What is called for those who have not realized their Saguna or Nirguna bodies?

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Whoever has awakened to the true nature of their being is called Brahman in Hindu.

What is the called for those, who have not awakened to the true Nature ?







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  • one who is in bondage is said to be a baddhAtma
    – SudarshanaSuri
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  • one in bondage who is devout in their search for truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu
    – SudarshanaSuri
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  • Samsari is the word you're looking for. But as @SudarshanaSuri mentioned, Mumukshu is someone who is not yet enlightened but is on the path.
    – Arkaprabha Majumdar
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  • It should be Saguna. I have edited it.
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    @JamieClinton Brahmin is social class, Brahman is the ultimate reality in Hinduism.
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Whoever has awakened to the true nature of their being is called Brahman in Hindu.

What is the called for those, who have not awakened to the true Nature ?







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  • one who is in bondage is said to be a baddhAtma
    – SudarshanaSuri
    Aug 10 at 10:31










  • one in bondage who is devout in their search for truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu
    – SudarshanaSuri
    Aug 10 at 10:40











  • Samsari is the word you're looking for. But as @SudarshanaSuri mentioned, Mumukshu is someone who is not yet enlightened but is on the path.
    – Arkaprabha Majumdar
    Aug 10 at 11:35










  • It should be Saguna. I have edited it.
    – Rickross
    Aug 10 at 12:14






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    @JamieClinton Brahmin is social class, Brahman is the ultimate reality in Hinduism.
    – Chinmay Sarupria
    Aug 10 at 18:27












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Whoever has awakened to the true nature of their being is called Brahman in Hindu.

What is the called for those, who have not awakened to the true Nature ?







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  • one who is in bondage is said to be a baddhAtma
    – SudarshanaSuri
    Aug 10 at 10:31










  • one in bondage who is devout in their search for truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu
    – SudarshanaSuri
    Aug 10 at 10:40











  • Samsari is the word you're looking for. But as @SudarshanaSuri mentioned, Mumukshu is someone who is not yet enlightened but is on the path.
    – Arkaprabha Majumdar
    Aug 10 at 11:35










  • It should be Saguna. I have edited it.
    – Rickross
    Aug 10 at 12:14






  • 1




    @JamieClinton Brahmin is social class, Brahman is the ultimate reality in Hinduism.
    – Chinmay Sarupria
    Aug 10 at 18:27
















  • one who is in bondage is said to be a baddhAtma
    – SudarshanaSuri
    Aug 10 at 10:31










  • one in bondage who is devout in their search for truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu
    – SudarshanaSuri
    Aug 10 at 10:40











  • Samsari is the word you're looking for. But as @SudarshanaSuri mentioned, Mumukshu is someone who is not yet enlightened but is on the path.
    – Arkaprabha Majumdar
    Aug 10 at 11:35










  • It should be Saguna. I have edited it.
    – Rickross
    Aug 10 at 12:14






  • 1




    @JamieClinton Brahmin is social class, Brahman is the ultimate reality in Hinduism.
    – Chinmay Sarupria
    Aug 10 at 18:27















one who is in bondage is said to be a baddhAtma
– SudarshanaSuri
Aug 10 at 10:31




one who is in bondage is said to be a baddhAtma
– SudarshanaSuri
Aug 10 at 10:31












one in bondage who is devout in their search for truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu
– SudarshanaSuri
Aug 10 at 10:40





one in bondage who is devout in their search for truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu
– SudarshanaSuri
Aug 10 at 10:40













Samsari is the word you're looking for. But as @SudarshanaSuri mentioned, Mumukshu is someone who is not yet enlightened but is on the path.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 10 at 11:35




Samsari is the word you're looking for. But as @SudarshanaSuri mentioned, Mumukshu is someone who is not yet enlightened but is on the path.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 10 at 11:35












It should be Saguna. I have edited it.
– Rickross
Aug 10 at 12:14




It should be Saguna. I have edited it.
– Rickross
Aug 10 at 12:14




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@JamieClinton Brahmin is social class, Brahman is the ultimate reality in Hinduism.
– Chinmay Sarupria
Aug 10 at 18:27




@JamieClinton Brahmin is social class, Brahman is the ultimate reality in Hinduism.
– Chinmay Sarupria
Aug 10 at 18:27










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There can be many obvious terms for non-realized beings, as "deluded" or "covered by ignorance" or "bound".




BG 5.15 - The Omnipresent neither accepts anybody's sin nor even virtue. Knowledge remains covered by ignorance. Thus the creatures become deluded.

BG 3.27 — All actions are enacted in Prakruti by [3] modes (guna-s). Bound by ego(false identity), the self(Atma) believes "'I' am the doer".




But there is no official term as such. :-)

BTW, Nirguna viz. quality-less cannot have a body which is a quality. So it cannot be realized as such






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    Many words are used. In general a realized person is known in the scriptures as Atma GyAni, Tattvavid, TattvagyAni, Mukto etc.



    Opposites will be Baddha (bound), agyAni (ooposite of GyAni) etc.



    Have a look at the following verse (from KulArnava Tantram 9.42):




    Jivah shivah shivo jivah sa jivah kevalah shivah |

    PAshabaddhah smrito jivah pAshamuktah sadAshivah ||






    The Jiva is Shiva; Shiva is Jiva; The Jiva is the Advitya (one without a
    second) Shiva only. When the Jiva is bound by the PAshas (bondage)
    it's Jiva and released of the PAshas it's SadAshiva.




    So, Baddhah is used in this verse as the opposite of Mukto (liberated).



    The purport is we are Jiva only as long as we are bound by the PAshas and we are none other than the Brahman himself once we are released of the bondages.






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      One who is in bondage is referred to as baddhAtma. One in bondage who is devout in their search of truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu.



      Reference: Artha Panchakam (Verse 3 and 5, you can read from here)




      (3). The Baddhas, or the bound, are those souls who are turned away from the Bhagavan (God): (1) by reason
      of their illusorily identifying their selves (souls) with the bodies which they wear; constituted as these
      bodies are of the five material elements - impermanent cause of joy and grief - corrupt, so that in the
      absense of the indwindling spirit (soul), they are unfit for the sight or touch - and which breed the mental
      aberrations, such as ignorence (ajnAna), misapprehension (anyathA-jnAna) and reversed apprehension
      (viparitha-jnAna) and (2) by reason of their notion that pandering to the pleasures of the body (catered to
      by the five fold thralls of objects, sound, touch sight, taste and smell) is the be-all and end-all of their
      existence. To secure such pleasures of senses, they infringe all the salutary dictates comprised in the
      system known as varna and Asrama, become slaves to worldlings, inflict cruelty on creatures, seize
      others's wifes and wealth, and thus swell the ranks of the mundane.



      (5). The Mumuksus, or the Would-be Free, are those souls in whom the longing desire for salvation (i.e.
      reaching Bhagavan) has arisen. These are the two classes, viz. the UpAsakas, or the Strivers, and the
      Prapannas, or the Resigned. The former seek salvation by self-effort, and the latter leave the same to
      Bhagavan's (God's) care. The former thinks of salvation as his concern, whereas the latter thinks of it as
      His concern.







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      • Can you add exact reference to verse from Artha Panchakam?
        – Pandya♦
        Aug 17 at 10:39










      • @Pandya The verses and their translation are given in the document I've linked above. Feel free to edit them into the answer (I'm getting font issues when I tried).
        – SudarshanaSuri
        Aug 17 at 11:24










      • I think 3rd not 2nd for Baddhas, just added.
        – Pandya♦
        Aug 17 at 11:31










      • So you are also unable to copy the tamizh verses? @Pandya
        – SudarshanaSuri
        Aug 17 at 11:34











      • will add later, somewhat busy.
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      There can be many obvious terms for non-realized beings, as "deluded" or "covered by ignorance" or "bound".




      BG 5.15 - The Omnipresent neither accepts anybody's sin nor even virtue. Knowledge remains covered by ignorance. Thus the creatures become deluded.

      BG 3.27 — All actions are enacted in Prakruti by [3] modes (guna-s). Bound by ego(false identity), the self(Atma) believes "'I' am the doer".




      But there is no official term as such. :-)

      BTW, Nirguna viz. quality-less cannot have a body which is a quality. So it cannot be realized as such






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        There can be many obvious terms for non-realized beings, as "deluded" or "covered by ignorance" or "bound".




        BG 5.15 - The Omnipresent neither accepts anybody's sin nor even virtue. Knowledge remains covered by ignorance. Thus the creatures become deluded.

        BG 3.27 — All actions are enacted in Prakruti by [3] modes (guna-s). Bound by ego(false identity), the self(Atma) believes "'I' am the doer".




        But there is no official term as such. :-)

        BTW, Nirguna viz. quality-less cannot have a body which is a quality. So it cannot be realized as such






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          There can be many obvious terms for non-realized beings, as "deluded" or "covered by ignorance" or "bound".




          BG 5.15 - The Omnipresent neither accepts anybody's sin nor even virtue. Knowledge remains covered by ignorance. Thus the creatures become deluded.

          BG 3.27 — All actions are enacted in Prakruti by [3] modes (guna-s). Bound by ego(false identity), the self(Atma) believes "'I' am the doer".




          But there is no official term as such. :-)

          BTW, Nirguna viz. quality-less cannot have a body which is a quality. So it cannot be realized as such






          share|improve this answer












          There can be many obvious terms for non-realized beings, as "deluded" or "covered by ignorance" or "bound".




          BG 5.15 - The Omnipresent neither accepts anybody's sin nor even virtue. Knowledge remains covered by ignorance. Thus the creatures become deluded.

          BG 3.27 — All actions are enacted in Prakruti by [3] modes (guna-s). Bound by ego(false identity), the self(Atma) believes "'I' am the doer".




          But there is no official term as such. :-)

          BTW, Nirguna viz. quality-less cannot have a body which is a quality. So it cannot be realized as such







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              Many words are used. In general a realized person is known in the scriptures as Atma GyAni, Tattvavid, TattvagyAni, Mukto etc.



              Opposites will be Baddha (bound), agyAni (ooposite of GyAni) etc.



              Have a look at the following verse (from KulArnava Tantram 9.42):




              Jivah shivah shivo jivah sa jivah kevalah shivah |

              PAshabaddhah smrito jivah pAshamuktah sadAshivah ||






              The Jiva is Shiva; Shiva is Jiva; The Jiva is the Advitya (one without a
              second) Shiva only. When the Jiva is bound by the PAshas (bondage)
              it's Jiva and released of the PAshas it's SadAshiva.




              So, Baddhah is used in this verse as the opposite of Mukto (liberated).



              The purport is we are Jiva only as long as we are bound by the PAshas and we are none other than the Brahman himself once we are released of the bondages.






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                Many words are used. In general a realized person is known in the scriptures as Atma GyAni, Tattvavid, TattvagyAni, Mukto etc.



                Opposites will be Baddha (bound), agyAni (ooposite of GyAni) etc.



                Have a look at the following verse (from KulArnava Tantram 9.42):




                Jivah shivah shivo jivah sa jivah kevalah shivah |

                PAshabaddhah smrito jivah pAshamuktah sadAshivah ||






                The Jiva is Shiva; Shiva is Jiva; The Jiva is the Advitya (one without a
                second) Shiva only. When the Jiva is bound by the PAshas (bondage)
                it's Jiva and released of the PAshas it's SadAshiva.




                So, Baddhah is used in this verse as the opposite of Mukto (liberated).



                The purport is we are Jiva only as long as we are bound by the PAshas and we are none other than the Brahman himself once we are released of the bondages.






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                  Many words are used. In general a realized person is known in the scriptures as Atma GyAni, Tattvavid, TattvagyAni, Mukto etc.



                  Opposites will be Baddha (bound), agyAni (ooposite of GyAni) etc.



                  Have a look at the following verse (from KulArnava Tantram 9.42):




                  Jivah shivah shivo jivah sa jivah kevalah shivah |

                  PAshabaddhah smrito jivah pAshamuktah sadAshivah ||






                  The Jiva is Shiva; Shiva is Jiva; The Jiva is the Advitya (one without a
                  second) Shiva only. When the Jiva is bound by the PAshas (bondage)
                  it's Jiva and released of the PAshas it's SadAshiva.




                  So, Baddhah is used in this verse as the opposite of Mukto (liberated).



                  The purport is we are Jiva only as long as we are bound by the PAshas and we are none other than the Brahman himself once we are released of the bondages.






                  share|improve this answer












                  Many words are used. In general a realized person is known in the scriptures as Atma GyAni, Tattvavid, TattvagyAni, Mukto etc.



                  Opposites will be Baddha (bound), agyAni (ooposite of GyAni) etc.



                  Have a look at the following verse (from KulArnava Tantram 9.42):




                  Jivah shivah shivo jivah sa jivah kevalah shivah |

                  PAshabaddhah smrito jivah pAshamuktah sadAshivah ||






                  The Jiva is Shiva; Shiva is Jiva; The Jiva is the Advitya (one without a
                  second) Shiva only. When the Jiva is bound by the PAshas (bondage)
                  it's Jiva and released of the PAshas it's SadAshiva.




                  So, Baddhah is used in this verse as the opposite of Mukto (liberated).



                  The purport is we are Jiva only as long as we are bound by the PAshas and we are none other than the Brahman himself once we are released of the bondages.







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                      One who is in bondage is referred to as baddhAtma. One in bondage who is devout in their search of truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu.



                      Reference: Artha Panchakam (Verse 3 and 5, you can read from here)




                      (3). The Baddhas, or the bound, are those souls who are turned away from the Bhagavan (God): (1) by reason
                      of their illusorily identifying their selves (souls) with the bodies which they wear; constituted as these
                      bodies are of the five material elements - impermanent cause of joy and grief - corrupt, so that in the
                      absense of the indwindling spirit (soul), they are unfit for the sight or touch - and which breed the mental
                      aberrations, such as ignorence (ajnAna), misapprehension (anyathA-jnAna) and reversed apprehension
                      (viparitha-jnAna) and (2) by reason of their notion that pandering to the pleasures of the body (catered to
                      by the five fold thralls of objects, sound, touch sight, taste and smell) is the be-all and end-all of their
                      existence. To secure such pleasures of senses, they infringe all the salutary dictates comprised in the
                      system known as varna and Asrama, become slaves to worldlings, inflict cruelty on creatures, seize
                      others's wifes and wealth, and thus swell the ranks of the mundane.



                      (5). The Mumuksus, or the Would-be Free, are those souls in whom the longing desire for salvation (i.e.
                      reaching Bhagavan) has arisen. These are the two classes, viz. the UpAsakas, or the Strivers, and the
                      Prapannas, or the Resigned. The former seek salvation by self-effort, and the latter leave the same to
                      Bhagavan's (God's) care. The former thinks of salvation as his concern, whereas the latter thinks of it as
                      His concern.







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                      • Can you add exact reference to verse from Artha Panchakam?
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 10:39










                      • @Pandya The verses and their translation are given in the document I've linked above. Feel free to edit them into the answer (I'm getting font issues when I tried).
                        – SudarshanaSuri
                        Aug 17 at 11:24










                      • I think 3rd not 2nd for Baddhas, just added.
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 11:31










                      • So you are also unable to copy the tamizh verses? @Pandya
                        – SudarshanaSuri
                        Aug 17 at 11:34











                      • will add later, somewhat busy.
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 11:35














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                      One who is in bondage is referred to as baddhAtma. One in bondage who is devout in their search of truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu.



                      Reference: Artha Panchakam (Verse 3 and 5, you can read from here)




                      (3). The Baddhas, or the bound, are those souls who are turned away from the Bhagavan (God): (1) by reason
                      of their illusorily identifying their selves (souls) with the bodies which they wear; constituted as these
                      bodies are of the five material elements - impermanent cause of joy and grief - corrupt, so that in the
                      absense of the indwindling spirit (soul), they are unfit for the sight or touch - and which breed the mental
                      aberrations, such as ignorence (ajnAna), misapprehension (anyathA-jnAna) and reversed apprehension
                      (viparitha-jnAna) and (2) by reason of their notion that pandering to the pleasures of the body (catered to
                      by the five fold thralls of objects, sound, touch sight, taste and smell) is the be-all and end-all of their
                      existence. To secure such pleasures of senses, they infringe all the salutary dictates comprised in the
                      system known as varna and Asrama, become slaves to worldlings, inflict cruelty on creatures, seize
                      others's wifes and wealth, and thus swell the ranks of the mundane.



                      (5). The Mumuksus, or the Would-be Free, are those souls in whom the longing desire for salvation (i.e.
                      reaching Bhagavan) has arisen. These are the two classes, viz. the UpAsakas, or the Strivers, and the
                      Prapannas, or the Resigned. The former seek salvation by self-effort, and the latter leave the same to
                      Bhagavan's (God's) care. The former thinks of salvation as his concern, whereas the latter thinks of it as
                      His concern.







                      share|improve this answer






















                      • Can you add exact reference to verse from Artha Panchakam?
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 10:39










                      • @Pandya The verses and their translation are given in the document I've linked above. Feel free to edit them into the answer (I'm getting font issues when I tried).
                        – SudarshanaSuri
                        Aug 17 at 11:24










                      • I think 3rd not 2nd for Baddhas, just added.
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 11:31










                      • So you are also unable to copy the tamizh verses? @Pandya
                        – SudarshanaSuri
                        Aug 17 at 11:34











                      • will add later, somewhat busy.
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 11:35












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                      One who is in bondage is referred to as baddhAtma. One in bondage who is devout in their search of truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu.



                      Reference: Artha Panchakam (Verse 3 and 5, you can read from here)




                      (3). The Baddhas, or the bound, are those souls who are turned away from the Bhagavan (God): (1) by reason
                      of their illusorily identifying their selves (souls) with the bodies which they wear; constituted as these
                      bodies are of the five material elements - impermanent cause of joy and grief - corrupt, so that in the
                      absense of the indwindling spirit (soul), they are unfit for the sight or touch - and which breed the mental
                      aberrations, such as ignorence (ajnAna), misapprehension (anyathA-jnAna) and reversed apprehension
                      (viparitha-jnAna) and (2) by reason of their notion that pandering to the pleasures of the body (catered to
                      by the five fold thralls of objects, sound, touch sight, taste and smell) is the be-all and end-all of their
                      existence. To secure such pleasures of senses, they infringe all the salutary dictates comprised in the
                      system known as varna and Asrama, become slaves to worldlings, inflict cruelty on creatures, seize
                      others's wifes and wealth, and thus swell the ranks of the mundane.



                      (5). The Mumuksus, or the Would-be Free, are those souls in whom the longing desire for salvation (i.e.
                      reaching Bhagavan) has arisen. These are the two classes, viz. the UpAsakas, or the Strivers, and the
                      Prapannas, or the Resigned. The former seek salvation by self-effort, and the latter leave the same to
                      Bhagavan's (God's) care. The former thinks of salvation as his concern, whereas the latter thinks of it as
                      His concern.







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                      One who is in bondage is referred to as baddhAtma. One in bondage who is devout in their search of truth and knowledge for the sake of liberation is said to be a Mumukshu.



                      Reference: Artha Panchakam (Verse 3 and 5, you can read from here)




                      (3). The Baddhas, or the bound, are those souls who are turned away from the Bhagavan (God): (1) by reason
                      of their illusorily identifying their selves (souls) with the bodies which they wear; constituted as these
                      bodies are of the five material elements - impermanent cause of joy and grief - corrupt, so that in the
                      absense of the indwindling spirit (soul), they are unfit for the sight or touch - and which breed the mental
                      aberrations, such as ignorence (ajnAna), misapprehension (anyathA-jnAna) and reversed apprehension
                      (viparitha-jnAna) and (2) by reason of their notion that pandering to the pleasures of the body (catered to
                      by the five fold thralls of objects, sound, touch sight, taste and smell) is the be-all and end-all of their
                      existence. To secure such pleasures of senses, they infringe all the salutary dictates comprised in the
                      system known as varna and Asrama, become slaves to worldlings, inflict cruelty on creatures, seize
                      others's wifes and wealth, and thus swell the ranks of the mundane.



                      (5). The Mumuksus, or the Would-be Free, are those souls in whom the longing desire for salvation (i.e.
                      reaching Bhagavan) has arisen. These are the two classes, viz. the UpAsakas, or the Strivers, and the
                      Prapannas, or the Resigned. The former seek salvation by self-effort, and the latter leave the same to
                      Bhagavan's (God's) care. The former thinks of salvation as his concern, whereas the latter thinks of it as
                      His concern.








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                      • Can you add exact reference to verse from Artha Panchakam?
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 10:39










                      • @Pandya The verses and their translation are given in the document I've linked above. Feel free to edit them into the answer (I'm getting font issues when I tried).
                        – SudarshanaSuri
                        Aug 17 at 11:24










                      • I think 3rd not 2nd for Baddhas, just added.
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 11:31










                      • So you are also unable to copy the tamizh verses? @Pandya
                        – SudarshanaSuri
                        Aug 17 at 11:34











                      • will add later, somewhat busy.
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 11:35
















                      • Can you add exact reference to verse from Artha Panchakam?
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 10:39










                      • @Pandya The verses and their translation are given in the document I've linked above. Feel free to edit them into the answer (I'm getting font issues when I tried).
                        – SudarshanaSuri
                        Aug 17 at 11:24










                      • I think 3rd not 2nd for Baddhas, just added.
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 11:31










                      • So you are also unable to copy the tamizh verses? @Pandya
                        – SudarshanaSuri
                        Aug 17 at 11:34











                      • will add later, somewhat busy.
                        – Pandya♦
                        Aug 17 at 11:35















                      Can you add exact reference to verse from Artha Panchakam?
                      – Pandya♦
                      Aug 17 at 10:39




                      Can you add exact reference to verse from Artha Panchakam?
                      – Pandya♦
                      Aug 17 at 10:39












                      @Pandya The verses and their translation are given in the document I've linked above. Feel free to edit them into the answer (I'm getting font issues when I tried).
                      – SudarshanaSuri
                      Aug 17 at 11:24




                      @Pandya The verses and their translation are given in the document I've linked above. Feel free to edit them into the answer (I'm getting font issues when I tried).
                      – SudarshanaSuri
                      Aug 17 at 11:24












                      I think 3rd not 2nd for Baddhas, just added.
                      – Pandya♦
                      Aug 17 at 11:31




                      I think 3rd not 2nd for Baddhas, just added.
                      – Pandya♦
                      Aug 17 at 11:31












                      So you are also unable to copy the tamizh verses? @Pandya
                      – SudarshanaSuri
                      Aug 17 at 11:34





                      So you are also unable to copy the tamizh verses? @Pandya
                      – SudarshanaSuri
                      Aug 17 at 11:34













                      will add later, somewhat busy.
                      – Pandya♦
                      Aug 17 at 11:35




                      will add later, somewhat busy.
                      – Pandya♦
                      Aug 17 at 11:35


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