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If I touch a piece with my forearm by accident, can my opponent call touch-move?
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- If I touch a piece with my forearm by accident, can my opponent call touch-move?
- If the answer is "no", what if after my opponent calls touch-move, I believe him and move the touch piece before calling the arbiter - can I take it back?
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- If I touch a piece with my forearm by accident, can my opponent call touch-move?
- If the answer is "no", what if after my opponent calls touch-move, I believe him and move the touch piece before calling the arbiter - can I take it back?
rules
edited 14 mins ago
Andrew T.
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asked 8 hours ago
Allure
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Possible duplicate of If I accidentally knock over a rook with my elbow while reaching for another piece, do I have to move the rook?
– Dag Oskar Madsen
2 hours ago
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up vote
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up vote
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down vote
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- If I touch a piece with my forearm by accident, can my opponent call touch-move?
- If the answer is "no", what if after my opponent calls touch-move, I believe him and move the touch piece before calling the arbiter - can I take it back?
rules
edited 14 mins ago
Andrew T.
1114
asked 8 hours ago
Allure
40512
- If I touch a piece with my forearm by accident, can my opponent call touch-move?
- If the answer is "no", what if after my opponent calls touch-move, I believe him and move the touch piece before calling the arbiter - can I take it back?
rules
rules
edited 14 mins ago
Andrew T.
1114
asked 8 hours ago
Allure
40512
edited 14 mins ago
Andrew T.
1114
asked 8 hours ago
Allure
40512
edited 14 mins ago
Andrew T.
1114
edited 14 mins ago
Andrew T.
1114
edited 14 mins ago
Andrew T.
1114
1114
asked 8 hours ago
Allure
40512
asked 8 hours ago
Allure
40512
asked 8 hours ago
Allure
40512
40512
2
Possible duplicate of If I accidentally knock over a rook with my elbow while reaching for another piece, do I have to move the rook?
– Dag Oskar Madsen
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
2
Possible duplicate of If I accidentally knock over a rook with my elbow while reaching for another piece, do I have to move the rook?
– Dag Oskar Madsen
2 hours ago
2
2
Possible duplicate of If I accidentally knock over a rook with my elbow while reaching for another piece, do I have to move the rook?
– Dag Oskar Madsen
2 hours ago
Possible duplicate of If I accidentally knock over a rook with my elbow while reaching for another piece, do I have to move the rook?
– Dag Oskar Madsen
2 hours ago
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According to the 2018 FIDE Laws of Chess (emphasis mine):
4.2.1 Only the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares,
provided that he first expresses his intention (for example by saying “j’adoube†or “I
adjustâ€Â).
4.2.2 Any other physical contact with a piece, except for clearly accidental contact, shall be considered to be intent.
4.3 Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move touches on the
chessboard, with the intention of moving or capturing:
4.3.1 one or more of his own pieces, he must move the first piece touched that can be moved
Touching with a forearm seems to be "clearly accidental contact", so it shouldn't trigger the touch move rules.
In the scenario where you move the piece because your opponent said you must, and then want to take it back, it's less clear. You generally cannot take back moves (and, if you've moved, then obviously you have now touched the piece with the intent of moving it.) However, your opponent has acted inappropriately; at the very least they've distracted you during your move. It's possible the arbiter would give some sort of penalty for this, especially if your opponent knew touch-move didn't really apply. You should summon the arbiter as soon as possible to get a ruling.
answered 8 hours ago
D M
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Answer is correct - its definitely not a touch move, but I would add that any tournament higher than club internal you would definitely not be allowed tacking back your move - as it was explained - you should believe arbiter not opponent, in kids tournament there are popular cases when one says checkmate when its actually not, but if opponent believes, accepts it - the game is lost; same here - reasons does not really matter, if you moved, if you resigned - it's done.
– Drako
5 hours ago
In your local club were just friends playing - arbiter(senior club member) could explain and allow taking back if opponent would agree
– Drako
5 hours ago
add a comment |Â
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
15
down vote
accepted
According to the 2018 FIDE Laws of Chess (emphasis mine):
4.2.1 Only the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares,
provided that he first expresses his intention (for example by saying “j’adoube†or “I
adjustâ€Â).
4.2.2 Any other physical contact with a piece, except for clearly accidental contact, shall be considered to be intent.
4.3 Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move touches on the
chessboard, with the intention of moving or capturing:
4.3.1 one or more of his own pieces, he must move the first piece touched that can be moved
Touching with a forearm seems to be "clearly accidental contact", so it shouldn't trigger the touch move rules.
In the scenario where you move the piece because your opponent said you must, and then want to take it back, it's less clear. You generally cannot take back moves (and, if you've moved, then obviously you have now touched the piece with the intent of moving it.) However, your opponent has acted inappropriately; at the very least they've distracted you during your move. It's possible the arbiter would give some sort of penalty for this, especially if your opponent knew touch-move didn't really apply. You should summon the arbiter as soon as possible to get a ruling.
answered 8 hours ago
D M
3,372929
Answer is correct - its definitely not a touch move, but I would add that any tournament higher than club internal you would definitely not be allowed tacking back your move - as it was explained - you should believe arbiter not opponent, in kids tournament there are popular cases when one says checkmate when its actually not, but if opponent believes, accepts it - the game is lost; same here - reasons does not really matter, if you moved, if you resigned - it's done.
– Drako
5 hours ago
In your local club were just friends playing - arbiter(senior club member) could explain and allow taking back if opponent would agree
– Drako
5 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
15
down vote
accepted
According to the 2018 FIDE Laws of Chess (emphasis mine):
4.2.1 Only the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares,
provided that he first expresses his intention (for example by saying “j’adoube†or “I
adjustâ€Â).
4.2.2 Any other physical contact with a piece, except for clearly accidental contact, shall be considered to be intent.
4.3 Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move touches on the
chessboard, with the intention of moving or capturing:
4.3.1 one or more of his own pieces, he must move the first piece touched that can be moved
Touching with a forearm seems to be "clearly accidental contact", so it shouldn't trigger the touch move rules.
In the scenario where you move the piece because your opponent said you must, and then want to take it back, it's less clear. You generally cannot take back moves (and, if you've moved, then obviously you have now touched the piece with the intent of moving it.) However, your opponent has acted inappropriately; at the very least they've distracted you during your move. It's possible the arbiter would give some sort of penalty for this, especially if your opponent knew touch-move didn't really apply. You should summon the arbiter as soon as possible to get a ruling.
answered 8 hours ago
D M
3,372929
Answer is correct - its definitely not a touch move, but I would add that any tournament higher than club internal you would definitely not be allowed tacking back your move - as it was explained - you should believe arbiter not opponent, in kids tournament there are popular cases when one says checkmate when its actually not, but if opponent believes, accepts it - the game is lost; same here - reasons does not really matter, if you moved, if you resigned - it's done.
– Drako
5 hours ago
In your local club were just friends playing - arbiter(senior club member) could explain and allow taking back if opponent would agree
– Drako
5 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
15
down vote
accepted
up vote
15
down vote
accepted
According to the 2018 FIDE Laws of Chess (emphasis mine):
4.2.1 Only the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares,
provided that he first expresses his intention (for example by saying “j’adoube†or “I
adjustâ€Â).
4.2.2 Any other physical contact with a piece, except for clearly accidental contact, shall be considered to be intent.
4.3 Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move touches on the
chessboard, with the intention of moving or capturing:
4.3.1 one or more of his own pieces, he must move the first piece touched that can be moved
Touching with a forearm seems to be "clearly accidental contact", so it shouldn't trigger the touch move rules.
In the scenario where you move the piece because your opponent said you must, and then want to take it back, it's less clear. You generally cannot take back moves (and, if you've moved, then obviously you have now touched the piece with the intent of moving it.) However, your opponent has acted inappropriately; at the very least they've distracted you during your move. It's possible the arbiter would give some sort of penalty for this, especially if your opponent knew touch-move didn't really apply. You should summon the arbiter as soon as possible to get a ruling.
answered 8 hours ago
D M
3,372929
According to the 2018 FIDE Laws of Chess (emphasis mine):
4.2.1 Only the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares,
provided that he first expresses his intention (for example by saying “j’adoube†or “I
adjustâ€Â).
4.2.2 Any other physical contact with a piece, except for clearly accidental contact, shall be considered to be intent.
4.3 Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move touches on the
chessboard, with the intention of moving or capturing:
4.3.1 one or more of his own pieces, he must move the first piece touched that can be moved
Touching with a forearm seems to be "clearly accidental contact", so it shouldn't trigger the touch move rules.
In the scenario where you move the piece because your opponent said you must, and then want to take it back, it's less clear. You generally cannot take back moves (and, if you've moved, then obviously you have now touched the piece with the intent of moving it.) However, your opponent has acted inappropriately; at the very least they've distracted you during your move. It's possible the arbiter would give some sort of penalty for this, especially if your opponent knew touch-move didn't really apply. You should summon the arbiter as soon as possible to get a ruling.
answered 8 hours ago
D M
3,372929
answered 8 hours ago
D M
3,372929
answered 8 hours ago
D M
3,372929
answered 8 hours ago
D M
3,372929
3,372929
Answer is correct - its definitely not a touch move, but I would add that any tournament higher than club internal you would definitely not be allowed tacking back your move - as it was explained - you should believe arbiter not opponent, in kids tournament there are popular cases when one says checkmate when its actually not, but if opponent believes, accepts it - the game is lost; same here - reasons does not really matter, if you moved, if you resigned - it's done.
– Drako
5 hours ago
In your local club were just friends playing - arbiter(senior club member) could explain and allow taking back if opponent would agree
– Drako
5 hours ago
add a comment |Â
Answer is correct - its definitely not a touch move, but I would add that any tournament higher than club internal you would definitely not be allowed tacking back your move - as it was explained - you should believe arbiter not opponent, in kids tournament there are popular cases when one says checkmate when its actually not, but if opponent believes, accepts it - the game is lost; same here - reasons does not really matter, if you moved, if you resigned - it's done.
– Drako
5 hours ago
In your local club were just friends playing - arbiter(senior club member) could explain and allow taking back if opponent would agree
– Drako
5 hours ago
Answer is correct - its definitely not a touch move, but I would add that any tournament higher than club internal you would definitely not be allowed tacking back your move - as it was explained - you should believe arbiter not opponent, in kids tournament there are popular cases when one says checkmate when its actually not, but if opponent believes, accepts it - the game is lost; same here - reasons does not really matter, if you moved, if you resigned - it's done.
– Drako
5 hours ago
Answer is correct - its definitely not a touch move, but I would add that any tournament higher than club internal you would definitely not be allowed tacking back your move - as it was explained - you should believe arbiter not opponent, in kids tournament there are popular cases when one says checkmate when its actually not, but if opponent believes, accepts it - the game is lost; same here - reasons does not really matter, if you moved, if you resigned - it's done.
– Drako
5 hours ago
In your local club were just friends playing - arbiter(senior club member) could explain and allow taking back if opponent would agree
– Drako
5 hours ago
In your local club were just friends playing - arbiter(senior club member) could explain and allow taking back if opponent would agree
– Drako
5 hours ago
add a comment |Â
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Possible duplicate of If I accidentally knock over a rook with my elbow while reaching for another piece, do I have to move the rook?
– Dag Oskar Madsen
2 hours ago