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If electricity is banned on shabbat, how does a person deal with the problem of the body being a conductor? When I hold a person's hands, it creates a circuit. If I let go of their hands then I have just broke the circuit. Isn't this similar to a light switch?
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If electricity is banned on shabbat, how does a person deal with the problem of the body being a conductor? When I hold a person's hands, it creates a circuit. If I let go of their hands then I have just broke the circuit. Isn't this similar to a light switch?
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I don't understand. Can you edit in an explanation (or a link to one) of why you think this closes a circuit? Certainly I don't feel any shock when I join hands with someone.
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-1 To turn it into a real question you must provide sources for the Halachic definition of an electric circle. And what exactly is banned on Shabbos.
– Al Berko
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B"H amazing question @Untitled. Electricity is not only present in living things but in/on everything in nature, if I'm not mistaken. ... But please correct me if I'm wrong -- Isn't most of this static, not current electricity?
– SAH
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@Untitled also there is such a concept in rabbinical prohibitions for Shabbos that if you don't intend for an outcome AND it's not inevitable (such as creating a circuit from a handshake [??]), you can do it... check with your lor but yeah
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If electricity is banned on shabbat, how does a person deal with the problem of the body being a conductor? When I hold a person's hands, it creates a circuit. If I let go of their hands then I have just broke the circuit. Isn't this similar to a light switch?
shabbat electricity
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If electricity is banned on shabbat, how does a person deal with the problem of the body being a conductor? When I hold a person's hands, it creates a circuit. If I let go of their hands then I have just broke the circuit. Isn't this similar to a light switch?
shabbat electricity
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I don't understand. Can you edit in an explanation (or a link to one) of why you think this closes a circuit? Certainly I don't feel any shock when I join hands with someone.
– msh210♦
3 hours ago
-1 To turn it into a real question you must provide sources for the Halachic definition of an electric circle. And what exactly is banned on Shabbos.
– Al Berko
2 hours ago
B"H amazing question @Untitled. Electricity is not only present in living things but in/on everything in nature, if I'm not mistaken. ... But please correct me if I'm wrong -- Isn't most of this static, not current electricity?
– SAH
11 mins ago
@Untitled also there is such a concept in rabbinical prohibitions for Shabbos that if you don't intend for an outcome AND it's not inevitable (such as creating a circuit from a handshake [??]), you can do it... check with your lor but yeah
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I don't understand. Can you edit in an explanation (or a link to one) of why you think this closes a circuit? Certainly I don't feel any shock when I join hands with someone.
– msh210♦
3 hours ago
-1 To turn it into a real question you must provide sources for the Halachic definition of an electric circle. And what exactly is banned on Shabbos.
– Al Berko
2 hours ago
B"H amazing question @Untitled. Electricity is not only present in living things but in/on everything in nature, if I'm not mistaken. ... But please correct me if I'm wrong -- Isn't most of this static, not current electricity?
– SAH
11 mins ago
@Untitled also there is such a concept in rabbinical prohibitions for Shabbos that if you don't intend for an outcome AND it's not inevitable (such as creating a circuit from a handshake [??]), you can do it... check with your lor but yeah
– SAH
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I don't understand. Can you edit in an explanation (or a link to one) of why you think this closes a circuit? Certainly I don't feel any shock when I join hands with someone.
– msh210♦
3 hours ago
I don't understand. Can you edit in an explanation (or a link to one) of why you think this closes a circuit? Certainly I don't feel any shock when I join hands with someone.
– msh210♦
3 hours ago
-1 To turn it into a real question you must provide sources for the Halachic definition of an electric circle. And what exactly is banned on Shabbos.
– Al Berko
2 hours ago
-1 To turn it into a real question you must provide sources for the Halachic definition of an electric circle. And what exactly is banned on Shabbos.
– Al Berko
2 hours ago
B"H amazing question @Untitled. Electricity is not only present in living things but in/on everything in nature, if I'm not mistaken. ... But please correct me if I'm wrong -- Isn't most of this static, not current electricity?
– SAH
11 mins ago
B"H amazing question @Untitled. Electricity is not only present in living things but in/on everything in nature, if I'm not mistaken. ... But please correct me if I'm wrong -- Isn't most of this static, not current electricity?
– SAH
11 mins ago
@Untitled also there is such a concept in rabbinical prohibitions for Shabbos that if you don't intend for an outcome AND it's not inevitable (such as creating a circuit from a handshake [??]), you can do it... check with your lor but yeah
– SAH
5 mins ago
@Untitled also there is such a concept in rabbinical prohibitions for Shabbos that if you don't intend for an outcome AND it's not inevitable (such as creating a circuit from a handshake [??]), you can do it... check with your lor but yeah
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The body is not a good conductor of electricity, it would be considered an insulator. However, even with a high voltage you can pass electrical current through anything, this is called dielectric breakdown. I doubt this is what was meant by electricity, and certainly doesn't happen when you join hands with someone.
As an aside, elections are continuously moving through your body, as are other charged particles, like ions which are primarily responsible for neuron function in a body's nervous system.
Halachic electricity would only be an issue regarding man made electricity e.g. battery, mains electricity, etc. And could include several issurim including igniting a fire, 'final hammer blow', molid, etc.
However, if it were even an issue, bodily 'electricity' is certainly something unavoidable and a דבר ש×Âינו מתכוון, and would therefore be allowed.
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Static electricity and the small amounts of energy created through human contact are not considered a problem.
Tzitz Eliezer 7:10 writes that there is no problem because the static
makes no real impact in that small amount of time, there is no
precedent for this type of electricity in the times of the mishkan,
and this type of electricity cannot start a fire at all.
So this all ultimately ties back to Mavir or (igniting) and how we are forbidden from igniting a flame during Shabbat.
While a person can benefit from fire or electricity which was started before Shabbat, we cannot make or extinguish a flame on Shabbat and we cannot feed a flame on shabbat.
A spark plug igniting the engine of a car being a real world example.
Because the level of power being produced in static touch is at such a low level and the existence of that static is for such a short period of time, it isn't considered a violation as it doesn't leave any detectable impact.
It only becomes Halachically problematic when it can create a real fire which can burn. It all ties back to being forbidden from producing a fire on Shabbat.
Lets compare this to your example of the light switch.
The amount of power being produced in that light switch is above and beyond the underlying levels we experience when we touch hands with a friend or family member. While humans can certainly create circuits which pass a charge between us, we aren't creating a charge which can produce something like fire.
Even something like a battery is producing a greater charge of electricity than any humans do with a handshake.
In fact, some survivalists actually carry a few batteries and steel wool in their survival kits because they can use them to produce a quick spark for starting a fire. (YouTube)
This is simply from a battery and even that is above and beyond what we produce through touch.
Humans can't produce such things by touching hands or putting on a wool sweater/coat. It's not something we need to worry about on Shabbat.
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The body is not a good conductor of electricity, it would be considered an insulator. However, even with a high voltage you can pass electrical current through anything, this is called dielectric breakdown. I doubt this is what was meant by electricity, and certainly doesn't happen when you join hands with someone.
As an aside, elections are continuously moving through your body, as are other charged particles, like ions which are primarily responsible for neuron function in a body's nervous system.
Halachic electricity would only be an issue regarding man made electricity e.g. battery, mains electricity, etc. And could include several issurim including igniting a fire, 'final hammer blow', molid, etc.
However, if it were even an issue, bodily 'electricity' is certainly something unavoidable and a דבר ש×Âינו מתכוון, and would therefore be allowed.
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The body is not a good conductor of electricity, it would be considered an insulator. However, even with a high voltage you can pass electrical current through anything, this is called dielectric breakdown. I doubt this is what was meant by electricity, and certainly doesn't happen when you join hands with someone.
As an aside, elections are continuously moving through your body, as are other charged particles, like ions which are primarily responsible for neuron function in a body's nervous system.
Halachic electricity would only be an issue regarding man made electricity e.g. battery, mains electricity, etc. And could include several issurim including igniting a fire, 'final hammer blow', molid, etc.
However, if it were even an issue, bodily 'electricity' is certainly something unavoidable and a דבר ש×Âינו מתכוון, and would therefore be allowed.
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The body is not a good conductor of electricity, it would be considered an insulator. However, even with a high voltage you can pass electrical current through anything, this is called dielectric breakdown. I doubt this is what was meant by electricity, and certainly doesn't happen when you join hands with someone.
As an aside, elections are continuously moving through your body, as are other charged particles, like ions which are primarily responsible for neuron function in a body's nervous system.
Halachic electricity would only be an issue regarding man made electricity e.g. battery, mains electricity, etc. And could include several issurim including igniting a fire, 'final hammer blow', molid, etc.
However, if it were even an issue, bodily 'electricity' is certainly something unavoidable and a דבר ש×Âינו מתכוון, and would therefore be allowed.
answered 3 hours ago
bondonk
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The body is not a good conductor of electricity, it would be considered an insulator. However, even with a high voltage you can pass electrical current through anything, this is called dielectric breakdown. I doubt this is what was meant by electricity, and certainly doesn't happen when you join hands with someone.
As an aside, elections are continuously moving through your body, as are other charged particles, like ions which are primarily responsible for neuron function in a body's nervous system.
Halachic electricity would only be an issue regarding man made electricity e.g. battery, mains electricity, etc. And could include several issurim including igniting a fire, 'final hammer blow', molid, etc.
However, if it were even an issue, bodily 'electricity' is certainly something unavoidable and a דבר ש×Âינו מתכוון, and would therefore be allowed.
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Static electricity and the small amounts of energy created through human contact are not considered a problem.
Tzitz Eliezer 7:10 writes that there is no problem because the static
makes no real impact in that small amount of time, there is no
precedent for this type of electricity in the times of the mishkan,
and this type of electricity cannot start a fire at all.
So this all ultimately ties back to Mavir or (igniting) and how we are forbidden from igniting a flame during Shabbat.
While a person can benefit from fire or electricity which was started before Shabbat, we cannot make or extinguish a flame on Shabbat and we cannot feed a flame on shabbat.
A spark plug igniting the engine of a car being a real world example.
Because the level of power being produced in static touch is at such a low level and the existence of that static is for such a short period of time, it isn't considered a violation as it doesn't leave any detectable impact.
It only becomes Halachically problematic when it can create a real fire which can burn. It all ties back to being forbidden from producing a fire on Shabbat.
Lets compare this to your example of the light switch.
The amount of power being produced in that light switch is above and beyond the underlying levels we experience when we touch hands with a friend or family member. While humans can certainly create circuits which pass a charge between us, we aren't creating a charge which can produce something like fire.
Even something like a battery is producing a greater charge of electricity than any humans do with a handshake.
In fact, some survivalists actually carry a few batteries and steel wool in their survival kits because they can use them to produce a quick spark for starting a fire. (YouTube)
This is simply from a battery and even that is above and beyond what we produce through touch.
Humans can't produce such things by touching hands or putting on a wool sweater/coat. It's not something we need to worry about on Shabbat.
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Static electricity and the small amounts of energy created through human contact are not considered a problem.
Tzitz Eliezer 7:10 writes that there is no problem because the static
makes no real impact in that small amount of time, there is no
precedent for this type of electricity in the times of the mishkan,
and this type of electricity cannot start a fire at all.
So this all ultimately ties back to Mavir or (igniting) and how we are forbidden from igniting a flame during Shabbat.
While a person can benefit from fire or electricity which was started before Shabbat, we cannot make or extinguish a flame on Shabbat and we cannot feed a flame on shabbat.
A spark plug igniting the engine of a car being a real world example.
Because the level of power being produced in static touch is at such a low level and the existence of that static is for such a short period of time, it isn't considered a violation as it doesn't leave any detectable impact.
It only becomes Halachically problematic when it can create a real fire which can burn. It all ties back to being forbidden from producing a fire on Shabbat.
Lets compare this to your example of the light switch.
The amount of power being produced in that light switch is above and beyond the underlying levels we experience when we touch hands with a friend or family member. While humans can certainly create circuits which pass a charge between us, we aren't creating a charge which can produce something like fire.
Even something like a battery is producing a greater charge of electricity than any humans do with a handshake.
In fact, some survivalists actually carry a few batteries and steel wool in their survival kits because they can use them to produce a quick spark for starting a fire. (YouTube)
This is simply from a battery and even that is above and beyond what we produce through touch.
Humans can't produce such things by touching hands or putting on a wool sweater/coat. It's not something we need to worry about on Shabbat.
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Static electricity and the small amounts of energy created through human contact are not considered a problem.
Tzitz Eliezer 7:10 writes that there is no problem because the static
makes no real impact in that small amount of time, there is no
precedent for this type of electricity in the times of the mishkan,
and this type of electricity cannot start a fire at all.
So this all ultimately ties back to Mavir or (igniting) and how we are forbidden from igniting a flame during Shabbat.
While a person can benefit from fire or electricity which was started before Shabbat, we cannot make or extinguish a flame on Shabbat and we cannot feed a flame on shabbat.
A spark plug igniting the engine of a car being a real world example.
Because the level of power being produced in static touch is at such a low level and the existence of that static is for such a short period of time, it isn't considered a violation as it doesn't leave any detectable impact.
It only becomes Halachically problematic when it can create a real fire which can burn. It all ties back to being forbidden from producing a fire on Shabbat.
Lets compare this to your example of the light switch.
The amount of power being produced in that light switch is above and beyond the underlying levels we experience when we touch hands with a friend or family member. While humans can certainly create circuits which pass a charge between us, we aren't creating a charge which can produce something like fire.
Even something like a battery is producing a greater charge of electricity than any humans do with a handshake.
In fact, some survivalists actually carry a few batteries and steel wool in their survival kits because they can use them to produce a quick spark for starting a fire. (YouTube)
This is simply from a battery and even that is above and beyond what we produce through touch.
Humans can't produce such things by touching hands or putting on a wool sweater/coat. It's not something we need to worry about on Shabbat.
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Static electricity and the small amounts of energy created through human contact are not considered a problem.
Tzitz Eliezer 7:10 writes that there is no problem because the static
makes no real impact in that small amount of time, there is no
precedent for this type of electricity in the times of the mishkan,
and this type of electricity cannot start a fire at all.
So this all ultimately ties back to Mavir or (igniting) and how we are forbidden from igniting a flame during Shabbat.
While a person can benefit from fire or electricity which was started before Shabbat, we cannot make or extinguish a flame on Shabbat and we cannot feed a flame on shabbat.
A spark plug igniting the engine of a car being a real world example.
Because the level of power being produced in static touch is at such a low level and the existence of that static is for such a short period of time, it isn't considered a violation as it doesn't leave any detectable impact.
It only becomes Halachically problematic when it can create a real fire which can burn. It all ties back to being forbidden from producing a fire on Shabbat.
Lets compare this to your example of the light switch.
The amount of power being produced in that light switch is above and beyond the underlying levels we experience when we touch hands with a friend or family member. While humans can certainly create circuits which pass a charge between us, we aren't creating a charge which can produce something like fire.
Even something like a battery is producing a greater charge of electricity than any humans do with a handshake.
In fact, some survivalists actually carry a few batteries and steel wool in their survival kits because they can use them to produce a quick spark for starting a fire. (YouTube)
This is simply from a battery and even that is above and beyond what we produce through touch.
Humans can't produce such things by touching hands or putting on a wool sweater/coat. It's not something we need to worry about on Shabbat.
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I don't understand. Can you edit in an explanation (or a link to one) of why you think this closes a circuit? Certainly I don't feel any shock when I join hands with someone.
– msh210♦
3 hours ago
-1 To turn it into a real question you must provide sources for the Halachic definition of an electric circle. And what exactly is banned on Shabbos.
– Al Berko
2 hours ago
B"H amazing question @Untitled. Electricity is not only present in living things but in/on everything in nature, if I'm not mistaken. ... But please correct me if I'm wrong -- Isn't most of this static, not current electricity?
– SAH
11 mins ago
@Untitled also there is such a concept in rabbinical prohibitions for Shabbos that if you don't intend for an outcome AND it's not inevitable (such as creating a circuit from a handshake [??]), you can do it... check with your lor but yeah
– SAH
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