Can a man wait by a womans Mikvah

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Someone just told me that he was taught that a man should not wait by a women's mikvah at night



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    רב גידל הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר להו הכי טבילו והכי טבילו אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מיצר הרע אמר להו דמיין באפאי כי קאקי חיורי ר' יוחנן הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר כי סלקן בנות ישראל ואתיין מטבילה מסתכלן בי ונהוי להו זרעא דשפירי כוותי אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מעינא בישא אמר להו אנא מזרעא דיוסף קא אתינא דלא שלטא ביה עינא בישא
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  • It falls under "לא תתורו אחרי לבבכם ואחרי עינכם", meaning that that's the most enticing thing to see women leaving the Mikveh with the intention to have relations!
    – Al Berko
    11 mins ago










  • Your title says walk by but the question says can one wait. Please resolve by changing either.
    – Al Berko
    10 mins ago














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    רב גידל הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר להו הכי טבילו והכי טבילו אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מיצר הרע אמר להו דמיין באפאי כי קאקי חיורי ר' יוחנן הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר כי סלקן בנות ישראל ואתיין מטבילה מסתכלן בי ונהוי להו זרעא דשפירי כוותי אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מעינא בישא אמר להו אנא מזרעא דיוסף קא אתינא דלא שלטא ביה עינא בישא
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  • It falls under "לא תתורו אחרי לבבכם ואחרי עינכם", meaning that that's the most enticing thing to see women leaving the Mikveh with the intention to have relations!
    – Al Berko
    11 mins ago










  • Your title says walk by but the question says can one wait. Please resolve by changing either.
    – Al Berko
    10 mins ago












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    רב גידל הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר להו הכי טבילו והכי טבילו אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מיצר הרע אמר להו דמיין באפאי כי קאקי חיורי ר' יוחנן הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר כי סלקן בנות ישראל ואתיין מטבילה מסתכלן בי ונהוי להו זרעא דשפירי כוותי אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מעינא בישא אמר להו אנא מזרעא דיוסף קא אתינא דלא שלטא ביה עינא בישא
    – Alex
    1 hour ago










  • It falls under "לא תתורו אחרי לבבכם ואחרי עינכם", meaning that that's the most enticing thing to see women leaving the Mikveh with the intention to have relations!
    – Al Berko
    11 mins ago










  • Your title says walk by but the question says can one wait. Please resolve by changing either.
    – Al Berko
    10 mins ago












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    רב גידל הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר להו הכי טבילו והכי טבילו אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מיצר הרע אמר להו דמיין באפאי כי קאקי חיורי ר' יוחנן הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר כי סלקן בנות ישראל ואתיין מטבילה מסתכלן בי ונהוי להו זרעא דשפירי כוותי אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מעינא בישא אמר להו אנא מזרעא דיוסף קא אתינא דלא שלטא ביה עינא בישא
    – Alex
    1 hour ago










  • It falls under "לא תתורו אחרי לבבכם ואחרי עינכם", meaning that that's the most enticing thing to see women leaving the Mikveh with the intention to have relations!
    – Al Berko
    11 mins ago










  • Your title says walk by but the question says can one wait. Please resolve by changing either.
    – Al Berko
    10 mins ago







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רב גידל הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר להו הכי טבילו והכי טבילו אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מיצר הרע אמר להו דמיין באפאי כי קאקי חיורי ר' יוחנן הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר כי סלקן בנות ישראל ואתיין מטבילה מסתכלן בי ונהוי להו זרעא דשפירי כוותי אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מעינא בישא אמר להו אנא מזרעא דיוסף קא אתינא דלא שלטא ביה עינא בישא
– Alex
1 hour ago




רב גידל הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר להו הכי טבילו והכי טבילו אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מיצר הרע אמר להו דמיין באפאי כי קאקי חיורי ר' יוחנן הוה רגיל דהוה קא אזיל ויתיב אשערי דטבילה אמר כי סלקן בנות ישראל ואתיין מטבילה מסתכלן בי ונהוי להו זרעא דשפירי כוותי אמרי ליה רבנן לא קא מסתפי מר מעינא בישא אמר להו אנא מזרעא דיוסף קא אתינא דלא שלטא ביה עינא בישא
– Alex
1 hour ago












It falls under "לא תתורו אחרי לבבכם ואחרי עינכם", meaning that that's the most enticing thing to see women leaving the Mikveh with the intention to have relations!
– Al Berko
11 mins ago




It falls under "לא תתורו אחרי לבבכם ואחרי עינכם", meaning that that's the most enticing thing to see women leaving the Mikveh with the intention to have relations!
– Al Berko
11 mins ago












Your title says walk by but the question says can one wait. Please resolve by changing either.
– Al Berko
10 mins ago




Your title says walk by but the question says can one wait. Please resolve by changing either.
– Al Berko
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DanF's answer is essentially true; a woman's Mikvah night is supposed to be as private as possible, and men walking by makes it less-private (as well as uncomfortable for the women involved). I'm just going to add a source that says explicitly that going to the Mikvah is supposed to be done in a discreet manner, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 162:10:




יש לאשה להיות צנועה בטבילתה להסתיר ליל טבילתה, ולא תלך בפני הבריות שלא
ירגישו בה בני אדם, ומי שאינה עושה כן נאמר עליה ארור שוכב עם בהמה



A woman should be modest about her immersion, and conceal the date of
her immersion. She should not go to the (mikvah) when people are
about. [She should arrange it] so that people will not notice her.
Concerning a woman who does not act modestly, it is said, "Cursed be
he who lies with any kind of animal."




While one can argue that this is an obligation on the woman and not the man, it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs and make things difficult and uncomfortable for women.






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  • +1 Should it also forbid woman from going near (congregating neat) the mikvah (when they are not using it)?
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  • מִי שֶׁפָּגַע בְּאִשָּׁה יוֹצֵאת מִן הַטְּבִילָה, אִיכָּא לְמֵיחָשׁ, חָס וְשָלוֹם, לְתַקָּלָה. Ibid
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  • @hazoriz In theory, yeah, women shouldn't know about other womens' Mikvah outings. Sometimes it's impossible to prevent interacting with other women, but it should also be avoided as much as possible. Howwever, I would say that the piece you are quoting is referring to men.
    – Salmononius2
    5 hours ago











  • My first comment was on your conclusion "it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs" after that i found the source
    – hazoriz
    5 hours ago










  • Some Mikvaot have different entrances and exits to keep women bumping into each other to a minimum @hazoriz
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It is definitely true! However, there is no direct source (i.e., one that specifically says, "A man should not walk by a women's Mikvah.") This is just a derivation of modesty and privacy. A woman attending the mikvah is meant to be absolutely private. If a man walks by a mikvah, he may recognize some woman going or leaving the place, and now, he knows private information about her menstrual / niddah schedule.



I can personally vouch for this rule from what I recall when my wife went to the mikvah. Besides, a huge sign in front of the door requesting that men not pass the mikvah at night (I noticed this sign during the day, BTW,) they also requested that men drop off and pick up their wives around the corner from the mikvah. They didn't want you waiting in your car by the mikvah.






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    DanF's answer is essentially true; a woman's Mikvah night is supposed to be as private as possible, and men walking by makes it less-private (as well as uncomfortable for the women involved). I'm just going to add a source that says explicitly that going to the Mikvah is supposed to be done in a discreet manner, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 162:10:




    יש לאשה להיות צנועה בטבילתה להסתיר ליל טבילתה, ולא תלך בפני הבריות שלא
    ירגישו בה בני אדם, ומי שאינה עושה כן נאמר עליה ארור שוכב עם בהמה



    A woman should be modest about her immersion, and conceal the date of
    her immersion. She should not go to the (mikvah) when people are
    about. [She should arrange it] so that people will not notice her.
    Concerning a woman who does not act modestly, it is said, "Cursed be
    he who lies with any kind of animal."




    While one can argue that this is an obligation on the woman and not the man, it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs and make things difficult and uncomfortable for women.






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    • +1 Should it also forbid woman from going near (congregating neat) the mikvah (when they are not using it)?
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago











    • מִי שֶׁפָּגַע בְּאִשָּׁה יוֹצֵאת מִן הַטְּבִילָה, אִיכָּא לְמֵיחָשׁ, חָס וְשָלוֹם, לְתַקָּלָה. Ibid
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago










    • @hazoriz In theory, yeah, women shouldn't know about other womens' Mikvah outings. Sometimes it's impossible to prevent interacting with other women, but it should also be avoided as much as possible. Howwever, I would say that the piece you are quoting is referring to men.
      – Salmononius2
      5 hours ago











    • My first comment was on your conclusion "it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs" after that i found the source
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago










    • Some Mikvaot have different entrances and exits to keep women bumping into each other to a minimum @hazoriz
      – Double AA♦
      5 hours ago















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    DanF's answer is essentially true; a woman's Mikvah night is supposed to be as private as possible, and men walking by makes it less-private (as well as uncomfortable for the women involved). I'm just going to add a source that says explicitly that going to the Mikvah is supposed to be done in a discreet manner, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 162:10:




    יש לאשה להיות צנועה בטבילתה להסתיר ליל טבילתה, ולא תלך בפני הבריות שלא
    ירגישו בה בני אדם, ומי שאינה עושה כן נאמר עליה ארור שוכב עם בהמה



    A woman should be modest about her immersion, and conceal the date of
    her immersion. She should not go to the (mikvah) when people are
    about. [She should arrange it] so that people will not notice her.
    Concerning a woman who does not act modestly, it is said, "Cursed be
    he who lies with any kind of animal."




    While one can argue that this is an obligation on the woman and not the man, it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs and make things difficult and uncomfortable for women.






    share|improve this answer




















    • +1 Should it also forbid woman from going near (congregating neat) the mikvah (when they are not using it)?
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago











    • מִי שֶׁפָּגַע בְּאִשָּׁה יוֹצֵאת מִן הַטְּבִילָה, אִיכָּא לְמֵיחָשׁ, חָס וְשָלוֹם, לְתַקָּלָה. Ibid
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago










    • @hazoriz In theory, yeah, women shouldn't know about other womens' Mikvah outings. Sometimes it's impossible to prevent interacting with other women, but it should also be avoided as much as possible. Howwever, I would say that the piece you are quoting is referring to men.
      – Salmononius2
      5 hours ago











    • My first comment was on your conclusion "it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs" after that i found the source
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago










    • Some Mikvaot have different entrances and exits to keep women bumping into each other to a minimum @hazoriz
      – Double AA♦
      5 hours ago













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    DanF's answer is essentially true; a woman's Mikvah night is supposed to be as private as possible, and men walking by makes it less-private (as well as uncomfortable for the women involved). I'm just going to add a source that says explicitly that going to the Mikvah is supposed to be done in a discreet manner, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 162:10:




    יש לאשה להיות צנועה בטבילתה להסתיר ליל טבילתה, ולא תלך בפני הבריות שלא
    ירגישו בה בני אדם, ומי שאינה עושה כן נאמר עליה ארור שוכב עם בהמה



    A woman should be modest about her immersion, and conceal the date of
    her immersion. She should not go to the (mikvah) when people are
    about. [She should arrange it] so that people will not notice her.
    Concerning a woman who does not act modestly, it is said, "Cursed be
    he who lies with any kind of animal."




    While one can argue that this is an obligation on the woman and not the man, it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs and make things difficult and uncomfortable for women.






    share|improve this answer












    DanF's answer is essentially true; a woman's Mikvah night is supposed to be as private as possible, and men walking by makes it less-private (as well as uncomfortable for the women involved). I'm just going to add a source that says explicitly that going to the Mikvah is supposed to be done in a discreet manner, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 162:10:




    יש לאשה להיות צנועה בטבילתה להסתיר ליל טבילתה, ולא תלך בפני הבריות שלא
    ירגישו בה בני אדם, ומי שאינה עושה כן נאמר עליה ארור שוכב עם בהמה



    A woman should be modest about her immersion, and conceal the date of
    her immersion. She should not go to the (mikvah) when people are
    about. [She should arrange it] so that people will not notice her.
    Concerning a woman who does not act modestly, it is said, "Cursed be
    he who lies with any kind of animal."




    While one can argue that this is an obligation on the woman and not the man, it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs and make things difficult and uncomfortable for women.







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    • +1 Should it also forbid woman from going near (congregating neat) the mikvah (when they are not using it)?
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago











    • מִי שֶׁפָּגַע בְּאִשָּׁה יוֹצֵאת מִן הַטְּבִילָה, אִיכָּא לְמֵיחָשׁ, חָס וְשָלוֹם, לְתַקָּלָה. Ibid
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago










    • @hazoriz In theory, yeah, women shouldn't know about other womens' Mikvah outings. Sometimes it's impossible to prevent interacting with other women, but it should also be avoided as much as possible. Howwever, I would say that the piece you are quoting is referring to men.
      – Salmononius2
      5 hours ago











    • My first comment was on your conclusion "it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs" after that i found the source
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago










    • Some Mikvaot have different entrances and exits to keep women bumping into each other to a minimum @hazoriz
      – Double AA♦
      5 hours ago

















    • +1 Should it also forbid woman from going near (congregating neat) the mikvah (when they are not using it)?
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago











    • מִי שֶׁפָּגַע בְּאִשָּׁה יוֹצֵאת מִן הַטְּבִילָה, אִיכָּא לְמֵיחָשׁ, חָס וְשָלוֹם, לְתַקָּלָה. Ibid
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago










    • @hazoriz In theory, yeah, women shouldn't know about other womens' Mikvah outings. Sometimes it's impossible to prevent interacting with other women, but it should also be avoided as much as possible. Howwever, I would say that the piece you are quoting is referring to men.
      – Salmononius2
      5 hours ago











    • My first comment was on your conclusion "it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs" after that i found the source
      – hazoriz
      5 hours ago










    • Some Mikvaot have different entrances and exits to keep women bumping into each other to a minimum @hazoriz
      – Double AA♦
      5 hours ago
















    +1 Should it also forbid woman from going near (congregating neat) the mikvah (when they are not using it)?
    – hazoriz
    5 hours ago





    +1 Should it also forbid woman from going near (congregating neat) the mikvah (when they are not using it)?
    – hazoriz
    5 hours ago













    מִי שֶׁפָּגַע בְּאִשָּׁה יוֹצֵאת מִן הַטְּבִילָה, אִיכָּא לְמֵיחָשׁ, חָס וְשָלוֹם, לְתַקָּלָה. Ibid
    – hazoriz
    5 hours ago




    מִי שֶׁפָּגַע בְּאִשָּׁה יוֹצֵאת מִן הַטְּבִילָה, אִיכָּא לְמֵיחָשׁ, חָס וְשָלוֹם, לְתַקָּלָה. Ibid
    – hazoriz
    5 hours ago












    @hazoriz In theory, yeah, women shouldn't know about other womens' Mikvah outings. Sometimes it's impossible to prevent interacting with other women, but it should also be avoided as much as possible. Howwever, I would say that the piece you are quoting is referring to men.
    – Salmononius2
    5 hours ago





    @hazoriz In theory, yeah, women shouldn't know about other womens' Mikvah outings. Sometimes it's impossible to prevent interacting with other women, but it should also be avoided as much as possible. Howwever, I would say that the piece you are quoting is referring to men.
    – Salmononius2
    5 hours ago













    My first comment was on your conclusion "it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs" after that i found the source
    – hazoriz
    5 hours ago




    My first comment was on your conclusion "it definitely shows that it's appropriate for men to not congregate around Mikvahs" after that i found the source
    – hazoriz
    5 hours ago












    Some Mikvaot have different entrances and exits to keep women bumping into each other to a minimum @hazoriz
    – Double AA♦
    5 hours ago





    Some Mikvaot have different entrances and exits to keep women bumping into each other to a minimum @hazoriz
    – Double AA♦
    5 hours ago











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    It is definitely true! However, there is no direct source (i.e., one that specifically says, "A man should not walk by a women's Mikvah.") This is just a derivation of modesty and privacy. A woman attending the mikvah is meant to be absolutely private. If a man walks by a mikvah, he may recognize some woman going or leaving the place, and now, he knows private information about her menstrual / niddah schedule.



    I can personally vouch for this rule from what I recall when my wife went to the mikvah. Besides, a huge sign in front of the door requesting that men not pass the mikvah at night (I noticed this sign during the day, BTW,) they also requested that men drop off and pick up their wives around the corner from the mikvah. They didn't want you waiting in your car by the mikvah.






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      It is definitely true! However, there is no direct source (i.e., one that specifically says, "A man should not walk by a women's Mikvah.") This is just a derivation of modesty and privacy. A woman attending the mikvah is meant to be absolutely private. If a man walks by a mikvah, he may recognize some woman going or leaving the place, and now, he knows private information about her menstrual / niddah schedule.



      I can personally vouch for this rule from what I recall when my wife went to the mikvah. Besides, a huge sign in front of the door requesting that men not pass the mikvah at night (I noticed this sign during the day, BTW,) they also requested that men drop off and pick up their wives around the corner from the mikvah. They didn't want you waiting in your car by the mikvah.






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        It is definitely true! However, there is no direct source (i.e., one that specifically says, "A man should not walk by a women's Mikvah.") This is just a derivation of modesty and privacy. A woman attending the mikvah is meant to be absolutely private. If a man walks by a mikvah, he may recognize some woman going or leaving the place, and now, he knows private information about her menstrual / niddah schedule.



        I can personally vouch for this rule from what I recall when my wife went to the mikvah. Besides, a huge sign in front of the door requesting that men not pass the mikvah at night (I noticed this sign during the day, BTW,) they also requested that men drop off and pick up their wives around the corner from the mikvah. They didn't want you waiting in your car by the mikvah.






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        It is definitely true! However, there is no direct source (i.e., one that specifically says, "A man should not walk by a women's Mikvah.") This is just a derivation of modesty and privacy. A woman attending the mikvah is meant to be absolutely private. If a man walks by a mikvah, he may recognize some woman going or leaving the place, and now, he knows private information about her menstrual / niddah schedule.



        I can personally vouch for this rule from what I recall when my wife went to the mikvah. Besides, a huge sign in front of the door requesting that men not pass the mikvah at night (I noticed this sign during the day, BTW,) they also requested that men drop off and pick up their wives around the corner from the mikvah. They didn't want you waiting in your car by the mikvah.







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