Do you apply double Proficiency from Expertise on top of normal Proficiency?

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So I am playing D&D 5e with a lvl 1 Elven Rogue as my character. I'm confused about expertise for my Perception.
My wisdom is 13, so my modifier is +1. Which makes my Perception 1.



But as an elf, you get a proficiency bonus (+2) on Perception. So now my perception is 3.



But with expertise, you are proficient, and you double that proficiency. So does that mean I am 3+2=5, or am I 3+4=7? I remember reading somewhere that you can't apply your proficiency bonus twice for one roll, but can you add a race and expertise bonus to the same roll?






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So I am playing D&D 5e with a lvl 1 Elven Rogue as my character. I'm confused about expertise for my Perception.
My wisdom is 13, so my modifier is +1. Which makes my Perception 1.



But as an elf, you get a proficiency bonus (+2) on Perception. So now my perception is 3.



But with expertise, you are proficient, and you double that proficiency. So does that mean I am 3+2=5, or am I 3+4=7? I remember reading somewhere that you can't apply your proficiency bonus twice for one roll, but can you add a race and expertise bonus to the same roll?






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So I am playing D&D 5e with a lvl 1 Elven Rogue as my character. I'm confused about expertise for my Perception.
My wisdom is 13, so my modifier is +1. Which makes my Perception 1.



But as an elf, you get a proficiency bonus (+2) on Perception. So now my perception is 3.



But with expertise, you are proficient, and you double that proficiency. So does that mean I am 3+2=5, or am I 3+4=7? I remember reading somewhere that you can't apply your proficiency bonus twice for one roll, but can you add a race and expertise bonus to the same roll?






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So I am playing D&D 5e with a lvl 1 Elven Rogue as my character. I'm confused about expertise for my Perception.
My wisdom is 13, so my modifier is +1. Which makes my Perception 1.



But as an elf, you get a proficiency bonus (+2) on Perception. So now my perception is 3.



But with expertise, you are proficient, and you double that proficiency. So does that mean I am 3+2=5, or am I 3+4=7? I remember reading somewhere that you can't apply your proficiency bonus twice for one roll, but can you add a race and expertise bonus to the same roll?






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Hi Ollie, welcome to the site. Take the tour to get your first badge.
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Your question doesn't really seem related to roll20, so I've removed the tag.
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Expertise doesn't add a bonus, it doubles the bonus that you're getting for being proficient. So rather than thinking of it as 1+2+2, think of it as 1+(2×2). Also note that as you gain levels your proficiency bonus will go up slowly, so at level 5, it will become 1+(3×2).






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    It might be worth quoting the feature description of Expertise to support your point, as well as the rules section on proficiency bonuses that specifies that it can only be added only once and multiplied once (at most). You can't add your proficiency bonus to something multiple times, and you can't double it twice or more.
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Expertise doesn't add a bonus, it doubles the bonus that you're getting for being proficient. So rather than thinking of it as 1+2+2, think of it as 1+(2×2). Also note that as you gain levels your proficiency bonus will go up slowly, so at level 5, it will become 1+(3×2).






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    It might be worth quoting the feature description of Expertise to support your point, as well as the rules section on proficiency bonuses that specifies that it can only be added only once and multiplied once (at most). You can't add your proficiency bonus to something multiple times, and you can't double it twice or more.
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Expertise doesn't add a bonus, it doubles the bonus that you're getting for being proficient. So rather than thinking of it as 1+2+2, think of it as 1+(2×2). Also note that as you gain levels your proficiency bonus will go up slowly, so at level 5, it will become 1+(3×2).






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    It might be worth quoting the feature description of Expertise to support your point, as well as the rules section on proficiency bonuses that specifies that it can only be added only once and multiplied once (at most). You can't add your proficiency bonus to something multiple times, and you can't double it twice or more.
    – V2Blast
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Expertise doesn't add a bonus, it doubles the bonus that you're getting for being proficient. So rather than thinking of it as 1+2+2, think of it as 1+(2×2). Also note that as you gain levels your proficiency bonus will go up slowly, so at level 5, it will become 1+(3×2).






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Expertise doesn't add a bonus, it doubles the bonus that you're getting for being proficient. So rather than thinking of it as 1+2+2, think of it as 1+(2×2). Also note that as you gain levels your proficiency bonus will go up slowly, so at level 5, it will become 1+(3×2).







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    It might be worth quoting the feature description of Expertise to support your point, as well as the rules section on proficiency bonuses that specifies that it can only be added only once and multiplied once (at most). You can't add your proficiency bonus to something multiple times, and you can't double it twice or more.
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    It might be worth quoting the feature description of Expertise to support your point, as well as the rules section on proficiency bonuses that specifies that it can only be added only once and multiplied once (at most). You can't add your proficiency bonus to something multiple times, and you can't double it twice or more.
    – V2Blast
    12 hours ago








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It might be worth quoting the feature description of Expertise to support your point, as well as the rules section on proficiency bonuses that specifies that it can only be added only once and multiplied once (at most). You can't add your proficiency bonus to something multiple times, and you can't double it twice or more.
– V2Blast
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It might be worth quoting the feature description of Expertise to support your point, as well as the rules section on proficiency bonuses that specifies that it can only be added only once and multiplied once (at most). You can't add your proficiency bonus to something multiple times, and you can't double it twice or more.
– V2Blast
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