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Would it be considered treason to help plan the movement of a migrant caravan to the border?
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Stefan Molyneaux, on Twitter, said:
If even one American is found to be one of the forces behind the Honduran ‘caravan,’ that’s straight up treason.
He is referring to the migrant caravan that originated in Honduras and that is currently on its way to the United States border.
Now, I know that Molyneaux is not a law expert and that he was not educated in the legal profession. I also know that Molyneaux is intending to be provocative and probably doesn't care much whether what he says has any legal logic. (On a personal note: I think that most of what Molyneaux says is nonsense) Despite all of this, what he said still made me wonder if there is any merit to his claim.
According to Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
Would helping to plan the caravan be "..adhering to [the United States's] enemies, giving them aid and comfort"? Under Article III, Section 3, could the act of aiding the caravan be considered treason?
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Stefan Molyneaux, on Twitter, said:
If even one American is found to be one of the forces behind the Honduran ‘caravan,’ that’s straight up treason.
He is referring to the migrant caravan that originated in Honduras and that is currently on its way to the United States border.
Now, I know that Molyneaux is not a law expert and that he was not educated in the legal profession. I also know that Molyneaux is intending to be provocative and probably doesn't care much whether what he says has any legal logic. (On a personal note: I think that most of what Molyneaux says is nonsense) Despite all of this, what he said still made me wonder if there is any merit to his claim.
According to Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
Would helping to plan the caravan be "..adhering to [the United States's] enemies, giving them aid and comfort"? Under Article III, Section 3, could the act of aiding the caravan be considered treason?
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Stefan Molyneaux, on Twitter, said:
If even one American is found to be one of the forces behind the Honduran ‘caravan,’ that’s straight up treason.
He is referring to the migrant caravan that originated in Honduras and that is currently on its way to the United States border.
Now, I know that Molyneaux is not a law expert and that he was not educated in the legal profession. I also know that Molyneaux is intending to be provocative and probably doesn't care much whether what he says has any legal logic. (On a personal note: I think that most of what Molyneaux says is nonsense) Despite all of this, what he said still made me wonder if there is any merit to his claim.
According to Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
Would helping to plan the caravan be "..adhering to [the United States's] enemies, giving them aid and comfort"? Under Article III, Section 3, could the act of aiding the caravan be considered treason?
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Stefan Molyneaux, on Twitter, said:
If even one American is found to be one of the forces behind the Honduran ‘caravan,’ that’s straight up treason.
He is referring to the migrant caravan that originated in Honduras and that is currently on its way to the United States border.
Now, I know that Molyneaux is not a law expert and that he was not educated in the legal profession. I also know that Molyneaux is intending to be provocative and probably doesn't care much whether what he says has any legal logic. (On a personal note: I think that most of what Molyneaux says is nonsense) Despite all of this, what he said still made me wonder if there is any merit to his claim.
According to Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
Would helping to plan the caravan be "..adhering to [the United States's] enemies, giving them aid and comfort"? Under Article III, Section 3, could the act of aiding the caravan be considered treason?
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If you read some background on Stefan Molyneux (Wikipedia), you would understand that he is a (Canadian) right-wing provocateur (Merriam-Webster) and there is no legal logic to his claim that anyone involved with the migrant caravan is committing an act of treason.
Provocateurs - on the political left or right - seek to incite arguments and/or movements on social or political issues with emotion and not on legal frameworks or logical discussion.
The migrants are hardly levying war against them (the US), or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.... None of the countries the migrants are from are enemies of the US; none of them are sufficiently armed to take on any armed forces of the US; the refugees are easily identified as economic or political refugees; there is no clear proof of an ulterior motive or funding for the migrants and the caravan; and according to Refugee law (Wikipedia), they have a right to due process at the border.
answered 4 hours ago
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I gave legal reasons - not political reasons - why there is no merit to his arguments. It sounds like you are more interested in the political background of what he said; that's a better fit for politics.stackexchange.com
– BlueDogRanch
4 hours ago
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Agreed. Also, "enemy" in the sense of the treason clause means a country or organization with which the United States is at war or in active armed hostilities with, something that does not remotely encompass a group of unarmed migrants who purport to be refugees from Central American countries with whom the U.S. is not at war and has not been in armed hostilities with for many decades.
– ohwilleke
4 hours ago
TLDR: Molyneux is a gasbag and his statements are complete nonsense.
– Nij
2 hours ago
I agree that his statements are nonsense. I just wanted to know if what he said had any merit. I find it helpful to know how to combat arguments I disagree with.
– Darien Springer
57 mins ago
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If you read some background on Stefan Molyneux (Wikipedia), you would understand that he is a (Canadian) right-wing provocateur (Merriam-Webster) and there is no legal logic to his claim that anyone involved with the migrant caravan is committing an act of treason.
Provocateurs - on the political left or right - seek to incite arguments and/or movements on social or political issues with emotion and not on legal frameworks or logical discussion.
The migrants are hardly levying war against them (the US), or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.... None of the countries the migrants are from are enemies of the US; none of them are sufficiently armed to take on any armed forces of the US; the refugees are easily identified as economic or political refugees; there is no clear proof of an ulterior motive or funding for the migrants and the caravan; and according to Refugee law (Wikipedia), they have a right to due process at the border.
answered 4 hours ago
BlueDogRanch
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I gave legal reasons - not political reasons - why there is no merit to his arguments. It sounds like you are more interested in the political background of what he said; that's a better fit for politics.stackexchange.com
– BlueDogRanch
4 hours ago
2
Agreed. Also, "enemy" in the sense of the treason clause means a country or organization with which the United States is at war or in active armed hostilities with, something that does not remotely encompass a group of unarmed migrants who purport to be refugees from Central American countries with whom the U.S. is not at war and has not been in armed hostilities with for many decades.
– ohwilleke
4 hours ago
TLDR: Molyneux is a gasbag and his statements are complete nonsense.
– Nij
2 hours ago
I agree that his statements are nonsense. I just wanted to know if what he said had any merit. I find it helpful to know how to combat arguments I disagree with.
– Darien Springer
57 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
If you read some background on Stefan Molyneux (Wikipedia), you would understand that he is a (Canadian) right-wing provocateur (Merriam-Webster) and there is no legal logic to his claim that anyone involved with the migrant caravan is committing an act of treason.
Provocateurs - on the political left or right - seek to incite arguments and/or movements on social or political issues with emotion and not on legal frameworks or logical discussion.
The migrants are hardly levying war against them (the US), or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.... None of the countries the migrants are from are enemies of the US; none of them are sufficiently armed to take on any armed forces of the US; the refugees are easily identified as economic or political refugees; there is no clear proof of an ulterior motive or funding for the migrants and the caravan; and according to Refugee law (Wikipedia), they have a right to due process at the border.
answered 4 hours ago
BlueDogRanch
7,90121333
1
I gave legal reasons - not political reasons - why there is no merit to his arguments. It sounds like you are more interested in the political background of what he said; that's a better fit for politics.stackexchange.com
– BlueDogRanch
4 hours ago
2
Agreed. Also, "enemy" in the sense of the treason clause means a country or organization with which the United States is at war or in active armed hostilities with, something that does not remotely encompass a group of unarmed migrants who purport to be refugees from Central American countries with whom the U.S. is not at war and has not been in armed hostilities with for many decades.
– ohwilleke
4 hours ago
TLDR: Molyneux is a gasbag and his statements are complete nonsense.
– Nij
2 hours ago
I agree that his statements are nonsense. I just wanted to know if what he said had any merit. I find it helpful to know how to combat arguments I disagree with.
– Darien Springer
57 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
If you read some background on Stefan Molyneux (Wikipedia), you would understand that he is a (Canadian) right-wing provocateur (Merriam-Webster) and there is no legal logic to his claim that anyone involved with the migrant caravan is committing an act of treason.
Provocateurs - on the political left or right - seek to incite arguments and/or movements on social or political issues with emotion and not on legal frameworks or logical discussion.
The migrants are hardly levying war against them (the US), or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.... None of the countries the migrants are from are enemies of the US; none of them are sufficiently armed to take on any armed forces of the US; the refugees are easily identified as economic or political refugees; there is no clear proof of an ulterior motive or funding for the migrants and the caravan; and according to Refugee law (Wikipedia), they have a right to due process at the border.
answered 4 hours ago
BlueDogRanch
7,90121333
If you read some background on Stefan Molyneux (Wikipedia), you would understand that he is a (Canadian) right-wing provocateur (Merriam-Webster) and there is no legal logic to his claim that anyone involved with the migrant caravan is committing an act of treason.
Provocateurs - on the political left or right - seek to incite arguments and/or movements on social or political issues with emotion and not on legal frameworks or logical discussion.
The migrants are hardly levying war against them (the US), or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.... None of the countries the migrants are from are enemies of the US; none of them are sufficiently armed to take on any armed forces of the US; the refugees are easily identified as economic or political refugees; there is no clear proof of an ulterior motive or funding for the migrants and the caravan; and according to Refugee law (Wikipedia), they have a right to due process at the border.
answered 4 hours ago
BlueDogRanch
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edited 4 hours ago
answered 4 hours ago
BlueDogRanch
7,90121333
answered 4 hours ago
BlueDogRanch
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answered 4 hours ago
BlueDogRanch
7,90121333
7,90121333
1
I gave legal reasons - not political reasons - why there is no merit to his arguments. It sounds like you are more interested in the political background of what he said; that's a better fit for politics.stackexchange.com
– BlueDogRanch
4 hours ago
2
Agreed. Also, "enemy" in the sense of the treason clause means a country or organization with which the United States is at war or in active armed hostilities with, something that does not remotely encompass a group of unarmed migrants who purport to be refugees from Central American countries with whom the U.S. is not at war and has not been in armed hostilities with for many decades.
– ohwilleke
4 hours ago
TLDR: Molyneux is a gasbag and his statements are complete nonsense.
– Nij
2 hours ago
I agree that his statements are nonsense. I just wanted to know if what he said had any merit. I find it helpful to know how to combat arguments I disagree with.
– Darien Springer
57 mins ago
add a comment |Â
1
I gave legal reasons - not political reasons - why there is no merit to his arguments. It sounds like you are more interested in the political background of what he said; that's a better fit for politics.stackexchange.com
– BlueDogRanch
4 hours ago
2
Agreed. Also, "enemy" in the sense of the treason clause means a country or organization with which the United States is at war or in active armed hostilities with, something that does not remotely encompass a group of unarmed migrants who purport to be refugees from Central American countries with whom the U.S. is not at war and has not been in armed hostilities with for many decades.
– ohwilleke
4 hours ago
TLDR: Molyneux is a gasbag and his statements are complete nonsense.
– Nij
2 hours ago
I agree that his statements are nonsense. I just wanted to know if what he said had any merit. I find it helpful to know how to combat arguments I disagree with.
– Darien Springer
57 mins ago
1
1
I gave legal reasons - not political reasons - why there is no merit to his arguments. It sounds like you are more interested in the political background of what he said; that's a better fit for politics.stackexchange.com
– BlueDogRanch
4 hours ago
I gave legal reasons - not political reasons - why there is no merit to his arguments. It sounds like you are more interested in the political background of what he said; that's a better fit for politics.stackexchange.com
– BlueDogRanch
4 hours ago
2
2
Agreed. Also, "enemy" in the sense of the treason clause means a country or organization with which the United States is at war or in active armed hostilities with, something that does not remotely encompass a group of unarmed migrants who purport to be refugees from Central American countries with whom the U.S. is not at war and has not been in armed hostilities with for many decades.
– ohwilleke
4 hours ago
Agreed. Also, "enemy" in the sense of the treason clause means a country or organization with which the United States is at war or in active armed hostilities with, something that does not remotely encompass a group of unarmed migrants who purport to be refugees from Central American countries with whom the U.S. is not at war and has not been in armed hostilities with for many decades.
– ohwilleke
4 hours ago
TLDR: Molyneux is a gasbag and his statements are complete nonsense.
– Nij
2 hours ago
TLDR: Molyneux is a gasbag and his statements are complete nonsense.
– Nij
2 hours ago
I agree that his statements are nonsense. I just wanted to know if what he said had any merit. I find it helpful to know how to combat arguments I disagree with.
– Darien Springer
57 mins ago
I agree that his statements are nonsense. I just wanted to know if what he said had any merit. I find it helpful to know how to combat arguments I disagree with.
– Darien Springer
57 mins ago
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