email outside of work hours has a very easy fix to the problem - turn off notifications. In my opinion, if you explicitly have notifications enabled you can't at the same time be annoyed that you get notified.



                  Second, you'll need to understand an almost universal basic truth - starting from a certain seniority, most people in academia get a lot of email. Hundreds per day, in some cases. Many of these emails will come in during the night. If you wake up every time you get an email from one of your collaborators on a different continent, you won't get much sleep at all. So your email is highly unlikely to wake anybody up, because it will drown in the flood of other emails people get over the night.



                  That said, as discussed in a somewhat related recent question, if you are a supervisor or manager, it may pay to be somewhat careful about what "message" you transport with when you send emails. In this question, a student was stressed because their supervisor kept sending them mails in the night, and the student interpreted these as work items that needed to be done until the next morning. Also, if you as a supervisor are clearly working until midnight, it may implicitly communicate certain expectations and standards that you don't really want in your team.






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                    The good thing (maybe the only good thing) about email is that it's by nature asynchronous. A phone call in the middle of the night is intrusive, because there is an explicit expectation that the receiver does something about the call right there and then. An email is not like that - if you send an email, it will happily sit in the inbox of the recipient until they explicitly take an action to react upon it. Consequently, it does not matter when you send the email.




                    I imagine a scenario where a phone that is linked to gmail rings due to my email, and that wakes up the person I intend to email.




                    This is, in my opinion, not a valid concern. First of all, the kind of person who is annoyed by getting disturbed by email outside of work hours has a very easy fix to the problem - turn off notifications. In my opinion, if you explicitly have notifications enabled you can't at the same time be annoyed that you get notified.



                    Second, you'll need to understand an almost universal basic truth - starting from a certain seniority, most people in academia get a lot of email. Hundreds per day, in some cases. Many of these emails will come in during the night. If you wake up every time you get an email from one of your collaborators on a different continent, you won't get much sleep at all. So your email is highly unlikely to wake anybody up, because it will drown in the flood of other emails people get over the night.



                    That said, as discussed in a somewhat related recent question, if you are a supervisor or manager, it may pay to be somewhat careful about what "message" you transport with when you send emails. In this question, a student was stressed because their supervisor kept sending them mails in the night, and the student interpreted these as work items that needed to be done until the next morning. Also, if you as a supervisor are clearly working until midnight, it may implicitly communicate certain expectations and standards that you don't really want in your team.






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                    The good thing (maybe the only good thing) about email is that it's by nature asynchronous. A phone call in the middle of the night is intrusive, because there is an explicit expectation that the receiver does something about the call right there and then. An email is not like that - if you send an email, it will happily sit in the inbox of the recipient until they explicitly take an action to react upon it. Consequently, it does not matter when you send the email.




                    I imagine a scenario where a phone that is linked to gmail rings due to my email, and that wakes up the person I intend to email.




                    This is, in my opinion, not a valid concern. First of all, the kind of person who is annoyed by getting disturbed by email outside of work hours has a very easy fix to the problem - turn off notifications. In my opinion, if you explicitly have notifications enabled you can't at the same time be annoyed that you get notified.



                    Second, you'll need to understand an almost universal basic truth - starting from a certain seniority, most people in academia get a lot of email. Hundreds per day, in some cases. Many of these emails will come in during the night. If you wake up every time you get an email from one of your collaborators on a different continent, you won't get much sleep at all. So your email is highly unlikely to wake anybody up, because it will drown in the flood of other emails people get over the night.



                    That said, as discussed in a somewhat related recent question, if you are a supervisor or manager, it may pay to be somewhat careful about what "message" you transport with when you send emails. In this question, a student was stressed because their supervisor kept sending them mails in the night, and the student interpreted these as work items that needed to be done until the next morning. Also, if you as a supervisor are clearly working until midnight, it may implicitly communicate certain expectations and standards that you don't really want in your team.







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                        People have different wake/sleep and work/relax rhythms, and with flexible working hours and home office, it's hard to guess when people do work and when not (especially in academics).



                        Therefore I think the responsibility shifted from the sender to the receiver of the message: Most (all?) smartphones nowadays have a "do not disturb" modus which automatically turns off the sound and vibration at night or during personally defined times. Send me e-mails whenever you want or call me whenever you want, because if I don't want to be disturbed, I take care I won't.





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                          People have different wake/sleep and work/relax rhythms, and with flexible working hours and home office, it's hard to guess when people do work and when not (especially in academics).



                          Therefore I think the responsibility shifted from the sender to the receiver of the message: Most (all?) smartphones nowadays have a "do not disturb" modus which automatically turns off the sound and vibration at night or during personally defined times. Send me e-mails whenever you want or call me whenever you want, because if I don't want to be disturbed, I take care I won't.





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                            People have different wake/sleep and work/relax rhythms, and with flexible working hours and home office, it's hard to guess when people do work and when not (especially in academics).



                            Therefore I think the responsibility shifted from the sender to the receiver of the message: Most (all?) smartphones nowadays have a "do not disturb" modus which automatically turns off the sound and vibration at night or during personally defined times. Send me e-mails whenever you want or call me whenever you want, because if I don't want to be disturbed, I take care I won't.





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                            People have different wake/sleep and work/relax rhythms, and with flexible working hours and home office, it's hard to guess when people do work and when not (especially in academics).



                            Therefore I think the responsibility shifted from the sender to the receiver of the message: Most (all?) smartphones nowadays have a "do not disturb" modus which automatically turns off the sound and vibration at night or during personally defined times. Send me e-mails whenever you want or call me whenever you want, because if I don't want to be disturbed, I take care I won't.






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