Finding the acceleration of a system
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I think I'm missing something in my working of this mechanics question. The working seems to short but I don't know what else to do.
Box $A$ of mass $10kg$ rests on a smooth horizontal table. It is connected to one end of a light inextensible string which passes over a smooth pulley at the same height of the box. Box B of mass $8kg$ is attached to the other end of the string.
Find the acceleration of the system and the tension in the string.
I did:
Tension $ =8g =78.4N$
Then, by $F=ma$,
$78.4 = 10a$, so $7.84 ms^-2 = a$
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I think I'm missing something in my working of this mechanics question. The working seems to short but I don't know what else to do.
Box $A$ of mass $10kg$ rests on a smooth horizontal table. It is connected to one end of a light inextensible string which passes over a smooth pulley at the same height of the box. Box B of mass $8kg$ is attached to the other end of the string.
Find the acceleration of the system and the tension in the string.
I did:
Tension $ =8g =78.4N$
Then, by $F=ma$,
$78.4 = 10a$, so $7.84 ms^-2 = a$
proof-verification classical-mechanics
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By jumping to the conclusion that the tension is $8g,$ you have also concluded that the hanging mass cannot accelerate, because the forces on it are balanced. Yet the hanging mass should always have the same speed as the sliding mass since the string doesn't change length, and the sliding mass does accelerate, so the hanging mass also must. Contradiction! You resolve the contradiction by admitting your assumption was wrong and the amount of tension is not $8g.$
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I think I'm missing something in my working of this mechanics question. The working seems to short but I don't know what else to do.
Box $A$ of mass $10kg$ rests on a smooth horizontal table. It is connected to one end of a light inextensible string which passes over a smooth pulley at the same height of the box. Box B of mass $8kg$ is attached to the other end of the string.
Find the acceleration of the system and the tension in the string.
I did:
Tension $ =8g =78.4N$
Then, by $F=ma$,
$78.4 = 10a$, so $7.84 ms^-2 = a$
proof-verification classical-mechanics
I think I'm missing something in my working of this mechanics question. The working seems to short but I don't know what else to do.
Box $A$ of mass $10kg$ rests on a smooth horizontal table. It is connected to one end of a light inextensible string which passes over a smooth pulley at the same height of the box. Box B of mass $8kg$ is attached to the other end of the string.
Find the acceleration of the system and the tension in the string.
I did:
Tension $ =8g =78.4N$
Then, by $F=ma$,
$78.4 = 10a$, so $7.84 ms^-2 = a$
proof-verification classical-mechanics
proof-verification classical-mechanics
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By jumping to the conclusion that the tension is $8g,$ you have also concluded that the hanging mass cannot accelerate, because the forces on it are balanced. Yet the hanging mass should always have the same speed as the sliding mass since the string doesn't change length, and the sliding mass does accelerate, so the hanging mass also must. Contradiction! You resolve the contradiction by admitting your assumption was wrong and the amount of tension is not $8g.$
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By jumping to the conclusion that the tension is $8g,$ you have also concluded that the hanging mass cannot accelerate, because the forces on it are balanced. Yet the hanging mass should always have the same speed as the sliding mass since the string doesn't change length, and the sliding mass does accelerate, so the hanging mass also must. Contradiction! You resolve the contradiction by admitting your assumption was wrong and the amount of tension is not $8g.$
â David K
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By jumping to the conclusion that the tension is $8g,$ you have also concluded that the hanging mass cannot accelerate, because the forces on it are balanced. Yet the hanging mass should always have the same speed as the sliding mass since the string doesn't change length, and the sliding mass does accelerate, so the hanging mass also must. Contradiction! You resolve the contradiction by admitting your assumption was wrong and the amount of tension is not $8g.$
â David K
3 hours ago
By jumping to the conclusion that the tension is $8g,$ you have also concluded that the hanging mass cannot accelerate, because the forces on it are balanced. Yet the hanging mass should always have the same speed as the sliding mass since the string doesn't change length, and the sliding mass does accelerate, so the hanging mass also must. Contradiction! You resolve the contradiction by admitting your assumption was wrong and the amount of tension is not $8g.$
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Your calculation is incorrect. In this situation the tension shall be $frac 409 g N$ and the acceleration $frac49 g$.
The equations will be -
Total mass * Net acceleration of system = Total downward force
and,
Net downward force - Tension = Mass of B * Acceleration if B
Mathematically,
$$ 18.a = 8.g$$ and,
$$8g - T = 8.a$$.
Subsisting the value of $a$ from the first equation to the second shall give you $T$.
To gain a better understanding for such problems, note that since the the two bodies are connected to form a single system, they must have the same acceleration, $a$. This acceleration shall be the ratio of the total force acting upon and the total mass if the system (see the first equation), as stated by Newton in his second law.
Now, notice that the same reasoning about Newton's law holds individually for the two bodies. (See second equation with regard to body B). It may be helpful to remember that the since the table is smooth, the only force acting on body A, is the tension in the string.
Note that drawing free body diagrams, is in general, a great help in such problems and shall allow you to quickly go through whatever reasoning (like the above) is required by the physical situation.
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$F_A,F_B$ forces on $A$ and $B$ resp. $T$ tension, $a$ acceleration.
1)$ F_A = T = m_A a $,
2) $ F_B =m_B g -T=m_ B a.$
Add 2)+1):
$m_Bg=(m_A+m_B)a$;
$a= dfracm_Bm_A+m_Bg;$
$T=dfracm_A m_Bm_A+m_Bg$.
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Displacement of the two masses shall be the same, so is speed and so acceleration.
On one side you have the equilibrium $mg-F=ma$, on the other $F=Ma$: two equations in the unknowns $F$ and $a$.
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
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up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Your calculation is incorrect. In this situation the tension shall be $frac 409 g N$ and the acceleration $frac49 g$.
The equations will be -
Total mass * Net acceleration of system = Total downward force
and,
Net downward force - Tension = Mass of B * Acceleration if B
Mathematically,
$$ 18.a = 8.g$$ and,
$$8g - T = 8.a$$.
Subsisting the value of $a$ from the first equation to the second shall give you $T$.
To gain a better understanding for such problems, note that since the the two bodies are connected to form a single system, they must have the same acceleration, $a$. This acceleration shall be the ratio of the total force acting upon and the total mass if the system (see the first equation), as stated by Newton in his second law.
Now, notice that the same reasoning about Newton's law holds individually for the two bodies. (See second equation with regard to body B). It may be helpful to remember that the since the table is smooth, the only force acting on body A, is the tension in the string.
Note that drawing free body diagrams, is in general, a great help in such problems and shall allow you to quickly go through whatever reasoning (like the above) is required by the physical situation.
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Your calculation is incorrect. In this situation the tension shall be $frac 409 g N$ and the acceleration $frac49 g$.
The equations will be -
Total mass * Net acceleration of system = Total downward force
and,
Net downward force - Tension = Mass of B * Acceleration if B
Mathematically,
$$ 18.a = 8.g$$ and,
$$8g - T = 8.a$$.
Subsisting the value of $a$ from the first equation to the second shall give you $T$.
To gain a better understanding for such problems, note that since the the two bodies are connected to form a single system, they must have the same acceleration, $a$. This acceleration shall be the ratio of the total force acting upon and the total mass if the system (see the first equation), as stated by Newton in his second law.
Now, notice that the same reasoning about Newton's law holds individually for the two bodies. (See second equation with regard to body B). It may be helpful to remember that the since the table is smooth, the only force acting on body A, is the tension in the string.
Note that drawing free body diagrams, is in general, a great help in such problems and shall allow you to quickly go through whatever reasoning (like the above) is required by the physical situation.
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up vote
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Your calculation is incorrect. In this situation the tension shall be $frac 409 g N$ and the acceleration $frac49 g$.
The equations will be -
Total mass * Net acceleration of system = Total downward force
and,
Net downward force - Tension = Mass of B * Acceleration if B
Mathematically,
$$ 18.a = 8.g$$ and,
$$8g - T = 8.a$$.
Subsisting the value of $a$ from the first equation to the second shall give you $T$.
To gain a better understanding for such problems, note that since the the two bodies are connected to form a single system, they must have the same acceleration, $a$. This acceleration shall be the ratio of the total force acting upon and the total mass if the system (see the first equation), as stated by Newton in his second law.
Now, notice that the same reasoning about Newton's law holds individually for the two bodies. (See second equation with regard to body B). It may be helpful to remember that the since the table is smooth, the only force acting on body A, is the tension in the string.
Note that drawing free body diagrams, is in general, a great help in such problems and shall allow you to quickly go through whatever reasoning (like the above) is required by the physical situation.
Your calculation is incorrect. In this situation the tension shall be $frac 409 g N$ and the acceleration $frac49 g$.
The equations will be -
Total mass * Net acceleration of system = Total downward force
and,
Net downward force - Tension = Mass of B * Acceleration if B
Mathematically,
$$ 18.a = 8.g$$ and,
$$8g - T = 8.a$$.
Subsisting the value of $a$ from the first equation to the second shall give you $T$.
To gain a better understanding for such problems, note that since the the two bodies are connected to form a single system, they must have the same acceleration, $a$. This acceleration shall be the ratio of the total force acting upon and the total mass if the system (see the first equation), as stated by Newton in his second law.
Now, notice that the same reasoning about Newton's law holds individually for the two bodies. (See second equation with regard to body B). It may be helpful to remember that the since the table is smooth, the only force acting on body A, is the tension in the string.
Note that drawing free body diagrams, is in general, a great help in such problems and shall allow you to quickly go through whatever reasoning (like the above) is required by the physical situation.
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$F_A,F_B$ forces on $A$ and $B$ resp. $T$ tension, $a$ acceleration.
1)$ F_A = T = m_A a $,
2) $ F_B =m_B g -T=m_ B a.$
Add 2)+1):
$m_Bg=(m_A+m_B)a$;
$a= dfracm_Bm_A+m_Bg;$
$T=dfracm_A m_Bm_A+m_Bg$.
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$F_A,F_B$ forces on $A$ and $B$ resp. $T$ tension, $a$ acceleration.
1)$ F_A = T = m_A a $,
2) $ F_B =m_B g -T=m_ B a.$
Add 2)+1):
$m_Bg=(m_A+m_B)a$;
$a= dfracm_Bm_A+m_Bg;$
$T=dfracm_A m_Bm_A+m_Bg$.
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$F_A,F_B$ forces on $A$ and $B$ resp. $T$ tension, $a$ acceleration.
1)$ F_A = T = m_A a $,
2) $ F_B =m_B g -T=m_ B a.$
Add 2)+1):
$m_Bg=(m_A+m_B)a$;
$a= dfracm_Bm_A+m_Bg;$
$T=dfracm_A m_Bm_A+m_Bg$.
$F_A,F_B$ forces on $A$ and $B$ resp. $T$ tension, $a$ acceleration.
1)$ F_A = T = m_A a $,
2) $ F_B =m_B g -T=m_ B a.$
Add 2)+1):
$m_Bg=(m_A+m_B)a$;
$a= dfracm_Bm_A+m_Bg;$
$T=dfracm_A m_Bm_A+m_Bg$.
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Displacement of the two masses shall be the same, so is speed and so acceleration.
On one side you have the equilibrium $mg-F=ma$, on the other $F=Ma$: two equations in the unknowns $F$ and $a$.
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Displacement of the two masses shall be the same, so is speed and so acceleration.
On one side you have the equilibrium $mg-F=ma$, on the other $F=Ma$: two equations in the unknowns $F$ and $a$.
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Displacement of the two masses shall be the same, so is speed and so acceleration.
On one side you have the equilibrium $mg-F=ma$, on the other $F=Ma$: two equations in the unknowns $F$ and $a$.
Displacement of the two masses shall be the same, so is speed and so acceleration.
On one side you have the equilibrium $mg-F=ma$, on the other $F=Ma$: two equations in the unknowns $F$ and $a$.
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By jumping to the conclusion that the tension is $8g,$ you have also concluded that the hanging mass cannot accelerate, because the forces on it are balanced. Yet the hanging mass should always have the same speed as the sliding mass since the string doesn't change length, and the sliding mass does accelerate, so the hanging mass also must. Contradiction! You resolve the contradiction by admitting your assumption was wrong and the amount of tension is not $8g.$
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