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I was just cleaning out some old papers and stumbled upon an employee handbook from a prior company I worked for. Skimming through it, I came across a paragraph which piqued my curiosity. The paragraph reads as follows:
Employees must avoid situations in which the employee's obligations to the organization compete with the employees financial interests, the employee's obligations to another organization or governmental body or the employee's desire to assist relatives or friends.
I will prefix that I'm not attempting to open a debate or solicit legal advice. Rather my question is just how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? It's a bold attempt to force employee loyalty at the expense friends, family or duty to government/country (whether that be military service, or cooperating with an investigation that may conflict with the company's interests).
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asked Jul 25 '15 at 4:50
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I was just cleaning out some old papers and stumbled upon an employee handbook from a prior company I worked for. Skimming through it, I came across a paragraph which piqued my curiosity. The paragraph reads as follows:
Employees must avoid situations in which the employee's obligations to the organization compete with the employees financial interests, the employee's obligations to another organization or governmental body or the employee's desire to assist relatives or friends.
I will prefix that I'm not attempting to open a debate or solicit legal advice. Rather my question is just how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? It's a bold attempt to force employee loyalty at the expense friends, family or duty to government/country (whether that be military service, or cooperating with an investigation that may conflict with the company's interests).
employer-relations company-policy law
asked Jul 25 '15 at 4:50
Alex
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No big deal, it is just an overly obtuse way of saying "avoid conflict of interest".
– Masked Man♦
Jul 25 '15 at 18:19
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It's too vague though. It's a very big deal.
– SE13013
Jul 26 '15 at 8:54
To me it actually lays out what they consider conflict of interest, so is more precise than wording that just says 'avoid conflict of interest' - your mileage clearly varies. It is a bit lawyerly, but kind of has to be...
– Jon Custer
Jul 26 '15 at 14:16
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how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? - They can fire you for not following policy as long as that policy doesn't violate any laws or regulations.
– BSMP
Jul 27 '15 at 1:45
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I was just cleaning out some old papers and stumbled upon an employee handbook from a prior company I worked for. Skimming through it, I came across a paragraph which piqued my curiosity. The paragraph reads as follows:
Employees must avoid situations in which the employee's obligations to the organization compete with the employees financial interests, the employee's obligations to another organization or governmental body or the employee's desire to assist relatives or friends.
I will prefix that I'm not attempting to open a debate or solicit legal advice. Rather my question is just how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? It's a bold attempt to force employee loyalty at the expense friends, family or duty to government/country (whether that be military service, or cooperating with an investigation that may conflict with the company's interests).
employer-relations company-policy law
asked Jul 25 '15 at 4:50
Alex
3,3561130
I was just cleaning out some old papers and stumbled upon an employee handbook from a prior company I worked for. Skimming through it, I came across a paragraph which piqued my curiosity. The paragraph reads as follows:
Employees must avoid situations in which the employee's obligations to the organization compete with the employees financial interests, the employee's obligations to another organization or governmental body or the employee's desire to assist relatives or friends.
I will prefix that I'm not attempting to open a debate or solicit legal advice. Rather my question is just how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? It's a bold attempt to force employee loyalty at the expense friends, family or duty to government/country (whether that be military service, or cooperating with an investigation that may conflict with the company's interests).
employer-relations company-policy law
asked Jul 25 '15 at 4:50
Alex
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edited Sep 22 '16 at 16:58
asked Jul 25 '15 at 4:50
Alex
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asked Jul 25 '15 at 4:50
Alex
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asked Jul 25 '15 at 4:50
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No big deal, it is just an overly obtuse way of saying "avoid conflict of interest".
– Masked Man♦
Jul 25 '15 at 18:19
1
It's too vague though. It's a very big deal.
– SE13013
Jul 26 '15 at 8:54
To me it actually lays out what they consider conflict of interest, so is more precise than wording that just says 'avoid conflict of interest' - your mileage clearly varies. It is a bit lawyerly, but kind of has to be...
– Jon Custer
Jul 26 '15 at 14:16
2
how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? - They can fire you for not following policy as long as that policy doesn't violate any laws or regulations.
– BSMP
Jul 27 '15 at 1:45
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No big deal, it is just an overly obtuse way of saying "avoid conflict of interest".
– Masked Man♦
Jul 25 '15 at 18:19
1
It's too vague though. It's a very big deal.
– SE13013
Jul 26 '15 at 8:54
To me it actually lays out what they consider conflict of interest, so is more precise than wording that just says 'avoid conflict of interest' - your mileage clearly varies. It is a bit lawyerly, but kind of has to be...
– Jon Custer
Jul 26 '15 at 14:16
2
how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? - They can fire you for not following policy as long as that policy doesn't violate any laws or regulations.
– BSMP
Jul 27 '15 at 1:45
11
11
No big deal, it is just an overly obtuse way of saying "avoid conflict of interest".
– Masked Man♦
Jul 25 '15 at 18:19
No big deal, it is just an overly obtuse way of saying "avoid conflict of interest".
– Masked Man♦
Jul 25 '15 at 18:19
1
1
It's too vague though. It's a very big deal.
– SE13013
Jul 26 '15 at 8:54
It's too vague though. It's a very big deal.
– SE13013
Jul 26 '15 at 8:54
To me it actually lays out what they consider conflict of interest, so is more precise than wording that just says 'avoid conflict of interest' - your mileage clearly varies. It is a bit lawyerly, but kind of has to be...
– Jon Custer
Jul 26 '15 at 14:16
To me it actually lays out what they consider conflict of interest, so is more precise than wording that just says 'avoid conflict of interest' - your mileage clearly varies. It is a bit lawyerly, but kind of has to be...
– Jon Custer
Jul 26 '15 at 14:16
2
2
how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? - They can fire you for not following policy as long as that policy doesn't violate any laws or regulations.
– BSMP
Jul 27 '15 at 1:45
how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? - They can fire you for not following policy as long as that policy doesn't violate any laws or regulations.
– BSMP
Jul 27 '15 at 1:45
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For example, if your company installs bathrooms, and you are the one responsible for pricing orders from customers and sending out quotes, then you should give the job to someone else when your brother-in-law needs a new bathroom. Or worse, if you need a new bathroom yourself, since then it is clearly in your own financial interest to keep the price as low as possible, even if it means a loss for your company.
Usually called "avoiding conflict of interest". So there is nothing unusual or malicious going on here.
On the other hand, if you are a valued employee at a not very large company, there's a good chance that you or your brother-in-law might get an unusually good price for that bathroom from your boss.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 6:36
gnasher729
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Actually its not that you have to have your company install the bathroom, but that you will not use your influence with the company to get favors or discounts that are not offered to everyone if they do install your bathroom. Or use your position at the company to get into a prime schedule slot, or "accidentally" order the wrong surround, and then offer to buy it from the company at cost, etc.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Sep 22 '16 at 17:39
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Just how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life
and choices outside the workplace?
They can go pretty far.
But this isn't about loyalty, it's about protecting the company's interests.
They aren't telling you that you cannot do whatever you like in your personal life in general. They are only saying that you must avoid situations where your personal life conflicts with the company's interests.
For example, you can have a painting business on the side, but you cannot place a bid to paint the company kitchen. You can help your cousin get a job, but you cannot use your knowledge of your company's client list to help your cousin land a job with the competition.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 11:44
Joe Strazzere
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Back when I worked for a big company petty corruption in letting contracts ie you give a contract to your mate was one of the major causes of discipline cases
– Pepone
Jul 25 '15 at 15:22
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@Pepone by "mate", may I assume you mean the UK slang meaning friend and not a life partner?
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 18:24
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This is a condition of employment; note the word "must" rather than "should".. Yes, if they want to they can make violating it a firing offense.
Generally you can find something which conforms to this guideline while offering the same benefits, so it usually is no more than an inconvenience.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 4:54
keshlam
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It's also suitably vague that it can be used to get rid of a problem employee that hasn't technically violated any other policy
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 19:53
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My interpretation of the sentence is that the employer has decided that the employer is better off with employees avoid these situations than getting into these situations and making a choice at the expense of the employer. This employer seems aware that making impossible or onerous demands is the surest way to make sure that these demands will not be complied with let alone met.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 5:25
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For example, if your company installs bathrooms, and you are the one responsible for pricing orders from customers and sending out quotes, then you should give the job to someone else when your brother-in-law needs a new bathroom. Or worse, if you need a new bathroom yourself, since then it is clearly in your own financial interest to keep the price as low as possible, even if it means a loss for your company.
Usually called "avoiding conflict of interest". So there is nothing unusual or malicious going on here.
On the other hand, if you are a valued employee at a not very large company, there's a good chance that you or your brother-in-law might get an unusually good price for that bathroom from your boss.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 6:36
gnasher729
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Actually its not that you have to have your company install the bathroom, but that you will not use your influence with the company to get favors or discounts that are not offered to everyone if they do install your bathroom. Or use your position at the company to get into a prime schedule slot, or "accidentally" order the wrong surround, and then offer to buy it from the company at cost, etc.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Sep 22 '16 at 17:39
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up vote
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For example, if your company installs bathrooms, and you are the one responsible for pricing orders from customers and sending out quotes, then you should give the job to someone else when your brother-in-law needs a new bathroom. Or worse, if you need a new bathroom yourself, since then it is clearly in your own financial interest to keep the price as low as possible, even if it means a loss for your company.
Usually called "avoiding conflict of interest". So there is nothing unusual or malicious going on here.
On the other hand, if you are a valued employee at a not very large company, there's a good chance that you or your brother-in-law might get an unusually good price for that bathroom from your boss.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 6:36
gnasher729
71k31131222
Actually its not that you have to have your company install the bathroom, but that you will not use your influence with the company to get favors or discounts that are not offered to everyone if they do install your bathroom. Or use your position at the company to get into a prime schedule slot, or "accidentally" order the wrong surround, and then offer to buy it from the company at cost, etc.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Sep 22 '16 at 17:39
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
10
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up vote
10
down vote
For example, if your company installs bathrooms, and you are the one responsible for pricing orders from customers and sending out quotes, then you should give the job to someone else when your brother-in-law needs a new bathroom. Or worse, if you need a new bathroom yourself, since then it is clearly in your own financial interest to keep the price as low as possible, even if it means a loss for your company.
Usually called "avoiding conflict of interest". So there is nothing unusual or malicious going on here.
On the other hand, if you are a valued employee at a not very large company, there's a good chance that you or your brother-in-law might get an unusually good price for that bathroom from your boss.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 6:36
gnasher729
71k31131222
For example, if your company installs bathrooms, and you are the one responsible for pricing orders from customers and sending out quotes, then you should give the job to someone else when your brother-in-law needs a new bathroom. Or worse, if you need a new bathroom yourself, since then it is clearly in your own financial interest to keep the price as low as possible, even if it means a loss for your company.
Usually called "avoiding conflict of interest". So there is nothing unusual or malicious going on here.
On the other hand, if you are a valued employee at a not very large company, there's a good chance that you or your brother-in-law might get an unusually good price for that bathroom from your boss.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 6:36
gnasher729
71k31131222
edited Jul 25 '15 at 6:42
answered Jul 25 '15 at 6:36
gnasher729
71k31131222
answered Jul 25 '15 at 6:36
gnasher729
71k31131222
answered Jul 25 '15 at 6:36
gnasher729
71k31131222
71k31131222
Actually its not that you have to have your company install the bathroom, but that you will not use your influence with the company to get favors or discounts that are not offered to everyone if they do install your bathroom. Or use your position at the company to get into a prime schedule slot, or "accidentally" order the wrong surround, and then offer to buy it from the company at cost, etc.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Sep 22 '16 at 17:39
suggest improvements |Â
Actually its not that you have to have your company install the bathroom, but that you will not use your influence with the company to get favors or discounts that are not offered to everyone if they do install your bathroom. Or use your position at the company to get into a prime schedule slot, or "accidentally" order the wrong surround, and then offer to buy it from the company at cost, etc.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Sep 22 '16 at 17:39
Actually its not that you have to have your company install the bathroom, but that you will not use your influence with the company to get favors or discounts that are not offered to everyone if they do install your bathroom. Or use your position at the company to get into a prime schedule slot, or "accidentally" order the wrong surround, and then offer to buy it from the company at cost, etc.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Sep 22 '16 at 17:39
Actually its not that you have to have your company install the bathroom, but that you will not use your influence with the company to get favors or discounts that are not offered to everyone if they do install your bathroom. Or use your position at the company to get into a prime schedule slot, or "accidentally" order the wrong surround, and then offer to buy it from the company at cost, etc.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Sep 22 '16 at 17:39
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
8
down vote
Just how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life
and choices outside the workplace?
They can go pretty far.
But this isn't about loyalty, it's about protecting the company's interests.
They aren't telling you that you cannot do whatever you like in your personal life in general. They are only saying that you must avoid situations where your personal life conflicts with the company's interests.
For example, you can have a painting business on the side, but you cannot place a bid to paint the company kitchen. You can help your cousin get a job, but you cannot use your knowledge of your company's client list to help your cousin land a job with the competition.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 11:44
Joe Strazzere
223k106656922
3
Back when I worked for a big company petty corruption in letting contracts ie you give a contract to your mate was one of the major causes of discipline cases
– Pepone
Jul 25 '15 at 15:22
1
@Pepone by "mate", may I assume you mean the UK slang meaning friend and not a life partner?
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 18:24
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
8
down vote
Just how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life
and choices outside the workplace?
They can go pretty far.
But this isn't about loyalty, it's about protecting the company's interests.
They aren't telling you that you cannot do whatever you like in your personal life in general. They are only saying that you must avoid situations where your personal life conflicts with the company's interests.
For example, you can have a painting business on the side, but you cannot place a bid to paint the company kitchen. You can help your cousin get a job, but you cannot use your knowledge of your company's client list to help your cousin land a job with the competition.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 11:44
Joe Strazzere
223k106656922
3
Back when I worked for a big company petty corruption in letting contracts ie you give a contract to your mate was one of the major causes of discipline cases
– Pepone
Jul 25 '15 at 15:22
1
@Pepone by "mate", may I assume you mean the UK slang meaning friend and not a life partner?
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 18:24
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
8
down vote
up vote
8
down vote
Just how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life
and choices outside the workplace?
They can go pretty far.
But this isn't about loyalty, it's about protecting the company's interests.
They aren't telling you that you cannot do whatever you like in your personal life in general. They are only saying that you must avoid situations where your personal life conflicts with the company's interests.
For example, you can have a painting business on the side, but you cannot place a bid to paint the company kitchen. You can help your cousin get a job, but you cannot use your knowledge of your company's client list to help your cousin land a job with the competition.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 11:44
Joe Strazzere
223k106656922
Just how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life
and choices outside the workplace?
They can go pretty far.
But this isn't about loyalty, it's about protecting the company's interests.
They aren't telling you that you cannot do whatever you like in your personal life in general. They are only saying that you must avoid situations where your personal life conflicts with the company's interests.
For example, you can have a painting business on the side, but you cannot place a bid to paint the company kitchen. You can help your cousin get a job, but you cannot use your knowledge of your company's client list to help your cousin land a job with the competition.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 11:44
Joe Strazzere
223k106656922
edited Sep 23 '16 at 18:18
answered Jul 25 '15 at 11:44
Joe Strazzere
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answered Jul 25 '15 at 11:44
Joe Strazzere
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answered Jul 25 '15 at 11:44
Joe Strazzere
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Back when I worked for a big company petty corruption in letting contracts ie you give a contract to your mate was one of the major causes of discipline cases
– Pepone
Jul 25 '15 at 15:22
1
@Pepone by "mate", may I assume you mean the UK slang meaning friend and not a life partner?
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 18:24
suggest improvements |Â
3
Back when I worked for a big company petty corruption in letting contracts ie you give a contract to your mate was one of the major causes of discipline cases
– Pepone
Jul 25 '15 at 15:22
1
@Pepone by "mate", may I assume you mean the UK slang meaning friend and not a life partner?
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 18:24
3
3
Back when I worked for a big company petty corruption in letting contracts ie you give a contract to your mate was one of the major causes of discipline cases
– Pepone
Jul 25 '15 at 15:22
Back when I worked for a big company petty corruption in letting contracts ie you give a contract to your mate was one of the major causes of discipline cases
– Pepone
Jul 25 '15 at 15:22
1
1
@Pepone by "mate", may I assume you mean the UK slang meaning friend and not a life partner?
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 18:24
@Pepone by "mate", may I assume you mean the UK slang meaning friend and not a life partner?
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 18:24
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
1
down vote
This is a condition of employment; note the word "must" rather than "should".. Yes, if they want to they can make violating it a firing offense.
Generally you can find something which conforms to this guideline while offering the same benefits, so it usually is no more than an inconvenience.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 4:54
keshlam
41.5k1267144
It's also suitably vague that it can be used to get rid of a problem employee that hasn't technically violated any other policy
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 19:53
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
1
down vote
This is a condition of employment; note the word "must" rather than "should".. Yes, if they want to they can make violating it a firing offense.
Generally you can find something which conforms to this guideline while offering the same benefits, so it usually is no more than an inconvenience.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 4:54
keshlam
41.5k1267144
It's also suitably vague that it can be used to get rid of a problem employee that hasn't technically violated any other policy
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 19:53
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
This is a condition of employment; note the word "must" rather than "should".. Yes, if they want to they can make violating it a firing offense.
Generally you can find something which conforms to this guideline while offering the same benefits, so it usually is no more than an inconvenience.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 4:54
keshlam
41.5k1267144
This is a condition of employment; note the word "must" rather than "should".. Yes, if they want to they can make violating it a firing offense.
Generally you can find something which conforms to this guideline while offering the same benefits, so it usually is no more than an inconvenience.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 4:54
keshlam
41.5k1267144
edited Jul 25 '15 at 5:03
answered Jul 25 '15 at 4:54
keshlam
41.5k1267144
answered Jul 25 '15 at 4:54
keshlam
41.5k1267144
answered Jul 25 '15 at 4:54
keshlam
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41.5k1267144
It's also suitably vague that it can be used to get rid of a problem employee that hasn't technically violated any other policy
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 19:53
suggest improvements |Â
It's also suitably vague that it can be used to get rid of a problem employee that hasn't technically violated any other policy
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 19:53
It's also suitably vague that it can be used to get rid of a problem employee that hasn't technically violated any other policy
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 19:53
It's also suitably vague that it can be used to get rid of a problem employee that hasn't technically violated any other policy
– Richard U
Sep 23 '16 at 19:53
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
1
down vote
My interpretation of the sentence is that the employer has decided that the employer is better off with employees avoid these situations than getting into these situations and making a choice at the expense of the employer. This employer seems aware that making impossible or onerous demands is the surest way to make sure that these demands will not be complied with let alone met.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 5:25
Vietnhi Phuvan
68.9k7118254
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
1
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My interpretation of the sentence is that the employer has decided that the employer is better off with employees avoid these situations than getting into these situations and making a choice at the expense of the employer. This employer seems aware that making impossible or onerous demands is the surest way to make sure that these demands will not be complied with let alone met.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 5:25
Vietnhi Phuvan
68.9k7118254
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
1
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up vote
1
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My interpretation of the sentence is that the employer has decided that the employer is better off with employees avoid these situations than getting into these situations and making a choice at the expense of the employer. This employer seems aware that making impossible or onerous demands is the surest way to make sure that these demands will not be complied with let alone met.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 5:25
Vietnhi Phuvan
68.9k7118254
My interpretation of the sentence is that the employer has decided that the employer is better off with employees avoid these situations than getting into these situations and making a choice at the expense of the employer. This employer seems aware that making impossible or onerous demands is the surest way to make sure that these demands will not be complied with let alone met.
answered Jul 25 '15 at 5:25
Vietnhi Phuvan
68.9k7118254
answered Jul 25 '15 at 5:25
Vietnhi Phuvan
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answered Jul 25 '15 at 5:25
Vietnhi Phuvan
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answered Jul 25 '15 at 5:25
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No big deal, it is just an overly obtuse way of saying "avoid conflict of interest".
– Masked Man♦
Jul 25 '15 at 18:19
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It's too vague though. It's a very big deal.
– SE13013
Jul 26 '15 at 8:54
To me it actually lays out what they consider conflict of interest, so is more precise than wording that just says 'avoid conflict of interest' - your mileage clearly varies. It is a bit lawyerly, but kind of has to be...
– Jon Custer
Jul 26 '15 at 14:16
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how far can an employer go to control an employee's personal life and choices outside the workplace? - They can fire you for not following policy as long as that policy doesn't violate any laws or regulations.
– BSMP
Jul 27 '15 at 1:45