Why does my bottle of Kosher grape juice say that it's 'for sacramental purposes only'?
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I recently noticed that the bottle of Kedem Kosher grape juice that I purchased has a notice on the label which reads 'FOR SACRAMENTAL PURPOSES ONLY'.
I assume this means that it's being sold to be used only for Kiddush, Havdalah or the Four Cups at the Seder.
Why is it in the company's interests to sell it in this way? Does it confer some legal, regulatory or tax advantage?
[Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?]
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I recently noticed that the bottle of Kedem Kosher grape juice that I purchased has a notice on the label which reads 'FOR SACRAMENTAL PURPOSES ONLY'.
I assume this means that it's being sold to be used only for Kiddush, Havdalah or the Four Cups at the Seder.
Why is it in the company's interests to sell it in this way? Does it confer some legal, regulatory or tax advantage?
[Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?]
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I recommend you ask the manufacturer.
â msh210â¦
Aug 9 at 14:10
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@JoelK As an aside, if youâÂÂre interested in privacy, you might want to post a different picture that doesnâÂÂt have that receipt in it, which kinda gives away your general location.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 15:21
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Seems to me that this question is not relevant to the site as it is more relevant to non-Jewish tax law than Judaism. There may be a Judaic interest in the "Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?"
â Avrohom Yitzchok
Aug 9 at 16:56
5
@AvrohomYitzchok The question is about words about religion on a Jewish product's label, not about tax law, even if the answer is about tax law.
â Isaac Mosesâ¦
Aug 9 at 17:57
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I second @AvrohomYitzchokâÂÂs comment. The question is Jewish-motivated, but thereâÂÂs no reason necessarily to assume that a Jew using this site would know the answer. If the question were the tangential one and asking if a product marketed for sacramental purposes was used for other purposes, then I would say this is fine, but at the moment, IâÂÂm voting to close.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 22:50
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I recently noticed that the bottle of Kedem Kosher grape juice that I purchased has a notice on the label which reads 'FOR SACRAMENTAL PURPOSES ONLY'.
I assume this means that it's being sold to be used only for Kiddush, Havdalah or the Four Cups at the Seder.
Why is it in the company's interests to sell it in this way? Does it confer some legal, regulatory or tax advantage?
[Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?]
kashrut-kosher grapes-wine kiddush
I recently noticed that the bottle of Kedem Kosher grape juice that I purchased has a notice on the label which reads 'FOR SACRAMENTAL PURPOSES ONLY'.
I assume this means that it's being sold to be used only for Kiddush, Havdalah or the Four Cups at the Seder.
Why is it in the company's interests to sell it in this way? Does it confer some legal, regulatory or tax advantage?
[Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?]
kashrut-kosher grapes-wine kiddush
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Joel K
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I recommend you ask the manufacturer.
â msh210â¦
Aug 9 at 14:10
5
@JoelK As an aside, if youâÂÂre interested in privacy, you might want to post a different picture that doesnâÂÂt have that receipt in it, which kinda gives away your general location.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 15:21
1
Seems to me that this question is not relevant to the site as it is more relevant to non-Jewish tax law than Judaism. There may be a Judaic interest in the "Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?"
â Avrohom Yitzchok
Aug 9 at 16:56
5
@AvrohomYitzchok The question is about words about religion on a Jewish product's label, not about tax law, even if the answer is about tax law.
â Isaac Mosesâ¦
Aug 9 at 17:57
1
I second @AvrohomYitzchokâÂÂs comment. The question is Jewish-motivated, but thereâÂÂs no reason necessarily to assume that a Jew using this site would know the answer. If the question were the tangential one and asking if a product marketed for sacramental purposes was used for other purposes, then I would say this is fine, but at the moment, IâÂÂm voting to close.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 22:50
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I recommend you ask the manufacturer.
â msh210â¦
Aug 9 at 14:10
5
@JoelK As an aside, if youâÂÂre interested in privacy, you might want to post a different picture that doesnâÂÂt have that receipt in it, which kinda gives away your general location.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 15:21
1
Seems to me that this question is not relevant to the site as it is more relevant to non-Jewish tax law than Judaism. There may be a Judaic interest in the "Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?"
â Avrohom Yitzchok
Aug 9 at 16:56
5
@AvrohomYitzchok The question is about words about religion on a Jewish product's label, not about tax law, even if the answer is about tax law.
â Isaac Mosesâ¦
Aug 9 at 17:57
1
I second @AvrohomYitzchokâÂÂs comment. The question is Jewish-motivated, but thereâÂÂs no reason necessarily to assume that a Jew using this site would know the answer. If the question were the tangential one and asking if a product marketed for sacramental purposes was used for other purposes, then I would say this is fine, but at the moment, IâÂÂm voting to close.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 22:50
1
1
I recommend you ask the manufacturer.
â msh210â¦
Aug 9 at 14:10
I recommend you ask the manufacturer.
â msh210â¦
Aug 9 at 14:10
5
5
@JoelK As an aside, if youâÂÂre interested in privacy, you might want to post a different picture that doesnâÂÂt have that receipt in it, which kinda gives away your general location.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 15:21
@JoelK As an aside, if youâÂÂre interested in privacy, you might want to post a different picture that doesnâÂÂt have that receipt in it, which kinda gives away your general location.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 15:21
1
1
Seems to me that this question is not relevant to the site as it is more relevant to non-Jewish tax law than Judaism. There may be a Judaic interest in the "Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?"
â Avrohom Yitzchok
Aug 9 at 16:56
Seems to me that this question is not relevant to the site as it is more relevant to non-Jewish tax law than Judaism. There may be a Judaic interest in the "Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?"
â Avrohom Yitzchok
Aug 9 at 16:56
5
5
@AvrohomYitzchok The question is about words about religion on a Jewish product's label, not about tax law, even if the answer is about tax law.
â Isaac Mosesâ¦
Aug 9 at 17:57
@AvrohomYitzchok The question is about words about religion on a Jewish product's label, not about tax law, even if the answer is about tax law.
â Isaac Mosesâ¦
Aug 9 at 17:57
1
1
I second @AvrohomYitzchokâÂÂs comment. The question is Jewish-motivated, but thereâÂÂs no reason necessarily to assume that a Jew using this site would know the answer. If the question were the tangential one and asking if a product marketed for sacramental purposes was used for other purposes, then I would say this is fine, but at the moment, IâÂÂm voting to close.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 22:50
I second @AvrohomYitzchokâÂÂs comment. The question is Jewish-motivated, but thereâÂÂs no reason necessarily to assume that a Jew using this site would know the answer. If the question were the tangential one and asking if a product marketed for sacramental purposes was used for other purposes, then I would say this is fine, but at the moment, IâÂÂm voting to close.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 22:50
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The reason is to exempt it from Value Added Tax.
See the regulation at this www.gov.uk site.
The important bit says:
4.7 Food and drink for religious and sacramental use
The existence of religious laws requiring certain foods to be prepared
in particular ways (for example, kosher or halal) doesnâÂÂt affect the
liability of the final product, which is judged according to the
normal VAT rules. However, the following liabilities have been agreed
in respect of some specialised food products, which have exclusively
sacramental use:
communion wafers used in the celebration of the Christian Communion,
Mass or Eucharist are zero rated
unfermented communion wine is also zero rated (but fermented communion
wine is standard rated)
unfermented grape juice for use at the Jewish seder or kaddish
(sic!)is zero rated provided it is marked prominently in English
âÂÂfor sacramental use onlyâÂÂ
"Zero-rated" means that there is a zero rate of Value Added Tax.
pretty good sleuthing! the reciept near the bottle indicated that the bottle was purchased in the uk
â heshy
Aug 9 at 18:47
2
The normal style is [sic] (text reproduced exactly) not (sic!) (Oh my goodness, look how bad that is!).
â CJ Dennis
Aug 10 at 0:13
1
@AvrohomYitzchok would it be stealing (i.e. from the government, from taxpayers) to drink it for non-sacramental purposes? This is not a joke
â SAH
Aug 14 at 7:20
Perhaps this could be posted as a serious question of Halacha
â Yerucham David ben Mordecai
Aug 16 at 10:50
@YeruchamDavidbenMordecai Perhaps...
â SAH
Aug 17 at 21:39
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Sacrimental purposes exempts from tax in many places like New York see here: https://tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/abt/exempt_sales_and_uses.htm
I have to view that law. AFAIK, all wines are taxed, and I've never seen this wording placed on Kedem (or any other brand's) wines.
â DanF
Aug 9 at 21:25
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I'm not good enough at reading legislative mumbo-jumbo to completely understand the particulars of the section in question, but New York state has a law (the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law) which specifies certain restrictions on alcoholic beverages. Section 6 in particular deals with wine.
I don't know for sure that this law is the reason Kedem puts this disclaimer on the bottles, but it seems plausible to me that they do it just to avoid the possibility of legal mix-ups even though it may not be strictly necessary for non-alcoholic beverages. There is a section in the law (76(10)) which makes an exception to some of the restrictions for sacramental purposes.
Someone who is better at reading these kinds of things may be able to clarify the law better than I can.
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3 Answers
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oldest
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
30
down vote
accepted
The reason is to exempt it from Value Added Tax.
See the regulation at this www.gov.uk site.
The important bit says:
4.7 Food and drink for religious and sacramental use
The existence of religious laws requiring certain foods to be prepared
in particular ways (for example, kosher or halal) doesnâÂÂt affect the
liability of the final product, which is judged according to the
normal VAT rules. However, the following liabilities have been agreed
in respect of some specialised food products, which have exclusively
sacramental use:
communion wafers used in the celebration of the Christian Communion,
Mass or Eucharist are zero rated
unfermented communion wine is also zero rated (but fermented communion
wine is standard rated)
unfermented grape juice for use at the Jewish seder or kaddish
(sic!)is zero rated provided it is marked prominently in English
âÂÂfor sacramental use onlyâÂÂ
"Zero-rated" means that there is a zero rate of Value Added Tax.
pretty good sleuthing! the reciept near the bottle indicated that the bottle was purchased in the uk
â heshy
Aug 9 at 18:47
2
The normal style is [sic] (text reproduced exactly) not (sic!) (Oh my goodness, look how bad that is!).
â CJ Dennis
Aug 10 at 0:13
1
@AvrohomYitzchok would it be stealing (i.e. from the government, from taxpayers) to drink it for non-sacramental purposes? This is not a joke
â SAH
Aug 14 at 7:20
Perhaps this could be posted as a serious question of Halacha
â Yerucham David ben Mordecai
Aug 16 at 10:50
@YeruchamDavidbenMordecai Perhaps...
â SAH
Aug 17 at 21:39
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show 1 more comment
up vote
30
down vote
accepted
The reason is to exempt it from Value Added Tax.
See the regulation at this www.gov.uk site.
The important bit says:
4.7 Food and drink for religious and sacramental use
The existence of religious laws requiring certain foods to be prepared
in particular ways (for example, kosher or halal) doesnâÂÂt affect the
liability of the final product, which is judged according to the
normal VAT rules. However, the following liabilities have been agreed
in respect of some specialised food products, which have exclusively
sacramental use:
communion wafers used in the celebration of the Christian Communion,
Mass or Eucharist are zero rated
unfermented communion wine is also zero rated (but fermented communion
wine is standard rated)
unfermented grape juice for use at the Jewish seder or kaddish
(sic!)is zero rated provided it is marked prominently in English
âÂÂfor sacramental use onlyâÂÂ
"Zero-rated" means that there is a zero rate of Value Added Tax.
pretty good sleuthing! the reciept near the bottle indicated that the bottle was purchased in the uk
â heshy
Aug 9 at 18:47
2
The normal style is [sic] (text reproduced exactly) not (sic!) (Oh my goodness, look how bad that is!).
â CJ Dennis
Aug 10 at 0:13
1
@AvrohomYitzchok would it be stealing (i.e. from the government, from taxpayers) to drink it for non-sacramental purposes? This is not a joke
â SAH
Aug 14 at 7:20
Perhaps this could be posted as a serious question of Halacha
â Yerucham David ben Mordecai
Aug 16 at 10:50
@YeruchamDavidbenMordecai Perhaps...
â SAH
Aug 17 at 21:39
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
30
down vote
accepted
up vote
30
down vote
accepted
The reason is to exempt it from Value Added Tax.
See the regulation at this www.gov.uk site.
The important bit says:
4.7 Food and drink for religious and sacramental use
The existence of religious laws requiring certain foods to be prepared
in particular ways (for example, kosher or halal) doesnâÂÂt affect the
liability of the final product, which is judged according to the
normal VAT rules. However, the following liabilities have been agreed
in respect of some specialised food products, which have exclusively
sacramental use:
communion wafers used in the celebration of the Christian Communion,
Mass or Eucharist are zero rated
unfermented communion wine is also zero rated (but fermented communion
wine is standard rated)
unfermented grape juice for use at the Jewish seder or kaddish
(sic!)is zero rated provided it is marked prominently in English
âÂÂfor sacramental use onlyâÂÂ
"Zero-rated" means that there is a zero rate of Value Added Tax.
The reason is to exempt it from Value Added Tax.
See the regulation at this www.gov.uk site.
The important bit says:
4.7 Food and drink for religious and sacramental use
The existence of religious laws requiring certain foods to be prepared
in particular ways (for example, kosher or halal) doesnâÂÂt affect the
liability of the final product, which is judged according to the
normal VAT rules. However, the following liabilities have been agreed
in respect of some specialised food products, which have exclusively
sacramental use:
communion wafers used in the celebration of the Christian Communion,
Mass or Eucharist are zero rated
unfermented communion wine is also zero rated (but fermented communion
wine is standard rated)
unfermented grape juice for use at the Jewish seder or kaddish
(sic!)is zero rated provided it is marked prominently in English
âÂÂfor sacramental use onlyâÂÂ
"Zero-rated" means that there is a zero rate of Value Added Tax.
edited Aug 9 at 16:20
answered Aug 9 at 16:14
Avrohom Yitzchok
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29.4k53198
pretty good sleuthing! the reciept near the bottle indicated that the bottle was purchased in the uk
â heshy
Aug 9 at 18:47
2
The normal style is [sic] (text reproduced exactly) not (sic!) (Oh my goodness, look how bad that is!).
â CJ Dennis
Aug 10 at 0:13
1
@AvrohomYitzchok would it be stealing (i.e. from the government, from taxpayers) to drink it for non-sacramental purposes? This is not a joke
â SAH
Aug 14 at 7:20
Perhaps this could be posted as a serious question of Halacha
â Yerucham David ben Mordecai
Aug 16 at 10:50
@YeruchamDavidbenMordecai Perhaps...
â SAH
Aug 17 at 21:39
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show 1 more comment
pretty good sleuthing! the reciept near the bottle indicated that the bottle was purchased in the uk
â heshy
Aug 9 at 18:47
2
The normal style is [sic] (text reproduced exactly) not (sic!) (Oh my goodness, look how bad that is!).
â CJ Dennis
Aug 10 at 0:13
1
@AvrohomYitzchok would it be stealing (i.e. from the government, from taxpayers) to drink it for non-sacramental purposes? This is not a joke
â SAH
Aug 14 at 7:20
Perhaps this could be posted as a serious question of Halacha
â Yerucham David ben Mordecai
Aug 16 at 10:50
@YeruchamDavidbenMordecai Perhaps...
â SAH
Aug 17 at 21:39
pretty good sleuthing! the reciept near the bottle indicated that the bottle was purchased in the uk
â heshy
Aug 9 at 18:47
pretty good sleuthing! the reciept near the bottle indicated that the bottle was purchased in the uk
â heshy
Aug 9 at 18:47
2
2
The normal style is [sic] (text reproduced exactly) not (sic!) (Oh my goodness, look how bad that is!).
â CJ Dennis
Aug 10 at 0:13
The normal style is [sic] (text reproduced exactly) not (sic!) (Oh my goodness, look how bad that is!).
â CJ Dennis
Aug 10 at 0:13
1
1
@AvrohomYitzchok would it be stealing (i.e. from the government, from taxpayers) to drink it for non-sacramental purposes? This is not a joke
â SAH
Aug 14 at 7:20
@AvrohomYitzchok would it be stealing (i.e. from the government, from taxpayers) to drink it for non-sacramental purposes? This is not a joke
â SAH
Aug 14 at 7:20
Perhaps this could be posted as a serious question of Halacha
â Yerucham David ben Mordecai
Aug 16 at 10:50
Perhaps this could be posted as a serious question of Halacha
â Yerucham David ben Mordecai
Aug 16 at 10:50
@YeruchamDavidbenMordecai Perhaps...
â SAH
Aug 17 at 21:39
@YeruchamDavidbenMordecai Perhaps...
â SAH
Aug 17 at 21:39
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Sacrimental purposes exempts from tax in many places like New York see here: https://tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/abt/exempt_sales_and_uses.htm
I have to view that law. AFAIK, all wines are taxed, and I've never seen this wording placed on Kedem (or any other brand's) wines.
â DanF
Aug 9 at 21:25
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up vote
2
down vote
Sacrimental purposes exempts from tax in many places like New York see here: https://tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/abt/exempt_sales_and_uses.htm
I have to view that law. AFAIK, all wines are taxed, and I've never seen this wording placed on Kedem (or any other brand's) wines.
â DanF
Aug 9 at 21:25
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
Sacrimental purposes exempts from tax in many places like New York see here: https://tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/abt/exempt_sales_and_uses.htm
Sacrimental purposes exempts from tax in many places like New York see here: https://tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/abt/exempt_sales_and_uses.htm
answered Aug 9 at 16:18
yosefkorn
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I have to view that law. AFAIK, all wines are taxed, and I've never seen this wording placed on Kedem (or any other brand's) wines.
â DanF
Aug 9 at 21:25
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I have to view that law. AFAIK, all wines are taxed, and I've never seen this wording placed on Kedem (or any other brand's) wines.
â DanF
Aug 9 at 21:25
I have to view that law. AFAIK, all wines are taxed, and I've never seen this wording placed on Kedem (or any other brand's) wines.
â DanF
Aug 9 at 21:25
I have to view that law. AFAIK, all wines are taxed, and I've never seen this wording placed on Kedem (or any other brand's) wines.
â DanF
Aug 9 at 21:25
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
I'm not good enough at reading legislative mumbo-jumbo to completely understand the particulars of the section in question, but New York state has a law (the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law) which specifies certain restrictions on alcoholic beverages. Section 6 in particular deals with wine.
I don't know for sure that this law is the reason Kedem puts this disclaimer on the bottles, but it seems plausible to me that they do it just to avoid the possibility of legal mix-ups even though it may not be strictly necessary for non-alcoholic beverages. There is a section in the law (76(10)) which makes an exception to some of the restrictions for sacramental purposes.
Someone who is better at reading these kinds of things may be able to clarify the law better than I can.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
I'm not good enough at reading legislative mumbo-jumbo to completely understand the particulars of the section in question, but New York state has a law (the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law) which specifies certain restrictions on alcoholic beverages. Section 6 in particular deals with wine.
I don't know for sure that this law is the reason Kedem puts this disclaimer on the bottles, but it seems plausible to me that they do it just to avoid the possibility of legal mix-ups even though it may not be strictly necessary for non-alcoholic beverages. There is a section in the law (76(10)) which makes an exception to some of the restrictions for sacramental purposes.
Someone who is better at reading these kinds of things may be able to clarify the law better than I can.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
I'm not good enough at reading legislative mumbo-jumbo to completely understand the particulars of the section in question, but New York state has a law (the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law) which specifies certain restrictions on alcoholic beverages. Section 6 in particular deals with wine.
I don't know for sure that this law is the reason Kedem puts this disclaimer on the bottles, but it seems plausible to me that they do it just to avoid the possibility of legal mix-ups even though it may not be strictly necessary for non-alcoholic beverages. There is a section in the law (76(10)) which makes an exception to some of the restrictions for sacramental purposes.
Someone who is better at reading these kinds of things may be able to clarify the law better than I can.
I'm not good enough at reading legislative mumbo-jumbo to completely understand the particulars of the section in question, but New York state has a law (the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law) which specifies certain restrictions on alcoholic beverages. Section 6 in particular deals with wine.
I don't know for sure that this law is the reason Kedem puts this disclaimer on the bottles, but it seems plausible to me that they do it just to avoid the possibility of legal mix-ups even though it may not be strictly necessary for non-alcoholic beverages. There is a section in the law (76(10)) which makes an exception to some of the restrictions for sacramental purposes.
Someone who is better at reading these kinds of things may be able to clarify the law better than I can.
edited Aug 9 at 14:35
answered Aug 9 at 14:29
Daniel
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I recommend you ask the manufacturer.
â msh210â¦
Aug 9 at 14:10
5
@JoelK As an aside, if youâÂÂre interested in privacy, you might want to post a different picture that doesnâÂÂt have that receipt in it, which kinda gives away your general location.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 15:21
1
Seems to me that this question is not relevant to the site as it is more relevant to non-Jewish tax law than Judaism. There may be a Judaic interest in the "Tangential bonus question: What happens if I want to drink it for other, non-sacramental purposes?"
â Avrohom Yitzchok
Aug 9 at 16:56
5
@AvrohomYitzchok The question is about words about religion on a Jewish product's label, not about tax law, even if the answer is about tax law.
â Isaac Mosesâ¦
Aug 9 at 17:57
1
I second @AvrohomYitzchokâÂÂs comment. The question is Jewish-motivated, but thereâÂÂs no reason necessarily to assume that a Jew using this site would know the answer. If the question were the tangential one and asking if a product marketed for sacramental purposes was used for other purposes, then I would say this is fine, but at the moment, IâÂÂm voting to close.
â DonielF
Aug 9 at 22:50