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I would like some insight into using an anonymized information - like a different family name, birthday, location and phone number, and throw-away email address - to make initial contact with a company that outsources some of their HR functions. The companies are usually easily identifiable because either (1) the company's job listings are hosted by a 3rd party; or (2) "Apply Now" goes off-site to a 3rd party.
There are several reasons a person may wish to withhold information from 3rd parties like Monster, Dice, or many of the other "HR as a service" providers. First, some folks are not allowed to engage in a job search during employment (see Should I agree to accept any further addition of rules to the company policy?).
Second, some people are concerned about their privacy and don't want to share information with anyone who holds "the person is the product" and commoditizes their information. I have been part of three data breaches and I don't want more information about me circulating for others to use.
Third, many of the companies that provide candidate services to HR departments have been found to be Consumer Reporting Agencies under the Fair Credit Reporting Act (see Halvorson v. TalentBin, Inc.; Case No. 3:15-cv-05166-JCS). They operate with little to no oversight; and are effectively unaccountable for their mistakes. Trying to monitor and identify every data broker with incorrect information is not reasonable for the typical individual.
The best solution to all these concerns is to avoid sharing the information in the first place. If the information is not shared then it can't be lost, stolen or misused.
I have tried writing to companies using published and well-known email addresses like hr@example.com trying to open a dialogue with and asking for (1) alternate methods to submit information, or (2) declining to share information with partners. My empirical data suggests it is successful about 1 in 11 or 1 in 12 times. Most of th time there is no reply, and most of the remaining times the answer is "no". That's not very good so I am trying to improve the success rate while being mindful of my privacy.
Questions: assuming I use an alias name, a similar birthday and similar location with accurate employment information and experience, then
- how do I explain using aliases without giving the appearance of misconduct or impropriety?
- what reaction(s) should I expect from the company and HR personnel?
- are there better strategies to make contact while protecting candidate privacy?
I realize I will have to provide accurate name, birthday, ssn, location and phone number eventually. Once the dialogue is open we can work together instead of blindly dumping everything into a 3rd party who then claims they own the information.
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I would like some insight into using an anonymized information - like a different family name, birthday, location and phone number, and throw-away email address - to make initial contact with a company that outsources some of their HR functions. The companies are usually easily identifiable because either (1) the company's job listings are hosted by a 3rd party; or (2) "Apply Now" goes off-site to a 3rd party.
There are several reasons a person may wish to withhold information from 3rd parties like Monster, Dice, or many of the other "HR as a service" providers. First, some folks are not allowed to engage in a job search during employment (see Should I agree to accept any further addition of rules to the company policy?).
Second, some people are concerned about their privacy and don't want to share information with anyone who holds "the person is the product" and commoditizes their information. I have been part of three data breaches and I don't want more information about me circulating for others to use.
Third, many of the companies that provide candidate services to HR departments have been found to be Consumer Reporting Agencies under the Fair Credit Reporting Act (see Halvorson v. TalentBin, Inc.; Case No. 3:15-cv-05166-JCS). They operate with little to no oversight; and are effectively unaccountable for their mistakes. Trying to monitor and identify every data broker with incorrect information is not reasonable for the typical individual.
The best solution to all these concerns is to avoid sharing the information in the first place. If the information is not shared then it can't be lost, stolen or misused.
I have tried writing to companies using published and well-known email addresses like hr@example.com trying to open a dialogue with and asking for (1) alternate methods to submit information, or (2) declining to share information with partners. My empirical data suggests it is successful about 1 in 11 or 1 in 12 times. Most of th time there is no reply, and most of the remaining times the answer is "no". That's not very good so I am trying to improve the success rate while being mindful of my privacy.
Questions: assuming I use an alias name, a similar birthday and similar location with accurate employment information and experience, then
- how do I explain using aliases without giving the appearance of misconduct or impropriety?
- what reaction(s) should I expect from the company and HR personnel?
- are there better strategies to make contact while protecting candidate privacy?
I realize I will have to provide accurate name, birthday, ssn, location and phone number eventually. Once the dialogue is open we can work together instead of blindly dumping everything into a 3rd party who then claims they own the information.
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Can you tell us which country this is? In Europe, you would be protected by the [GDPR]*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation) and could require them to disclose all data they hold about you, and ask for its deletion.
– Mawg
3 hours ago
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@Mawg - The United States of Corporate America :) I envy European folks who have a right to privacy and a right to be forgotten.
– jww
3 hours ago
1
Since a few months ago :-/ But the "five eyes" don't leave much privacy for those in the UK
– Mawg
2 hours ago
what... are you hiding? your name? your work history? if you're on linked in this is v. easy to discover.
– bharal
8 mins ago
@bharal - No, I'm not hiding. The intention is to withhold PII information from the third parties while providing it to the company only if the company is interested in my skillset and experience. In risk analysis, the third party is an externality that represents risk from my point of view. They don't benefit me, and they cause me harm with their actions.
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1 min ago
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I would like some insight into using an anonymized information - like a different family name, birthday, location and phone number, and throw-away email address - to make initial contact with a company that outsources some of their HR functions. The companies are usually easily identifiable because either (1) the company's job listings are hosted by a 3rd party; or (2) "Apply Now" goes off-site to a 3rd party.
There are several reasons a person may wish to withhold information from 3rd parties like Monster, Dice, or many of the other "HR as a service" providers. First, some folks are not allowed to engage in a job search during employment (see Should I agree to accept any further addition of rules to the company policy?).
Second, some people are concerned about their privacy and don't want to share information with anyone who holds "the person is the product" and commoditizes their information. I have been part of three data breaches and I don't want more information about me circulating for others to use.
Third, many of the companies that provide candidate services to HR departments have been found to be Consumer Reporting Agencies under the Fair Credit Reporting Act (see Halvorson v. TalentBin, Inc.; Case No. 3:15-cv-05166-JCS). They operate with little to no oversight; and are effectively unaccountable for their mistakes. Trying to monitor and identify every data broker with incorrect information is not reasonable for the typical individual.
The best solution to all these concerns is to avoid sharing the information in the first place. If the information is not shared then it can't be lost, stolen or misused.
I have tried writing to companies using published and well-known email addresses like hr@example.com trying to open a dialogue with and asking for (1) alternate methods to submit information, or (2) declining to share information with partners. My empirical data suggests it is successful about 1 in 11 or 1 in 12 times. Most of th time there is no reply, and most of the remaining times the answer is "no". That's not very good so I am trying to improve the success rate while being mindful of my privacy.
Questions: assuming I use an alias name, a similar birthday and similar location with accurate employment information and experience, then
- how do I explain using aliases without giving the appearance of misconduct or impropriety?
- what reaction(s) should I expect from the company and HR personnel?
- are there better strategies to make contact while protecting candidate privacy?
I realize I will have to provide accurate name, birthday, ssn, location and phone number eventually. Once the dialogue is open we can work together instead of blindly dumping everything into a 3rd party who then claims they own the information.
job-search united-states privacy
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I would like some insight into using an anonymized information - like a different family name, birthday, location and phone number, and throw-away email address - to make initial contact with a company that outsources some of their HR functions. The companies are usually easily identifiable because either (1) the company's job listings are hosted by a 3rd party; or (2) "Apply Now" goes off-site to a 3rd party.
There are several reasons a person may wish to withhold information from 3rd parties like Monster, Dice, or many of the other "HR as a service" providers. First, some folks are not allowed to engage in a job search during employment (see Should I agree to accept any further addition of rules to the company policy?).
Second, some people are concerned about their privacy and don't want to share information with anyone who holds "the person is the product" and commoditizes their information. I have been part of three data breaches and I don't want more information about me circulating for others to use.
Third, many of the companies that provide candidate services to HR departments have been found to be Consumer Reporting Agencies under the Fair Credit Reporting Act (see Halvorson v. TalentBin, Inc.; Case No. 3:15-cv-05166-JCS). They operate with little to no oversight; and are effectively unaccountable for their mistakes. Trying to monitor and identify every data broker with incorrect information is not reasonable for the typical individual.
The best solution to all these concerns is to avoid sharing the information in the first place. If the information is not shared then it can't be lost, stolen or misused.
I have tried writing to companies using published and well-known email addresses like hr@example.com trying to open a dialogue with and asking for (1) alternate methods to submit information, or (2) declining to share information with partners. My empirical data suggests it is successful about 1 in 11 or 1 in 12 times. Most of th time there is no reply, and most of the remaining times the answer is "no". That's not very good so I am trying to improve the success rate while being mindful of my privacy.
Questions: assuming I use an alias name, a similar birthday and similar location with accurate employment information and experience, then
- how do I explain using aliases without giving the appearance of misconduct or impropriety?
- what reaction(s) should I expect from the company and HR personnel?
- are there better strategies to make contact while protecting candidate privacy?
I realize I will have to provide accurate name, birthday, ssn, location and phone number eventually. Once the dialogue is open we can work together instead of blindly dumping everything into a 3rd party who then claims they own the information.
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Can you tell us which country this is? In Europe, you would be protected by the [GDPR]*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation) and could require them to disclose all data they hold about you, and ask for its deletion.
– Mawg
3 hours ago
1
@Mawg - The United States of Corporate America :) I envy European folks who have a right to privacy and a right to be forgotten.
– jww
3 hours ago
1
Since a few months ago :-/ But the "five eyes" don't leave much privacy for those in the UK
– Mawg
2 hours ago
what... are you hiding? your name? your work history? if you're on linked in this is v. easy to discover.
– bharal
8 mins ago
@bharal - No, I'm not hiding. The intention is to withhold PII information from the third parties while providing it to the company only if the company is interested in my skillset and experience. In risk analysis, the third party is an externality that represents risk from my point of view. They don't benefit me, and they cause me harm with their actions.
– jww
1 min ago
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Can you tell us which country this is? In Europe, you would be protected by the [GDPR]*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation) and could require them to disclose all data they hold about you, and ask for its deletion.
– Mawg
3 hours ago
1
@Mawg - The United States of Corporate America :) I envy European folks who have a right to privacy and a right to be forgotten.
– jww
3 hours ago
1
Since a few months ago :-/ But the "five eyes" don't leave much privacy for those in the UK
– Mawg
2 hours ago
what... are you hiding? your name? your work history? if you're on linked in this is v. easy to discover.
– bharal
8 mins ago
@bharal - No, I'm not hiding. The intention is to withhold PII information from the third parties while providing it to the company only if the company is interested in my skillset and experience. In risk analysis, the third party is an externality that represents risk from my point of view. They don't benefit me, and they cause me harm with their actions.
– jww
1 min ago
Can you tell us which country this is? In Europe, you would be protected by the [GDPR]*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation) and could require them to disclose all data they hold about you, and ask for its deletion.
– Mawg
3 hours ago
Can you tell us which country this is? In Europe, you would be protected by the [GDPR]*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation) and could require them to disclose all data they hold about you, and ask for its deletion.
– Mawg
3 hours ago
1
1
@Mawg - The United States of Corporate America :) I envy European folks who have a right to privacy and a right to be forgotten.
– jww
3 hours ago
@Mawg - The United States of Corporate America :) I envy European folks who have a right to privacy and a right to be forgotten.
– jww
3 hours ago
1
1
Since a few months ago :-/ But the "five eyes" don't leave much privacy for those in the UK
– Mawg
2 hours ago
Since a few months ago :-/ But the "five eyes" don't leave much privacy for those in the UK
– Mawg
2 hours ago
what... are you hiding? your name? your work history? if you're on linked in this is v. easy to discover.
– bharal
8 mins ago
what... are you hiding? your name? your work history? if you're on linked in this is v. easy to discover.
– bharal
8 mins ago
@bharal - No, I'm not hiding. The intention is to withhold PII information from the third parties while providing it to the company only if the company is interested in my skillset and experience. In risk analysis, the third party is an externality that represents risk from my point of view. They don't benefit me, and they cause me harm with their actions.
– jww
1 min ago
@bharal - No, I'm not hiding. The intention is to withhold PII information from the third parties while providing it to the company only if the company is interested in my skillset and experience. In risk analysis, the third party is an externality that represents risk from my point of view. They don't benefit me, and they cause me harm with their actions.
– jww
1 min ago
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Can you tell us which country this is? In Europe, you would be protected by the [GDPR]*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation) and could require them to disclose all data they hold about you, and ask for its deletion.
– Mawg
3 hours ago
1
@Mawg - The United States of Corporate America :) I envy European folks who have a right to privacy and a right to be forgotten.
– jww
3 hours ago
1
Since a few months ago :-/ But the "five eyes" don't leave much privacy for those in the UK
– Mawg
2 hours ago
what... are you hiding? your name? your work history? if you're on linked in this is v. easy to discover.
– bharal
8 mins ago
@bharal - No, I'm not hiding. The intention is to withhold PII information from the third parties while providing it to the company only if the company is interested in my skillset and experience. In risk analysis, the third party is an externality that represents risk from my point of view. They don't benefit me, and they cause me harm with their actions.
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