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If you have dis/advantage on a roll, do you have dis/advantage on a reroll?
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This might be a duplicate but I can't find it.
To be clear this has nothing to do with Halfling Luck trait. Or similar abilities that allow the reroll of a die that rolls a natural 1. (I was apparently incorrect though.)
This has to do with a situation such as the Path of the Zealot barbarian's Fanatical Focus feature (Xanathar's Guide to Everything, p. 11), which lets you reroll a save that you fail:
Starting at 6th level, the divine power that fuels your rage can protect you. If you fail a saving throw while you’re raging, you can reroll it, and you must use the new roll. You can use this ability only once per rage.
Situation: Barbarian fails his save and is afflicted with bestow curse. Now he has disadvantage on Constitution checks and saves. He is targeted with disintegrate and fails his save. Using Fanatical Focus, he chooses to reroll that save. He would obviously have disadvantage again since the curse is ongoing. I think we could all agree to that.
However, what if the disadvantage or advantage was only imposed for that effect? Such as a Sorcerer using the Heightened Spell metamagic option:
When you cast a spell that forces a creature to make a saving throw to
resist its effects, you can spend 3 sorcery points to give one target
of the spell disadvantage on its first saving throw made against the
spell.
The ability says you "reroll that save", therefore I argue that you would have disadvantage again as it would still be the first saving throw against the spell albeit a meta-game solutioning of that resolution.
I was unable to find anything on Sageadvice.eu although it is getting harder to sift that data. And I did not find anything in the errata or the Sage Advice Compendium (2017).
Is there anything to support this ruling in the rules that I missed?
This seems intuitive and intended however I see nothing that alludes to it.
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This might be a duplicate but I can't find it.
To be clear this has nothing to do with Halfling Luck trait. Or similar abilities that allow the reroll of a die that rolls a natural 1. (I was apparently incorrect though.)
This has to do with a situation such as the Path of the Zealot barbarian's Fanatical Focus feature (Xanathar's Guide to Everything, p. 11), which lets you reroll a save that you fail:
Starting at 6th level, the divine power that fuels your rage can protect you. If you fail a saving throw while you’re raging, you can reroll it, and you must use the new roll. You can use this ability only once per rage.
Situation: Barbarian fails his save and is afflicted with bestow curse. Now he has disadvantage on Constitution checks and saves. He is targeted with disintegrate and fails his save. Using Fanatical Focus, he chooses to reroll that save. He would obviously have disadvantage again since the curse is ongoing. I think we could all agree to that.
However, what if the disadvantage or advantage was only imposed for that effect? Such as a Sorcerer using the Heightened Spell metamagic option:
When you cast a spell that forces a creature to make a saving throw to
resist its effects, you can spend 3 sorcery points to give one target
of the spell disadvantage on its first saving throw made against the
spell.
The ability says you "reroll that save", therefore I argue that you would have disadvantage again as it would still be the first saving throw against the spell albeit a meta-game solutioning of that resolution.
I was unable to find anything on Sageadvice.eu although it is getting harder to sift that data. And I did not find anything in the errata or the Sage Advice Compendium (2017).
Is there anything to support this ruling in the rules that I missed?
This seems intuitive and intended however I see nothing that alludes to it.
dnd-5e spells saving-throw advantage
edited Aug 18 at 12:57
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This might be a duplicate but I can't find it.
To be clear this has nothing to do with Halfling Luck trait. Or similar abilities that allow the reroll of a die that rolls a natural 1. (I was apparently incorrect though.)
This has to do with a situation such as the Path of the Zealot barbarian's Fanatical Focus feature (Xanathar's Guide to Everything, p. 11), which lets you reroll a save that you fail:
Starting at 6th level, the divine power that fuels your rage can protect you. If you fail a saving throw while you’re raging, you can reroll it, and you must use the new roll. You can use this ability only once per rage.
Situation: Barbarian fails his save and is afflicted with bestow curse. Now he has disadvantage on Constitution checks and saves. He is targeted with disintegrate and fails his save. Using Fanatical Focus, he chooses to reroll that save. He would obviously have disadvantage again since the curse is ongoing. I think we could all agree to that.
However, what if the disadvantage or advantage was only imposed for that effect? Such as a Sorcerer using the Heightened Spell metamagic option:
When you cast a spell that forces a creature to make a saving throw to
resist its effects, you can spend 3 sorcery points to give one target
of the spell disadvantage on its first saving throw made against the
spell.
The ability says you "reroll that save", therefore I argue that you would have disadvantage again as it would still be the first saving throw against the spell albeit a meta-game solutioning of that resolution.
I was unable to find anything on Sageadvice.eu although it is getting harder to sift that data. And I did not find anything in the errata or the Sage Advice Compendium (2017).
Is there anything to support this ruling in the rules that I missed?
This seems intuitive and intended however I see nothing that alludes to it.
dnd-5e spells saving-throw advantage
edited Aug 18 at 12:57
Bloodcinder
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asked Aug 17 at 19:07
Slagmoth
13.9k13681
This might be a duplicate but I can't find it.
To be clear this has nothing to do with Halfling Luck trait. Or similar abilities that allow the reroll of a die that rolls a natural 1. (I was apparently incorrect though.)
This has to do with a situation such as the Path of the Zealot barbarian's Fanatical Focus feature (Xanathar's Guide to Everything, p. 11), which lets you reroll a save that you fail:
Starting at 6th level, the divine power that fuels your rage can protect you. If you fail a saving throw while you’re raging, you can reroll it, and you must use the new roll. You can use this ability only once per rage.
Situation: Barbarian fails his save and is afflicted with bestow curse. Now he has disadvantage on Constitution checks and saves. He is targeted with disintegrate and fails his save. Using Fanatical Focus, he chooses to reroll that save. He would obviously have disadvantage again since the curse is ongoing. I think we could all agree to that.
However, what if the disadvantage or advantage was only imposed for that effect? Such as a Sorcerer using the Heightened Spell metamagic option:
When you cast a spell that forces a creature to make a saving throw to
resist its effects, you can spend 3 sorcery points to give one target
of the spell disadvantage on its first saving throw made against the
spell.
The ability says you "reroll that save", therefore I argue that you would have disadvantage again as it would still be the first saving throw against the spell albeit a meta-game solutioning of that resolution.
I was unable to find anything on Sageadvice.eu although it is getting harder to sift that data. And I did not find anything in the errata or the Sage Advice Compendium (2017).
Is there anything to support this ruling in the rules that I missed?
This seems intuitive and intended however I see nothing that alludes to it.
dnd-5e spells saving-throw advantage
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asked Aug 17 at 19:07
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The same rule that applies to the halfling's Lucky trait applies here (PHB pg 173, Advantage/Disadvantage):
When you have advantage or disadvantage and something in the game, such as the halfling's Lucky trait, lets you reroll the d20. you can reroll only one of the dice. You choose which one. For example, if a halfling has advantage on an ability check and rolls a 1 and a 13. the halfling could use the Lucky trait to reroll the 1.
So in this case, the ability would allow the player to reroll the lower die, but the second roll from the original disadvantage would still affect the outcome (as an upper bound on what could be rolled)
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The same rule that applies to the halfling's Lucky trait applies here (PHB pg 173, Advantage/Disadvantage):
When you have advantage or disadvantage and something in the game, such as the halfling's Lucky trait, lets you reroll the d20. you can reroll only one of the dice. You choose which one. For example, if a halfling has advantage on an ability check and rolls a 1 and a 13. the halfling could use the Lucky trait to reroll the 1.
So in this case, the ability would allow the player to reroll the lower die, but the second roll from the original disadvantage would still affect the outcome (as an upper bound on what could be rolled)
answered Aug 17 at 19:22
illustro
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The same rule that applies to the halfling's Lucky trait applies here (PHB pg 173, Advantage/Disadvantage):
When you have advantage or disadvantage and something in the game, such as the halfling's Lucky trait, lets you reroll the d20. you can reroll only one of the dice. You choose which one. For example, if a halfling has advantage on an ability check and rolls a 1 and a 13. the halfling could use the Lucky trait to reroll the 1.
So in this case, the ability would allow the player to reroll the lower die, but the second roll from the original disadvantage would still affect the outcome (as an upper bound on what could be rolled)
answered Aug 17 at 19:22
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The same rule that applies to the halfling's Lucky trait applies here (PHB pg 173, Advantage/Disadvantage):
When you have advantage or disadvantage and something in the game, such as the halfling's Lucky trait, lets you reroll the d20. you can reroll only one of the dice. You choose which one. For example, if a halfling has advantage on an ability check and rolls a 1 and a 13. the halfling could use the Lucky trait to reroll the 1.
So in this case, the ability would allow the player to reroll the lower die, but the second roll from the original disadvantage would still affect the outcome (as an upper bound on what could be rolled)
answered Aug 17 at 19:22
illustro
4,16011233
The same rule that applies to the halfling's Lucky trait applies here (PHB pg 173, Advantage/Disadvantage):
When you have advantage or disadvantage and something in the game, such as the halfling's Lucky trait, lets you reroll the d20. you can reroll only one of the dice. You choose which one. For example, if a halfling has advantage on an ability check and rolls a 1 and a 13. the halfling could use the Lucky trait to reroll the 1.
So in this case, the ability would allow the player to reroll the lower die, but the second roll from the original disadvantage would still affect the outcome (as an upper bound on what could be rolled)
answered Aug 17 at 19:22
illustro
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edited Aug 17 at 20:40
answered Aug 17 at 19:22
illustro
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answered Aug 17 at 19:22
illustro
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answered Aug 17 at 19:22
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