What's the original japanese word for door, other than the loanword ドア?

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I assume that ドア is a loanword from English, unless it's a big coincidence, yet, it's in the top 200 most used Japanese words by frequency in a Japanese words by frequency list. What's the original Japanese word for door? Any idea why they switched for the English one considering doors (or something similar foldable perhaps to cover an entrance) had to exist in Japan before western contact?

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I assume that ドア is a loanword from English, unless it's a big coincidence, yet, it's in the top 200 most used Japanese words by frequency in a Japanese words by frequency list. What's the original Japanese word for door? Any idea why they switched for the English one considering doors (or something similar foldable perhaps to cover an entrance) had to exist in Japan before western contact?

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I assume that ドア is a loanword from English, unless it's a big coincidence, yet, it's in the top 200 most used Japanese words by frequency in a Japanese words by frequency list. What's the original Japanese word for door? Any idea why they switched for the English one considering doors (or something similar foldable perhaps to cover an entrance) had to exist in Japan before western contact?

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Your suspicion is leading you down the right path.

ドア is in fact a loanword from English. According to Jisho.org, ドア is used in reference to a Western-style door. This is a door that opens on hinges.

Before the introduction of Western-style doors, you are also correct to assume that the Japanese had doors as well. These doors would slide on a track. In English, we would refer to them as sliding doors. In Japanese, you will refer to the Japanese-style door as 戸｛と｝. That being said, I can't really say that I have heard 戸 used very often. I think it's slightly archaic in its usage.

There is one word that will be used in reference to both Western and Japanese-style doors, 扉｛とびら｝. It is a commonly used word as well, because I recall having heard it used over the intercom when trains or elevators were openingclosing the doors saying:

扉が(開き閉まり)ます。ご注意ください。

The thing is that I have also heard ドア in those cases as well.

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  I wonder if Doraemon's "Doko Demo Doa" from 1969 had anything to do with the widespread adoption of that word, or if its adoption pre-dates Doraemon... hmm..
  – ericfromabeno
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  @ericfromabeno You could be right, but I suspect that usage was probably very common before that, if it was able to end up in Doraemon.
  – ajsmart
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Western style doors are 扉とびら which actually more loosely translates to "opening" I suppose. The sliding doors are called 障子しょうじ.

A linguist will have to answer the "why", although I suspect the simple answer is "because it's cool to use foreign words". One path that foreign words take to "common parlance" is through songs, so it wouldn't surprise me to find that the first popularization of the word ドア came from a song.

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  Do you have any examples of words that were clearly popularized by a song?
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  Short answer, no I don't. Long answer, I'm not a language historian, but I would be very surprised if borrowed words like "love" "romance" "baby" "angel" "sweet" "sweetheart" and "darling" did not come to common parlance by imported music during the 1950's/60's/70's, either directly from those English songs, or by being incorporated into songs in Japanese. "Energy" strikes me as another possible word popularized by song. How do you decide if something is "clearly" spread by a song or not? Yes, English is in general popular in Japan, and so it will spread. But popular songs must spread it too.
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Your suspicion is leading you down the right path.

ドア is in fact a loanword from English. According to Jisho.org, ドア is used in reference to a Western-style door. This is a door that opens on hinges.

Before the introduction of Western-style doors, you are also correct to assume that the Japanese had doors as well. These doors would slide on a track. In English, we would refer to them as sliding doors. In Japanese, you will refer to the Japanese-style door as 戸｛と｝. That being said, I can't really say that I have heard 戸 used very often. I think it's slightly archaic in its usage.

There is one word that will be used in reference to both Western and Japanese-style doors, 扉｛とびら｝. It is a commonly used word as well, because I recall having heard it used over the intercom when trains or elevators were openingclosing the doors saying:

扉が(開き閉まり)ます。ご注意ください。

The thing is that I have also heard ドア in those cases as well.

share|improve this answer

edited 5 hours ago

answered 5 hours ago

ajsmart

3,65821033

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I wonder if Doraemon's "Doko Demo Doa" from 1969 had anything to do with the widespread adoption of that word, or if its adoption pre-dates Doraemon... hmm..
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @ericfromabeno You could be right, but I suspect that usage was probably very common before that, if it was able to end up in Doraemon.
  – ajsmart
  1 hour ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

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3
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Your suspicion is leading you down the right path.

ドア is in fact a loanword from English. According to Jisho.org, ドア is used in reference to a Western-style door. This is a door that opens on hinges.

Before the introduction of Western-style doors, you are also correct to assume that the Japanese had doors as well. These doors would slide on a track. In English, we would refer to them as sliding doors. In Japanese, you will refer to the Japanese-style door as 戸｛と｝. That being said, I can't really say that I have heard 戸 used very often. I think it's slightly archaic in its usage.

There is one word that will be used in reference to both Western and Japanese-style doors, 扉｛とびら｝. It is a commonly used word as well, because I recall having heard it used over the intercom when trains or elevators were openingclosing the doors saying:

扉が(開き閉まり)ます。ご注意ください。

The thing is that I have also heard ドア in those cases as well.

share|improve this answer

edited 5 hours ago

answered 5 hours ago

ajsmart

3,65821033

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I wonder if Doraemon's "Doko Demo Doa" from 1969 had anything to do with the widespread adoption of that word, or if its adoption pre-dates Doraemon... hmm..
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @ericfromabeno You could be right, but I suspect that usage was probably very common before that, if it was able to end up in Doraemon.
  – ajsmart
  1 hour ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
3
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up vote
3
down vote

Your suspicion is leading you down the right path.

ドア is in fact a loanword from English. According to Jisho.org, ドア is used in reference to a Western-style door. This is a door that opens on hinges.

Before the introduction of Western-style doors, you are also correct to assume that the Japanese had doors as well. These doors would slide on a track. In English, we would refer to them as sliding doors. In Japanese, you will refer to the Japanese-style door as 戸｛と｝. That being said, I can't really say that I have heard 戸 used very often. I think it's slightly archaic in its usage.

There is one word that will be used in reference to both Western and Japanese-style doors, 扉｛とびら｝. It is a commonly used word as well, because I recall having heard it used over the intercom when trains or elevators were openingclosing the doors saying:

扉が(開き閉まり)ます。ご注意ください。

The thing is that I have also heard ドア in those cases as well.

share|improve this answer

edited 5 hours ago

answered 5 hours ago

ajsmart

3,65821033

Your suspicion is leading you down the right path.

ドア is in fact a loanword from English. According to Jisho.org, ドア is used in reference to a Western-style door. This is a door that opens on hinges.

Before the introduction of Western-style doors, you are also correct to assume that the Japanese had doors as well. These doors would slide on a track. In English, we would refer to them as sliding doors. In Japanese, you will refer to the Japanese-style door as 戸｛と｝. That being said, I can't really say that I have heard 戸 used very often. I think it's slightly archaic in its usage.

There is one word that will be used in reference to both Western and Japanese-style doors, 扉｛とびら｝. It is a commonly used word as well, because I recall having heard it used over the intercom when trains or elevators were openingclosing the doors saying:

扉が(開き閉まり)ます。ご注意ください。

The thing is that I have also heard ドア in those cases as well.

share|improve this answer

edited 5 hours ago

answered 5 hours ago

ajsmart

3,65821033

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share|improve this answer

edited 5 hours ago

edited 5 hours ago

edited 5 hours ago

answered 5 hours ago

ajsmart

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ajsmart

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answered 5 hours ago

ajsmart

3,65821033

3,65821033

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I wonder if Doraemon's "Doko Demo Doa" from 1969 had anything to do with the widespread adoption of that word, or if its adoption pre-dates Doraemon... hmm..
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @ericfromabeno You could be right, but I suspect that usage was probably very common before that, if it was able to end up in Doraemon.
  – ajsmart
  1 hour ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I wonder if Doraemon's "Doko Demo Doa" from 1969 had anything to do with the widespread adoption of that word, or if its adoption pre-dates Doraemon... hmm..
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @ericfromabeno You could be right, but I suspect that usage was probably very common before that, if it was able to end up in Doraemon.
  – ajsmart
  1 hour ago
  

  
  
  
  

I wonder if Doraemon's "Doko Demo Doa" from 1969 had anything to do with the widespread adoption of that word, or if its adoption pre-dates Doraemon... hmm..
– ericfromabeno
4 hours ago

I wonder if Doraemon's "Doko Demo Doa" from 1969 had anything to do with the widespread adoption of that word, or if its adoption pre-dates Doraemon... hmm..
– ericfromabeno
4 hours ago

@ericfromabeno You could be right, but I suspect that usage was probably very common before that, if it was able to end up in Doraemon.
– ajsmart
1 hour ago

@ericfromabeno You could be right, but I suspect that usage was probably very common before that, if it was able to end up in Doraemon.
– ajsmart
1 hour ago

add a comment | 

up vote
1
down vote

Western style doors are 扉とびら which actually more loosely translates to "opening" I suppose. The sliding doors are called 障子しょうじ.

A linguist will have to answer the "why", although I suspect the simple answer is "because it's cool to use foreign words". One path that foreign words take to "common parlance" is through songs, so it wouldn't surprise me to find that the first popularization of the word ドア came from a song.

share|improve this answer

answered 5 hours ago

ericfromabeno

2,414213

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Do you have any examples of words that were clearly popularized by a song?
  – kuchitsu
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Short answer, no I don't. Long answer, I'm not a language historian, but I would be very surprised if borrowed words like "love" "romance" "baby" "angel" "sweet" "sweetheart" and "darling" did not come to common parlance by imported music during the 1950's/60's/70's, either directly from those English songs, or by being incorporated into songs in Japanese. "Energy" strikes me as another possible word popularized by song. How do you decide if something is "clearly" spread by a song or not? Yes, English is in general popular in Japan, and so it will spread. But popular songs must spread it too.
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Why was this downvoted?
  – istrasci
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  probably too much conjecture in the last half? And the first half states only simply what the other answer went into more detail on. Though I would expect that to result in a "null" rather than a "minus" myself. But I'm biased. ;)
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
1
down vote

Western style doors are 扉とびら which actually more loosely translates to "opening" I suppose. The sliding doors are called 障子しょうじ.

A linguist will have to answer the "why", although I suspect the simple answer is "because it's cool to use foreign words". One path that foreign words take to "common parlance" is through songs, so it wouldn't surprise me to find that the first popularization of the word ドア came from a song.

share|improve this answer

answered 5 hours ago

ericfromabeno

2,414213

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Do you have any examples of words that were clearly popularized by a song?
  – kuchitsu
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Short answer, no I don't. Long answer, I'm not a language historian, but I would be very surprised if borrowed words like "love" "romance" "baby" "angel" "sweet" "sweetheart" and "darling" did not come to common parlance by imported music during the 1950's/60's/70's, either directly from those English songs, or by being incorporated into songs in Japanese. "Energy" strikes me as another possible word popularized by song. How do you decide if something is "clearly" spread by a song or not? Yes, English is in general popular in Japan, and so it will spread. But popular songs must spread it too.
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Why was this downvoted?
  – istrasci
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  probably too much conjecture in the last half? And the first half states only simply what the other answer went into more detail on. Though I would expect that to result in a "null" rather than a "minus" myself. But I'm biased. ;)
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
1
down vote

up vote
1
down vote

Western style doors are 扉とびら which actually more loosely translates to "opening" I suppose. The sliding doors are called 障子しょうじ.

A linguist will have to answer the "why", although I suspect the simple answer is "because it's cool to use foreign words". One path that foreign words take to "common parlance" is through songs, so it wouldn't surprise me to find that the first popularization of the word ドア came from a song.

share|improve this answer

answered 5 hours ago

ericfromabeno

2,414213

Western style doors are 扉とびら which actually more loosely translates to "opening" I suppose. The sliding doors are called 障子しょうじ.

A linguist will have to answer the "why", although I suspect the simple answer is "because it's cool to use foreign words". One path that foreign words take to "common parlance" is through songs, so it wouldn't surprise me to find that the first popularization of the word ドア came from a song.

share|improve this answer

answered 5 hours ago

ericfromabeno

2,414213

share|improve this answer

share|improve this answer

answered 5 hours ago

ericfromabeno

2,414213

answered 5 hours ago

ericfromabeno

2,414213

answered 5 hours ago

ericfromabeno

2,414213

2,414213

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Do you have any examples of words that were clearly popularized by a song?
  – kuchitsu
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Short answer, no I don't. Long answer, I'm not a language historian, but I would be very surprised if borrowed words like "love" "romance" "baby" "angel" "sweet" "sweetheart" and "darling" did not come to common parlance by imported music during the 1950's/60's/70's, either directly from those English songs, or by being incorporated into songs in Japanese. "Energy" strikes me as another possible word popularized by song. How do you decide if something is "clearly" spread by a song or not? Yes, English is in general popular in Japan, and so it will spread. But popular songs must spread it too.
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Why was this downvoted?
  – istrasci
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  probably too much conjecture in the last half? And the first half states only simply what the other answer went into more detail on. Though I would expect that to result in a "null" rather than a "minus" myself. But I'm biased. ;)
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Do you have any examples of words that were clearly popularized by a song?
  – kuchitsu
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Short answer, no I don't. Long answer, I'm not a language historian, but I would be very surprised if borrowed words like "love" "romance" "baby" "angel" "sweet" "sweetheart" and "darling" did not come to common parlance by imported music during the 1950's/60's/70's, either directly from those English songs, or by being incorporated into songs in Japanese. "Energy" strikes me as another possible word popularized by song. How do you decide if something is "clearly" spread by a song or not? Yes, English is in general popular in Japan, and so it will spread. But popular songs must spread it too.
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Why was this downvoted?
  – istrasci
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  probably too much conjecture in the last half? And the first half states only simply what the other answer went into more detail on. Though I would expect that to result in a "null" rather than a "minus" myself. But I'm biased. ;)
  – ericfromabeno
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

Do you have any examples of words that were clearly popularized by a song?
– kuchitsu
5 hours ago

Do you have any examples of words that were clearly popularized by a song?
– kuchitsu
5 hours ago

Short answer, no I don't. Long answer, I'm not a language historian, but I would be very surprised if borrowed words like "love" "romance" "baby" "angel" "sweet" "sweetheart" and "darling" did not come to common parlance by imported music during the 1950's/60's/70's, either directly from those English songs, or by being incorporated into songs in Japanese. "Energy" strikes me as another possible word popularized by song. How do you decide if something is "clearly" spread by a song or not? Yes, English is in general popular in Japan, and so it will spread. But popular songs must spread it too.
– ericfromabeno
4 hours ago

Short answer, no I don't. Long answer, I'm not a language historian, but I would be very surprised if borrowed words like "love" "romance" "baby" "angel" "sweet" "sweetheart" and "darling" did not come to common parlance by imported music during the 1950's/60's/70's, either directly from those English songs, or by being incorporated into songs in Japanese. "Energy" strikes me as another possible word popularized by song. How do you decide if something is "clearly" spread by a song or not? Yes, English is in general popular in Japan, and so it will spread. But popular songs must spread it too.
– ericfromabeno
4 hours ago

1

1

Why was this downvoted?
– istrasci
4 hours ago

Why was this downvoted?
– istrasci
4 hours ago

probably too much conjecture in the last half? And the first half states only simply what the other answer went into more detail on. Though I would expect that to result in a "null" rather than a "minus" myself. But I'm biased. ;)
– ericfromabeno
4 hours ago

probably too much conjecture in the last half? And the first half states only simply what the other answer went into more detail on. Though I would expect that to result in a "null" rather than a "minus" myself. But I'm biased. ;)
– ericfromabeno
4 hours ago

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