Does Lightbringer illuminate or dispel the Darkness spell?

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Lightbringer is a +1 mace that appears in the Lost Mine of Phandelver adventure.




It's found on the worktable by the Forge of Spells in Wave Echo Cave (p. 48).




The description says:




This +1 mace was made for a cleric of Lathander, the god of dawn. The head of the mace is shaped like a sunburst and made of solid brass. Named Lightbringer, this weapon glows as bright as a torch when its wielder commands. While glowing, the mace deals an extra 1d6 radiant damage to undead creatures.




I'm playing a warlock who cast the darkness spell at 4th level. My party member used Lightbringer in the area of darkness in order to reveal my location.



Can Lightbringer dispel, suppress, or pierce through the darkness created by a 4th-level darkness spell?










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  • @QuadraticWizard so im a warlock who cast darkness @ level 4. My party member used lightbringer in the darkness I casted in order to reveal my location. I wanted to know if that illuminates, dispells or affects my darkness in any way. were are playing dnd 5th edition
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Lightbringer is a +1 mace that appears in the Lost Mine of Phandelver adventure.




It's found on the worktable by the Forge of Spells in Wave Echo Cave (p. 48).




The description says:




This +1 mace was made for a cleric of Lathander, the god of dawn. The head of the mace is shaped like a sunburst and made of solid brass. Named Lightbringer, this weapon glows as bright as a torch when its wielder commands. While glowing, the mace deals an extra 1d6 radiant damage to undead creatures.




I'm playing a warlock who cast the darkness spell at 4th level. My party member used Lightbringer in the area of darkness in order to reveal my location.



Can Lightbringer dispel, suppress, or pierce through the darkness created by a 4th-level darkness spell?










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  • @QuadraticWizard so im a warlock who cast darkness @ level 4. My party member used lightbringer in the darkness I casted in order to reveal my location. I wanted to know if that illuminates, dispells or affects my darkness in any way. were are playing dnd 5th edition
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Lightbringer is a +1 mace that appears in the Lost Mine of Phandelver adventure.




It's found on the worktable by the Forge of Spells in Wave Echo Cave (p. 48).




The description says:




This +1 mace was made for a cleric of Lathander, the god of dawn. The head of the mace is shaped like a sunburst and made of solid brass. Named Lightbringer, this weapon glows as bright as a torch when its wielder commands. While glowing, the mace deals an extra 1d6 radiant damage to undead creatures.




I'm playing a warlock who cast the darkness spell at 4th level. My party member used Lightbringer in the area of darkness in order to reveal my location.



Can Lightbringer dispel, suppress, or pierce through the darkness created by a 4th-level darkness spell?










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Lightbringer is a +1 mace that appears in the Lost Mine of Phandelver adventure.




It's found on the worktable by the Forge of Spells in Wave Echo Cave (p. 48).




The description says:




This +1 mace was made for a cleric of Lathander, the god of dawn. The head of the mace is shaped like a sunburst and made of solid brass. Named Lightbringer, this weapon glows as bright as a torch when its wielder commands. While glowing, the mace deals an extra 1d6 radiant damage to undead creatures.




I'm playing a warlock who cast the darkness spell at 4th level. My party member used Lightbringer in the area of darkness in order to reveal my location.



Can Lightbringer dispel, suppress, or pierce through the darkness created by a 4th-level darkness spell?







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@QuadraticWizard so im a warlock who cast darkness @ level 4. My party member used lightbringer in the darkness I casted in order to reveal my location. I wanted to know if that illuminates, dispells or affects my darkness in any way. were are playing dnd 5th edition
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It can illuminate an area of a darkness spell, as light from a magic item is magical light.



As per the darkness spell description, it blocks non-magical light:




A creature with darkvision can't see through this darkness, and nonmagical light can't illuminate it.




But does it explicitly allow magical light? Yes. Jeremy Crawford, whose rulings are considered official, says in two tweets:




Light from any magical source can illuminate the area of a darkness spell, but the darkness spell can dispel light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, not light created by a non-spell.



If a source of magical light is not a spell of 2nd level or lower, darkness can be illuminated by that light.




Is light from a magic item "magical light"? According to our question What is considered magical light for the purposes of the Darkness spell?, light from a magic item is magical light.



I concur with this assessment. Words with no game rule meaning in D&D 5th edition (i.e. "magical light" isn't defined anywhere in the books) are interpreted by their natural English meaning. The light is clearly a magical property, and I think it would be difficult to argue that light produced directly by a magic item is nonmagical.



Note that the level of a darkness spell doesn't have any effect, citing another Crawford tweet:




As written, the darkness spell can't be made more powerful with a higher level slot.




Therefore, Lightbringer, being magical, can overcome the darkness spell.



It can't actually dispel the darkness spell, since no part of the item's description says it can. If you take Lightbringer back out of the area, for example, the darkness effect returns.






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    RAW: No, it wouldn't illuminate or dispel darkness. There is no effect saying this specifically.



    The lightbringer +1 mace from the starter set game Lost Mines of Phandelver can't remove the effects of the darkness spell.




    this weapon glows as bright as a torch when its wielder commands.




    This describes the light cantrip (though it should be noted that it is not the cantrip but it functions somewhat similarly).



    The darkness spell states:




    If any of this spell’s area overlaps with an area of light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, the spell that created the light is dispelled.




    (bolding mine)



    The light cantrip is considered a level 0 spell and therefore would be dispelled as the mace enters the area of the darkness spell. The effect would also not function if the mace was commanded to light up while in magical darkness.



    All spells in the PHB higher than 2nd level which create light are all large amounts of light such as daylight or sunburst or even hallow. All of which describe their light as either bright light or can give the blinding condition indicating light bright enough to blind, the light bringer has no such wording.






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    • Lightbringer has nothing to do with the light cantrip. You are correct that it wouldn't dispel darkness - but Lightbringer (and/or its light) is not a spell.
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    • And regarding your current last paragraph about Lightbringer not mentioning its brightness: Lightbringer says it "glows as bright as a torch" - and torches give off 20 feet of bright light and 20 more feet of dim light.
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    It can illuminate an area of a darkness spell, as light from a magic item is magical light.



    As per the darkness spell description, it blocks non-magical light:




    A creature with darkvision can't see through this darkness, and nonmagical light can't illuminate it.




    But does it explicitly allow magical light? Yes. Jeremy Crawford, whose rulings are considered official, says in two tweets:




    Light from any magical source can illuminate the area of a darkness spell, but the darkness spell can dispel light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, not light created by a non-spell.



    If a source of magical light is not a spell of 2nd level or lower, darkness can be illuminated by that light.




    Is light from a magic item "magical light"? According to our question What is considered magical light for the purposes of the Darkness spell?, light from a magic item is magical light.



    I concur with this assessment. Words with no game rule meaning in D&D 5th edition (i.e. "magical light" isn't defined anywhere in the books) are interpreted by their natural English meaning. The light is clearly a magical property, and I think it would be difficult to argue that light produced directly by a magic item is nonmagical.



    Note that the level of a darkness spell doesn't have any effect, citing another Crawford tweet:




    As written, the darkness spell can't be made more powerful with a higher level slot.




    Therefore, Lightbringer, being magical, can overcome the darkness spell.



    It can't actually dispel the darkness spell, since no part of the item's description says it can. If you take Lightbringer back out of the area, for example, the darkness effect returns.






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      It can illuminate an area of a darkness spell, as light from a magic item is magical light.



      As per the darkness spell description, it blocks non-magical light:




      A creature with darkvision can't see through this darkness, and nonmagical light can't illuminate it.




      But does it explicitly allow magical light? Yes. Jeremy Crawford, whose rulings are considered official, says in two tweets:




      Light from any magical source can illuminate the area of a darkness spell, but the darkness spell can dispel light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, not light created by a non-spell.



      If a source of magical light is not a spell of 2nd level or lower, darkness can be illuminated by that light.




      Is light from a magic item "magical light"? According to our question What is considered magical light for the purposes of the Darkness spell?, light from a magic item is magical light.



      I concur with this assessment. Words with no game rule meaning in D&D 5th edition (i.e. "magical light" isn't defined anywhere in the books) are interpreted by their natural English meaning. The light is clearly a magical property, and I think it would be difficult to argue that light produced directly by a magic item is nonmagical.



      Note that the level of a darkness spell doesn't have any effect, citing another Crawford tweet:




      As written, the darkness spell can't be made more powerful with a higher level slot.




      Therefore, Lightbringer, being magical, can overcome the darkness spell.



      It can't actually dispel the darkness spell, since no part of the item's description says it can. If you take Lightbringer back out of the area, for example, the darkness effect returns.






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        It can illuminate an area of a darkness spell, as light from a magic item is magical light.



        As per the darkness spell description, it blocks non-magical light:




        A creature with darkvision can't see through this darkness, and nonmagical light can't illuminate it.




        But does it explicitly allow magical light? Yes. Jeremy Crawford, whose rulings are considered official, says in two tweets:




        Light from any magical source can illuminate the area of a darkness spell, but the darkness spell can dispel light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, not light created by a non-spell.



        If a source of magical light is not a spell of 2nd level or lower, darkness can be illuminated by that light.




        Is light from a magic item "magical light"? According to our question What is considered magical light for the purposes of the Darkness spell?, light from a magic item is magical light.



        I concur with this assessment. Words with no game rule meaning in D&D 5th edition (i.e. "magical light" isn't defined anywhere in the books) are interpreted by their natural English meaning. The light is clearly a magical property, and I think it would be difficult to argue that light produced directly by a magic item is nonmagical.



        Note that the level of a darkness spell doesn't have any effect, citing another Crawford tweet:




        As written, the darkness spell can't be made more powerful with a higher level slot.




        Therefore, Lightbringer, being magical, can overcome the darkness spell.



        It can't actually dispel the darkness spell, since no part of the item's description says it can. If you take Lightbringer back out of the area, for example, the darkness effect returns.






        share|improve this answer












        It can illuminate an area of a darkness spell, as light from a magic item is magical light.



        As per the darkness spell description, it blocks non-magical light:




        A creature with darkvision can't see through this darkness, and nonmagical light can't illuminate it.




        But does it explicitly allow magical light? Yes. Jeremy Crawford, whose rulings are considered official, says in two tweets:




        Light from any magical source can illuminate the area of a darkness spell, but the darkness spell can dispel light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, not light created by a non-spell.



        If a source of magical light is not a spell of 2nd level or lower, darkness can be illuminated by that light.




        Is light from a magic item "magical light"? According to our question What is considered magical light for the purposes of the Darkness spell?, light from a magic item is magical light.



        I concur with this assessment. Words with no game rule meaning in D&D 5th edition (i.e. "magical light" isn't defined anywhere in the books) are interpreted by their natural English meaning. The light is clearly a magical property, and I think it would be difficult to argue that light produced directly by a magic item is nonmagical.



        Note that the level of a darkness spell doesn't have any effect, citing another Crawford tweet:




        As written, the darkness spell can't be made more powerful with a higher level slot.




        Therefore, Lightbringer, being magical, can overcome the darkness spell.



        It can't actually dispel the darkness spell, since no part of the item's description says it can. If you take Lightbringer back out of the area, for example, the darkness effect returns.







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            RAW: No, it wouldn't illuminate or dispel darkness. There is no effect saying this specifically.



            The lightbringer +1 mace from the starter set game Lost Mines of Phandelver can't remove the effects of the darkness spell.




            this weapon glows as bright as a torch when its wielder commands.




            This describes the light cantrip (though it should be noted that it is not the cantrip but it functions somewhat similarly).



            The darkness spell states:




            If any of this spell’s area overlaps with an area of light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, the spell that created the light is dispelled.




            (bolding mine)



            The light cantrip is considered a level 0 spell and therefore would be dispelled as the mace enters the area of the darkness spell. The effect would also not function if the mace was commanded to light up while in magical darkness.



            All spells in the PHB higher than 2nd level which create light are all large amounts of light such as daylight or sunburst or even hallow. All of which describe their light as either bright light or can give the blinding condition indicating light bright enough to blind, the light bringer has no such wording.






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            • Lightbringer has nothing to do with the light cantrip. You are correct that it wouldn't dispel darkness - but Lightbringer (and/or its light) is not a spell.
              – V2Blast
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            • And regarding your current last paragraph about Lightbringer not mentioning its brightness: Lightbringer says it "glows as bright as a torch" - and torches give off 20 feet of bright light and 20 more feet of dim light.
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            RAW: No, it wouldn't illuminate or dispel darkness. There is no effect saying this specifically.



            The lightbringer +1 mace from the starter set game Lost Mines of Phandelver can't remove the effects of the darkness spell.




            this weapon glows as bright as a torch when its wielder commands.




            This describes the light cantrip (though it should be noted that it is not the cantrip but it functions somewhat similarly).



            The darkness spell states:




            If any of this spell’s area overlaps with an area of light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, the spell that created the light is dispelled.




            (bolding mine)



            The light cantrip is considered a level 0 spell and therefore would be dispelled as the mace enters the area of the darkness spell. The effect would also not function if the mace was commanded to light up while in magical darkness.



            All spells in the PHB higher than 2nd level which create light are all large amounts of light such as daylight or sunburst or even hallow. All of which describe their light as either bright light or can give the blinding condition indicating light bright enough to blind, the light bringer has no such wording.






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            • Lightbringer has nothing to do with the light cantrip. You are correct that it wouldn't dispel darkness - but Lightbringer (and/or its light) is not a spell.
              – V2Blast
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            • And regarding your current last paragraph about Lightbringer not mentioning its brightness: Lightbringer says it "glows as bright as a torch" - and torches give off 20 feet of bright light and 20 more feet of dim light.
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            RAW: No, it wouldn't illuminate or dispel darkness. There is no effect saying this specifically.



            The lightbringer +1 mace from the starter set game Lost Mines of Phandelver can't remove the effects of the darkness spell.




            this weapon glows as bright as a torch when its wielder commands.




            This describes the light cantrip (though it should be noted that it is not the cantrip but it functions somewhat similarly).



            The darkness spell states:




            If any of this spell’s area overlaps with an area of light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, the spell that created the light is dispelled.




            (bolding mine)



            The light cantrip is considered a level 0 spell and therefore would be dispelled as the mace enters the area of the darkness spell. The effect would also not function if the mace was commanded to light up while in magical darkness.



            All spells in the PHB higher than 2nd level which create light are all large amounts of light such as daylight or sunburst or even hallow. All of which describe their light as either bright light or can give the blinding condition indicating light bright enough to blind, the light bringer has no such wording.






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            RAW: No, it wouldn't illuminate or dispel darkness. There is no effect saying this specifically.



            The lightbringer +1 mace from the starter set game Lost Mines of Phandelver can't remove the effects of the darkness spell.




            this weapon glows as bright as a torch when its wielder commands.




            This describes the light cantrip (though it should be noted that it is not the cantrip but it functions somewhat similarly).



            The darkness spell states:




            If any of this spell’s area overlaps with an area of light created by a spell of 2nd level or lower, the spell that created the light is dispelled.




            (bolding mine)



            The light cantrip is considered a level 0 spell and therefore would be dispelled as the mace enters the area of the darkness spell. The effect would also not function if the mace was commanded to light up while in magical darkness.



            All spells in the PHB higher than 2nd level which create light are all large amounts of light such as daylight or sunburst or even hallow. All of which describe their light as either bright light or can give the blinding condition indicating light bright enough to blind, the light bringer has no such wording.







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            • Lightbringer has nothing to do with the light cantrip. You are correct that it wouldn't dispel darkness - but Lightbringer (and/or its light) is not a spell.
              – V2Blast
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            • And regarding your current last paragraph about Lightbringer not mentioning its brightness: Lightbringer says it "glows as bright as a torch" - and torches give off 20 feet of bright light and 20 more feet of dim light.
              – V2Blast
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            • Lightbringer has nothing to do with the light cantrip. You are correct that it wouldn't dispel darkness - but Lightbringer (and/or its light) is not a spell.
              – V2Blast
              5 hours ago










            • And regarding your current last paragraph about Lightbringer not mentioning its brightness: Lightbringer says it "glows as bright as a torch" - and torches give off 20 feet of bright light and 20 more feet of dim light.
              – V2Blast
              2 hours ago















            Lightbringer has nothing to do with the light cantrip. You are correct that it wouldn't dispel darkness - but Lightbringer (and/or its light) is not a spell.
            – V2Blast
            5 hours ago




            Lightbringer has nothing to do with the light cantrip. You are correct that it wouldn't dispel darkness - but Lightbringer (and/or its light) is not a spell.
            – V2Blast
            5 hours ago












            And regarding your current last paragraph about Lightbringer not mentioning its brightness: Lightbringer says it "glows as bright as a torch" - and torches give off 20 feet of bright light and 20 more feet of dim light.
            – V2Blast
            2 hours ago




            And regarding your current last paragraph about Lightbringer not mentioning its brightness: Lightbringer says it "glows as bright as a torch" - and torches give off 20 feet of bright light and 20 more feet of dim light.
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