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Once in a while, I get stuck at a gate waiting for a plane to be repaired. It makes me wonder - why do airlines even try to repair at the gate? It takes an unknown amount of time, they never provide a real ETA, and the airline usually doesn’t even admit the problem (or uses vague terms like an advisory or additional maintenance, as if customers are stupid).
Further, it would seem easier, faster, and better service to just swap out the plane.
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Once in a while, I get stuck at a gate waiting for a plane to be repaired. It makes me wonder - why do airlines even try to repair at the gate? It takes an unknown amount of time, they never provide a real ETA, and the airline usually doesn’t even admit the problem (or uses vague terms like an advisory or additional maintenance, as if customers are stupid).
Further, it would seem easier, faster, and better service to just swap out the plane.
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Are you talking about when passengers already onboard?
– Nean Der Thal
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Aircraft generally cost north of US$50 million, up to a few hundred million dollars for larger models. They are not something that airlines generally have lying around spare ready to "swap out" with a broken aircraft.
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Once in a while, I get stuck at a gate waiting for a plane to be repaired. It makes me wonder - why do airlines even try to repair at the gate? It takes an unknown amount of time, they never provide a real ETA, and the airline usually doesn’t even admit the problem (or uses vague terms like an advisory or additional maintenance, as if customers are stupid).
Further, it would seem easier, faster, and better service to just swap out the plane.
air-travel delays
edited 23 mins ago
Nean Der Thal
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Craig
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Once in a while, I get stuck at a gate waiting for a plane to be repaired. It makes me wonder - why do airlines even try to repair at the gate? It takes an unknown amount of time, they never provide a real ETA, and the airline usually doesn’t even admit the problem (or uses vague terms like an advisory or additional maintenance, as if customers are stupid).
Further, it would seem easier, faster, and better service to just swap out the plane.
air-travel delays
air-travel delays
edited 23 mins ago
Nean Der Thal
66.1k21242348
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Craig
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edited 23 mins ago
Nean Der Thal
66.1k21242348
asked 1 hour ago
Craig
1362
edited 23 mins ago
Nean Der Thal
66.1k21242348
edited 23 mins ago
Nean Der Thal
66.1k21242348
edited 23 mins ago
Nean Der Thal
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66.1k21242348
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Craig
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asked 1 hour ago
Craig
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Craig
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Are you talking about when passengers already onboard?
– Nean Der Thal
58 mins ago
1
Aircraft generally cost north of US$50 million, up to a few hundred million dollars for larger models. They are not something that airlines generally have lying around spare ready to "swap out" with a broken aircraft.
– Doc
53 mins ago
add a comment |Â
Are you talking about when passengers already onboard?
– Nean Der Thal
58 mins ago
1
Aircraft generally cost north of US$50 million, up to a few hundred million dollars for larger models. They are not something that airlines generally have lying around spare ready to "swap out" with a broken aircraft.
– Doc
53 mins ago
Are you talking about when passengers already onboard?
– Nean Der Thal
58 mins ago
Are you talking about when passengers already onboard?
– Nean Der Thal
58 mins ago
1
1
Aircraft generally cost north of US$50 million, up to a few hundred million dollars for larger models. They are not something that airlines generally have lying around spare ready to "swap out" with a broken aircraft.
– Doc
53 mins ago
Aircraft generally cost north of US$50 million, up to a few hundred million dollars for larger models. They are not something that airlines generally have lying around spare ready to "swap out" with a broken aircraft.
– Doc
53 mins ago
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- A cabin crew member to her/his chief: The securing strap for the oxygen bottle at 3R is loose.
- Chief to pilot: The 3R oxygen bottle cannot be secured, something is wrong with the strap.
- Pilot to maintenance over the radio: We need someone onboard, we have an issue with the oxygen bottle strap at 3R.
- Maintenance guy arrives, after checking it, he goes to the pilot: it will take 5 minutes to repair it and another 5 to get it, I just radioed the guys to bring the spare part.
- Captain over PA: Dear passengers, we have a 10 minutes advisory due to a small technical problem. However, the weather is blah blah..
- 10 minutes later, the maintenance guy goes to the pilot: Captain, the guys couldn't find the spare part, we need to get it from the main spare parts shop at the far side of the airport, it will take 10 more minutes.
- Captain over the PA again: Dear passengers, it seems that we need 15 more minutes, blah blah..
- etc. etc.
The above is real world scenario, which I faced hundreds of times during my years working as a cabin crew.
Even if a similar thing happened while passengers boarding didn't start yet, the pilots would give green light for it to start, because they would expect the plane to be fixed and it would be better chances for the plane to take-off on-time. Better than delaying the boarding, then fixing the problem, and then start the boarding late, causing a delay. This is the general way if they think there is a good chance of fixing the plane on-gate.
Airlines do not lie, they just like to think about the "best possible scenario" when passing information about the delays.
As for "swapping airplanes", this is really not something airlines do easily:
- They wouldn't have an aircraft that has nothing to do and waiting for "swapping".
- Even if they wanted to, usually this only happens at "bases" or main hubs for the airline.
- Also, when swapping the planes, you will need to swap the catering and other stuff which is specific for that flight, that's not easy and it's costly.
- What about luggage and cargo? what if they already started loading that?
- Lastly, swapping the plane will usually cause two delays instead of one, the first delay is for the original scheduled flight, and a second delay for the flight in which the plane was pulled from. so why create two problems instead of one?
If for some big technical problem the maintenance or the pilots decided that the plane is grounded, the airlines then will consider swapping the plane, new airlines systems have some sort of AI which will suggest the best scenario and should the flight be cancelled or should the airline swap the plane with another flight (usually one that has a scheduled, non-mandatory check-ups that can be re-scheduled). This will usually cause a chain of delays, which can be neutralized after a few flights for the same plane (making up a few minutes from each flight until finally it catches up to it's original schedule).
answered 41 mins ago
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That is one great answer!
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1 Answer
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- A cabin crew member to her/his chief: The securing strap for the oxygen bottle at 3R is loose.
- Chief to pilot: The 3R oxygen bottle cannot be secured, something is wrong with the strap.
- Pilot to maintenance over the radio: We need someone onboard, we have an issue with the oxygen bottle strap at 3R.
- Maintenance guy arrives, after checking it, he goes to the pilot: it will take 5 minutes to repair it and another 5 to get it, I just radioed the guys to bring the spare part.
- Captain over PA: Dear passengers, we have a 10 minutes advisory due to a small technical problem. However, the weather is blah blah..
- 10 minutes later, the maintenance guy goes to the pilot: Captain, the guys couldn't find the spare part, we need to get it from the main spare parts shop at the far side of the airport, it will take 10 more minutes.
- Captain over the PA again: Dear passengers, it seems that we need 15 more minutes, blah blah..
- etc. etc.
The above is real world scenario, which I faced hundreds of times during my years working as a cabin crew.
Even if a similar thing happened while passengers boarding didn't start yet, the pilots would give green light for it to start, because they would expect the plane to be fixed and it would be better chances for the plane to take-off on-time. Better than delaying the boarding, then fixing the problem, and then start the boarding late, causing a delay. This is the general way if they think there is a good chance of fixing the plane on-gate.
Airlines do not lie, they just like to think about the "best possible scenario" when passing information about the delays.
As for "swapping airplanes", this is really not something airlines do easily:
- They wouldn't have an aircraft that has nothing to do and waiting for "swapping".
- Even if they wanted to, usually this only happens at "bases" or main hubs for the airline.
- Also, when swapping the planes, you will need to swap the catering and other stuff which is specific for that flight, that's not easy and it's costly.
- What about luggage and cargo? what if they already started loading that?
- Lastly, swapping the plane will usually cause two delays instead of one, the first delay is for the original scheduled flight, and a second delay for the flight in which the plane was pulled from. so why create two problems instead of one?
If for some big technical problem the maintenance or the pilots decided that the plane is grounded, the airlines then will consider swapping the plane, new airlines systems have some sort of AI which will suggest the best scenario and should the flight be cancelled or should the airline swap the plane with another flight (usually one that has a scheduled, non-mandatory check-ups that can be re-scheduled). This will usually cause a chain of delays, which can be neutralized after a few flights for the same plane (making up a few minutes from each flight until finally it catches up to it's original schedule).
answered 41 mins ago
Nean Der Thal
66.1k21242348
1
That is one great answer!
– Hanky Panky
5 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
- A cabin crew member to her/his chief: The securing strap for the oxygen bottle at 3R is loose.
- Chief to pilot: The 3R oxygen bottle cannot be secured, something is wrong with the strap.
- Pilot to maintenance over the radio: We need someone onboard, we have an issue with the oxygen bottle strap at 3R.
- Maintenance guy arrives, after checking it, he goes to the pilot: it will take 5 minutes to repair it and another 5 to get it, I just radioed the guys to bring the spare part.
- Captain over PA: Dear passengers, we have a 10 minutes advisory due to a small technical problem. However, the weather is blah blah..
- 10 minutes later, the maintenance guy goes to the pilot: Captain, the guys couldn't find the spare part, we need to get it from the main spare parts shop at the far side of the airport, it will take 10 more minutes.
- Captain over the PA again: Dear passengers, it seems that we need 15 more minutes, blah blah..
- etc. etc.
The above is real world scenario, which I faced hundreds of times during my years working as a cabin crew.
Even if a similar thing happened while passengers boarding didn't start yet, the pilots would give green light for it to start, because they would expect the plane to be fixed and it would be better chances for the plane to take-off on-time. Better than delaying the boarding, then fixing the problem, and then start the boarding late, causing a delay. This is the general way if they think there is a good chance of fixing the plane on-gate.
Airlines do not lie, they just like to think about the "best possible scenario" when passing information about the delays.
As for "swapping airplanes", this is really not something airlines do easily:
- They wouldn't have an aircraft that has nothing to do and waiting for "swapping".
- Even if they wanted to, usually this only happens at "bases" or main hubs for the airline.
- Also, when swapping the planes, you will need to swap the catering and other stuff which is specific for that flight, that's not easy and it's costly.
- What about luggage and cargo? what if they already started loading that?
- Lastly, swapping the plane will usually cause two delays instead of one, the first delay is for the original scheduled flight, and a second delay for the flight in which the plane was pulled from. so why create two problems instead of one?
If for some big technical problem the maintenance or the pilots decided that the plane is grounded, the airlines then will consider swapping the plane, new airlines systems have some sort of AI which will suggest the best scenario and should the flight be cancelled or should the airline swap the plane with another flight (usually one that has a scheduled, non-mandatory check-ups that can be re-scheduled). This will usually cause a chain of delays, which can be neutralized after a few flights for the same plane (making up a few minutes from each flight until finally it catches up to it's original schedule).
answered 41 mins ago
Nean Der Thal
66.1k21242348
1
That is one great answer!
– Hanky Panky
5 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
up vote
6
down vote
- A cabin crew member to her/his chief: The securing strap for the oxygen bottle at 3R is loose.
- Chief to pilot: The 3R oxygen bottle cannot be secured, something is wrong with the strap.
- Pilot to maintenance over the radio: We need someone onboard, we have an issue with the oxygen bottle strap at 3R.
- Maintenance guy arrives, after checking it, he goes to the pilot: it will take 5 minutes to repair it and another 5 to get it, I just radioed the guys to bring the spare part.
- Captain over PA: Dear passengers, we have a 10 minutes advisory due to a small technical problem. However, the weather is blah blah..
- 10 minutes later, the maintenance guy goes to the pilot: Captain, the guys couldn't find the spare part, we need to get it from the main spare parts shop at the far side of the airport, it will take 10 more minutes.
- Captain over the PA again: Dear passengers, it seems that we need 15 more minutes, blah blah..
- etc. etc.
The above is real world scenario, which I faced hundreds of times during my years working as a cabin crew.
Even if a similar thing happened while passengers boarding didn't start yet, the pilots would give green light for it to start, because they would expect the plane to be fixed and it would be better chances for the plane to take-off on-time. Better than delaying the boarding, then fixing the problem, and then start the boarding late, causing a delay. This is the general way if they think there is a good chance of fixing the plane on-gate.
Airlines do not lie, they just like to think about the "best possible scenario" when passing information about the delays.
As for "swapping airplanes", this is really not something airlines do easily:
- They wouldn't have an aircraft that has nothing to do and waiting for "swapping".
- Even if they wanted to, usually this only happens at "bases" or main hubs for the airline.
- Also, when swapping the planes, you will need to swap the catering and other stuff which is specific for that flight, that's not easy and it's costly.
- What about luggage and cargo? what if they already started loading that?
- Lastly, swapping the plane will usually cause two delays instead of one, the first delay is for the original scheduled flight, and a second delay for the flight in which the plane was pulled from. so why create two problems instead of one?
If for some big technical problem the maintenance or the pilots decided that the plane is grounded, the airlines then will consider swapping the plane, new airlines systems have some sort of AI which will suggest the best scenario and should the flight be cancelled or should the airline swap the plane with another flight (usually one that has a scheduled, non-mandatory check-ups that can be re-scheduled). This will usually cause a chain of delays, which can be neutralized after a few flights for the same plane (making up a few minutes from each flight until finally it catches up to it's original schedule).
answered 41 mins ago
Nean Der Thal
66.1k21242348
- A cabin crew member to her/his chief: The securing strap for the oxygen bottle at 3R is loose.
- Chief to pilot: The 3R oxygen bottle cannot be secured, something is wrong with the strap.
- Pilot to maintenance over the radio: We need someone onboard, we have an issue with the oxygen bottle strap at 3R.
- Maintenance guy arrives, after checking it, he goes to the pilot: it will take 5 minutes to repair it and another 5 to get it, I just radioed the guys to bring the spare part.
- Captain over PA: Dear passengers, we have a 10 minutes advisory due to a small technical problem. However, the weather is blah blah..
- 10 minutes later, the maintenance guy goes to the pilot: Captain, the guys couldn't find the spare part, we need to get it from the main spare parts shop at the far side of the airport, it will take 10 more minutes.
- Captain over the PA again: Dear passengers, it seems that we need 15 more minutes, blah blah..
- etc. etc.
The above is real world scenario, which I faced hundreds of times during my years working as a cabin crew.
Even if a similar thing happened while passengers boarding didn't start yet, the pilots would give green light for it to start, because they would expect the plane to be fixed and it would be better chances for the plane to take-off on-time. Better than delaying the boarding, then fixing the problem, and then start the boarding late, causing a delay. This is the general way if they think there is a good chance of fixing the plane on-gate.
Airlines do not lie, they just like to think about the "best possible scenario" when passing information about the delays.
As for "swapping airplanes", this is really not something airlines do easily:
- They wouldn't have an aircraft that has nothing to do and waiting for "swapping".
- Even if they wanted to, usually this only happens at "bases" or main hubs for the airline.
- Also, when swapping the planes, you will need to swap the catering and other stuff which is specific for that flight, that's not easy and it's costly.
- What about luggage and cargo? what if they already started loading that?
- Lastly, swapping the plane will usually cause two delays instead of one, the first delay is for the original scheduled flight, and a second delay for the flight in which the plane was pulled from. so why create two problems instead of one?
If for some big technical problem the maintenance or the pilots decided that the plane is grounded, the airlines then will consider swapping the plane, new airlines systems have some sort of AI which will suggest the best scenario and should the flight be cancelled or should the airline swap the plane with another flight (usually one that has a scheduled, non-mandatory check-ups that can be re-scheduled). This will usually cause a chain of delays, which can be neutralized after a few flights for the same plane (making up a few minutes from each flight until finally it catches up to it's original schedule).
answered 41 mins ago
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That is one great answer!
– Hanky Panky
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That is one great answer!
– Hanky Panky
5 mins ago
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That is one great answer!
– Hanky Panky
5 mins ago
That is one great answer!
– Hanky Panky
5 mins ago
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Are you talking about when passengers already onboard?
– Nean Der Thal
58 mins ago
1
Aircraft generally cost north of US$50 million, up to a few hundred million dollars for larger models. They are not something that airlines generally have lying around spare ready to "swap out" with a broken aircraft.
– Doc
53 mins ago