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In Avengers: Infinity War, Red Skull says that he had been searching for the Infinity Stones. The problem is that at the time that he is referring to he only knew about the Tesseract from Norse mythology, calling it "the Tesseract; the jewel of Odin's treasury". There is no indication he knew it was something more than a powerful Asgardian artifact; and there is really no way for him to have known about the Infinity Stones.
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In Avengers: Infinity War, Red Skull says that he had been searching for the Infinity Stones. The problem is that at the time that he is referring to he only knew about the Tesseract from Norse mythology, calling it "the Tesseract; the jewel of Odin's treasury". There is no indication he knew it was something more than a powerful Asgardian artifact; and there is really no way for him to have known about the Infinity Stones.
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He was transferred to the place where the Soul Stone was kept. He was assigned as a guide for others, so likely he learned of the other stones there. I'll see if I can find some hard evidence.
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:31
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He says it himself in the film: transcripts.wikia.com/wiki/Avengers:_Infinity_War
– NKCampbell
Aug 16 at 14:32
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Nice suggestion on how he learned of the Soul Stone: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/186558/103067
– Mirzoda
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In Avengers: Infinity War, Red Skull says that he had been searching for the Infinity Stones. The problem is that at the time that he is referring to he only knew about the Tesseract from Norse mythology, calling it "the Tesseract; the jewel of Odin's treasury". There is no indication he knew it was something more than a powerful Asgardian artifact; and there is really no way for him to have known about the Infinity Stones.
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asked Aug 16 at 14:26
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In Avengers: Infinity War, Red Skull says that he had been searching for the Infinity Stones. The problem is that at the time that he is referring to he only knew about the Tesseract from Norse mythology, calling it "the Tesseract; the jewel of Odin's treasury". There is no indication he knew it was something more than a powerful Asgardian artifact; and there is really no way for him to have known about the Infinity Stones.
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asked Aug 16 at 14:26
Antheloth
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asked Aug 16 at 14:26
Antheloth
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asked Aug 16 at 14:26
Antheloth
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asked Aug 16 at 14:26
Antheloth
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He was transferred to the place where the Soul Stone was kept. He was assigned as a guide for others, so likely he learned of the other stones there. I'll see if I can find some hard evidence.
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:31
3
He says it himself in the film: transcripts.wikia.com/wiki/Avengers:_Infinity_War
– NKCampbell
Aug 16 at 14:32
1
Nice suggestion on how he learned of the Soul Stone: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/186558/103067
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:34
add a comment |Â
7
He was transferred to the place where the Soul Stone was kept. He was assigned as a guide for others, so likely he learned of the other stones there. I'll see if I can find some hard evidence.
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:31
3
He says it himself in the film: transcripts.wikia.com/wiki/Avengers:_Infinity_War
– NKCampbell
Aug 16 at 14:32
1
Nice suggestion on how he learned of the Soul Stone: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/186558/103067
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:34
7
7
He was transferred to the place where the Soul Stone was kept. He was assigned as a guide for others, so likely he learned of the other stones there. I'll see if I can find some hard evidence.
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:31
He was transferred to the place where the Soul Stone was kept. He was assigned as a guide for others, so likely he learned of the other stones there. I'll see if I can find some hard evidence.
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:31
3
3
He says it himself in the film: transcripts.wikia.com/wiki/Avengers:_Infinity_War
– NKCampbell
Aug 16 at 14:32
He says it himself in the film: transcripts.wikia.com/wiki/Avengers:_Infinity_War
– NKCampbell
Aug 16 at 14:32
1
1
Nice suggestion on how he learned of the Soul Stone: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/186558/103067
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:34
Nice suggestion on how he learned of the Soul Stone: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/186558/103067
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:34
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Here’s what the Red Skull actually says:
A lifetime ago, I too sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here, guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess.
He sought a powerful artefact, the Tesseract, that he now knows to be an Infinity Stone. (We can assume the Soul Stone itself did the Basil Exposition work with the Red Skull off-screen.) Just because he didn’t know that the Tesseract was an Infinity Stone when he sought it, that doesn’t contradict what he’s saying.
Slightly more problematic is the plural “sought the stonesâ€Â. In Captain America: The First Avenger, unless I’m forgetting something, we only saw him seeking the Tesseract.
I don’t think that’s fatal though. It’s entirely plausible that, during his time as a Nazi, he sought more than one legendary supernatural artefact. Legends of the other stones could have been present on earth via Asgard, or other alien civilisations, or have stemmed from the Time Stone — which, as far as we know, was in the custody of The Ancient One on earth for a long time.
It’s even possible (if unlikely, given what we know) that he was aware of the existence of Infinity Stones back when he was seeking the Tesseract, and had worked out it probably was one before he found it.
answered Aug 16 at 15:16
Paul D. Waite
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Also likely was that he sought a stone, but is being loose with his plurals because he knows that Thanos is after all stones. Poetic Licence.
– AncientSwordRage♦
Aug 17 at 7:37
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He’s big-leaguing Thanos! “Oh you’re looking for all the Infinity Stones? Yeah I was into that for a while. Over it now.†You looked for one Infinity Stone! And when you found it, it kicked you across the universe just to get away from you!
– Paul D. Waite
Aug 17 at 9:48
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The absence of exposition on the part of The Red Skull revealing any knowledge of the true nature of the Tesseract, or of the existence of any other Infinity Stones, does not mean he has no knowledge of them. In CA:TFA, we learn that The Red Skull (Johann Schmidt) is obsessed with power, according to Dr. Erskine:
Abraham Erskine: Now Schmidt is a member of the inner circle and he is ambitious. He and Hitler share a passion for occult power and Teutonic myth. Hitler uses his fantasies to inspire his followers. But for Schmidt, it is not fantasy. For him, it is real. He has become convinced there is a great power hidden in the earth, left here by the gods, waiting to be seized by a superior man. So when he hears about my formula and what it can do, he cannot resist. Schmidt must become that superior man. Source
He obviously knows what the Tesseract is capable of, as he is able to instruct Dr. Arnim Zola on how to harness the power and develop the weapons we see in the movie. There is nothing that negates the idea that Schmidt has at least some information on the nature of the Tesseract, including the possibility that there are other powerful objects out there of its ilk. It seems that the Tesseract was simply the first item that Schmidt sought. It's entirely possible that he knew of, and had planned his next acquisition to be, the Eye of Agamotto.
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You'll have to refer back to Captain America: The First Avenger for that. Remember, Red Skull grabbed a hold of the tesseract aka space stone, and ended up getting what we thought was vaporized. Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones. He could have gained knowledge of the rest from traveling the cosmos, or it might have been granted to him when he disappeared.
answered Aug 16 at 14:45
King of NES
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"Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones": Is this true? I thought he just got sent to become the keeper of the Soul Stone?
– TheLethalCarrot
Aug 16 at 14:46
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Here’s what the Red Skull actually says:
A lifetime ago, I too sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here, guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess.
He sought a powerful artefact, the Tesseract, that he now knows to be an Infinity Stone. (We can assume the Soul Stone itself did the Basil Exposition work with the Red Skull off-screen.) Just because he didn’t know that the Tesseract was an Infinity Stone when he sought it, that doesn’t contradict what he’s saying.
Slightly more problematic is the plural “sought the stonesâ€Â. In Captain America: The First Avenger, unless I’m forgetting something, we only saw him seeking the Tesseract.
I don’t think that’s fatal though. It’s entirely plausible that, during his time as a Nazi, he sought more than one legendary supernatural artefact. Legends of the other stones could have been present on earth via Asgard, or other alien civilisations, or have stemmed from the Time Stone — which, as far as we know, was in the custody of The Ancient One on earth for a long time.
It’s even possible (if unlikely, given what we know) that he was aware of the existence of Infinity Stones back when he was seeking the Tesseract, and had worked out it probably was one before he found it.
answered Aug 16 at 15:16
Paul D. Waite
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Also likely was that he sought a stone, but is being loose with his plurals because he knows that Thanos is after all stones. Poetic Licence.
– AncientSwordRage♦
Aug 17 at 7:37
4
He’s big-leaguing Thanos! “Oh you’re looking for all the Infinity Stones? Yeah I was into that for a while. Over it now.†You looked for one Infinity Stone! And when you found it, it kicked you across the universe just to get away from you!
– Paul D. Waite
Aug 17 at 9:48
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up vote
26
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Here’s what the Red Skull actually says:
A lifetime ago, I too sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here, guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess.
He sought a powerful artefact, the Tesseract, that he now knows to be an Infinity Stone. (We can assume the Soul Stone itself did the Basil Exposition work with the Red Skull off-screen.) Just because he didn’t know that the Tesseract was an Infinity Stone when he sought it, that doesn’t contradict what he’s saying.
Slightly more problematic is the plural “sought the stonesâ€Â. In Captain America: The First Avenger, unless I’m forgetting something, we only saw him seeking the Tesseract.
I don’t think that’s fatal though. It’s entirely plausible that, during his time as a Nazi, he sought more than one legendary supernatural artefact. Legends of the other stones could have been present on earth via Asgard, or other alien civilisations, or have stemmed from the Time Stone — which, as far as we know, was in the custody of The Ancient One on earth for a long time.
It’s even possible (if unlikely, given what we know) that he was aware of the existence of Infinity Stones back when he was seeking the Tesseract, and had worked out it probably was one before he found it.
answered Aug 16 at 15:16
Paul D. Waite
19.1k1478130
3
Also likely was that he sought a stone, but is being loose with his plurals because he knows that Thanos is after all stones. Poetic Licence.
– AncientSwordRage♦
Aug 17 at 7:37
4
He’s big-leaguing Thanos! “Oh you’re looking for all the Infinity Stones? Yeah I was into that for a while. Over it now.†You looked for one Infinity Stone! And when you found it, it kicked you across the universe just to get away from you!
– Paul D. Waite
Aug 17 at 9:48
add a comment |Â
up vote
26
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up vote
26
down vote
Here’s what the Red Skull actually says:
A lifetime ago, I too sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here, guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess.
He sought a powerful artefact, the Tesseract, that he now knows to be an Infinity Stone. (We can assume the Soul Stone itself did the Basil Exposition work with the Red Skull off-screen.) Just because he didn’t know that the Tesseract was an Infinity Stone when he sought it, that doesn’t contradict what he’s saying.
Slightly more problematic is the plural “sought the stonesâ€Â. In Captain America: The First Avenger, unless I’m forgetting something, we only saw him seeking the Tesseract.
I don’t think that’s fatal though. It’s entirely plausible that, during his time as a Nazi, he sought more than one legendary supernatural artefact. Legends of the other stones could have been present on earth via Asgard, or other alien civilisations, or have stemmed from the Time Stone — which, as far as we know, was in the custody of The Ancient One on earth for a long time.
It’s even possible (if unlikely, given what we know) that he was aware of the existence of Infinity Stones back when he was seeking the Tesseract, and had worked out it probably was one before he found it.
answered Aug 16 at 15:16
Paul D. Waite
19.1k1478130
Here’s what the Red Skull actually says:
A lifetime ago, I too sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here, guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess.
He sought a powerful artefact, the Tesseract, that he now knows to be an Infinity Stone. (We can assume the Soul Stone itself did the Basil Exposition work with the Red Skull off-screen.) Just because he didn’t know that the Tesseract was an Infinity Stone when he sought it, that doesn’t contradict what he’s saying.
Slightly more problematic is the plural “sought the stonesâ€Â. In Captain America: The First Avenger, unless I’m forgetting something, we only saw him seeking the Tesseract.
I don’t think that’s fatal though. It’s entirely plausible that, during his time as a Nazi, he sought more than one legendary supernatural artefact. Legends of the other stones could have been present on earth via Asgard, or other alien civilisations, or have stemmed from the Time Stone — which, as far as we know, was in the custody of The Ancient One on earth for a long time.
It’s even possible (if unlikely, given what we know) that he was aware of the existence of Infinity Stones back when he was seeking the Tesseract, and had worked out it probably was one before he found it.
answered Aug 16 at 15:16
Paul D. Waite
19.1k1478130
edited Aug 21 at 22:32
answered Aug 16 at 15:16
Paul D. Waite
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answered Aug 16 at 15:16
Paul D. Waite
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answered Aug 16 at 15:16
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Also likely was that he sought a stone, but is being loose with his plurals because he knows that Thanos is after all stones. Poetic Licence.
– AncientSwordRage♦
Aug 17 at 7:37
4
He’s big-leaguing Thanos! “Oh you’re looking for all the Infinity Stones? Yeah I was into that for a while. Over it now.†You looked for one Infinity Stone! And when you found it, it kicked you across the universe just to get away from you!
– Paul D. Waite
Aug 17 at 9:48
add a comment |Â
3
Also likely was that he sought a stone, but is being loose with his plurals because he knows that Thanos is after all stones. Poetic Licence.
– AncientSwordRage♦
Aug 17 at 7:37
4
He’s big-leaguing Thanos! “Oh you’re looking for all the Infinity Stones? Yeah I was into that for a while. Over it now.†You looked for one Infinity Stone! And when you found it, it kicked you across the universe just to get away from you!
– Paul D. Waite
Aug 17 at 9:48
3
3
Also likely was that he sought a stone, but is being loose with his plurals because he knows that Thanos is after all stones. Poetic Licence.
– AncientSwordRage♦
Aug 17 at 7:37
Also likely was that he sought a stone, but is being loose with his plurals because he knows that Thanos is after all stones. Poetic Licence.
– AncientSwordRage♦
Aug 17 at 7:37
4
4
He’s big-leaguing Thanos! “Oh you’re looking for all the Infinity Stones? Yeah I was into that for a while. Over it now.†You looked for one Infinity Stone! And when you found it, it kicked you across the universe just to get away from you!
– Paul D. Waite
Aug 17 at 9:48
He’s big-leaguing Thanos! “Oh you’re looking for all the Infinity Stones? Yeah I was into that for a while. Over it now.†You looked for one Infinity Stone! And when you found it, it kicked you across the universe just to get away from you!
– Paul D. Waite
Aug 17 at 9:48
add a comment |Â
up vote
8
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The absence of exposition on the part of The Red Skull revealing any knowledge of the true nature of the Tesseract, or of the existence of any other Infinity Stones, does not mean he has no knowledge of them. In CA:TFA, we learn that The Red Skull (Johann Schmidt) is obsessed with power, according to Dr. Erskine:
Abraham Erskine: Now Schmidt is a member of the inner circle and he is ambitious. He and Hitler share a passion for occult power and Teutonic myth. Hitler uses his fantasies to inspire his followers. But for Schmidt, it is not fantasy. For him, it is real. He has become convinced there is a great power hidden in the earth, left here by the gods, waiting to be seized by a superior man. So when he hears about my formula and what it can do, he cannot resist. Schmidt must become that superior man. Source
He obviously knows what the Tesseract is capable of, as he is able to instruct Dr. Arnim Zola on how to harness the power and develop the weapons we see in the movie. There is nothing that negates the idea that Schmidt has at least some information on the nature of the Tesseract, including the possibility that there are other powerful objects out there of its ilk. It seems that the Tesseract was simply the first item that Schmidt sought. It's entirely possible that he knew of, and had planned his next acquisition to be, the Eye of Agamotto.
answered Aug 16 at 17:58
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The absence of exposition on the part of The Red Skull revealing any knowledge of the true nature of the Tesseract, or of the existence of any other Infinity Stones, does not mean he has no knowledge of them. In CA:TFA, we learn that The Red Skull (Johann Schmidt) is obsessed with power, according to Dr. Erskine:
Abraham Erskine: Now Schmidt is a member of the inner circle and he is ambitious. He and Hitler share a passion for occult power and Teutonic myth. Hitler uses his fantasies to inspire his followers. But for Schmidt, it is not fantasy. For him, it is real. He has become convinced there is a great power hidden in the earth, left here by the gods, waiting to be seized by a superior man. So when he hears about my formula and what it can do, he cannot resist. Schmidt must become that superior man. Source
He obviously knows what the Tesseract is capable of, as he is able to instruct Dr. Arnim Zola on how to harness the power and develop the weapons we see in the movie. There is nothing that negates the idea that Schmidt has at least some information on the nature of the Tesseract, including the possibility that there are other powerful objects out there of its ilk. It seems that the Tesseract was simply the first item that Schmidt sought. It's entirely possible that he knew of, and had planned his next acquisition to be, the Eye of Agamotto.
answered Aug 16 at 17:58
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The absence of exposition on the part of The Red Skull revealing any knowledge of the true nature of the Tesseract, or of the existence of any other Infinity Stones, does not mean he has no knowledge of them. In CA:TFA, we learn that The Red Skull (Johann Schmidt) is obsessed with power, according to Dr. Erskine:
Abraham Erskine: Now Schmidt is a member of the inner circle and he is ambitious. He and Hitler share a passion for occult power and Teutonic myth. Hitler uses his fantasies to inspire his followers. But for Schmidt, it is not fantasy. For him, it is real. He has become convinced there is a great power hidden in the earth, left here by the gods, waiting to be seized by a superior man. So when he hears about my formula and what it can do, he cannot resist. Schmidt must become that superior man. Source
He obviously knows what the Tesseract is capable of, as he is able to instruct Dr. Arnim Zola on how to harness the power and develop the weapons we see in the movie. There is nothing that negates the idea that Schmidt has at least some information on the nature of the Tesseract, including the possibility that there are other powerful objects out there of its ilk. It seems that the Tesseract was simply the first item that Schmidt sought. It's entirely possible that he knew of, and had planned his next acquisition to be, the Eye of Agamotto.
answered Aug 16 at 17:58
vynsane
1,8491013
The absence of exposition on the part of The Red Skull revealing any knowledge of the true nature of the Tesseract, or of the existence of any other Infinity Stones, does not mean he has no knowledge of them. In CA:TFA, we learn that The Red Skull (Johann Schmidt) is obsessed with power, according to Dr. Erskine:
Abraham Erskine: Now Schmidt is a member of the inner circle and he is ambitious. He and Hitler share a passion for occult power and Teutonic myth. Hitler uses his fantasies to inspire his followers. But for Schmidt, it is not fantasy. For him, it is real. He has become convinced there is a great power hidden in the earth, left here by the gods, waiting to be seized by a superior man. So when he hears about my formula and what it can do, he cannot resist. Schmidt must become that superior man. Source
He obviously knows what the Tesseract is capable of, as he is able to instruct Dr. Arnim Zola on how to harness the power and develop the weapons we see in the movie. There is nothing that negates the idea that Schmidt has at least some information on the nature of the Tesseract, including the possibility that there are other powerful objects out there of its ilk. It seems that the Tesseract was simply the first item that Schmidt sought. It's entirely possible that he knew of, and had planned his next acquisition to be, the Eye of Agamotto.
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answered Aug 16 at 17:58
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You'll have to refer back to Captain America: The First Avenger for that. Remember, Red Skull grabbed a hold of the tesseract aka space stone, and ended up getting what we thought was vaporized. Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones. He could have gained knowledge of the rest from traveling the cosmos, or it might have been granted to him when he disappeared.
answered Aug 16 at 14:45
King of NES
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"Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones": Is this true? I thought he just got sent to become the keeper of the Soul Stone?
– TheLethalCarrot
Aug 16 at 14:46
add a comment |Â
up vote
-2
down vote
You'll have to refer back to Captain America: The First Avenger for that. Remember, Red Skull grabbed a hold of the tesseract aka space stone, and ended up getting what we thought was vaporized. Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones. He could have gained knowledge of the rest from traveling the cosmos, or it might have been granted to him when he disappeared.
answered Aug 16 at 14:45
King of NES
2,26821235
3
"Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones": Is this true? I thought he just got sent to become the keeper of the Soul Stone?
– TheLethalCarrot
Aug 16 at 14:46
add a comment |Â
up vote
-2
down vote
up vote
-2
down vote
You'll have to refer back to Captain America: The First Avenger for that. Remember, Red Skull grabbed a hold of the tesseract aka space stone, and ended up getting what we thought was vaporized. Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones. He could have gained knowledge of the rest from traveling the cosmos, or it might have been granted to him when he disappeared.
answered Aug 16 at 14:45
King of NES
2,26821235
You'll have to refer back to Captain America: The First Avenger for that. Remember, Red Skull grabbed a hold of the tesseract aka space stone, and ended up getting what we thought was vaporized. Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones. He could have gained knowledge of the rest from traveling the cosmos, or it might have been granted to him when he disappeared.
answered Aug 16 at 14:45
King of NES
2,26821235
answered Aug 16 at 14:45
King of NES
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answered Aug 16 at 14:45
King of NES
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answered Aug 16 at 14:45
King of NES
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"Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones": Is this true? I thought he just got sent to become the keeper of the Soul Stone?
– TheLethalCarrot
Aug 16 at 14:46
add a comment |Â
3
"Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones": Is this true? I thought he just got sent to become the keeper of the Soul Stone?
– TheLethalCarrot
Aug 16 at 14:46
3
3
"Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones": Is this true? I thought he just got sent to become the keeper of the Soul Stone?
– TheLethalCarrot
Aug 16 at 14:46
"Apparently he was sent either in body or in spirit after the remaining stones": Is this true? I thought he just got sent to become the keeper of the Soul Stone?
– TheLethalCarrot
Aug 16 at 14:46
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He was transferred to the place where the Soul Stone was kept. He was assigned as a guide for others, so likely he learned of the other stones there. I'll see if I can find some hard evidence.
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:31
3
He says it himself in the film: transcripts.wikia.com/wiki/Avengers:_Infinity_War
– NKCampbell
Aug 16 at 14:32
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Nice suggestion on how he learned of the Soul Stone: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/186558/103067
– Mirzoda
Aug 16 at 14:34