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I am a druid shaped into a Quetzalcoatlus, a huge flying creature. I see a Brontosaurus and know I can grapple a creature up to one size larger (up to gargantuan). To everyone's surprise, I succeed in grappling the mighty beast despite it's imense strength.
I decide to try flying off with the Brontosaurus. Can I do it?
This previous answer suggests to me that this is indeed possible, and that carrying restrictions have nothing to do with moving with a grappled creature:
Does carrying/dragging a willing/unconscious creature cause half movement as per the grapple rules?
Can I really FLY while holding onto a creature weighing more than 30 times my own weight? This could also apply I suppose to a large bird flying off with a huge beast, etc.
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I am a druid shaped into a Quetzalcoatlus, a huge flying creature. I see a Brontosaurus and know I can grapple a creature up to one size larger (up to gargantuan). To everyone's surprise, I succeed in grappling the mighty beast despite it's imense strength.
I decide to try flying off with the Brontosaurus. Can I do it?
This previous answer suggests to me that this is indeed possible, and that carrying restrictions have nothing to do with moving with a grappled creature:
Does carrying/dragging a willing/unconscious creature cause half movement as per the grapple rules?
Can I really FLY while holding onto a creature weighing more than 30 times my own weight? This could also apply I suppose to a large bird flying off with a huge beast, etc.
dnd-5e rules-as-written grapple creature-size
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Related on Does carrying/dragging a willing/unconscious creature cause half movement as per the grapple rules?
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1 hour ago
Related on Can a monster with a flying speed lift a grappled pc and then drop them?
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1 hour ago
Yes there's been some discussion, and I remain uncertain. The rules mention "drag or carry" but it is unclear whether that brings in the drag and carry rules. The comment by Jeremy Crawford also brings this into question: "The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size."
– Behacad
58 mins ago
I'm confused. The top rated answer to the most relevant question suggests NOT utilizing the push, drag, and lift rules: "he states that the Lift/Carry rules do not apply to Grappling."
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46 mins ago
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I am a druid shaped into a Quetzalcoatlus, a huge flying creature. I see a Brontosaurus and know I can grapple a creature up to one size larger (up to gargantuan). To everyone's surprise, I succeed in grappling the mighty beast despite it's imense strength.
I decide to try flying off with the Brontosaurus. Can I do it?
This previous answer suggests to me that this is indeed possible, and that carrying restrictions have nothing to do with moving with a grappled creature:
Does carrying/dragging a willing/unconscious creature cause half movement as per the grapple rules?
Can I really FLY while holding onto a creature weighing more than 30 times my own weight? This could also apply I suppose to a large bird flying off with a huge beast, etc.
dnd-5e rules-as-written grapple creature-size
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I am a druid shaped into a Quetzalcoatlus, a huge flying creature. I see a Brontosaurus and know I can grapple a creature up to one size larger (up to gargantuan). To everyone's surprise, I succeed in grappling the mighty beast despite it's imense strength.
I decide to try flying off with the Brontosaurus. Can I do it?
This previous answer suggests to me that this is indeed possible, and that carrying restrictions have nothing to do with moving with a grappled creature:
Does carrying/dragging a willing/unconscious creature cause half movement as per the grapple rules?
Can I really FLY while holding onto a creature weighing more than 30 times my own weight? This could also apply I suppose to a large bird flying off with a huge beast, etc.
dnd-5e rules-as-written grapple creature-size
dnd-5e rules-as-written grapple creature-size
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Related on Does carrying/dragging a willing/unconscious creature cause half movement as per the grapple rules?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Related on Can a monster with a flying speed lift a grappled pc and then drop them?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Yes there's been some discussion, and I remain uncertain. The rules mention "drag or carry" but it is unclear whether that brings in the drag and carry rules. The comment by Jeremy Crawford also brings this into question: "The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size."
– Behacad
58 mins ago
I'm confused. The top rated answer to the most relevant question suggests NOT utilizing the push, drag, and lift rules: "he states that the Lift/Carry rules do not apply to Grappling."
– Behacad
46 mins ago
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Related on Does carrying/dragging a willing/unconscious creature cause half movement as per the grapple rules?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Related on Can a monster with a flying speed lift a grappled pc and then drop them?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Yes there's been some discussion, and I remain uncertain. The rules mention "drag or carry" but it is unclear whether that brings in the drag and carry rules. The comment by Jeremy Crawford also brings this into question: "The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size."
– Behacad
58 mins ago
I'm confused. The top rated answer to the most relevant question suggests NOT utilizing the push, drag, and lift rules: "he states that the Lift/Carry rules do not apply to Grappling."
– Behacad
46 mins ago
Related on Does carrying/dragging a willing/unconscious creature cause half movement as per the grapple rules?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Related on Does carrying/dragging a willing/unconscious creature cause half movement as per the grapple rules?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Related on Can a monster with a flying speed lift a grappled pc and then drop them?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Related on Can a monster with a flying speed lift a grappled pc and then drop them?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Yes there's been some discussion, and I remain uncertain. The rules mention "drag or carry" but it is unclear whether that brings in the drag and carry rules. The comment by Jeremy Crawford also brings this into question: "The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size."
– Behacad
58 mins ago
Yes there's been some discussion, and I remain uncertain. The rules mention "drag or carry" but it is unclear whether that brings in the drag and carry rules. The comment by Jeremy Crawford also brings this into question: "The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size."
– Behacad
58 mins ago
I'm confused. The top rated answer to the most relevant question suggests NOT utilizing the push, drag, and lift rules: "he states that the Lift/Carry rules do not apply to Grappling."
– Behacad
46 mins ago
I'm confused. The top rated answer to the most relevant question suggests NOT utilizing the push, drag, and lift rules: "he states that the Lift/Carry rules do not apply to Grappling."
– Behacad
46 mins ago
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RAW depends on whether or not your table considers weights of monsters.
The case for only 1/2 movement
Most monsters in the DMG do not have assigned weight values. Because of this, Jeremy Crawford ontwitterhas simplified the answer as to moving grappled creatures to size only:
The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
...The rule doesn't rely on weight largely because we don't specify weight for most monsters.
The case for applying push/drag/lift rules along with 1/2 movement
But we do know approximately how much these dinosaurs weighed and a DM could utilize that - but they do not have to.
If they do, then what's going on here is the interaction of two separate rules: those for grappling and those for pushing/dragging/lifting. We need to look at each and how they work together to answer this.
The rules on pushing, lifting, and dragging state:
Push, Drag or Lift You can push, drag, or lift a weight in pounds up to twice your carrying capacity (or 30 times your Strength score). While pushing or dragging weight in excess of your carrying capacity, your speed drops to 5 feet.
Size and Strength Larger creatures can bear more weight, whereas Tiny creatures can carry less. For each size category above Medium, double the creature's carrying capacity and the amount it can push, drag, or lift
The Quetzalcoatlus has a strength of 15 (as noted) and is also Huge, which means it's maximum drag/lift weight is 1800lbs. Because the weight of the Brontosaurus exceeds that, your movement is dropped to 5'.
Dragging/Lifting/Carrying a Grapple creature
This answer covers this, but to summarize, the language for grappling states (my emphasis):
When you move, you can drag or carry the grapplee with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you.
This specifically states the terms drag and carry which are the mechanical terms described above and should therefore still apply. Your movement is still halved, so you'd only be able to move 2.5 feet.
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Read the answer by Dinomaster. You might find that the push, drag, lift rules do not apply to moving a grappled creature.
– Behacad
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I think that's a misunderstanding of how JC's tweet is meant to be applied in situations like this.
– Xirema
1 hour ago
This answer might benefit, given the prevalence of citations to the aforementioned JC tweet, from an explanation of how the grappling rules do or do not apply to flight speed (or movement speed in general).
– Xirema
1 hour ago
@Xirema I've linked to the related questions concerning that to the main question. Do you think I need readdress those Q&As in the answer?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I've added some more to further explain - but if you truly believe there is a different answer, you can absolutely submit it yourself. That's the preferred method over debating another answer in comments.
– NautArch
44 mins ago
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RAW: Yes you can
Jeremy Crawford (official voice of rules for WotC) has tweeded:
Q: is pushing/dragging a grappled creature subject to the carrying capacity rules?
A: The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/907788900998946816
This rules says on the subject:
Moving a Grappled Creature. When you move, you can drag or carry the grappled creature with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you. (PHB 195)
As opposed to the rules for Lifting and Carrying (PHB 176) which applies to objects.
Now as a DM I would apply some common sense restrictions on this especially if you want to take the Bronto for a flight. I would probably call that you can drag it 5 feet (as the rule of pushing/draging something past your carring capacity)
answered 1 hour ago
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Taking it for a flight is the whole point of this question I suppose. But it sounds like you would be imposing a rule when there is none (by RAW)? Love your username by the way. Right from the source! When does "common sense" come into play though? Can a giant eagle fly off with a giant?
– Behacad
1 hour ago
The RAW (rules as writen) and by Jerreny's answer apparantly RAI (rules as intended) you can move a creature up to a size bigger or smaller at half speed while grappling it. And common sense is saying that this is a case where the DM says it is. This is one of those cases where the rules cannot account easily for extreme cases
– Dinomaster
1 hour ago
+1. I hope any downvoters will explain their votes beyond "this rule is dumb," which it obviously is. But still the rule.
– Michael W.
48 mins ago
I don't get the downvotes. The rules might be silly but the answer is well presented.
– Behacad
45 mins ago
Downvoted for a lack of critical thinking. Endorsing bad rules is not useful.
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RAW depends on whether or not your table considers weights of monsters.
The case for only 1/2 movement
Most monsters in the DMG do not have assigned weight values. Because of this, Jeremy Crawford ontwitterhas simplified the answer as to moving grappled creatures to size only:
The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
...The rule doesn't rely on weight largely because we don't specify weight for most monsters.
The case for applying push/drag/lift rules along with 1/2 movement
But we do know approximately how much these dinosaurs weighed and a DM could utilize that - but they do not have to.
If they do, then what's going on here is the interaction of two separate rules: those for grappling and those for pushing/dragging/lifting. We need to look at each and how they work together to answer this.
The rules on pushing, lifting, and dragging state:
Push, Drag or Lift You can push, drag, or lift a weight in pounds up to twice your carrying capacity (or 30 times your Strength score). While pushing or dragging weight in excess of your carrying capacity, your speed drops to 5 feet.
Size and Strength Larger creatures can bear more weight, whereas Tiny creatures can carry less. For each size category above Medium, double the creature's carrying capacity and the amount it can push, drag, or lift
The Quetzalcoatlus has a strength of 15 (as noted) and is also Huge, which means it's maximum drag/lift weight is 1800lbs. Because the weight of the Brontosaurus exceeds that, your movement is dropped to 5'.
Dragging/Lifting/Carrying a Grapple creature
This answer covers this, but to summarize, the language for grappling states (my emphasis):
When you move, you can drag or carry the grapplee with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you.
This specifically states the terms drag and carry which are the mechanical terms described above and should therefore still apply. Your movement is still halved, so you'd only be able to move 2.5 feet.
answered 1 hour ago
NautArch
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Read the answer by Dinomaster. You might find that the push, drag, lift rules do not apply to moving a grappled creature.
– Behacad
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I think that's a misunderstanding of how JC's tweet is meant to be applied in situations like this.
– Xirema
1 hour ago
This answer might benefit, given the prevalence of citations to the aforementioned JC tweet, from an explanation of how the grappling rules do or do not apply to flight speed (or movement speed in general).
– Xirema
1 hour ago
@Xirema I've linked to the related questions concerning that to the main question. Do you think I need readdress those Q&As in the answer?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I've added some more to further explain - but if you truly believe there is a different answer, you can absolutely submit it yourself. That's the preferred method over debating another answer in comments.
– NautArch
44 mins ago
 |Â
show 5 more comments
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
RAW depends on whether or not your table considers weights of monsters.
The case for only 1/2 movement
Most monsters in the DMG do not have assigned weight values. Because of this, Jeremy Crawford ontwitterhas simplified the answer as to moving grappled creatures to size only:
The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
...The rule doesn't rely on weight largely because we don't specify weight for most monsters.
The case for applying push/drag/lift rules along with 1/2 movement
But we do know approximately how much these dinosaurs weighed and a DM could utilize that - but they do not have to.
If they do, then what's going on here is the interaction of two separate rules: those for grappling and those for pushing/dragging/lifting. We need to look at each and how they work together to answer this.
The rules on pushing, lifting, and dragging state:
Push, Drag or Lift You can push, drag, or lift a weight in pounds up to twice your carrying capacity (or 30 times your Strength score). While pushing or dragging weight in excess of your carrying capacity, your speed drops to 5 feet.
Size and Strength Larger creatures can bear more weight, whereas Tiny creatures can carry less. For each size category above Medium, double the creature's carrying capacity and the amount it can push, drag, or lift
The Quetzalcoatlus has a strength of 15 (as noted) and is also Huge, which means it's maximum drag/lift weight is 1800lbs. Because the weight of the Brontosaurus exceeds that, your movement is dropped to 5'.
Dragging/Lifting/Carrying a Grapple creature
This answer covers this, but to summarize, the language for grappling states (my emphasis):
When you move, you can drag or carry the grapplee with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you.
This specifically states the terms drag and carry which are the mechanical terms described above and should therefore still apply. Your movement is still halved, so you'd only be able to move 2.5 feet.
answered 1 hour ago
NautArch
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Read the answer by Dinomaster. You might find that the push, drag, lift rules do not apply to moving a grappled creature.
– Behacad
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I think that's a misunderstanding of how JC's tweet is meant to be applied in situations like this.
– Xirema
1 hour ago
This answer might benefit, given the prevalence of citations to the aforementioned JC tweet, from an explanation of how the grappling rules do or do not apply to flight speed (or movement speed in general).
– Xirema
1 hour ago
@Xirema I've linked to the related questions concerning that to the main question. Do you think I need readdress those Q&As in the answer?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I've added some more to further explain - but if you truly believe there is a different answer, you can absolutely submit it yourself. That's the preferred method over debating another answer in comments.
– NautArch
44 mins ago
 |Â
show 5 more comments
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
RAW depends on whether or not your table considers weights of monsters.
The case for only 1/2 movement
Most monsters in the DMG do not have assigned weight values. Because of this, Jeremy Crawford ontwitterhas simplified the answer as to moving grappled creatures to size only:
The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
...The rule doesn't rely on weight largely because we don't specify weight for most monsters.
The case for applying push/drag/lift rules along with 1/2 movement
But we do know approximately how much these dinosaurs weighed and a DM could utilize that - but they do not have to.
If they do, then what's going on here is the interaction of two separate rules: those for grappling and those for pushing/dragging/lifting. We need to look at each and how they work together to answer this.
The rules on pushing, lifting, and dragging state:
Push, Drag or Lift You can push, drag, or lift a weight in pounds up to twice your carrying capacity (or 30 times your Strength score). While pushing or dragging weight in excess of your carrying capacity, your speed drops to 5 feet.
Size and Strength Larger creatures can bear more weight, whereas Tiny creatures can carry less. For each size category above Medium, double the creature's carrying capacity and the amount it can push, drag, or lift
The Quetzalcoatlus has a strength of 15 (as noted) and is also Huge, which means it's maximum drag/lift weight is 1800lbs. Because the weight of the Brontosaurus exceeds that, your movement is dropped to 5'.
Dragging/Lifting/Carrying a Grapple creature
This answer covers this, but to summarize, the language for grappling states (my emphasis):
When you move, you can drag or carry the grapplee with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you.
This specifically states the terms drag and carry which are the mechanical terms described above and should therefore still apply. Your movement is still halved, so you'd only be able to move 2.5 feet.
answered 1 hour ago
NautArch
46.8k6167318
RAW depends on whether or not your table considers weights of monsters.
The case for only 1/2 movement
Most monsters in the DMG do not have assigned weight values. Because of this, Jeremy Crawford ontwitterhas simplified the answer as to moving grappled creatures to size only:
The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
...The rule doesn't rely on weight largely because we don't specify weight for most monsters.
The case for applying push/drag/lift rules along with 1/2 movement
But we do know approximately how much these dinosaurs weighed and a DM could utilize that - but they do not have to.
If they do, then what's going on here is the interaction of two separate rules: those for grappling and those for pushing/dragging/lifting. We need to look at each and how they work together to answer this.
The rules on pushing, lifting, and dragging state:
Push, Drag or Lift You can push, drag, or lift a weight in pounds up to twice your carrying capacity (or 30 times your Strength score). While pushing or dragging weight in excess of your carrying capacity, your speed drops to 5 feet.
Size and Strength Larger creatures can bear more weight, whereas Tiny creatures can carry less. For each size category above Medium, double the creature's carrying capacity and the amount it can push, drag, or lift
The Quetzalcoatlus has a strength of 15 (as noted) and is also Huge, which means it's maximum drag/lift weight is 1800lbs. Because the weight of the Brontosaurus exceeds that, your movement is dropped to 5'.
Dragging/Lifting/Carrying a Grapple creature
This answer covers this, but to summarize, the language for grappling states (my emphasis):
When you move, you can drag or carry the grapplee with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you.
This specifically states the terms drag and carry which are the mechanical terms described above and should therefore still apply. Your movement is still halved, so you'd only be able to move 2.5 feet.
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Read the answer by Dinomaster. You might find that the push, drag, lift rules do not apply to moving a grappled creature.
– Behacad
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I think that's a misunderstanding of how JC's tweet is meant to be applied in situations like this.
– Xirema
1 hour ago
This answer might benefit, given the prevalence of citations to the aforementioned JC tweet, from an explanation of how the grappling rules do or do not apply to flight speed (or movement speed in general).
– Xirema
1 hour ago
@Xirema I've linked to the related questions concerning that to the main question. Do you think I need readdress those Q&As in the answer?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I've added some more to further explain - but if you truly believe there is a different answer, you can absolutely submit it yourself. That's the preferred method over debating another answer in comments.
– NautArch
44 mins ago
 |Â
show 5 more comments
Read the answer by Dinomaster. You might find that the push, drag, lift rules do not apply to moving a grappled creature.
– Behacad
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I think that's a misunderstanding of how JC's tweet is meant to be applied in situations like this.
– Xirema
1 hour ago
This answer might benefit, given the prevalence of citations to the aforementioned JC tweet, from an explanation of how the grappling rules do or do not apply to flight speed (or movement speed in general).
– Xirema
1 hour ago
@Xirema I've linked to the related questions concerning that to the main question. Do you think I need readdress those Q&As in the answer?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
@Behacad I've added some more to further explain - but if you truly believe there is a different answer, you can absolutely submit it yourself. That's the preferred method over debating another answer in comments.
– NautArch
44 mins ago
Read the answer by Dinomaster. You might find that the push, drag, lift rules do not apply to moving a grappled creature.
– Behacad
1 hour ago
Read the answer by Dinomaster. You might find that the push, drag, lift rules do not apply to moving a grappled creature.
– Behacad
1 hour ago
1
1
@Behacad I think that's a misunderstanding of how JC's tweet is meant to be applied in situations like this.
– Xirema
1 hour ago
@Behacad I think that's a misunderstanding of how JC's tweet is meant to be applied in situations like this.
– Xirema
1 hour ago
This answer might benefit, given the prevalence of citations to the aforementioned JC tweet, from an explanation of how the grappling rules do or do not apply to flight speed (or movement speed in general).
– Xirema
1 hour ago
This answer might benefit, given the prevalence of citations to the aforementioned JC tweet, from an explanation of how the grappling rules do or do not apply to flight speed (or movement speed in general).
– Xirema
1 hour ago
@Xirema I've linked to the related questions concerning that to the main question. Do you think I need readdress those Q&As in the answer?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
@Xirema I've linked to the related questions concerning that to the main question. Do you think I need readdress those Q&As in the answer?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
1
@Behacad I've added some more to further explain - but if you truly believe there is a different answer, you can absolutely submit it yourself. That's the preferred method over debating another answer in comments.
– NautArch
44 mins ago
@Behacad I've added some more to further explain - but if you truly believe there is a different answer, you can absolutely submit it yourself. That's the preferred method over debating another answer in comments.
– NautArch
44 mins ago
 |Â
show 5 more comments
up vote
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RAW: Yes you can
Jeremy Crawford (official voice of rules for WotC) has tweeded:
Q: is pushing/dragging a grappled creature subject to the carrying capacity rules?
A: The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/907788900998946816
This rules says on the subject:
Moving a Grappled Creature. When you move, you can drag or carry the grappled creature with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you. (PHB 195)
As opposed to the rules for Lifting and Carrying (PHB 176) which applies to objects.
Now as a DM I would apply some common sense restrictions on this especially if you want to take the Bronto for a flight. I would probably call that you can drag it 5 feet (as the rule of pushing/draging something past your carring capacity)
answered 1 hour ago
Dinomaster
640110
Taking it for a flight is the whole point of this question I suppose. But it sounds like you would be imposing a rule when there is none (by RAW)? Love your username by the way. Right from the source! When does "common sense" come into play though? Can a giant eagle fly off with a giant?
– Behacad
1 hour ago
The RAW (rules as writen) and by Jerreny's answer apparantly RAI (rules as intended) you can move a creature up to a size bigger or smaller at half speed while grappling it. And common sense is saying that this is a case where the DM says it is. This is one of those cases where the rules cannot account easily for extreme cases
– Dinomaster
1 hour ago
+1. I hope any downvoters will explain their votes beyond "this rule is dumb," which it obviously is. But still the rule.
– Michael W.
48 mins ago
I don't get the downvotes. The rules might be silly but the answer is well presented.
– Behacad
45 mins ago
Downvoted for a lack of critical thinking. Endorsing bad rules is not useful.
– Mark Wells
15 mins ago
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
2
down vote
RAW: Yes you can
Jeremy Crawford (official voice of rules for WotC) has tweeded:
Q: is pushing/dragging a grappled creature subject to the carrying capacity rules?
A: The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/907788900998946816
This rules says on the subject:
Moving a Grappled Creature. When you move, you can drag or carry the grappled creature with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you. (PHB 195)
As opposed to the rules for Lifting and Carrying (PHB 176) which applies to objects.
Now as a DM I would apply some common sense restrictions on this especially if you want to take the Bronto for a flight. I would probably call that you can drag it 5 feet (as the rule of pushing/draging something past your carring capacity)
answered 1 hour ago
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Taking it for a flight is the whole point of this question I suppose. But it sounds like you would be imposing a rule when there is none (by RAW)? Love your username by the way. Right from the source! When does "common sense" come into play though? Can a giant eagle fly off with a giant?
– Behacad
1 hour ago
The RAW (rules as writen) and by Jerreny's answer apparantly RAI (rules as intended) you can move a creature up to a size bigger or smaller at half speed while grappling it. And common sense is saying that this is a case where the DM says it is. This is one of those cases where the rules cannot account easily for extreme cases
– Dinomaster
1 hour ago
+1. I hope any downvoters will explain their votes beyond "this rule is dumb," which it obviously is. But still the rule.
– Michael W.
48 mins ago
I don't get the downvotes. The rules might be silly but the answer is well presented.
– Behacad
45 mins ago
Downvoted for a lack of critical thinking. Endorsing bad rules is not useful.
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RAW: Yes you can
Jeremy Crawford (official voice of rules for WotC) has tweeded:
Q: is pushing/dragging a grappled creature subject to the carrying capacity rules?
A: The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/907788900998946816
This rules says on the subject:
Moving a Grappled Creature. When you move, you can drag or carry the grappled creature with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you. (PHB 195)
As opposed to the rules for Lifting and Carrying (PHB 176) which applies to objects.
Now as a DM I would apply some common sense restrictions on this especially if you want to take the Bronto for a flight. I would probably call that you can drag it 5 feet (as the rule of pushing/draging something past your carring capacity)
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RAW: Yes you can
Jeremy Crawford (official voice of rules for WotC) has tweeded:
Q: is pushing/dragging a grappled creature subject to the carrying capacity rules?
A: The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/907788900998946816
This rules says on the subject:
Moving a Grappled Creature. When you move, you can drag or carry the grappled creature with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you. (PHB 195)
As opposed to the rules for Lifting and Carrying (PHB 176) which applies to objects.
Now as a DM I would apply some common sense restrictions on this especially if you want to take the Bronto for a flight. I would probably call that you can drag it 5 feet (as the rule of pushing/draging something past your carring capacity)
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Taking it for a flight is the whole point of this question I suppose. But it sounds like you would be imposing a rule when there is none (by RAW)? Love your username by the way. Right from the source! When does "common sense" come into play though? Can a giant eagle fly off with a giant?
– Behacad
1 hour ago
The RAW (rules as writen) and by Jerreny's answer apparantly RAI (rules as intended) you can move a creature up to a size bigger or smaller at half speed while grappling it. And common sense is saying that this is a case where the DM says it is. This is one of those cases where the rules cannot account easily for extreme cases
– Dinomaster
1 hour ago
+1. I hope any downvoters will explain their votes beyond "this rule is dumb," which it obviously is. But still the rule.
– Michael W.
48 mins ago
I don't get the downvotes. The rules might be silly but the answer is well presented.
– Behacad
45 mins ago
Downvoted for a lack of critical thinking. Endorsing bad rules is not useful.
– Mark Wells
15 mins ago
 |Â
show 1 more comment
Taking it for a flight is the whole point of this question I suppose. But it sounds like you would be imposing a rule when there is none (by RAW)? Love your username by the way. Right from the source! When does "common sense" come into play though? Can a giant eagle fly off with a giant?
– Behacad
1 hour ago
The RAW (rules as writen) and by Jerreny's answer apparantly RAI (rules as intended) you can move a creature up to a size bigger or smaller at half speed while grappling it. And common sense is saying that this is a case where the DM says it is. This is one of those cases where the rules cannot account easily for extreme cases
– Dinomaster
1 hour ago
+1. I hope any downvoters will explain their votes beyond "this rule is dumb," which it obviously is. But still the rule.
– Michael W.
48 mins ago
I don't get the downvotes. The rules might be silly but the answer is well presented.
– Behacad
45 mins ago
Downvoted for a lack of critical thinking. Endorsing bad rules is not useful.
– Mark Wells
15 mins ago
Taking it for a flight is the whole point of this question I suppose. But it sounds like you would be imposing a rule when there is none (by RAW)? Love your username by the way. Right from the source! When does "common sense" come into play though? Can a giant eagle fly off with a giant?
– Behacad
1 hour ago
Taking it for a flight is the whole point of this question I suppose. But it sounds like you would be imposing a rule when there is none (by RAW)? Love your username by the way. Right from the source! When does "common sense" come into play though? Can a giant eagle fly off with a giant?
– Behacad
1 hour ago
The RAW (rules as writen) and by Jerreny's answer apparantly RAI (rules as intended) you can move a creature up to a size bigger or smaller at half speed while grappling it. And common sense is saying that this is a case where the DM says it is. This is one of those cases where the rules cannot account easily for extreme cases
– Dinomaster
1 hour ago
The RAW (rules as writen) and by Jerreny's answer apparantly RAI (rules as intended) you can move a creature up to a size bigger or smaller at half speed while grappling it. And common sense is saying that this is a case where the DM says it is. This is one of those cases where the rules cannot account easily for extreme cases
– Dinomaster
1 hour ago
+1. I hope any downvoters will explain their votes beyond "this rule is dumb," which it obviously is. But still the rule.
– Michael W.
48 mins ago
+1. I hope any downvoters will explain their votes beyond "this rule is dumb," which it obviously is. But still the rule.
– Michael W.
48 mins ago
I don't get the downvotes. The rules might be silly but the answer is well presented.
– Behacad
45 mins ago
I don't get the downvotes. The rules might be silly but the answer is well presented.
– Behacad
45 mins ago
Downvoted for a lack of critical thinking. Endorsing bad rules is not useful.
– Mark Wells
15 mins ago
Downvoted for a lack of critical thinking. Endorsing bad rules is not useful.
– Mark Wells
15 mins ago
 |Â
show 1 more comment
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
Related on Can a monster with a flying speed lift a grappled pc and then drop them?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Yes there's been some discussion, and I remain uncertain. The rules mention "drag or carry" but it is unclear whether that brings in the drag and carry rules. The comment by Jeremy Crawford also brings this into question: "The rule on moving a grappled creature (PH, 195) works regardless of a creature's weight. It cares about creature size."
– Behacad
58 mins ago
I'm confused. The top rated answer to the most relevant question suggests NOT utilizing the push, drag, and lift rules: "he states that the Lift/Carry rules do not apply to Grappling."
– Behacad
46 mins ago