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What is the closest expression in Japanese that conveys a similar meaning to the English idiom "that ship has sailed", referring to an "missed opportunity" and "it's too late (to do anything about it)"?

The English phrase to me is discouraging and has a sense of futility, so I would like the Japanese expression to convey a similar feeling.

For the context in which I would like to use this Japanese phrase, here is a conversation alternating between two friends of a bachelor with feelings for someone named Karen:

• I thought he had eyes for Karen.


• Yeah, he told me that, too.


• Well she graduated and went back to Sweden. I heard she found a good job there in her field.


• Right, I think he had wanted to propose to her, but you know what's up. She still has a life and likes living nearby her relatives in Stockholm.


• Indeed. Whatever he tries at this point may be too little too late.


• I agree; she really likes him, but I think that ship has sailed.

EDIT: @Mindful suggested 時すでに遅し, which seems to be a common expression for "it's too late" and the Webolio dictionary lists it directly under the "that ship has sailed" idiom. I can't help but feel that this phrase sounds slightly plain compared to "that ship has sailed" even though the meaning may be correct.

In contrast, I have found 後の祭り as another expression used to express a similar meaning to "that ship has sailed" and it also seems to be somewhat less straightforward than simply 時すでに遅し. Would greatly appreciate if anyone could point out the nuance between these two phrases.

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What is the closest expression in Japanese that conveys a similar meaning to the English idiom "that ship has sailed", referring to an "missed opportunity" and "it's too late (to do anything about it)"?

The English phrase to me is discouraging and has a sense of futility, so I would like the Japanese expression to convey a similar feeling.

For the context in which I would like to use this Japanese phrase, here is a conversation alternating between two friends of a bachelor with feelings for someone named Karen:

• I thought he had eyes for Karen.


• Yeah, he told me that, too.


• Well she graduated and went back to Sweden. I heard she found a good job there in her field.


• Right, I think he had wanted to propose to her, but you know what's up. She still has a life and likes living nearby her relatives in Stockholm.


• Indeed. Whatever he tries at this point may be too little too late.


• I agree; she really likes him, but I think that ship has sailed.

EDIT: @Mindful suggested 時すでに遅し, which seems to be a common expression for "it's too late" and the Webolio dictionary lists it directly under the "that ship has sailed" idiom. I can't help but feel that this phrase sounds slightly plain compared to "that ship has sailed" even though the meaning may be correct.

In contrast, I have found 後の祭り as another expression used to express a similar meaning to "that ship has sailed" and it also seems to be somewhat less straightforward than simply 時すでに遅し. Would greatly appreciate if anyone could point out the nuance between these two phrases.

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What is the closest expression in Japanese that conveys a similar meaning to the English idiom "that ship has sailed", referring to an "missed opportunity" and "it's too late (to do anything about it)"?

The English phrase to me is discouraging and has a sense of futility, so I would like the Japanese expression to convey a similar feeling.

For the context in which I would like to use this Japanese phrase, here is a conversation alternating between two friends of a bachelor with feelings for someone named Karen:

• I thought he had eyes for Karen.


• Yeah, he told me that, too.


• Well she graduated and went back to Sweden. I heard she found a good job there in her field.


• Right, I think he had wanted to propose to her, but you know what's up. She still has a life and likes living nearby her relatives in Stockholm.


• Indeed. Whatever he tries at this point may be too little too late.


• I agree; she really likes him, but I think that ship has sailed.

EDIT: @Mindful suggested 時すでに遅し, which seems to be a common expression for "it's too late" and the Webolio dictionary lists it directly under the "that ship has sailed" idiom. I can't help but feel that this phrase sounds slightly plain compared to "that ship has sailed" even though the meaning may be correct.

In contrast, I have found 後の祭り as another expression used to express a similar meaning to "that ship has sailed" and it also seems to be somewhat less straightforward than simply 時すでに遅し. Would greatly appreciate if anyone could point out the nuance between these two phrases.

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What is the closest expression in Japanese that conveys a similar meaning to the English idiom "that ship has sailed", referring to an "missed opportunity" and "it's too late (to do anything about it)"?

The English phrase to me is discouraging and has a sense of futility, so I would like the Japanese expression to convey a similar feeling.

For the context in which I would like to use this Japanese phrase, here is a conversation alternating between two friends of a bachelor with feelings for someone named Karen:

• I thought he had eyes for Karen.


• Yeah, he told me that, too.


• Well she graduated and went back to Sweden. I heard she found a good job there in her field.


• Right, I think he had wanted to propose to her, but you know what's up. She still has a life and likes living nearby her relatives in Stockholm.


• Indeed. Whatever he tries at this point may be too little too late.


• I agree; she really likes him, but I think that ship has sailed.

EDIT: @Mindful suggested 時すでに遅し, which seems to be a common expression for "it's too late" and the Webolio dictionary lists it directly under the "that ship has sailed" idiom. I can't help but feel that this phrase sounds slightly plain compared to "that ship has sailed" even though the meaning may be correct.

In contrast, I have found 後の祭り as another expression used to express a similar meaning to "that ship has sailed" and it also seems to be somewhat less straightforward than simply 時すでに遅し. Would greatly appreciate if anyone could point out the nuance between these two phrases.

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Welcome to the Japanese language stack exchange! In general, we'd like to see previous research efforts for questions like this (as described here; trying some online dictionaries is usually a good start). That said, it's your first question and this is a great expression that I didn't know in Japanese either.

It looks like the expression you're looking for is:

時ときすでに遅おそし

according to Weblio. The definitions given here are also pretty in line with the feelings of "that ship has sailed".

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  Thank you! Japanese-Japanese dictionaries are still slightly intimidating to me, but I will try utilising them more in the future! With regards to the 時すでに遅し, is it correct to think that it has quite a straightforward meaning along the lines of "the time is already late"? Is there any difference between it and using something like "もう遅い”? Lastly, I have found the phrase "後の祭り” which seems to be used in the same way as "that ship has sailed", but I don't really understand the nuance. Is there any difference between "後の祭り” and ”時すでに遅し”?
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  Google searches for <english>+意味 do a lot too. I just searched "that ship has sailed 意味". The meaning is fairly straightforward as you've said, though as a set expression it likely has its own set of nuances. 後の祭り does seem to mean something similar, but minute differences in nuance between it and other terms are really different questions altogether. There's a whole list of possible alternatives here: thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/…
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  The list of alternatives to 時すでに遅し (as you posted) and also 後の祭り (thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/後の祭り) looks like a great starting point to study these differences. Thanks!
  – Yellow Pumpkin
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  Sure; I also encourage you to be open to looking up definitions in monolingual dictionaries too. It's often not as bad as it initially seems. Also, if you feel your question has been answered, feel free to accept my answer.
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Welcome to the Japanese language stack exchange! In general, we'd like to see previous research efforts for questions like this (as described here; trying some online dictionaries is usually a good start). That said, it's your first question and this is a great expression that I didn't know in Japanese either.

It looks like the expression you're looking for is:

時ときすでに遅おそし

according to Weblio. The definitions given here are also pretty in line with the feelings of "that ship has sailed".

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Mindful

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  Thank you! Japanese-Japanese dictionaries are still slightly intimidating to me, but I will try utilising them more in the future! With regards to the 時すでに遅し, is it correct to think that it has quite a straightforward meaning along the lines of "the time is already late"? Is there any difference between it and using something like "もう遅い”? Lastly, I have found the phrase "後の祭り” which seems to be used in the same way as "that ship has sailed", but I don't really understand the nuance. Is there any difference between "後の祭り” and ”時すでに遅し”?
  – Yellow Pumpkin
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Google searches for <english>+意味 do a lot too. I just searched "that ship has sailed 意味". The meaning is fairly straightforward as you've said, though as a set expression it likely has its own set of nuances. 後の祭り does seem to mean something similar, but minute differences in nuance between it and other terms are really different questions altogether. There's a whole list of possible alternatives here: thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/…
  – Mindful
  2 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  The list of alternatives to 時すでに遅し (as you posted) and also 後の祭り (thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/後の祭り) looks like a great starting point to study these differences. Thanks!
  – Yellow Pumpkin
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Sure; I also encourage you to be open to looking up definitions in monolingual dictionaries too. It's often not as bad as it initially seems. Also, if you feel your question has been answered, feel free to accept my answer.
  – Mindful
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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Welcome to the Japanese language stack exchange! In general, we'd like to see previous research efforts for questions like this (as described here; trying some online dictionaries is usually a good start). That said, it's your first question and this is a great expression that I didn't know in Japanese either.

It looks like the expression you're looking for is:

時ときすでに遅おそし

according to Weblio. The definitions given here are also pretty in line with the feelings of "that ship has sailed".

share|improve this answer

edited 14 mins ago

Tommy

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answered 4 hours ago

Mindful

1,6431613

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thank you! Japanese-Japanese dictionaries are still slightly intimidating to me, but I will try utilising them more in the future! With regards to the 時すでに遅し, is it correct to think that it has quite a straightforward meaning along the lines of "the time is already late"? Is there any difference between it and using something like "もう遅い”? Lastly, I have found the phrase "後の祭り” which seems to be used in the same way as "that ship has sailed", but I don't really understand the nuance. Is there any difference between "後の祭り” and ”時すでに遅し”?
  – Yellow Pumpkin
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Google searches for <english>+意味 do a lot too. I just searched "that ship has sailed 意味". The meaning is fairly straightforward as you've said, though as a set expression it likely has its own set of nuances. 後の祭り does seem to mean something similar, but minute differences in nuance between it and other terms are really different questions altogether. There's a whole list of possible alternatives here: thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/…
  – Mindful
  2 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  The list of alternatives to 時すでに遅し (as you posted) and also 後の祭り (thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/後の祭り) looks like a great starting point to study these differences. Thanks!
  – Yellow Pumpkin
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Sure; I also encourage you to be open to looking up definitions in monolingual dictionaries too. It's often not as bad as it initially seems. Also, if you feel your question has been answered, feel free to accept my answer.
  – Mindful
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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Welcome to the Japanese language stack exchange! In general, we'd like to see previous research efforts for questions like this (as described here; trying some online dictionaries is usually a good start). That said, it's your first question and this is a great expression that I didn't know in Japanese either.

It looks like the expression you're looking for is:

時ときすでに遅おそし

according to Weblio. The definitions given here are also pretty in line with the feelings of "that ship has sailed".

share|improve this answer

edited 14 mins ago

Tommy

5,522722

answered 4 hours ago

Mindful

1,6431613

Welcome to the Japanese language stack exchange! In general, we'd like to see previous research efforts for questions like this (as described here; trying some online dictionaries is usually a good start). That said, it's your first question and this is a great expression that I didn't know in Japanese either.

It looks like the expression you're looking for is:

時ときすでに遅おそし

according to Weblio. The definitions given here are also pretty in line with the feelings of "that ship has sailed".

share|improve this answer

edited 14 mins ago

Tommy

5,522722

answered 4 hours ago

Mindful

1,6431613

share|improve this answer

share|improve this answer

edited 14 mins ago

Tommy

5,522722

edited 14 mins ago

Tommy

5,522722

edited 14 mins ago

Tommy

5,522722

5,522722

answered 4 hours ago

Mindful

1,6431613

answered 4 hours ago

Mindful

1,6431613

answered 4 hours ago

Mindful

1,6431613

1,6431613

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thank you! Japanese-Japanese dictionaries are still slightly intimidating to me, but I will try utilising them more in the future! With regards to the 時すでに遅し, is it correct to think that it has quite a straightforward meaning along the lines of "the time is already late"? Is there any difference between it and using something like "もう遅い”? Lastly, I have found the phrase "後の祭り” which seems to be used in the same way as "that ship has sailed", but I don't really understand the nuance. Is there any difference between "後の祭り” and ”時すでに遅し”?
  – Yellow Pumpkin
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Google searches for <english>+意味 do a lot too. I just searched "that ship has sailed 意味". The meaning is fairly straightforward as you've said, though as a set expression it likely has its own set of nuances. 後の祭り does seem to mean something similar, but minute differences in nuance between it and other terms are really different questions altogether. There's a whole list of possible alternatives here: thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/…
  – Mindful
  2 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  The list of alternatives to 時すでに遅し (as you posted) and also 後の祭り (thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/後の祭り) looks like a great starting point to study these differences. Thanks!
  – Yellow Pumpkin
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Sure; I also encourage you to be open to looking up definitions in monolingual dictionaries too. It's often not as bad as it initially seems. Also, if you feel your question has been answered, feel free to accept my answer.
  – Mindful
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thank you! Japanese-Japanese dictionaries are still slightly intimidating to me, but I will try utilising them more in the future! With regards to the 時すでに遅し, is it correct to think that it has quite a straightforward meaning along the lines of "the time is already late"? Is there any difference between it and using something like "もう遅い”? Lastly, I have found the phrase "後の祭り” which seems to be used in the same way as "that ship has sailed", but I don't really understand the nuance. Is there any difference between "後の祭り” and ”時すでに遅し”?
  – Yellow Pumpkin
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Google searches for <english>+意味 do a lot too. I just searched "that ship has sailed 意味". The meaning is fairly straightforward as you've said, though as a set expression it likely has its own set of nuances. 後の祭り does seem to mean something similar, but minute differences in nuance between it and other terms are really different questions altogether. There's a whole list of possible alternatives here: thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/…
  – Mindful
  2 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  The list of alternatives to 時すでに遅し (as you posted) and also 後の祭り (thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/後の祭り) looks like a great starting point to study these differences. Thanks!
  – Yellow Pumpkin
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Sure; I also encourage you to be open to looking up definitions in monolingual dictionaries too. It's often not as bad as it initially seems. Also, if you feel your question has been answered, feel free to accept my answer.
  – Mindful
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

Thank you! Japanese-Japanese dictionaries are still slightly intimidating to me, but I will try utilising them more in the future! With regards to the 時すでに遅し, is it correct to think that it has quite a straightforward meaning along the lines of "the time is already late"? Is there any difference between it and using something like "もう遅い”? Lastly, I have found the phrase "後の祭り” which seems to be used in the same way as "that ship has sailed", but I don't really understand the nuance. Is there any difference between "後の祭り” and ”時すでに遅し”?
– Yellow Pumpkin
3 hours ago

Thank you! Japanese-Japanese dictionaries are still slightly intimidating to me, but I will try utilising them more in the future! With regards to the 時すでに遅し, is it correct to think that it has quite a straightforward meaning along the lines of "the time is already late"? Is there any difference between it and using something like "もう遅い”? Lastly, I have found the phrase "後の祭り” which seems to be used in the same way as "that ship has sailed", but I don't really understand the nuance. Is there any difference between "後の祭り” and ”時すでに遅し”?
– Yellow Pumpkin
3 hours ago

Google searches for <english>+意味 do a lot too. I just searched "that ship has sailed 意味". The meaning is fairly straightforward as you've said, though as a set expression it likely has its own set of nuances. 後の祭り does seem to mean something similar, but minute differences in nuance between it and other terms are really different questions altogether. There's a whole list of possible alternatives here: thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/…
– Mindful
2 hours ago

Google searches for <english>+意味 do a lot too. I just searched "that ship has sailed 意味". The meaning is fairly straightforward as you've said, though as a set expression it likely has its own set of nuances. 後の祭り does seem to mean something similar, but minute differences in nuance between it and other terms are really different questions altogether. There's a whole list of possible alternatives here: thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/…
– Mindful
2 hours ago

The list of alternatives to 時すでに遅し (as you posted) and also 後の祭り (thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/後の祭り) looks like a great starting point to study these differences. Thanks!
– Yellow Pumpkin
2 hours ago

The list of alternatives to 時すでに遅し (as you posted) and also 後の祭り (thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/後の祭り) looks like a great starting point to study these differences. Thanks!
– Yellow Pumpkin
2 hours ago

Sure; I also encourage you to be open to looking up definitions in monolingual dictionaries too. It's often not as bad as it initially seems. Also, if you feel your question has been answered, feel free to accept my answer.
– Mindful
2 hours ago

Sure; I also encourage you to be open to looking up definitions in monolingual dictionaries too. It's often not as bad as it initially seems. Also, if you feel your question has been answered, feel free to accept my answer.
– Mindful
2 hours ago

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