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At the end of "I Borg", Hugh is tasked with reuniting with the Collective in hopes of introducing the choice of individuality and giving them the opportunity to freely choose a path that didn't involve assimilation.
Are there any references to the consequences of Hugh being re-assimilated into the Collective? Did he succeed in creating dissent within the Borg or any other lasting impact beyond this episode?
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At the end of "I Borg", Hugh is tasked with reuniting with the Collective in hopes of introducing the choice of individuality and giving them the opportunity to freely choose a path that didn't involve assimilation.
Are there any references to the consequences of Hugh being re-assimilated into the Collective? Did he succeed in creating dissent within the Borg or any other lasting impact beyond this episode?
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At the end of "I Borg", Hugh is tasked with reuniting with the Collective in hopes of introducing the choice of individuality and giving them the opportunity to freely choose a path that didn't involve assimilation.
Are there any references to the consequences of Hugh being re-assimilated into the Collective? Did he succeed in creating dissent within the Borg or any other lasting impact beyond this episode?
star-trek star-trek-tng borg
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At the end of "I Borg", Hugh is tasked with reuniting with the Collective in hopes of introducing the choice of individuality and giving them the opportunity to freely choose a path that didn't involve assimilation.
Are there any references to the consequences of Hugh being re-assimilated into the Collective? Did he succeed in creating dissent within the Borg or any other lasting impact beyond this episode?
star-trek star-trek-tng borg
asked Sep 6 at 14:41
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Hugh reappears in the episode Descent Part II where we learn that Hugh did indeed make the Borg into individuals... but that the result was chaotic and left them open to being manipulated by Lore (all quotes from this transcript, emphasis mine)
TROI: Are you saying that you caused them to become individuals?
LORE: No, you did that. You and your friends. All I did was clean up the mess you made when that Borg you befriended returned to his ship.
DATA: Hugh interfaced with the others and transferred his sense of individuality to them. It nearly destroyed them.
And later
RIKER: Hugh?
HUGH: Why are you here, Commander Riker? Hasn't the crew of the Enterprise caused enough damage already?
WORF: So you blame us for what has happened to the Borg?
HUGH: You gave me a sense of individuality, changed me, then sent me back to the Collective. You must have known that change would be passed on to others.
RIKER: We considered it. We knew it was a possibility.
HUGH: Then you made it possible for Lore to dominate us.
WORF: I cannot accept that. Lore is only one. The Borg could have stopped him.
HUGH: You don't know the condition we were in when he found us. Before my experience on the Enterprise, the Borg were a single-minded Collective. The voices in our heads were smooth and flowing. But after I returned, those voices began to change. They became uneven, discordant. For the first time, individual Borg had differing ideas about how to proceed. We couldn't function. Some Borg fought each other. Others simply shut themselves down. Many starved to death.
RIKER: And then Lore came along.
HUGH: You probably can't imagine what it is like to be so lost and frightened that you will listen to any voice which promises change.
WORF: Even if that voice insists on controlling you.
HUGH: That's what we wanted. Someone to show us the way out of confusion. Lore promised clarity and purpose. In the beginning, he seemed like a saviour. The promise of becoming a superior race, of becoming fully artificial was compelling. We gladly did everything he asked of us. But after a while, it became clear that Lore had no idea how to keep his promise. That's when he began talking about the need for us to make sacrifices. Before we realised it, this was the result.
RIKER: What happened to them?
HUGH: Lore began to experiment, trying to re-make us in his image. This is the result of my encounter with the Enterprise, Commander. So you can see I don't particularly welcome your presence here.
RIKER: I'm sorry you feel that way. We just came to get our people. We won't cause you any more trouble.
We don't ultimately know what happens to Hugh, however. This exchange is at the end of the episode
HUGH: Perhaps my encounter with the Enterprise affected me more than I realised.
PICARD: What will you do now?
HUGH: I don't know. We can't go back to the Borg Collective, and we no longer have a leader here.
PICARD: I'm not sure that's true.
HUGH: Perhaps in time, we will learn to function as individuals and work together as a group.
PICARD: Good luck, Hugh.
HUGH: Goodbye.
answered Sep 6 at 14:54
Machavity
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So their impact is never shown fully reaching completely throughout the Collective? Just locally with whatever drones were able to be manipulated by Lore?
– TheIronCheek
Sep 6 at 15:58
4
The story implied the modified Borg ship was disconnected from the collective once they began to exert individuality. Neither DS9, nor Voyager, ever dealt with any direct fallout from Hugh. The only other individual Borg shown (not having been disconnected or individualized) was the Borg Queen
– Machavity
Sep 6 at 16:02
1
I could be wrong, but I always thought the "individuality virus" was limited to the Borg cube that rescued Hugh. Out of that entire cube, perhaps 30-40 drones survived the chaos and ended up on the planet with him & Lore. A good virus needs time to propagate throughout the population in order to be effective.
– Omegacron
Sep 6 at 22:48
1
@Omegacron It's not clear if they disconnected from The Collective or The Collective disconnected from them. But, yes, we never see any evidence it spread to the broader Collective
– Machavity
Sep 7 at 0:14
1
Is it ever stated whether Unimatrix Zero is or isn't related to Hugh?
– OrangeDog
Sep 7 at 11:08
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1 Answer
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Yes and no
Hugh reappears in the episode Descent Part II where we learn that Hugh did indeed make the Borg into individuals... but that the result was chaotic and left them open to being manipulated by Lore (all quotes from this transcript, emphasis mine)
TROI: Are you saying that you caused them to become individuals?
LORE: No, you did that. You and your friends. All I did was clean up the mess you made when that Borg you befriended returned to his ship.
DATA: Hugh interfaced with the others and transferred his sense of individuality to them. It nearly destroyed them.
And later
RIKER: Hugh?
HUGH: Why are you here, Commander Riker? Hasn't the crew of the Enterprise caused enough damage already?
WORF: So you blame us for what has happened to the Borg?
HUGH: You gave me a sense of individuality, changed me, then sent me back to the Collective. You must have known that change would be passed on to others.
RIKER: We considered it. We knew it was a possibility.
HUGH: Then you made it possible for Lore to dominate us.
WORF: I cannot accept that. Lore is only one. The Borg could have stopped him.
HUGH: You don't know the condition we were in when he found us. Before my experience on the Enterprise, the Borg were a single-minded Collective. The voices in our heads were smooth and flowing. But after I returned, those voices began to change. They became uneven, discordant. For the first time, individual Borg had differing ideas about how to proceed. We couldn't function. Some Borg fought each other. Others simply shut themselves down. Many starved to death.
RIKER: And then Lore came along.
HUGH: You probably can't imagine what it is like to be so lost and frightened that you will listen to any voice which promises change.
WORF: Even if that voice insists on controlling you.
HUGH: That's what we wanted. Someone to show us the way out of confusion. Lore promised clarity and purpose. In the beginning, he seemed like a saviour. The promise of becoming a superior race, of becoming fully artificial was compelling. We gladly did everything he asked of us. But after a while, it became clear that Lore had no idea how to keep his promise. That's when he began talking about the need for us to make sacrifices. Before we realised it, this was the result.
RIKER: What happened to them?
HUGH: Lore began to experiment, trying to re-make us in his image. This is the result of my encounter with the Enterprise, Commander. So you can see I don't particularly welcome your presence here.
RIKER: I'm sorry you feel that way. We just came to get our people. We won't cause you any more trouble.
We don't ultimately know what happens to Hugh, however. This exchange is at the end of the episode
HUGH: Perhaps my encounter with the Enterprise affected me more than I realised.
PICARD: What will you do now?
HUGH: I don't know. We can't go back to the Borg Collective, and we no longer have a leader here.
PICARD: I'm not sure that's true.
HUGH: Perhaps in time, we will learn to function as individuals and work together as a group.
PICARD: Good luck, Hugh.
HUGH: Goodbye.
answered Sep 6 at 14:54
Machavity
23.7k573130
So their impact is never shown fully reaching completely throughout the Collective? Just locally with whatever drones were able to be manipulated by Lore?
– TheIronCheek
Sep 6 at 15:58
4
The story implied the modified Borg ship was disconnected from the collective once they began to exert individuality. Neither DS9, nor Voyager, ever dealt with any direct fallout from Hugh. The only other individual Borg shown (not having been disconnected or individualized) was the Borg Queen
– Machavity
Sep 6 at 16:02
1
I could be wrong, but I always thought the "individuality virus" was limited to the Borg cube that rescued Hugh. Out of that entire cube, perhaps 30-40 drones survived the chaos and ended up on the planet with him & Lore. A good virus needs time to propagate throughout the population in order to be effective.
– Omegacron
Sep 6 at 22:48
1
@Omegacron It's not clear if they disconnected from The Collective or The Collective disconnected from them. But, yes, we never see any evidence it spread to the broader Collective
– Machavity
Sep 7 at 0:14
1
Is it ever stated whether Unimatrix Zero is or isn't related to Hugh?
– OrangeDog
Sep 7 at 11:08
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
20
down vote
accepted
Yes and no
Hugh reappears in the episode Descent Part II where we learn that Hugh did indeed make the Borg into individuals... but that the result was chaotic and left them open to being manipulated by Lore (all quotes from this transcript, emphasis mine)
TROI: Are you saying that you caused them to become individuals?
LORE: No, you did that. You and your friends. All I did was clean up the mess you made when that Borg you befriended returned to his ship.
DATA: Hugh interfaced with the others and transferred his sense of individuality to them. It nearly destroyed them.
And later
RIKER: Hugh?
HUGH: Why are you here, Commander Riker? Hasn't the crew of the Enterprise caused enough damage already?
WORF: So you blame us for what has happened to the Borg?
HUGH: You gave me a sense of individuality, changed me, then sent me back to the Collective. You must have known that change would be passed on to others.
RIKER: We considered it. We knew it was a possibility.
HUGH: Then you made it possible for Lore to dominate us.
WORF: I cannot accept that. Lore is only one. The Borg could have stopped him.
HUGH: You don't know the condition we were in when he found us. Before my experience on the Enterprise, the Borg were a single-minded Collective. The voices in our heads were smooth and flowing. But after I returned, those voices began to change. They became uneven, discordant. For the first time, individual Borg had differing ideas about how to proceed. We couldn't function. Some Borg fought each other. Others simply shut themselves down. Many starved to death.
RIKER: And then Lore came along.
HUGH: You probably can't imagine what it is like to be so lost and frightened that you will listen to any voice which promises change.
WORF: Even if that voice insists on controlling you.
HUGH: That's what we wanted. Someone to show us the way out of confusion. Lore promised clarity and purpose. In the beginning, he seemed like a saviour. The promise of becoming a superior race, of becoming fully artificial was compelling. We gladly did everything he asked of us. But after a while, it became clear that Lore had no idea how to keep his promise. That's when he began talking about the need for us to make sacrifices. Before we realised it, this was the result.
RIKER: What happened to them?
HUGH: Lore began to experiment, trying to re-make us in his image. This is the result of my encounter with the Enterprise, Commander. So you can see I don't particularly welcome your presence here.
RIKER: I'm sorry you feel that way. We just came to get our people. We won't cause you any more trouble.
We don't ultimately know what happens to Hugh, however. This exchange is at the end of the episode
HUGH: Perhaps my encounter with the Enterprise affected me more than I realised.
PICARD: What will you do now?
HUGH: I don't know. We can't go back to the Borg Collective, and we no longer have a leader here.
PICARD: I'm not sure that's true.
HUGH: Perhaps in time, we will learn to function as individuals and work together as a group.
PICARD: Good luck, Hugh.
HUGH: Goodbye.
answered Sep 6 at 14:54
Machavity
23.7k573130
So their impact is never shown fully reaching completely throughout the Collective? Just locally with whatever drones were able to be manipulated by Lore?
– TheIronCheek
Sep 6 at 15:58
4
The story implied the modified Borg ship was disconnected from the collective once they began to exert individuality. Neither DS9, nor Voyager, ever dealt with any direct fallout from Hugh. The only other individual Borg shown (not having been disconnected or individualized) was the Borg Queen
– Machavity
Sep 6 at 16:02
1
I could be wrong, but I always thought the "individuality virus" was limited to the Borg cube that rescued Hugh. Out of that entire cube, perhaps 30-40 drones survived the chaos and ended up on the planet with him & Lore. A good virus needs time to propagate throughout the population in order to be effective.
– Omegacron
Sep 6 at 22:48
1
@Omegacron It's not clear if they disconnected from The Collective or The Collective disconnected from them. But, yes, we never see any evidence it spread to the broader Collective
– Machavity
Sep 7 at 0:14
1
Is it ever stated whether Unimatrix Zero is or isn't related to Hugh?
– OrangeDog
Sep 7 at 11:08
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
20
down vote
accepted
up vote
20
down vote
accepted
Yes and no
Hugh reappears in the episode Descent Part II where we learn that Hugh did indeed make the Borg into individuals... but that the result was chaotic and left them open to being manipulated by Lore (all quotes from this transcript, emphasis mine)
TROI: Are you saying that you caused them to become individuals?
LORE: No, you did that. You and your friends. All I did was clean up the mess you made when that Borg you befriended returned to his ship.
DATA: Hugh interfaced with the others and transferred his sense of individuality to them. It nearly destroyed them.
And later
RIKER: Hugh?
HUGH: Why are you here, Commander Riker? Hasn't the crew of the Enterprise caused enough damage already?
WORF: So you blame us for what has happened to the Borg?
HUGH: You gave me a sense of individuality, changed me, then sent me back to the Collective. You must have known that change would be passed on to others.
RIKER: We considered it. We knew it was a possibility.
HUGH: Then you made it possible for Lore to dominate us.
WORF: I cannot accept that. Lore is only one. The Borg could have stopped him.
HUGH: You don't know the condition we were in when he found us. Before my experience on the Enterprise, the Borg were a single-minded Collective. The voices in our heads were smooth and flowing. But after I returned, those voices began to change. They became uneven, discordant. For the first time, individual Borg had differing ideas about how to proceed. We couldn't function. Some Borg fought each other. Others simply shut themselves down. Many starved to death.
RIKER: And then Lore came along.
HUGH: You probably can't imagine what it is like to be so lost and frightened that you will listen to any voice which promises change.
WORF: Even if that voice insists on controlling you.
HUGH: That's what we wanted. Someone to show us the way out of confusion. Lore promised clarity and purpose. In the beginning, he seemed like a saviour. The promise of becoming a superior race, of becoming fully artificial was compelling. We gladly did everything he asked of us. But after a while, it became clear that Lore had no idea how to keep his promise. That's when he began talking about the need for us to make sacrifices. Before we realised it, this was the result.
RIKER: What happened to them?
HUGH: Lore began to experiment, trying to re-make us in his image. This is the result of my encounter with the Enterprise, Commander. So you can see I don't particularly welcome your presence here.
RIKER: I'm sorry you feel that way. We just came to get our people. We won't cause you any more trouble.
We don't ultimately know what happens to Hugh, however. This exchange is at the end of the episode
HUGH: Perhaps my encounter with the Enterprise affected me more than I realised.
PICARD: What will you do now?
HUGH: I don't know. We can't go back to the Borg Collective, and we no longer have a leader here.
PICARD: I'm not sure that's true.
HUGH: Perhaps in time, we will learn to function as individuals and work together as a group.
PICARD: Good luck, Hugh.
HUGH: Goodbye.
answered Sep 6 at 14:54
Machavity
23.7k573130
Yes and no
Hugh reappears in the episode Descent Part II where we learn that Hugh did indeed make the Borg into individuals... but that the result was chaotic and left them open to being manipulated by Lore (all quotes from this transcript, emphasis mine)
TROI: Are you saying that you caused them to become individuals?
LORE: No, you did that. You and your friends. All I did was clean up the mess you made when that Borg you befriended returned to his ship.
DATA: Hugh interfaced with the others and transferred his sense of individuality to them. It nearly destroyed them.
And later
RIKER: Hugh?
HUGH: Why are you here, Commander Riker? Hasn't the crew of the Enterprise caused enough damage already?
WORF: So you blame us for what has happened to the Borg?
HUGH: You gave me a sense of individuality, changed me, then sent me back to the Collective. You must have known that change would be passed on to others.
RIKER: We considered it. We knew it was a possibility.
HUGH: Then you made it possible for Lore to dominate us.
WORF: I cannot accept that. Lore is only one. The Borg could have stopped him.
HUGH: You don't know the condition we were in when he found us. Before my experience on the Enterprise, the Borg were a single-minded Collective. The voices in our heads were smooth and flowing. But after I returned, those voices began to change. They became uneven, discordant. For the first time, individual Borg had differing ideas about how to proceed. We couldn't function. Some Borg fought each other. Others simply shut themselves down. Many starved to death.
RIKER: And then Lore came along.
HUGH: You probably can't imagine what it is like to be so lost and frightened that you will listen to any voice which promises change.
WORF: Even if that voice insists on controlling you.
HUGH: That's what we wanted. Someone to show us the way out of confusion. Lore promised clarity and purpose. In the beginning, he seemed like a saviour. The promise of becoming a superior race, of becoming fully artificial was compelling. We gladly did everything he asked of us. But after a while, it became clear that Lore had no idea how to keep his promise. That's when he began talking about the need for us to make sacrifices. Before we realised it, this was the result.
RIKER: What happened to them?
HUGH: Lore began to experiment, trying to re-make us in his image. This is the result of my encounter with the Enterprise, Commander. So you can see I don't particularly welcome your presence here.
RIKER: I'm sorry you feel that way. We just came to get our people. We won't cause you any more trouble.
We don't ultimately know what happens to Hugh, however. This exchange is at the end of the episode
HUGH: Perhaps my encounter with the Enterprise affected me more than I realised.
PICARD: What will you do now?
HUGH: I don't know. We can't go back to the Borg Collective, and we no longer have a leader here.
PICARD: I'm not sure that's true.
HUGH: Perhaps in time, we will learn to function as individuals and work together as a group.
PICARD: Good luck, Hugh.
HUGH: Goodbye.
answered Sep 6 at 14:54
Machavity
23.7k573130
answered Sep 6 at 14:54
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answered Sep 6 at 14:54
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answered Sep 6 at 14:54
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So their impact is never shown fully reaching completely throughout the Collective? Just locally with whatever drones were able to be manipulated by Lore?
– TheIronCheek
Sep 6 at 15:58
4
The story implied the modified Borg ship was disconnected from the collective once they began to exert individuality. Neither DS9, nor Voyager, ever dealt with any direct fallout from Hugh. The only other individual Borg shown (not having been disconnected or individualized) was the Borg Queen
– Machavity
Sep 6 at 16:02
1
I could be wrong, but I always thought the "individuality virus" was limited to the Borg cube that rescued Hugh. Out of that entire cube, perhaps 30-40 drones survived the chaos and ended up on the planet with him & Lore. A good virus needs time to propagate throughout the population in order to be effective.
– Omegacron
Sep 6 at 22:48
1
@Omegacron It's not clear if they disconnected from The Collective or The Collective disconnected from them. But, yes, we never see any evidence it spread to the broader Collective
– Machavity
Sep 7 at 0:14
1
Is it ever stated whether Unimatrix Zero is or isn't related to Hugh?
– OrangeDog
Sep 7 at 11:08
 |Â
show 1 more comment
So their impact is never shown fully reaching completely throughout the Collective? Just locally with whatever drones were able to be manipulated by Lore?
– TheIronCheek
Sep 6 at 15:58
4
The story implied the modified Borg ship was disconnected from the collective once they began to exert individuality. Neither DS9, nor Voyager, ever dealt with any direct fallout from Hugh. The only other individual Borg shown (not having been disconnected or individualized) was the Borg Queen
– Machavity
Sep 6 at 16:02
1
I could be wrong, but I always thought the "individuality virus" was limited to the Borg cube that rescued Hugh. Out of that entire cube, perhaps 30-40 drones survived the chaos and ended up on the planet with him & Lore. A good virus needs time to propagate throughout the population in order to be effective.
– Omegacron
Sep 6 at 22:48
1
@Omegacron It's not clear if they disconnected from The Collective or The Collective disconnected from them. But, yes, we never see any evidence it spread to the broader Collective
– Machavity
Sep 7 at 0:14
1
Is it ever stated whether Unimatrix Zero is or isn't related to Hugh?
– OrangeDog
Sep 7 at 11:08
So their impact is never shown fully reaching completely throughout the Collective? Just locally with whatever drones were able to be manipulated by Lore?
– TheIronCheek
Sep 6 at 15:58
So their impact is never shown fully reaching completely throughout the Collective? Just locally with whatever drones were able to be manipulated by Lore?
– TheIronCheek
Sep 6 at 15:58
4
4
The story implied the modified Borg ship was disconnected from the collective once they began to exert individuality. Neither DS9, nor Voyager, ever dealt with any direct fallout from Hugh. The only other individual Borg shown (not having been disconnected or individualized) was the Borg Queen
– Machavity
Sep 6 at 16:02
The story implied the modified Borg ship was disconnected from the collective once they began to exert individuality. Neither DS9, nor Voyager, ever dealt with any direct fallout from Hugh. The only other individual Borg shown (not having been disconnected or individualized) was the Borg Queen
– Machavity
Sep 6 at 16:02
1
1
I could be wrong, but I always thought the "individuality virus" was limited to the Borg cube that rescued Hugh. Out of that entire cube, perhaps 30-40 drones survived the chaos and ended up on the planet with him & Lore. A good virus needs time to propagate throughout the population in order to be effective.
– Omegacron
Sep 6 at 22:48
I could be wrong, but I always thought the "individuality virus" was limited to the Borg cube that rescued Hugh. Out of that entire cube, perhaps 30-40 drones survived the chaos and ended up on the planet with him & Lore. A good virus needs time to propagate throughout the population in order to be effective.
– Omegacron
Sep 6 at 22:48
1
1
@Omegacron It's not clear if they disconnected from The Collective or The Collective disconnected from them. But, yes, we never see any evidence it spread to the broader Collective
– Machavity
Sep 7 at 0:14
@Omegacron It's not clear if they disconnected from The Collective or The Collective disconnected from them. But, yes, we never see any evidence it spread to the broader Collective
– Machavity
Sep 7 at 0:14
1
1
Is it ever stated whether Unimatrix Zero is or isn't related to Hugh?
– OrangeDog
Sep 7 at 11:08
Is it ever stated whether Unimatrix Zero is or isn't related to Hugh?
– OrangeDog
Sep 7 at 11:08
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