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Wrongful hiring is the case where actual job turns out to be very
different than what you have applied to.
I have recently started my second job, leaving my first job after 7 months due to wrongful hiring. For my first job, I have applied for a DevOps position but I ended up doing front end web development. I had no experience nor desire in doing front end development yet I was doing it. I was never given any chance to demonstrate my DevOps knowledge, and yet my senior and manager was very sure that it was too early for me to switch to operations. I was also sitting idle until given a task. I was not allowed to grab one from the backlog nor work on or study something else. Mind that neither of them had any experience with DevOps before.
Fast forward, I applied to a DevOps position at a global company trusting the brand name. I got through a very technical interview where I was asked questions about vendor specific products used in DevOps and was hired immediately.
I must say I felt proud that even though I jumped the ship too early, I was able to get hold of a better position.
Now after two months into new job it is clear that my day to day duty has nothing to do with DevOps. I am hired for support work. Basically I am a customer relationship officer with knowledge of Docker.
My first company was a well known start-up at my country, and my current company is a well known global company. During my first job interview I was asked whether I am willing to do some development time to time and I said yes to it thinking that since I am hired for the back end team, I'll work in developing API's and what not in addition to my DevOps duties. I was not expecting front end development given that we already had 3 people doing those. So,
I did asked questions about my current position and made it clear why I am leaving my job when interviewing again. So hiring manager was well aware of my standpoint, yet he did not openly informed me that the position will be a support role rather than any dev or ops.
My question is, if I cannot trust the brand name what/who can I trust to? How many job changes does it take to land the actual position doing the actual thing? How am I, as a new graduate/early career developer navigate through this "actual job turning out to be something very different" without it's being too late at weird positions ?
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Wrongful hiring is the case where actual job turns out to be very
different than what you have applied to.
I have recently started my second job, leaving my first job after 7 months due to wrongful hiring. For my first job, I have applied for a DevOps position but I ended up doing front end web development. I had no experience nor desire in doing front end development yet I was doing it. I was never given any chance to demonstrate my DevOps knowledge, and yet my senior and manager was very sure that it was too early for me to switch to operations. I was also sitting idle until given a task. I was not allowed to grab one from the backlog nor work on or study something else. Mind that neither of them had any experience with DevOps before.
Fast forward, I applied to a DevOps position at a global company trusting the brand name. I got through a very technical interview where I was asked questions about vendor specific products used in DevOps and was hired immediately.
I must say I felt proud that even though I jumped the ship too early, I was able to get hold of a better position.
Now after two months into new job it is clear that my day to day duty has nothing to do with DevOps. I am hired for support work. Basically I am a customer relationship officer with knowledge of Docker.
My first company was a well known start-up at my country, and my current company is a well known global company. During my first job interview I was asked whether I am willing to do some development time to time and I said yes to it thinking that since I am hired for the back end team, I'll work in developing API's and what not in addition to my DevOps duties. I was not expecting front end development given that we already had 3 people doing those. So,
I did asked questions about my current position and made it clear why I am leaving my job when interviewing again. So hiring manager was well aware of my standpoint, yet he did not openly informed me that the position will be a support role rather than any dev or ops.
My question is, if I cannot trust the brand name what/who can I trust to? How many job changes does it take to land the actual position doing the actual thing? How am I, as a new graduate/early career developer navigate through this "actual job turning out to be something very different" without it's being too late at weird positions ?
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Possible duplicate of Finding out the project condition and company processes?
– gnat
1 hour ago
What is your job title in the new role? Does what you are doing match what was on the job description?
– delinear
59 mins ago
It is devops engineering. No, job description and what I am doing day to day does not match. My daily job is literally support engineering not devops.
– oftencoffee
37 mins ago
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up vote
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Wrongful hiring is the case where actual job turns out to be very
different than what you have applied to.
I have recently started my second job, leaving my first job after 7 months due to wrongful hiring. For my first job, I have applied for a DevOps position but I ended up doing front end web development. I had no experience nor desire in doing front end development yet I was doing it. I was never given any chance to demonstrate my DevOps knowledge, and yet my senior and manager was very sure that it was too early for me to switch to operations. I was also sitting idle until given a task. I was not allowed to grab one from the backlog nor work on or study something else. Mind that neither of them had any experience with DevOps before.
Fast forward, I applied to a DevOps position at a global company trusting the brand name. I got through a very technical interview where I was asked questions about vendor specific products used in DevOps and was hired immediately.
I must say I felt proud that even though I jumped the ship too early, I was able to get hold of a better position.
Now after two months into new job it is clear that my day to day duty has nothing to do with DevOps. I am hired for support work. Basically I am a customer relationship officer with knowledge of Docker.
My first company was a well known start-up at my country, and my current company is a well known global company. During my first job interview I was asked whether I am willing to do some development time to time and I said yes to it thinking that since I am hired for the back end team, I'll work in developing API's and what not in addition to my DevOps duties. I was not expecting front end development given that we already had 3 people doing those. So,
I did asked questions about my current position and made it clear why I am leaving my job when interviewing again. So hiring manager was well aware of my standpoint, yet he did not openly informed me that the position will be a support role rather than any dev or ops.
My question is, if I cannot trust the brand name what/who can I trust to? How many job changes does it take to land the actual position doing the actual thing? How am I, as a new graduate/early career developer navigate through this "actual job turning out to be something very different" without it's being too late at weird positions ?
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Wrongful hiring is the case where actual job turns out to be very
different than what you have applied to.
I have recently started my second job, leaving my first job after 7 months due to wrongful hiring. For my first job, I have applied for a DevOps position but I ended up doing front end web development. I had no experience nor desire in doing front end development yet I was doing it. I was never given any chance to demonstrate my DevOps knowledge, and yet my senior and manager was very sure that it was too early for me to switch to operations. I was also sitting idle until given a task. I was not allowed to grab one from the backlog nor work on or study something else. Mind that neither of them had any experience with DevOps before.
Fast forward, I applied to a DevOps position at a global company trusting the brand name. I got through a very technical interview where I was asked questions about vendor specific products used in DevOps and was hired immediately.
I must say I felt proud that even though I jumped the ship too early, I was able to get hold of a better position.
Now after two months into new job it is clear that my day to day duty has nothing to do with DevOps. I am hired for support work. Basically I am a customer relationship officer with knowledge of Docker.
My first company was a well known start-up at my country, and my current company is a well known global company. During my first job interview I was asked whether I am willing to do some development time to time and I said yes to it thinking that since I am hired for the back end team, I'll work in developing API's and what not in addition to my DevOps duties. I was not expecting front end development given that we already had 3 people doing those. So,
I did asked questions about my current position and made it clear why I am leaving my job when interviewing again. So hiring manager was well aware of my standpoint, yet he did not openly informed me that the position will be a support role rather than any dev or ops.
My question is, if I cannot trust the brand name what/who can I trust to? How many job changes does it take to land the actual position doing the actual thing? How am I, as a new graduate/early career developer navigate through this "actual job turning out to be something very different" without it's being too late at weird positions ?
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Possible duplicate of Finding out the project condition and company processes?
– gnat
1 hour ago
What is your job title in the new role? Does what you are doing match what was on the job description?
– delinear
59 mins ago
It is devops engineering. No, job description and what I am doing day to day does not match. My daily job is literally support engineering not devops.
– oftencoffee
37 mins ago
add a comment |Â
Possible duplicate of Finding out the project condition and company processes?
– gnat
1 hour ago
What is your job title in the new role? Does what you are doing match what was on the job description?
– delinear
59 mins ago
It is devops engineering. No, job description and what I am doing day to day does not match. My daily job is literally support engineering not devops.
– oftencoffee
37 mins ago
Possible duplicate of Finding out the project condition and company processes?
– gnat
1 hour ago
Possible duplicate of Finding out the project condition and company processes?
– gnat
1 hour ago
What is your job title in the new role? Does what you are doing match what was on the job description?
– delinear
59 mins ago
What is your job title in the new role? Does what you are doing match what was on the job description?
– delinear
59 mins ago
It is devops engineering. No, job description and what I am doing day to day does not match. My daily job is literally support engineering not devops.
– oftencoffee
37 mins ago
It is devops engineering. No, job description and what I am doing day to day does not match. My daily job is literally support engineering not devops.
– oftencoffee
37 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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What can I trust?
Nothing is the short answer.
People will always make the job look more enticing than it actually is. That's part of recruitment in order to get good overqualified staff to do potentially an easier job. (on purpose or not it happens)
Since you are very early into your actual working career you need to develop experience in the fields that you may not want to in order to develop into the career you want.
You should also ask more questions to the interviewer when you are being interviewed. Interviews are a two way street for you to find out about the job and company whilst the employer can find about you.
Make sure you get all the information you need during this time (even then you may be lied to or the role may be disguised).
If it still happens you either confront your mentor/manager mentioning you weren't given the role you expected although you asked in the interview and was told to your face otherwise. Or you can leave, and carry on looking. That's just the life of looking for a job specific job.
answered 1 hour ago
Twyxz
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At my old job not only I was doing something totally different but also I was sitting idle rest of the time and was not allowed to work or study on something else. So, waiting there was not a good option. I think I am failing at assessing the job during interviews. What kind of questions should I be asking?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
Whatever you want to find out. If you want to know the roles, Just ask again just to be sure what job roles will I be doing, what tasks etc etc is there any way to progress. Just things that you want to find out you need to be clear on
– Twyxz
1 hour ago
Well I did those and they said "Yeah" to most of them and things turn out to be just the opposite. Then what?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
1
Even where it's not deliberate, it can still happen. I've been in the position of being interviewed for a specific role working exclusively with framework A, getting the role, then finding out I'd be working with framework B (and then seeing multiple other devs go through the same thing) just because (mostly contract) devs working on framework B kept leaving during the hiring process and that project was the priority so they had to keep plugging the gap with their new hires, even if they weren't a perfect fit.
– delinear
1 hour ago
1
Then you confront them @oftencoffee Say I was told I'd being doing this and I'm not, I sit idle most the time and aren't allowed to self learn is there anything that can be done?
– Twyxz
52 mins ago
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
2
down vote
What can I trust?
Nothing is the short answer.
People will always make the job look more enticing than it actually is. That's part of recruitment in order to get good overqualified staff to do potentially an easier job. (on purpose or not it happens)
Since you are very early into your actual working career you need to develop experience in the fields that you may not want to in order to develop into the career you want.
You should also ask more questions to the interviewer when you are being interviewed. Interviews are a two way street for you to find out about the job and company whilst the employer can find about you.
Make sure you get all the information you need during this time (even then you may be lied to or the role may be disguised).
If it still happens you either confront your mentor/manager mentioning you weren't given the role you expected although you asked in the interview and was told to your face otherwise. Or you can leave, and carry on looking. That's just the life of looking for a job specific job.
answered 1 hour ago
Twyxz
3,93951846
At my old job not only I was doing something totally different but also I was sitting idle rest of the time and was not allowed to work or study on something else. So, waiting there was not a good option. I think I am failing at assessing the job during interviews. What kind of questions should I be asking?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
Whatever you want to find out. If you want to know the roles, Just ask again just to be sure what job roles will I be doing, what tasks etc etc is there any way to progress. Just things that you want to find out you need to be clear on
– Twyxz
1 hour ago
Well I did those and they said "Yeah" to most of them and things turn out to be just the opposite. Then what?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
1
Even where it's not deliberate, it can still happen. I've been in the position of being interviewed for a specific role working exclusively with framework A, getting the role, then finding out I'd be working with framework B (and then seeing multiple other devs go through the same thing) just because (mostly contract) devs working on framework B kept leaving during the hiring process and that project was the priority so they had to keep plugging the gap with their new hires, even if they weren't a perfect fit.
– delinear
1 hour ago
1
Then you confront them @oftencoffee Say I was told I'd being doing this and I'm not, I sit idle most the time and aren't allowed to self learn is there anything that can be done?
– Twyxz
52 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
What can I trust?
Nothing is the short answer.
People will always make the job look more enticing than it actually is. That's part of recruitment in order to get good overqualified staff to do potentially an easier job. (on purpose or not it happens)
Since you are very early into your actual working career you need to develop experience in the fields that you may not want to in order to develop into the career you want.
You should also ask more questions to the interviewer when you are being interviewed. Interviews are a two way street for you to find out about the job and company whilst the employer can find about you.
Make sure you get all the information you need during this time (even then you may be lied to or the role may be disguised).
If it still happens you either confront your mentor/manager mentioning you weren't given the role you expected although you asked in the interview and was told to your face otherwise. Or you can leave, and carry on looking. That's just the life of looking for a job specific job.
answered 1 hour ago
Twyxz
3,93951846
At my old job not only I was doing something totally different but also I was sitting idle rest of the time and was not allowed to work or study on something else. So, waiting there was not a good option. I think I am failing at assessing the job during interviews. What kind of questions should I be asking?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
Whatever you want to find out. If you want to know the roles, Just ask again just to be sure what job roles will I be doing, what tasks etc etc is there any way to progress. Just things that you want to find out you need to be clear on
– Twyxz
1 hour ago
Well I did those and they said "Yeah" to most of them and things turn out to be just the opposite. Then what?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
1
Even where it's not deliberate, it can still happen. I've been in the position of being interviewed for a specific role working exclusively with framework A, getting the role, then finding out I'd be working with framework B (and then seeing multiple other devs go through the same thing) just because (mostly contract) devs working on framework B kept leaving during the hiring process and that project was the priority so they had to keep plugging the gap with their new hires, even if they weren't a perfect fit.
– delinear
1 hour ago
1
Then you confront them @oftencoffee Say I was told I'd being doing this and I'm not, I sit idle most the time and aren't allowed to self learn is there anything that can be done?
– Twyxz
52 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
What can I trust?
Nothing is the short answer.
People will always make the job look more enticing than it actually is. That's part of recruitment in order to get good overqualified staff to do potentially an easier job. (on purpose or not it happens)
Since you are very early into your actual working career you need to develop experience in the fields that you may not want to in order to develop into the career you want.
You should also ask more questions to the interviewer when you are being interviewed. Interviews are a two way street for you to find out about the job and company whilst the employer can find about you.
Make sure you get all the information you need during this time (even then you may be lied to or the role may be disguised).
If it still happens you either confront your mentor/manager mentioning you weren't given the role you expected although you asked in the interview and was told to your face otherwise. Or you can leave, and carry on looking. That's just the life of looking for a job specific job.
answered 1 hour ago
Twyxz
3,93951846
What can I trust?
Nothing is the short answer.
People will always make the job look more enticing than it actually is. That's part of recruitment in order to get good overqualified staff to do potentially an easier job. (on purpose or not it happens)
Since you are very early into your actual working career you need to develop experience in the fields that you may not want to in order to develop into the career you want.
You should also ask more questions to the interviewer when you are being interviewed. Interviews are a two way street for you to find out about the job and company whilst the employer can find about you.
Make sure you get all the information you need during this time (even then you may be lied to or the role may be disguised).
If it still happens you either confront your mentor/manager mentioning you weren't given the role you expected although you asked in the interview and was told to your face otherwise. Or you can leave, and carry on looking. That's just the life of looking for a job specific job.
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answered 1 hour ago
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answered 1 hour ago
Twyxz
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At my old job not only I was doing something totally different but also I was sitting idle rest of the time and was not allowed to work or study on something else. So, waiting there was not a good option. I think I am failing at assessing the job during interviews. What kind of questions should I be asking?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
Whatever you want to find out. If you want to know the roles, Just ask again just to be sure what job roles will I be doing, what tasks etc etc is there any way to progress. Just things that you want to find out you need to be clear on
– Twyxz
1 hour ago
Well I did those and they said "Yeah" to most of them and things turn out to be just the opposite. Then what?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
1
Even where it's not deliberate, it can still happen. I've been in the position of being interviewed for a specific role working exclusively with framework A, getting the role, then finding out I'd be working with framework B (and then seeing multiple other devs go through the same thing) just because (mostly contract) devs working on framework B kept leaving during the hiring process and that project was the priority so they had to keep plugging the gap with their new hires, even if they weren't a perfect fit.
– delinear
1 hour ago
1
Then you confront them @oftencoffee Say I was told I'd being doing this and I'm not, I sit idle most the time and aren't allowed to self learn is there anything that can be done?
– Twyxz
52 mins ago
add a comment |Â
At my old job not only I was doing something totally different but also I was sitting idle rest of the time and was not allowed to work or study on something else. So, waiting there was not a good option. I think I am failing at assessing the job during interviews. What kind of questions should I be asking?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
Whatever you want to find out. If you want to know the roles, Just ask again just to be sure what job roles will I be doing, what tasks etc etc is there any way to progress. Just things that you want to find out you need to be clear on
– Twyxz
1 hour ago
Well I did those and they said "Yeah" to most of them and things turn out to be just the opposite. Then what?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
1
Even where it's not deliberate, it can still happen. I've been in the position of being interviewed for a specific role working exclusively with framework A, getting the role, then finding out I'd be working with framework B (and then seeing multiple other devs go through the same thing) just because (mostly contract) devs working on framework B kept leaving during the hiring process and that project was the priority so they had to keep plugging the gap with their new hires, even if they weren't a perfect fit.
– delinear
1 hour ago
1
Then you confront them @oftencoffee Say I was told I'd being doing this and I'm not, I sit idle most the time and aren't allowed to self learn is there anything that can be done?
– Twyxz
52 mins ago
At my old job not only I was doing something totally different but also I was sitting idle rest of the time and was not allowed to work or study on something else. So, waiting there was not a good option. I think I am failing at assessing the job during interviews. What kind of questions should I be asking?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
At my old job not only I was doing something totally different but also I was sitting idle rest of the time and was not allowed to work or study on something else. So, waiting there was not a good option. I think I am failing at assessing the job during interviews. What kind of questions should I be asking?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
Whatever you want to find out. If you want to know the roles, Just ask again just to be sure what job roles will I be doing, what tasks etc etc is there any way to progress. Just things that you want to find out you need to be clear on
– Twyxz
1 hour ago
Whatever you want to find out. If you want to know the roles, Just ask again just to be sure what job roles will I be doing, what tasks etc etc is there any way to progress. Just things that you want to find out you need to be clear on
– Twyxz
1 hour ago
Well I did those and they said "Yeah" to most of them and things turn out to be just the opposite. Then what?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
Well I did those and they said "Yeah" to most of them and things turn out to be just the opposite. Then what?
– oftencoffee
1 hour ago
1
1
Even where it's not deliberate, it can still happen. I've been in the position of being interviewed for a specific role working exclusively with framework A, getting the role, then finding out I'd be working with framework B (and then seeing multiple other devs go through the same thing) just because (mostly contract) devs working on framework B kept leaving during the hiring process and that project was the priority so they had to keep plugging the gap with their new hires, even if they weren't a perfect fit.
– delinear
1 hour ago
Even where it's not deliberate, it can still happen. I've been in the position of being interviewed for a specific role working exclusively with framework A, getting the role, then finding out I'd be working with framework B (and then seeing multiple other devs go through the same thing) just because (mostly contract) devs working on framework B kept leaving during the hiring process and that project was the priority so they had to keep plugging the gap with their new hires, even if they weren't a perfect fit.
– delinear
1 hour ago
1
1
Then you confront them @oftencoffee Say I was told I'd being doing this and I'm not, I sit idle most the time and aren't allowed to self learn is there anything that can be done?
– Twyxz
52 mins ago
Then you confront them @oftencoffee Say I was told I'd being doing this and I'm not, I sit idle most the time and aren't allowed to self learn is there anything that can be done?
– Twyxz
52 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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Possible duplicate of Finding out the project condition and company processes?
– gnat
1 hour ago
What is your job title in the new role? Does what you are doing match what was on the job description?
– delinear
59 mins ago
It is devops engineering. No, job description and what I am doing day to day does not match. My daily job is literally support engineering not devops.
– oftencoffee
37 mins ago