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Why “OCTave†when it's not all about the 8 notes of a diatonic?
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How come the etymology of the word octave is related to the number eight, when the numbers that you would associate with the meaning of the word are either two – doubling of the frequency – , or alternatively five, seven, or twelve, if we think about the number of notes within commonly used scales, starting from any note and stopping one octave higher?
Etymology dictionaries don't help as they simply point out the Latin root of the word - Related to the number eight – and also the Wikipedia article doesn't seem to mention anything about this..
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How come the etymology of the word octave is related to the number eight, when the numbers that you would associate with the meaning of the word are either two – doubling of the frequency – , or alternatively five, seven, or twelve, if we think about the number of notes within commonly used scales, starting from any note and stopping one octave higher?
Etymology dictionaries don't help as they simply point out the Latin root of the word - Related to the number eight – and also the Wikipedia article doesn't seem to mention anything about this..
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How come the etymology of the word octave is related to the number eight, when the numbers that you would associate with the meaning of the word are either two – doubling of the frequency – , or alternatively five, seven, or twelve, if we think about the number of notes within commonly used scales, starting from any note and stopping one octave higher?
Etymology dictionaries don't help as they simply point out the Latin root of the word - Related to the number eight – and also the Wikipedia article doesn't seem to mention anything about this..
theory intervals
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z8080
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How come the etymology of the word octave is related to the number eight, when the numbers that you would associate with the meaning of the word are either two – doubling of the frequency – , or alternatively five, seven, or twelve, if we think about the number of notes within commonly used scales, starting from any note and stopping one octave higher?
Etymology dictionaries don't help as they simply point out the Latin root of the word - Related to the number eight – and also the Wikipedia article doesn't seem to mention anything about this..
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The frequencies have very little to do with it.
– Neil Meyer
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The frequencies have very little to do with it.
– Neil Meyer
16 mins ago
The frequencies have very little to do with it.
– Neil Meyer
16 mins ago
The frequencies have very little to do with it.
– Neil Meyer
16 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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The octave would be the eight note. There are seven scale degrees and if you take an additional step, you would land on the octave.
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Thanks for your answer! I noticed the other one first, which is similar, and replied to it in the comments.
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An octave is the space, pitch wise, which can be divided into eight. With seven intervals between. Take the octave C-C. C D E F G A B C eight notes later we're back on C.
You certainly wouldn't say 'octave of C is B', surely? The first C is not no. 0, like the start of a ruler, or a stopwatch. It's 1.
answered 18 mins ago
Tim
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Of course - but that still assumes that the diatonic scale, with its 7 - 8 if you count the same note reached again - is the only way to divide the doubling-of-frequency space, or at least the most salient, whereas I would suspect it wasn't at the time when the meaning of the word came into use, not even in the Western world!
– z8080
11 mins ago
It's my understanding that at the time of developing the scales, which were derived from simple ratios, there were 7 notes per octave, so the eighth was named based on the word for 8. There are plenty of ways to divide the octave but at the time the term was invented, there was really only the one approach.
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2 Answers
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The octave would be the eight note. There are seven scale degrees and if you take an additional step, you would land on the octave.
answered 23 mins ago
Basstickler
5,8021031
Thanks for your answer! I noticed the other one first, which is similar, and replied to it in the comments.
– z8080
10 mins ago
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The octave would be the eight note. There are seven scale degrees and if you take an additional step, you would land on the octave.
answered 23 mins ago
Basstickler
5,8021031
Thanks for your answer! I noticed the other one first, which is similar, and replied to it in the comments.
– z8080
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
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up vote
2
down vote
The octave would be the eight note. There are seven scale degrees and if you take an additional step, you would land on the octave.
answered 23 mins ago
Basstickler
5,8021031
The octave would be the eight note. There are seven scale degrees and if you take an additional step, you would land on the octave.
answered 23 mins ago
Basstickler
5,8021031
answered 23 mins ago
Basstickler
5,8021031
answered 23 mins ago
Basstickler
5,8021031
answered 23 mins ago
Basstickler
5,8021031
5,8021031
Thanks for your answer! I noticed the other one first, which is similar, and replied to it in the comments.
– z8080
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
Thanks for your answer! I noticed the other one first, which is similar, and replied to it in the comments.
– z8080
10 mins ago
Thanks for your answer! I noticed the other one first, which is similar, and replied to it in the comments.
– z8080
10 mins ago
Thanks for your answer! I noticed the other one first, which is similar, and replied to it in the comments.
– z8080
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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1
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An octave is the space, pitch wise, which can be divided into eight. With seven intervals between. Take the octave C-C. C D E F G A B C eight notes later we're back on C.
You certainly wouldn't say 'octave of C is B', surely? The first C is not no. 0, like the start of a ruler, or a stopwatch. It's 1.
answered 18 mins ago
Tim
91.4k1094230
Of course - but that still assumes that the diatonic scale, with its 7 - 8 if you count the same note reached again - is the only way to divide the doubling-of-frequency space, or at least the most salient, whereas I would suspect it wasn't at the time when the meaning of the word came into use, not even in the Western world!
– z8080
11 mins ago
It's my understanding that at the time of developing the scales, which were derived from simple ratios, there were 7 notes per octave, so the eighth was named based on the word for 8. There are plenty of ways to divide the octave but at the time the term was invented, there was really only the one approach.
– Basstickler
7 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
An octave is the space, pitch wise, which can be divided into eight. With seven intervals between. Take the octave C-C. C D E F G A B C eight notes later we're back on C.
You certainly wouldn't say 'octave of C is B', surely? The first C is not no. 0, like the start of a ruler, or a stopwatch. It's 1.
answered 18 mins ago
Tim
91.4k1094230
Of course - but that still assumes that the diatonic scale, with its 7 - 8 if you count the same note reached again - is the only way to divide the doubling-of-frequency space, or at least the most salient, whereas I would suspect it wasn't at the time when the meaning of the word came into use, not even in the Western world!
– z8080
11 mins ago
It's my understanding that at the time of developing the scales, which were derived from simple ratios, there were 7 notes per octave, so the eighth was named based on the word for 8. There are plenty of ways to divide the octave but at the time the term was invented, there was really only the one approach.
– Basstickler
7 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
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up vote
1
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An octave is the space, pitch wise, which can be divided into eight. With seven intervals between. Take the octave C-C. C D E F G A B C eight notes later we're back on C.
You certainly wouldn't say 'octave of C is B', surely? The first C is not no. 0, like the start of a ruler, or a stopwatch. It's 1.
answered 18 mins ago
Tim
91.4k1094230
An octave is the space, pitch wise, which can be divided into eight. With seven intervals between. Take the octave C-C. C D E F G A B C eight notes later we're back on C.
You certainly wouldn't say 'octave of C is B', surely? The first C is not no. 0, like the start of a ruler, or a stopwatch. It's 1.
answered 18 mins ago
Tim
91.4k1094230
answered 18 mins ago
Tim
91.4k1094230
answered 18 mins ago
Tim
91.4k1094230
answered 18 mins ago
Tim
91.4k1094230
91.4k1094230
Of course - but that still assumes that the diatonic scale, with its 7 - 8 if you count the same note reached again - is the only way to divide the doubling-of-frequency space, or at least the most salient, whereas I would suspect it wasn't at the time when the meaning of the word came into use, not even in the Western world!
– z8080
11 mins ago
It's my understanding that at the time of developing the scales, which were derived from simple ratios, there were 7 notes per octave, so the eighth was named based on the word for 8. There are plenty of ways to divide the octave but at the time the term was invented, there was really only the one approach.
– Basstickler
7 mins ago
add a comment |Â
Of course - but that still assumes that the diatonic scale, with its 7 - 8 if you count the same note reached again - is the only way to divide the doubling-of-frequency space, or at least the most salient, whereas I would suspect it wasn't at the time when the meaning of the word came into use, not even in the Western world!
– z8080
11 mins ago
It's my understanding that at the time of developing the scales, which were derived from simple ratios, there were 7 notes per octave, so the eighth was named based on the word for 8. There are plenty of ways to divide the octave but at the time the term was invented, there was really only the one approach.
– Basstickler
7 mins ago
Of course - but that still assumes that the diatonic scale, with its 7 - 8 if you count the same note reached again - is the only way to divide the doubling-of-frequency space, or at least the most salient, whereas I would suspect it wasn't at the time when the meaning of the word came into use, not even in the Western world!
– z8080
11 mins ago
Of course - but that still assumes that the diatonic scale, with its 7 - 8 if you count the same note reached again - is the only way to divide the doubling-of-frequency space, or at least the most salient, whereas I would suspect it wasn't at the time when the meaning of the word came into use, not even in the Western world!
– z8080
11 mins ago
It's my understanding that at the time of developing the scales, which were derived from simple ratios, there were 7 notes per octave, so the eighth was named based on the word for 8. There are plenty of ways to divide the octave but at the time the term was invented, there was really only the one approach.
– Basstickler
7 mins ago
It's my understanding that at the time of developing the scales, which were derived from simple ratios, there were 7 notes per octave, so the eighth was named based on the word for 8. There are plenty of ways to divide the octave but at the time the term was invented, there was really only the one approach.
– Basstickler
7 mins ago
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The frequencies have very little to do with it.
– Neil Meyer
16 mins ago