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A wizard is fighting with his bladesong active and decides to cast polymorph upon himself.
Will bladesong still be active in the new form (let’s take a giant ape for example)?
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A wizard is fighting with his bladesong active and decides to cast polymorph upon himself.
Will bladesong still be active in the new form (let’s take a giant ape for example)?
dnd-5e spells
edited 56 mins ago
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asked 1 hour ago
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It is not a duplicate. The previously related question is about casting spells or using abilities while polymorphed. The question here is if bladesong carries over to the new shape.
– Heleno Paiva
1 hour ago
Bladesong is a class feature, though. The linked question covers all class features and cites some additional ones like rage which is a very similar mechanic.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
If it carried over, you would be effectively using it.
– enkryptor
1 hour ago
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@HelenoPaiva I think I agree that it's not a duplicate question since this this about class feature effect carryover more so than using a class ability after transforming. The answer may be the same but it isn't obvious that the questions are identical
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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...but the logic they use to derive the "no" answer in that question does not apply here. Related, but not a dupe.
– Ben Barden
48 mins ago
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A wizard is fighting with his bladesong active and decides to cast polymorph upon himself.
Will bladesong still be active in the new form (let’s take a giant ape for example)?
dnd-5e spells
edited 56 mins ago
Rubiksmoose
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asked 1 hour ago
Heleno Paiva
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A wizard is fighting with his bladesong active and decides to cast polymorph upon himself.
Will bladesong still be active in the new form (let’s take a giant ape for example)?
dnd-5e spells
dnd-5e spells
edited 56 mins ago
Rubiksmoose
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asked 1 hour ago
Heleno Paiva
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edited 56 mins ago
Rubiksmoose
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asked 1 hour ago
Heleno Paiva
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edited 56 mins ago
Rubiksmoose
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Rubiksmoose
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Rubiksmoose
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It is not a duplicate. The previously related question is about casting spells or using abilities while polymorphed. The question here is if bladesong carries over to the new shape.
– Heleno Paiva
1 hour ago
Bladesong is a class feature, though. The linked question covers all class features and cites some additional ones like rage which is a very similar mechanic.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
If it carried over, you would be effectively using it.
– enkryptor
1 hour ago
3
@HelenoPaiva I think I agree that it's not a duplicate question since this this about class feature effect carryover more so than using a class ability after transforming. The answer may be the same but it isn't obvious that the questions are identical
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
2
...but the logic they use to derive the "no" answer in that question does not apply here. Related, but not a dupe.
– Ben Barden
48 mins ago
 |Â
show 5 more comments
It is not a duplicate. The previously related question is about casting spells or using abilities while polymorphed. The question here is if bladesong carries over to the new shape.
– Heleno Paiva
1 hour ago
Bladesong is a class feature, though. The linked question covers all class features and cites some additional ones like rage which is a very similar mechanic.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
If it carried over, you would be effectively using it.
– enkryptor
1 hour ago
3
@HelenoPaiva I think I agree that it's not a duplicate question since this this about class feature effect carryover more so than using a class ability after transforming. The answer may be the same but it isn't obvious that the questions are identical
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
2
...but the logic they use to derive the "no" answer in that question does not apply here. Related, but not a dupe.
– Ben Barden
48 mins ago
It is not a duplicate. The previously related question is about casting spells or using abilities while polymorphed. The question here is if bladesong carries over to the new shape.
– Heleno Paiva
1 hour ago
It is not a duplicate. The previously related question is about casting spells or using abilities while polymorphed. The question here is if bladesong carries over to the new shape.
– Heleno Paiva
1 hour ago
Bladesong is a class feature, though. The linked question covers all class features and cites some additional ones like rage which is a very similar mechanic.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Bladesong is a class feature, though. The linked question covers all class features and cites some additional ones like rage which is a very similar mechanic.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
If it carried over, you would be effectively using it.
– enkryptor
1 hour ago
If it carried over, you would be effectively using it.
– enkryptor
1 hour ago
3
3
@HelenoPaiva I think I agree that it's not a duplicate question since this this about class feature effect carryover more so than using a class ability after transforming. The answer may be the same but it isn't obvious that the questions are identical
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
@HelenoPaiva I think I agree that it's not a duplicate question since this this about class feature effect carryover more so than using a class ability after transforming. The answer may be the same but it isn't obvious that the questions are identical
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
2
2
...but the logic they use to derive the "no" answer in that question does not apply here. Related, but not a dupe.
– Ben Barden
48 mins ago
...but the logic they use to derive the "no" answer in that question does not apply here. Related, but not a dupe.
– Ben Barden
48 mins ago
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Yes, class features like Bladesong are cancelled under polymorph
Polymorph is very specific in what it's doing:
The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the chosen beast. It retains it's alignment and personality.
Since your stat block has been completely replaced by the new creature (except for alignment and personality), you no longer have access to your class features, including Bladesong. Anything that you were using is no longer happening because you simply don't have access to it.
A case where it would carry over
Do note that Wildshape does allow for you to carry over and is the specific beats general case:
You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so.
A similar case considered by Jeremy Crawford
A similar question regarding Rage and Polymorph was answered by Jeremy Crawford who supports this as well:
Polymorph replaces your game statistics, including class features, with those of the beast. If you're a barbarian, you lose Rage.
Both of these are class features, both involve the creature being polymorphed. Both cases should be the same in terms of final effect, which is loss of class feature.
answered 20 mins ago
NautArch
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If a barbarian looses rage, then it seems reasonable that wizard looses bladesong.
– Heleno Paiva
17 mins ago
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No reason why it would.
Bladesong is an effect with a duration, and special termination rules. It is canceled when the user wields a weapon in two hands or puts on medium or heavy armor. Polymorph is an effect with certain disadvantages, including starkly limiting (and altering) the available actions of the target. Polymorph does not cause you to wear heavy armor or wield a weapon in two hands, however, and bladesong by RAW does not require further action (and also does not require you to use a weapon at all). There's nothing causing the effect to end, so by default it continues (as silly as that is).
Given the fluff, however, it would be entirely reasonable for a DM to conclude that it ought to terminate (how do you use bladesong with no blade?) and houserule it. If I were DMing a game and the issue came up, I'm not sure which way I would rule.
answered 28 mins ago
Ben Barden
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I would be careful declaring things to be fluff in 5e, there is no delineation between the two.
– Rubiksmoose
23 mins ago
I like your review of the RAW on what cancels bladesong when you're a bladesinger, but how do you integrate the fact that you're no longer a bladesinger after polymorph? Or are you saying that it just doesn't matter?
– NautArch
11 mins ago
Bladesong is an effect, just like a buff (or debuff) from a spell. You wouldn't be able to start Bladesong while polymorphed, but once it is active it is on you until something makes it fall off.
– GreySage
1 min ago
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Yes, class features like Bladesong are cancelled under polymorph
Polymorph is very specific in what it's doing:
The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the chosen beast. It retains it's alignment and personality.
Since your stat block has been completely replaced by the new creature (except for alignment and personality), you no longer have access to your class features, including Bladesong. Anything that you were using is no longer happening because you simply don't have access to it.
A case where it would carry over
Do note that Wildshape does allow for you to carry over and is the specific beats general case:
You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so.
A similar case considered by Jeremy Crawford
A similar question regarding Rage and Polymorph was answered by Jeremy Crawford who supports this as well:
Polymorph replaces your game statistics, including class features, with those of the beast. If you're a barbarian, you lose Rage.
Both of these are class features, both involve the creature being polymorphed. Both cases should be the same in terms of final effect, which is loss of class feature.
answered 20 mins ago
NautArch
46.2k6166315
If a barbarian looses rage, then it seems reasonable that wizard looses bladesong.
– Heleno Paiva
17 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
down vote
Yes, class features like Bladesong are cancelled under polymorph
Polymorph is very specific in what it's doing:
The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the chosen beast. It retains it's alignment and personality.
Since your stat block has been completely replaced by the new creature (except for alignment and personality), you no longer have access to your class features, including Bladesong. Anything that you were using is no longer happening because you simply don't have access to it.
A case where it would carry over
Do note that Wildshape does allow for you to carry over and is the specific beats general case:
You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so.
A similar case considered by Jeremy Crawford
A similar question regarding Rage and Polymorph was answered by Jeremy Crawford who supports this as well:
Polymorph replaces your game statistics, including class features, with those of the beast. If you're a barbarian, you lose Rage.
Both of these are class features, both involve the creature being polymorphed. Both cases should be the same in terms of final effect, which is loss of class feature.
answered 20 mins ago
NautArch
46.2k6166315
If a barbarian looses rage, then it seems reasonable that wizard looses bladesong.
– Heleno Paiva
17 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
down vote
up vote
5
down vote
Yes, class features like Bladesong are cancelled under polymorph
Polymorph is very specific in what it's doing:
The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the chosen beast. It retains it's alignment and personality.
Since your stat block has been completely replaced by the new creature (except for alignment and personality), you no longer have access to your class features, including Bladesong. Anything that you were using is no longer happening because you simply don't have access to it.
A case where it would carry over
Do note that Wildshape does allow for you to carry over and is the specific beats general case:
You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so.
A similar case considered by Jeremy Crawford
A similar question regarding Rage and Polymorph was answered by Jeremy Crawford who supports this as well:
Polymorph replaces your game statistics, including class features, with those of the beast. If you're a barbarian, you lose Rage.
Both of these are class features, both involve the creature being polymorphed. Both cases should be the same in terms of final effect, which is loss of class feature.
answered 20 mins ago
NautArch
46.2k6166315
Yes, class features like Bladesong are cancelled under polymorph
Polymorph is very specific in what it's doing:
The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the chosen beast. It retains it's alignment and personality.
Since your stat block has been completely replaced by the new creature (except for alignment and personality), you no longer have access to your class features, including Bladesong. Anything that you were using is no longer happening because you simply don't have access to it.
A case where it would carry over
Do note that Wildshape does allow for you to carry over and is the specific beats general case:
You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so.
A similar case considered by Jeremy Crawford
A similar question regarding Rage and Polymorph was answered by Jeremy Crawford who supports this as well:
Polymorph replaces your game statistics, including class features, with those of the beast. If you're a barbarian, you lose Rage.
Both of these are class features, both involve the creature being polymorphed. Both cases should be the same in terms of final effect, which is loss of class feature.
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NautArch
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answered 20 mins ago
NautArch
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answered 20 mins ago
NautArch
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answered 20 mins ago
NautArch
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If a barbarian looses rage, then it seems reasonable that wizard looses bladesong.
– Heleno Paiva
17 mins ago
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If a barbarian looses rage, then it seems reasonable that wizard looses bladesong.
– Heleno Paiva
17 mins ago
If a barbarian looses rage, then it seems reasonable that wizard looses bladesong.
– Heleno Paiva
17 mins ago
If a barbarian looses rage, then it seems reasonable that wizard looses bladesong.
– Heleno Paiva
17 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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2
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No reason why it would.
Bladesong is an effect with a duration, and special termination rules. It is canceled when the user wields a weapon in two hands or puts on medium or heavy armor. Polymorph is an effect with certain disadvantages, including starkly limiting (and altering) the available actions of the target. Polymorph does not cause you to wear heavy armor or wield a weapon in two hands, however, and bladesong by RAW does not require further action (and also does not require you to use a weapon at all). There's nothing causing the effect to end, so by default it continues (as silly as that is).
Given the fluff, however, it would be entirely reasonable for a DM to conclude that it ought to terminate (how do you use bladesong with no blade?) and houserule it. If I were DMing a game and the issue came up, I'm not sure which way I would rule.
answered 28 mins ago
Ben Barden
7,2941948
3
I would be careful declaring things to be fluff in 5e, there is no delineation between the two.
– Rubiksmoose
23 mins ago
I like your review of the RAW on what cancels bladesong when you're a bladesinger, but how do you integrate the fact that you're no longer a bladesinger after polymorph? Or are you saying that it just doesn't matter?
– NautArch
11 mins ago
Bladesong is an effect, just like a buff (or debuff) from a spell. You wouldn't be able to start Bladesong while polymorphed, but once it is active it is on you until something makes it fall off.
– GreySage
1 min ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
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No reason why it would.
Bladesong is an effect with a duration, and special termination rules. It is canceled when the user wields a weapon in two hands or puts on medium or heavy armor. Polymorph is an effect with certain disadvantages, including starkly limiting (and altering) the available actions of the target. Polymorph does not cause you to wear heavy armor or wield a weapon in two hands, however, and bladesong by RAW does not require further action (and also does not require you to use a weapon at all). There's nothing causing the effect to end, so by default it continues (as silly as that is).
Given the fluff, however, it would be entirely reasonable for a DM to conclude that it ought to terminate (how do you use bladesong with no blade?) and houserule it. If I were DMing a game and the issue came up, I'm not sure which way I would rule.
answered 28 mins ago
Ben Barden
7,2941948
3
I would be careful declaring things to be fluff in 5e, there is no delineation between the two.
– Rubiksmoose
23 mins ago
I like your review of the RAW on what cancels bladesong when you're a bladesinger, but how do you integrate the fact that you're no longer a bladesinger after polymorph? Or are you saying that it just doesn't matter?
– NautArch
11 mins ago
Bladesong is an effect, just like a buff (or debuff) from a spell. You wouldn't be able to start Bladesong while polymorphed, but once it is active it is on you until something makes it fall off.
– GreySage
1 min ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
No reason why it would.
Bladesong is an effect with a duration, and special termination rules. It is canceled when the user wields a weapon in two hands or puts on medium or heavy armor. Polymorph is an effect with certain disadvantages, including starkly limiting (and altering) the available actions of the target. Polymorph does not cause you to wear heavy armor or wield a weapon in two hands, however, and bladesong by RAW does not require further action (and also does not require you to use a weapon at all). There's nothing causing the effect to end, so by default it continues (as silly as that is).
Given the fluff, however, it would be entirely reasonable for a DM to conclude that it ought to terminate (how do you use bladesong with no blade?) and houserule it. If I were DMing a game and the issue came up, I'm not sure which way I would rule.
answered 28 mins ago
Ben Barden
7,2941948
No reason why it would.
Bladesong is an effect with a duration, and special termination rules. It is canceled when the user wields a weapon in two hands or puts on medium or heavy armor. Polymorph is an effect with certain disadvantages, including starkly limiting (and altering) the available actions of the target. Polymorph does not cause you to wear heavy armor or wield a weapon in two hands, however, and bladesong by RAW does not require further action (and also does not require you to use a weapon at all). There's nothing causing the effect to end, so by default it continues (as silly as that is).
Given the fluff, however, it would be entirely reasonable for a DM to conclude that it ought to terminate (how do you use bladesong with no blade?) and houserule it. If I were DMing a game and the issue came up, I'm not sure which way I would rule.
answered 28 mins ago
Ben Barden
7,2941948
answered 28 mins ago
Ben Barden
7,2941948
answered 28 mins ago
Ben Barden
7,2941948
answered 28 mins ago
Ben Barden
7,2941948
7,2941948
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I would be careful declaring things to be fluff in 5e, there is no delineation between the two.
– Rubiksmoose
23 mins ago
I like your review of the RAW on what cancels bladesong when you're a bladesinger, but how do you integrate the fact that you're no longer a bladesinger after polymorph? Or are you saying that it just doesn't matter?
– NautArch
11 mins ago
Bladesong is an effect, just like a buff (or debuff) from a spell. You wouldn't be able to start Bladesong while polymorphed, but once it is active it is on you until something makes it fall off.
– GreySage
1 min ago
add a comment |Â
3
I would be careful declaring things to be fluff in 5e, there is no delineation between the two.
– Rubiksmoose
23 mins ago
I like your review of the RAW on what cancels bladesong when you're a bladesinger, but how do you integrate the fact that you're no longer a bladesinger after polymorph? Or are you saying that it just doesn't matter?
– NautArch
11 mins ago
Bladesong is an effect, just like a buff (or debuff) from a spell. You wouldn't be able to start Bladesong while polymorphed, but once it is active it is on you until something makes it fall off.
– GreySage
1 min ago
3
3
I would be careful declaring things to be fluff in 5e, there is no delineation between the two.
– Rubiksmoose
23 mins ago
I would be careful declaring things to be fluff in 5e, there is no delineation between the two.
– Rubiksmoose
23 mins ago
I like your review of the RAW on what cancels bladesong when you're a bladesinger, but how do you integrate the fact that you're no longer a bladesinger after polymorph? Or are you saying that it just doesn't matter?
– NautArch
11 mins ago
I like your review of the RAW on what cancels bladesong when you're a bladesinger, but how do you integrate the fact that you're no longer a bladesinger after polymorph? Or are you saying that it just doesn't matter?
– NautArch
11 mins ago
Bladesong is an effect, just like a buff (or debuff) from a spell. You wouldn't be able to start Bladesong while polymorphed, but once it is active it is on you until something makes it fall off.
– GreySage
1 min ago
Bladesong is an effect, just like a buff (or debuff) from a spell. You wouldn't be able to start Bladesong while polymorphed, but once it is active it is on you until something makes it fall off.
– GreySage
1 min ago
add a comment |Â
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It is not a duplicate. The previously related question is about casting spells or using abilities while polymorphed. The question here is if bladesong carries over to the new shape.
– Heleno Paiva
1 hour ago
Bladesong is a class feature, though. The linked question covers all class features and cites some additional ones like rage which is a very similar mechanic.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
If it carried over, you would be effectively using it.
– enkryptor
1 hour ago
3
@HelenoPaiva I think I agree that it's not a duplicate question since this this about class feature effect carryover more so than using a class ability after transforming. The answer may be the same but it isn't obvious that the questions are identical
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
2
...but the logic they use to derive the "no" answer in that question does not apply here. Related, but not a dupe.
– Ben Barden
48 mins ago