Does a multiattack count as a single source of damage?
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The rules for maintaining concentration on spells after getting hit state that:
If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
This is an example for two very distinct sources of damage.
If a character who is concentrating on a spell gets hit by a creature with the multiattack feature, do they have to try to maintain concentration for each time they were hit?
Or only one time, since technically all of the attacks came from the same source?
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The rules for maintaining concentration on spells after getting hit state that:
If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
This is an example for two very distinct sources of damage.
If a character who is concentrating on a spell gets hit by a creature with the multiattack feature, do they have to try to maintain concentration for each time they were hit?
Or only one time, since technically all of the attacks came from the same source?
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The rules for maintaining concentration on spells after getting hit state that:
If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
This is an example for two very distinct sources of damage.
If a character who is concentrating on a spell gets hit by a creature with the multiattack feature, do they have to try to maintain concentration for each time they were hit?
Or only one time, since technically all of the attacks came from the same source?
dnd-5e damage concentration multiattack
The rules for maintaining concentration on spells after getting hit state that:
If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.
This is an example for two very distinct sources of damage.
If a character who is concentrating on a spell gets hit by a creature with the multiattack feature, do they have to try to maintain concentration for each time they were hit?
Or only one time, since technically all of the attacks came from the same source?
dnd-5e damage concentration multiattack
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A concentration check is needed for each hit
A multiattack is separate attacks, so you'd have to roll for each attack that hits. The reason the PHB uses "sources of damage" instead of "each time hit" is because some damage sources use a saving throw instead of an attack roll, or automatically cause damage. So you need to make a concentration check, for each instance of damage taken.
Examples
Scorching Ray - You create three rays of fire and hurl them at targets within range. You can hurl them at one target or several. Make a ranged spell attack for each ray. On a hit, the target takes 2d6 fire damage. Each ray is a separate attack, and requires a separate concentration check.
Sword of Lightning - 1d8 slashing + 1d4 lightning damage. Two damage types, but one source (the sword attack); one concentration check.
Dragon - Wing Attack [...] Each creature within 15 feet of the dragon must succeed on a DC 23 Dexterity saving throw or take 15 (2d6 + 8) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone. One source of damage. One concentration check on a failed save.
Edge Case
Imp - Sting [...] Hit: 5 (1d4 + 3) piercing damage, and the target must make on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw, taking 10 (3d6) poison damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. By RAW, one hit and one save, thus two concentration checks; however, it can be easily argued for a house ruling that it is one damage source since the save only determines the amount of poison damage not whether there is poison damage.
Magic Missile - Multiple darts that hit simultaneously. Since the darts automatically hit, there is no attack roll nor saving throw. Thus, ambiguous as to whether it is one damage source or multiple. There are valid arguments for ruling both ways. However, Jeremy Crawford rules that each dart requires a separate concentration check. As a lead designer, his tweets can be considered RAW.
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It's worth noting that Jeremy Crawford has indicated that for Magic Missile, you'd roll separately for each dart. I can definitely see how without this ruling, it'd be quite ambiguous.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:09
@Gandalfmeansme -- thanks for the link.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:14
You're welcome. It's a ruling I didn't expect when I first read it. For example, that makes a first level magic missile a particularly nasty way to kill a 0-hp PC with a single spell.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:19
@Gandalfmeansme -- yes I normally rule MM as one instance of damage per creature targeted. I assume his ruling is based on the fact that each dart can target a different creature.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:21
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"every time you are hit, or take damage from a save" — not all source of damages are attacks or require a saving throw
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Aug 25 at 17:22
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Make a concentration check for each instance of damage taken from attacks or spells:
Do you roll concentration for every instance of damage taken? id est every Magic Missile hit?
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/716012166101401600
The PHB means a mechanical "source of damage" (the damage roll), not an in-world source of damage like "weapon", "enemy", etc.
technically all of the attacks came from the same source
If this was true, you'd roll only once for all similar attacks from this enemy. However, you are supposed to roll for its every attack. Keep in mind a Multiattack can also be interrupted by movement, these attacks can be made against different enemies, etc.
This seems at odds with the option of having magic missile be a single damage roll: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/109764/…
– Medix2
Aug 25 at 11:40
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@Medix2 That's a completely separate issue. Magic missle tells you how much damage each dart does (1d4+1). It is still multiple darts hitting though
– David Coffron
Aug 25 at 12:00
I think magic missile is a problematic example to use due to its unique no-miss nature and common unintentional house-rule around rolling each dart separately. I think you'd be better off finding an example with a more conventional spell like eldritch blast or scorching ray that more closely matches how Multiattack works or find a way to justify it directly from the rules for attacks.
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Aug 25 at 13:36
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up vote
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A concentration check is needed for each hit
A multiattack is separate attacks, so you'd have to roll for each attack that hits. The reason the PHB uses "sources of damage" instead of "each time hit" is because some damage sources use a saving throw instead of an attack roll, or automatically cause damage. So you need to make a concentration check, for each instance of damage taken.
Examples
Scorching Ray - You create three rays of fire and hurl them at targets within range. You can hurl them at one target or several. Make a ranged spell attack for each ray. On a hit, the target takes 2d6 fire damage. Each ray is a separate attack, and requires a separate concentration check.
Sword of Lightning - 1d8 slashing + 1d4 lightning damage. Two damage types, but one source (the sword attack); one concentration check.
Dragon - Wing Attack [...] Each creature within 15 feet of the dragon must succeed on a DC 23 Dexterity saving throw or take 15 (2d6 + 8) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone. One source of damage. One concentration check on a failed save.
Edge Case
Imp - Sting [...] Hit: 5 (1d4 + 3) piercing damage, and the target must make on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw, taking 10 (3d6) poison damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. By RAW, one hit and one save, thus two concentration checks; however, it can be easily argued for a house ruling that it is one damage source since the save only determines the amount of poison damage not whether there is poison damage.
Magic Missile - Multiple darts that hit simultaneously. Since the darts automatically hit, there is no attack roll nor saving throw. Thus, ambiguous as to whether it is one damage source or multiple. There are valid arguments for ruling both ways. However, Jeremy Crawford rules that each dart requires a separate concentration check. As a lead designer, his tweets can be considered RAW.
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It's worth noting that Jeremy Crawford has indicated that for Magic Missile, you'd roll separately for each dart. I can definitely see how without this ruling, it'd be quite ambiguous.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:09
@Gandalfmeansme -- thanks for the link.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:14
You're welcome. It's a ruling I didn't expect when I first read it. For example, that makes a first level magic missile a particularly nasty way to kill a 0-hp PC with a single spell.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:19
@Gandalfmeansme -- yes I normally rule MM as one instance of damage per creature targeted. I assume his ruling is based on the fact that each dart can target a different creature.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:21
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"every time you are hit, or take damage from a save" — not all source of damages are attacks or require a saving throw
– enkryptor
Aug 25 at 17:22
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A concentration check is needed for each hit
A multiattack is separate attacks, so you'd have to roll for each attack that hits. The reason the PHB uses "sources of damage" instead of "each time hit" is because some damage sources use a saving throw instead of an attack roll, or automatically cause damage. So you need to make a concentration check, for each instance of damage taken.
Examples
Scorching Ray - You create three rays of fire and hurl them at targets within range. You can hurl them at one target or several. Make a ranged spell attack for each ray. On a hit, the target takes 2d6 fire damage. Each ray is a separate attack, and requires a separate concentration check.
Sword of Lightning - 1d8 slashing + 1d4 lightning damage. Two damage types, but one source (the sword attack); one concentration check.
Dragon - Wing Attack [...] Each creature within 15 feet of the dragon must succeed on a DC 23 Dexterity saving throw or take 15 (2d6 + 8) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone. One source of damage. One concentration check on a failed save.
Edge Case
Imp - Sting [...] Hit: 5 (1d4 + 3) piercing damage, and the target must make on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw, taking 10 (3d6) poison damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. By RAW, one hit and one save, thus two concentration checks; however, it can be easily argued for a house ruling that it is one damage source since the save only determines the amount of poison damage not whether there is poison damage.
Magic Missile - Multiple darts that hit simultaneously. Since the darts automatically hit, there is no attack roll nor saving throw. Thus, ambiguous as to whether it is one damage source or multiple. There are valid arguments for ruling both ways. However, Jeremy Crawford rules that each dart requires a separate concentration check. As a lead designer, his tweets can be considered RAW.
1
It's worth noting that Jeremy Crawford has indicated that for Magic Missile, you'd roll separately for each dart. I can definitely see how without this ruling, it'd be quite ambiguous.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:09
@Gandalfmeansme -- thanks for the link.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:14
You're welcome. It's a ruling I didn't expect when I first read it. For example, that makes a first level magic missile a particularly nasty way to kill a 0-hp PC with a single spell.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:19
@Gandalfmeansme -- yes I normally rule MM as one instance of damage per creature targeted. I assume his ruling is based on the fact that each dart can target a different creature.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:21
1
"every time you are hit, or take damage from a save" — not all source of damages are attacks or require a saving throw
– enkryptor
Aug 25 at 17:22
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up vote
9
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accepted
up vote
9
down vote
accepted
A concentration check is needed for each hit
A multiattack is separate attacks, so you'd have to roll for each attack that hits. The reason the PHB uses "sources of damage" instead of "each time hit" is because some damage sources use a saving throw instead of an attack roll, or automatically cause damage. So you need to make a concentration check, for each instance of damage taken.
Examples
Scorching Ray - You create three rays of fire and hurl them at targets within range. You can hurl them at one target or several. Make a ranged spell attack for each ray. On a hit, the target takes 2d6 fire damage. Each ray is a separate attack, and requires a separate concentration check.
Sword of Lightning - 1d8 slashing + 1d4 lightning damage. Two damage types, but one source (the sword attack); one concentration check.
Dragon - Wing Attack [...] Each creature within 15 feet of the dragon must succeed on a DC 23 Dexterity saving throw or take 15 (2d6 + 8) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone. One source of damage. One concentration check on a failed save.
Edge Case
Imp - Sting [...] Hit: 5 (1d4 + 3) piercing damage, and the target must make on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw, taking 10 (3d6) poison damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. By RAW, one hit and one save, thus two concentration checks; however, it can be easily argued for a house ruling that it is one damage source since the save only determines the amount of poison damage not whether there is poison damage.
Magic Missile - Multiple darts that hit simultaneously. Since the darts automatically hit, there is no attack roll nor saving throw. Thus, ambiguous as to whether it is one damage source or multiple. There are valid arguments for ruling both ways. However, Jeremy Crawford rules that each dart requires a separate concentration check. As a lead designer, his tweets can be considered RAW.
A concentration check is needed for each hit
A multiattack is separate attacks, so you'd have to roll for each attack that hits. The reason the PHB uses "sources of damage" instead of "each time hit" is because some damage sources use a saving throw instead of an attack roll, or automatically cause damage. So you need to make a concentration check, for each instance of damage taken.
Examples
Scorching Ray - You create three rays of fire and hurl them at targets within range. You can hurl them at one target or several. Make a ranged spell attack for each ray. On a hit, the target takes 2d6 fire damage. Each ray is a separate attack, and requires a separate concentration check.
Sword of Lightning - 1d8 slashing + 1d4 lightning damage. Two damage types, but one source (the sword attack); one concentration check.
Dragon - Wing Attack [...] Each creature within 15 feet of the dragon must succeed on a DC 23 Dexterity saving throw or take 15 (2d6 + 8) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone. One source of damage. One concentration check on a failed save.
Edge Case
Imp - Sting [...] Hit: 5 (1d4 + 3) piercing damage, and the target must make on a DC 11 Constitution saving throw, taking 10 (3d6) poison damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. By RAW, one hit and one save, thus two concentration checks; however, it can be easily argued for a house ruling that it is one damage source since the save only determines the amount of poison damage not whether there is poison damage.
Magic Missile - Multiple darts that hit simultaneously. Since the darts automatically hit, there is no attack roll nor saving throw. Thus, ambiguous as to whether it is one damage source or multiple. There are valid arguments for ruling both ways. However, Jeremy Crawford rules that each dart requires a separate concentration check. As a lead designer, his tweets can be considered RAW.
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It's worth noting that Jeremy Crawford has indicated that for Magic Missile, you'd roll separately for each dart. I can definitely see how without this ruling, it'd be quite ambiguous.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:09
@Gandalfmeansme -- thanks for the link.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:14
You're welcome. It's a ruling I didn't expect when I first read it. For example, that makes a first level magic missile a particularly nasty way to kill a 0-hp PC with a single spell.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:19
@Gandalfmeansme -- yes I normally rule MM as one instance of damage per creature targeted. I assume his ruling is based on the fact that each dart can target a different creature.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:21
1
"every time you are hit, or take damage from a save" — not all source of damages are attacks or require a saving throw
– enkryptor
Aug 25 at 17:22
 |Â
show 1 more comment
1
It's worth noting that Jeremy Crawford has indicated that for Magic Missile, you'd roll separately for each dart. I can definitely see how without this ruling, it'd be quite ambiguous.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:09
@Gandalfmeansme -- thanks for the link.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:14
You're welcome. It's a ruling I didn't expect when I first read it. For example, that makes a first level magic missile a particularly nasty way to kill a 0-hp PC with a single spell.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:19
@Gandalfmeansme -- yes I normally rule MM as one instance of damage per creature targeted. I assume his ruling is based on the fact that each dart can target a different creature.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:21
1
"every time you are hit, or take damage from a save" — not all source of damages are attacks or require a saving throw
– enkryptor
Aug 25 at 17:22
1
1
It's worth noting that Jeremy Crawford has indicated that for Magic Missile, you'd roll separately for each dart. I can definitely see how without this ruling, it'd be quite ambiguous.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:09
It's worth noting that Jeremy Crawford has indicated that for Magic Missile, you'd roll separately for each dart. I can definitely see how without this ruling, it'd be quite ambiguous.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:09
@Gandalfmeansme -- thanks for the link.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:14
@Gandalfmeansme -- thanks for the link.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:14
You're welcome. It's a ruling I didn't expect when I first read it. For example, that makes a first level magic missile a particularly nasty way to kill a 0-hp PC with a single spell.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:19
You're welcome. It's a ruling I didn't expect when I first read it. For example, that makes a first level magic missile a particularly nasty way to kill a 0-hp PC with a single spell.
– Gandalfmeansme
Aug 25 at 17:19
@Gandalfmeansme -- yes I normally rule MM as one instance of damage per creature targeted. I assume his ruling is based on the fact that each dart can target a different creature.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:21
@Gandalfmeansme -- yes I normally rule MM as one instance of damage per creature targeted. I assume his ruling is based on the fact that each dart can target a different creature.
– ravery
Aug 25 at 17:21
1
1
"every time you are hit, or take damage from a save" — not all source of damages are attacks or require a saving throw
– enkryptor
Aug 25 at 17:22
"every time you are hit, or take damage from a save" — not all source of damages are attacks or require a saving throw
– enkryptor
Aug 25 at 17:22
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No
Make a concentration check for each instance of damage taken from attacks or spells:
Do you roll concentration for every instance of damage taken? id est every Magic Missile hit?
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/716012166101401600
The PHB means a mechanical "source of damage" (the damage roll), not an in-world source of damage like "weapon", "enemy", etc.
technically all of the attacks came from the same source
If this was true, you'd roll only once for all similar attacks from this enemy. However, you are supposed to roll for its every attack. Keep in mind a Multiattack can also be interrupted by movement, these attacks can be made against different enemies, etc.
This seems at odds with the option of having magic missile be a single damage roll: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/109764/…
– Medix2
Aug 25 at 11:40
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@Medix2 That's a completely separate issue. Magic missle tells you how much damage each dart does (1d4+1). It is still multiple darts hitting though
– David Coffron
Aug 25 at 12:00
I think magic missile is a problematic example to use due to its unique no-miss nature and common unintentional house-rule around rolling each dart separately. I think you'd be better off finding an example with a more conventional spell like eldritch blast or scorching ray that more closely matches how Multiattack works or find a way to justify it directly from the rules for attacks.
– Bloodcinder
Aug 25 at 13:36
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No
Make a concentration check for each instance of damage taken from attacks or spells:
Do you roll concentration for every instance of damage taken? id est every Magic Missile hit?
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/716012166101401600
The PHB means a mechanical "source of damage" (the damage roll), not an in-world source of damage like "weapon", "enemy", etc.
technically all of the attacks came from the same source
If this was true, you'd roll only once for all similar attacks from this enemy. However, you are supposed to roll for its every attack. Keep in mind a Multiattack can also be interrupted by movement, these attacks can be made against different enemies, etc.
This seems at odds with the option of having magic missile be a single damage roll: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/109764/…
– Medix2
Aug 25 at 11:40
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@Medix2 That's a completely separate issue. Magic missle tells you how much damage each dart does (1d4+1). It is still multiple darts hitting though
– David Coffron
Aug 25 at 12:00
I think magic missile is a problematic example to use due to its unique no-miss nature and common unintentional house-rule around rolling each dart separately. I think you'd be better off finding an example with a more conventional spell like eldritch blast or scorching ray that more closely matches how Multiattack works or find a way to justify it directly from the rules for attacks.
– Bloodcinder
Aug 25 at 13:36
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up vote
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up vote
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No
Make a concentration check for each instance of damage taken from attacks or spells:
Do you roll concentration for every instance of damage taken? id est every Magic Missile hit?
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/716012166101401600
The PHB means a mechanical "source of damage" (the damage roll), not an in-world source of damage like "weapon", "enemy", etc.
technically all of the attacks came from the same source
If this was true, you'd roll only once for all similar attacks from this enemy. However, you are supposed to roll for its every attack. Keep in mind a Multiattack can also be interrupted by movement, these attacks can be made against different enemies, etc.
No
Make a concentration check for each instance of damage taken from attacks or spells:
Do you roll concentration for every instance of damage taken? id est every Magic Missile hit?
Concentration: "You make a separate saving throw for each source of damage" (PH, 203). Roll for each missile.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/716012166101401600
The PHB means a mechanical "source of damage" (the damage roll), not an in-world source of damage like "weapon", "enemy", etc.
technically all of the attacks came from the same source
If this was true, you'd roll only once for all similar attacks from this enemy. However, you are supposed to roll for its every attack. Keep in mind a Multiattack can also be interrupted by movement, these attacks can be made against different enemies, etc.
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This seems at odds with the option of having magic missile be a single damage roll: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/109764/…
– Medix2
Aug 25 at 11:40
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@Medix2 That's a completely separate issue. Magic missle tells you how much damage each dart does (1d4+1). It is still multiple darts hitting though
– David Coffron
Aug 25 at 12:00
I think magic missile is a problematic example to use due to its unique no-miss nature and common unintentional house-rule around rolling each dart separately. I think you'd be better off finding an example with a more conventional spell like eldritch blast or scorching ray that more closely matches how Multiattack works or find a way to justify it directly from the rules for attacks.
– Bloodcinder
Aug 25 at 13:36
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This seems at odds with the option of having magic missile be a single damage roll: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/109764/…
– Medix2
Aug 25 at 11:40
1
@Medix2 That's a completely separate issue. Magic missle tells you how much damage each dart does (1d4+1). It is still multiple darts hitting though
– David Coffron
Aug 25 at 12:00
I think magic missile is a problematic example to use due to its unique no-miss nature and common unintentional house-rule around rolling each dart separately. I think you'd be better off finding an example with a more conventional spell like eldritch blast or scorching ray that more closely matches how Multiattack works or find a way to justify it directly from the rules for attacks.
– Bloodcinder
Aug 25 at 13:36
This seems at odds with the option of having magic missile be a single damage roll: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/109764/…
– Medix2
Aug 25 at 11:40
This seems at odds with the option of having magic missile be a single damage roll: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/109764/…
– Medix2
Aug 25 at 11:40
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1
@Medix2 That's a completely separate issue. Magic missle tells you how much damage each dart does (1d4+1). It is still multiple darts hitting though
– David Coffron
Aug 25 at 12:00
@Medix2 That's a completely separate issue. Magic missle tells you how much damage each dart does (1d4+1). It is still multiple darts hitting though
– David Coffron
Aug 25 at 12:00
I think magic missile is a problematic example to use due to its unique no-miss nature and common unintentional house-rule around rolling each dart separately. I think you'd be better off finding an example with a more conventional spell like eldritch blast or scorching ray that more closely matches how Multiattack works or find a way to justify it directly from the rules for attacks.
– Bloodcinder
Aug 25 at 13:36
I think magic missile is a problematic example to use due to its unique no-miss nature and common unintentional house-rule around rolling each dart separately. I think you'd be better off finding an example with a more conventional spell like eldritch blast or scorching ray that more closely matches how Multiattack works or find a way to justify it directly from the rules for attacks.
– Bloodcinder
Aug 25 at 13:36
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