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Last winter in Japan, some of my friends were buying bracelets like this, that claim to prevent or reduce static shocks:
Here is an advertisement picture describing how it is supposed to be used, please note that unlike ground bracelets, it is not connected to anything but your wrist:
Here is the science behind it:
My translation:
This is a static electricity prevention bracelet, it reduces the disagreeable "pachipachi" during dry winters.
It works by dispersing the body's charges into the air.
Wear it directly on the skin. You can hope for most efficient when not covered completely with clothes.
In the figure, the text in red reads "conductive fabric" and the text at the right reads "extra electrons fly away".
Question: Is this claim (reduce static shocks with just a small non-grounded bracelet) possibly true?
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Last winter in Japan, some of my friends were buying bracelets like this, that claim to prevent or reduce static shocks:
Here is an advertisement picture describing how it is supposed to be used, please note that unlike ground bracelets, it is not connected to anything but your wrist:
Here is the science behind it:
My translation:
This is a static electricity prevention bracelet, it reduces the disagreeable "pachipachi" during dry winters.
It works by dispersing the body's charges into the air.
Wear it directly on the skin. You can hope for most efficient when not covered completely with clothes.
In the figure, the text in red reads "conductive fabric" and the text at the right reads "extra electrons fly away".
Question: Is this claim (reduce static shocks with just a small non-grounded bracelet) possibly true?
physics electromagnetism clothing
asked Aug 10 at 8:28
nic
691618
add a comment |Â
up vote
65
down vote
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up vote
65
down vote
favorite
Last winter in Japan, some of my friends were buying bracelets like this, that claim to prevent or reduce static shocks:
Here is an advertisement picture describing how it is supposed to be used, please note that unlike ground bracelets, it is not connected to anything but your wrist:
Here is the science behind it:
My translation:
This is a static electricity prevention bracelet, it reduces the disagreeable "pachipachi" during dry winters.
It works by dispersing the body's charges into the air.
Wear it directly on the skin. You can hope for most efficient when not covered completely with clothes.
In the figure, the text in red reads "conductive fabric" and the text at the right reads "extra electrons fly away".
Question: Is this claim (reduce static shocks with just a small non-grounded bracelet) possibly true?
physics electromagnetism clothing
asked Aug 10 at 8:28
nic
691618
Last winter in Japan, some of my friends were buying bracelets like this, that claim to prevent or reduce static shocks:
Here is an advertisement picture describing how it is supposed to be used, please note that unlike ground bracelets, it is not connected to anything but your wrist:
Here is the science behind it:
My translation:
This is a static electricity prevention bracelet, it reduces the disagreeable "pachipachi" during dry winters.
It works by dispersing the body's charges into the air.
Wear it directly on the skin. You can hope for most efficient when not covered completely with clothes.
In the figure, the text in red reads "conductive fabric" and the text at the right reads "extra electrons fly away".
Question: Is this claim (reduce static shocks with just a small non-grounded bracelet) possibly true?
physics electromagnetism clothing
asked Aug 10 at 8:28
nic
691618
edited Aug 11 at 15:21
asked Aug 10 at 8:28
nic
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asked Aug 10 at 8:28
nic
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asked Aug 10 at 8:28
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No, it is not true
On the Wikipedia page on "Antistatic Device" there were several references to these kinds of things having been examined in a serious manner.
ESD Journal
It is our opinion that no currently available methods or devices exist which will effectively ground a person without a tethered cord to ground or at least a large capacitance.
Sorry! Something that sounds too good to be true probably is.
ESD Systems FAQ
No. This is not a viable ESD control device to employ in ESD safe areas. These passive "wireless" wrist straps have severe limitations. Assuming you were tribocharged to 10 KV and wearing the "wireless" wrist strap, it would take many hours (days even depending on the ambient RH) to get you below 5 KV, never the less 10 Volts. Most (if not all) of the charge reduction would be due to natural recombination of the charges on your skin (and now metal casing of your "wireless" wrist strap) with the air molecules and the natural conductance of the air through water vapor content (RH).
P.S. You could get the same effect by cutting your hair to about 1/4" long and then putting conductive jell in your hair. The ends of your now conductive hair would act like corona discharge points at extremely high voltages to bleed current into the air or help to enhance the natural recombination process. The fact that your hair would need to come in very close proximity [0.1 to 1.5 inches] to ground or any other potential with at least a 3 Kilovolt difference (due to the dielectric strength of air) or enhancing the natural conductivity of the air needs to be considered to even get you down below a few KV.
EDIT: Thank you to 0xDBFB7 for sharing this video (spicy language, like "bullshit"); it is yet another review of a supposed wireless wrist strap charge dissipator.
answered Aug 10 at 8:39
MichaelK
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For reference, you can feel static discharge at voltages as low as 3 kV, so according to the second quote these bracelets aren't even effective at reducing static shock. (Which is a significantly lower bar than "safe for protection when working with ESD-sensitive devices".)
– Ajedi32
Aug 10 at 13:53
1
See also this video from the excellent Dave Jones: youtube.com/watch?v=nvgW5iWXbts
– 0xDBFB7
Aug 10 at 14:49
27
Just as a note, the packaging does not indicate nor suggest that this is acceptable for ESD protection. It seems to be marketed solely as an electrostatic shock reduction device for everyday life.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 15:53
5
@MichaelK, I wasn't suggesting that it works nor that your answer is wrong. I was simply pointing out that there are very different thresholds between the amount of static required for damage to electronic devices and what one feels in a normal static shock.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 16:19
9
This isn't one of them, but there are antistatic devices that are essentially just a conductive service that you hold so the shock is not painful (or even imperceptible). You can often do the same thing with a coin. They aren't grounding devices, and are entirely unsuitable for ESD protection, but are intended so it doesn't hurt to touch, say, doorknobs.
– Zach Lipton
Aug 10 at 22:54
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1 Answer
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active
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active
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active
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up vote
94
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No, it is not true
On the Wikipedia page on "Antistatic Device" there were several references to these kinds of things having been examined in a serious manner.
ESD Journal
It is our opinion that no currently available methods or devices exist which will effectively ground a person without a tethered cord to ground or at least a large capacitance.
Sorry! Something that sounds too good to be true probably is.
ESD Systems FAQ
No. This is not a viable ESD control device to employ in ESD safe areas. These passive "wireless" wrist straps have severe limitations. Assuming you were tribocharged to 10 KV and wearing the "wireless" wrist strap, it would take many hours (days even depending on the ambient RH) to get you below 5 KV, never the less 10 Volts. Most (if not all) of the charge reduction would be due to natural recombination of the charges on your skin (and now metal casing of your "wireless" wrist strap) with the air molecules and the natural conductance of the air through water vapor content (RH).
P.S. You could get the same effect by cutting your hair to about 1/4" long and then putting conductive jell in your hair. The ends of your now conductive hair would act like corona discharge points at extremely high voltages to bleed current into the air or help to enhance the natural recombination process. The fact that your hair would need to come in very close proximity [0.1 to 1.5 inches] to ground or any other potential with at least a 3 Kilovolt difference (due to the dielectric strength of air) or enhancing the natural conductivity of the air needs to be considered to even get you down below a few KV.
EDIT: Thank you to 0xDBFB7 for sharing this video (spicy language, like "bullshit"); it is yet another review of a supposed wireless wrist strap charge dissipator.
answered Aug 10 at 8:39
MichaelK
4,73422234
For reference, you can feel static discharge at voltages as low as 3 kV, so according to the second quote these bracelets aren't even effective at reducing static shock. (Which is a significantly lower bar than "safe for protection when working with ESD-sensitive devices".)
– Ajedi32
Aug 10 at 13:53
1
See also this video from the excellent Dave Jones: youtube.com/watch?v=nvgW5iWXbts
– 0xDBFB7
Aug 10 at 14:49
27
Just as a note, the packaging does not indicate nor suggest that this is acceptable for ESD protection. It seems to be marketed solely as an electrostatic shock reduction device for everyday life.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 15:53
5
@MichaelK, I wasn't suggesting that it works nor that your answer is wrong. I was simply pointing out that there are very different thresholds between the amount of static required for damage to electronic devices and what one feels in a normal static shock.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 16:19
9
This isn't one of them, but there are antistatic devices that are essentially just a conductive service that you hold so the shock is not painful (or even imperceptible). You can often do the same thing with a coin. They aren't grounding devices, and are entirely unsuitable for ESD protection, but are intended so it doesn't hurt to touch, say, doorknobs.
– Zach Lipton
Aug 10 at 22:54
 |Â
show 6 more comments
up vote
94
down vote
No, it is not true
On the Wikipedia page on "Antistatic Device" there were several references to these kinds of things having been examined in a serious manner.
ESD Journal
It is our opinion that no currently available methods or devices exist which will effectively ground a person without a tethered cord to ground or at least a large capacitance.
Sorry! Something that sounds too good to be true probably is.
ESD Systems FAQ
No. This is not a viable ESD control device to employ in ESD safe areas. These passive "wireless" wrist straps have severe limitations. Assuming you were tribocharged to 10 KV and wearing the "wireless" wrist strap, it would take many hours (days even depending on the ambient RH) to get you below 5 KV, never the less 10 Volts. Most (if not all) of the charge reduction would be due to natural recombination of the charges on your skin (and now metal casing of your "wireless" wrist strap) with the air molecules and the natural conductance of the air through water vapor content (RH).
P.S. You could get the same effect by cutting your hair to about 1/4" long and then putting conductive jell in your hair. The ends of your now conductive hair would act like corona discharge points at extremely high voltages to bleed current into the air or help to enhance the natural recombination process. The fact that your hair would need to come in very close proximity [0.1 to 1.5 inches] to ground or any other potential with at least a 3 Kilovolt difference (due to the dielectric strength of air) or enhancing the natural conductivity of the air needs to be considered to even get you down below a few KV.
EDIT: Thank you to 0xDBFB7 for sharing this video (spicy language, like "bullshit"); it is yet another review of a supposed wireless wrist strap charge dissipator.
answered Aug 10 at 8:39
MichaelK
4,73422234
For reference, you can feel static discharge at voltages as low as 3 kV, so according to the second quote these bracelets aren't even effective at reducing static shock. (Which is a significantly lower bar than "safe for protection when working with ESD-sensitive devices".)
– Ajedi32
Aug 10 at 13:53
1
See also this video from the excellent Dave Jones: youtube.com/watch?v=nvgW5iWXbts
– 0xDBFB7
Aug 10 at 14:49
27
Just as a note, the packaging does not indicate nor suggest that this is acceptable for ESD protection. It seems to be marketed solely as an electrostatic shock reduction device for everyday life.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 15:53
5
@MichaelK, I wasn't suggesting that it works nor that your answer is wrong. I was simply pointing out that there are very different thresholds between the amount of static required for damage to electronic devices and what one feels in a normal static shock.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 16:19
9
This isn't one of them, but there are antistatic devices that are essentially just a conductive service that you hold so the shock is not painful (or even imperceptible). You can often do the same thing with a coin. They aren't grounding devices, and are entirely unsuitable for ESD protection, but are intended so it doesn't hurt to touch, say, doorknobs.
– Zach Lipton
Aug 10 at 22:54
 |Â
show 6 more comments
up vote
94
down vote
up vote
94
down vote
No, it is not true
On the Wikipedia page on "Antistatic Device" there were several references to these kinds of things having been examined in a serious manner.
ESD Journal
It is our opinion that no currently available methods or devices exist which will effectively ground a person without a tethered cord to ground or at least a large capacitance.
Sorry! Something that sounds too good to be true probably is.
ESD Systems FAQ
No. This is not a viable ESD control device to employ in ESD safe areas. These passive "wireless" wrist straps have severe limitations. Assuming you were tribocharged to 10 KV and wearing the "wireless" wrist strap, it would take many hours (days even depending on the ambient RH) to get you below 5 KV, never the less 10 Volts. Most (if not all) of the charge reduction would be due to natural recombination of the charges on your skin (and now metal casing of your "wireless" wrist strap) with the air molecules and the natural conductance of the air through water vapor content (RH).
P.S. You could get the same effect by cutting your hair to about 1/4" long and then putting conductive jell in your hair. The ends of your now conductive hair would act like corona discharge points at extremely high voltages to bleed current into the air or help to enhance the natural recombination process. The fact that your hair would need to come in very close proximity [0.1 to 1.5 inches] to ground or any other potential with at least a 3 Kilovolt difference (due to the dielectric strength of air) or enhancing the natural conductivity of the air needs to be considered to even get you down below a few KV.
EDIT: Thank you to 0xDBFB7 for sharing this video (spicy language, like "bullshit"); it is yet another review of a supposed wireless wrist strap charge dissipator.
answered Aug 10 at 8:39
MichaelK
4,73422234
No, it is not true
On the Wikipedia page on "Antistatic Device" there were several references to these kinds of things having been examined in a serious manner.
ESD Journal
It is our opinion that no currently available methods or devices exist which will effectively ground a person without a tethered cord to ground or at least a large capacitance.
Sorry! Something that sounds too good to be true probably is.
ESD Systems FAQ
No. This is not a viable ESD control device to employ in ESD safe areas. These passive "wireless" wrist straps have severe limitations. Assuming you were tribocharged to 10 KV and wearing the "wireless" wrist strap, it would take many hours (days even depending on the ambient RH) to get you below 5 KV, never the less 10 Volts. Most (if not all) of the charge reduction would be due to natural recombination of the charges on your skin (and now metal casing of your "wireless" wrist strap) with the air molecules and the natural conductance of the air through water vapor content (RH).
P.S. You could get the same effect by cutting your hair to about 1/4" long and then putting conductive jell in your hair. The ends of your now conductive hair would act like corona discharge points at extremely high voltages to bleed current into the air or help to enhance the natural recombination process. The fact that your hair would need to come in very close proximity [0.1 to 1.5 inches] to ground or any other potential with at least a 3 Kilovolt difference (due to the dielectric strength of air) or enhancing the natural conductivity of the air needs to be considered to even get you down below a few KV.
EDIT: Thank you to 0xDBFB7 for sharing this video (spicy language, like "bullshit"); it is yet another review of a supposed wireless wrist strap charge dissipator.
answered Aug 10 at 8:39
MichaelK
4,73422234
edited Aug 13 at 8:41
answered Aug 10 at 8:39
MichaelK
4,73422234
answered Aug 10 at 8:39
MichaelK
4,73422234
answered Aug 10 at 8:39
MichaelK
4,73422234
4,73422234
For reference, you can feel static discharge at voltages as low as 3 kV, so according to the second quote these bracelets aren't even effective at reducing static shock. (Which is a significantly lower bar than "safe for protection when working with ESD-sensitive devices".)
– Ajedi32
Aug 10 at 13:53
1
See also this video from the excellent Dave Jones: youtube.com/watch?v=nvgW5iWXbts
– 0xDBFB7
Aug 10 at 14:49
27
Just as a note, the packaging does not indicate nor suggest that this is acceptable for ESD protection. It seems to be marketed solely as an electrostatic shock reduction device for everyday life.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 15:53
5
@MichaelK, I wasn't suggesting that it works nor that your answer is wrong. I was simply pointing out that there are very different thresholds between the amount of static required for damage to electronic devices and what one feels in a normal static shock.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 16:19
9
This isn't one of them, but there are antistatic devices that are essentially just a conductive service that you hold so the shock is not painful (or even imperceptible). You can often do the same thing with a coin. They aren't grounding devices, and are entirely unsuitable for ESD protection, but are intended so it doesn't hurt to touch, say, doorknobs.
– Zach Lipton
Aug 10 at 22:54
 |Â
show 6 more comments
For reference, you can feel static discharge at voltages as low as 3 kV, so according to the second quote these bracelets aren't even effective at reducing static shock. (Which is a significantly lower bar than "safe for protection when working with ESD-sensitive devices".)
– Ajedi32
Aug 10 at 13:53
1
See also this video from the excellent Dave Jones: youtube.com/watch?v=nvgW5iWXbts
– 0xDBFB7
Aug 10 at 14:49
27
Just as a note, the packaging does not indicate nor suggest that this is acceptable for ESD protection. It seems to be marketed solely as an electrostatic shock reduction device for everyday life.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 15:53
5
@MichaelK, I wasn't suggesting that it works nor that your answer is wrong. I was simply pointing out that there are very different thresholds between the amount of static required for damage to electronic devices and what one feels in a normal static shock.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 16:19
9
This isn't one of them, but there are antistatic devices that are essentially just a conductive service that you hold so the shock is not painful (or even imperceptible). You can often do the same thing with a coin. They aren't grounding devices, and are entirely unsuitable for ESD protection, but are intended so it doesn't hurt to touch, say, doorknobs.
– Zach Lipton
Aug 10 at 22:54
For reference, you can feel static discharge at voltages as low as 3 kV, so according to the second quote these bracelets aren't even effective at reducing static shock. (Which is a significantly lower bar than "safe for protection when working with ESD-sensitive devices".)
– Ajedi32
Aug 10 at 13:53
For reference, you can feel static discharge at voltages as low as 3 kV, so according to the second quote these bracelets aren't even effective at reducing static shock. (Which is a significantly lower bar than "safe for protection when working with ESD-sensitive devices".)
– Ajedi32
Aug 10 at 13:53
1
1
See also this video from the excellent Dave Jones: youtube.com/watch?v=nvgW5iWXbts
– 0xDBFB7
Aug 10 at 14:49
See also this video from the excellent Dave Jones: youtube.com/watch?v=nvgW5iWXbts
– 0xDBFB7
Aug 10 at 14:49
27
27
Just as a note, the packaging does not indicate nor suggest that this is acceptable for ESD protection. It seems to be marketed solely as an electrostatic shock reduction device for everyday life.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 15:53
Just as a note, the packaging does not indicate nor suggest that this is acceptable for ESD protection. It seems to be marketed solely as an electrostatic shock reduction device for everyday life.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 15:53
5
5
@MichaelK, I wasn't suggesting that it works nor that your answer is wrong. I was simply pointing out that there are very different thresholds between the amount of static required for damage to electronic devices and what one feels in a normal static shock.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 16:19
@MichaelK, I wasn't suggesting that it works nor that your answer is wrong. I was simply pointing out that there are very different thresholds between the amount of static required for damage to electronic devices and what one feels in a normal static shock.
– CramerTV
Aug 10 at 16:19
9
9
This isn't one of them, but there are antistatic devices that are essentially just a conductive service that you hold so the shock is not painful (or even imperceptible). You can often do the same thing with a coin. They aren't grounding devices, and are entirely unsuitable for ESD protection, but are intended so it doesn't hurt to touch, say, doorknobs.
– Zach Lipton
Aug 10 at 22:54
This isn't one of them, but there are antistatic devices that are essentially just a conductive service that you hold so the shock is not painful (or even imperceptible). You can often do the same thing with a coin. They aren't grounding devices, and are entirely unsuitable for ESD protection, but are intended so it doesn't hurt to touch, say, doorknobs.
– Zach Lipton
Aug 10 at 22:54
 |Â
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