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This is probably something really simple, but I wasn't able to find the answer yet.



I've been using a power supply with both COM and earth ground, like the first image below.



To power an op-amp, I was using COM for grounding.



Then, I came across a power supply like the second image below, which doesn't have COM.



Also, I've seen a power supply with no ground port whatsoever like the third image below.



I heard the earth ground is noisier. Why do some power supplies have both COM and earth ground, but others don't? And if I have to use one without COM or no ground port at all, what are my alternatives?



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    This is probably something really simple, but I wasn't able to find the answer yet.



    I've been using a power supply with both COM and earth ground, like the first image below.



    To power an op-amp, I was using COM for grounding.



    Then, I came across a power supply like the second image below, which doesn't have COM.



    Also, I've seen a power supply with no ground port whatsoever like the third image below.



    I heard the earth ground is noisier. Why do some power supplies have both COM and earth ground, but others don't? And if I have to use one without COM or no ground port at all, what are my alternatives?



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      This is probably something really simple, but I wasn't able to find the answer yet.



      I've been using a power supply with both COM and earth ground, like the first image below.



      To power an op-amp, I was using COM for grounding.



      Then, I came across a power supply like the second image below, which doesn't have COM.



      Also, I've seen a power supply with no ground port whatsoever like the third image below.



      I heard the earth ground is noisier. Why do some power supplies have both COM and earth ground, but others don't? And if I have to use one without COM or no ground port at all, what are my alternatives?



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      This is probably something really simple, but I wasn't able to find the answer yet.



      I've been using a power supply with both COM and earth ground, like the first image below.



      To power an op-amp, I was using COM for grounding.



      Then, I came across a power supply like the second image below, which doesn't have COM.



      Also, I've seen a power supply with no ground port whatsoever like the third image below.



      I heard the earth ground is noisier. Why do some power supplies have both COM and earth ground, but others don't? And if I have to use one without COM or no ground port at all, what are my alternatives?



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          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          Figure 1. Various options.



          Photo 1



          • The first photo shows a PSU with configuration of Figure 1a. There are two isolated supplies - isolated from each other and from mains earth.

          • Normal use would be to connect 5V- to COM and now you would have a dual variable supply for the analog electronics - typically +/-12 V - and a 5 V supply for the digital logic.

          • If the circuit requires mains earth for any reason then connect the green post to the relevant point. Typically this is the COM.

          Photo 2



          • This power supply has remote sense inputs. These allow the power supply to compensate for voltage drop in the wires to a remote load.

          • If not required then wire as shown in Figure 1b. Note the shorting links in your photo.

          • If remote sensing is required then open the links and wire as shown in Figure 1c. The voltage between the + and - terminals will vary with load but the voltage across LOAD2 should remain at the setpoint.

          • Again, if an earth reference is required then this can be achieved using the green post.

          schematic





          simulate this circuit



          Photo 3



          Figure 2. A dual supply can be used in multiple configurations.



          This has two independent supplies but without the earth option. These can be used independently, as a symmetrical supply or, for example, as a +12 V and +5 V
          supply. Note the connection (or lack of) between them in each case.




          From the comments:




          So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i went to use it like the first power supply with COM, i would connect what would've been connected to COM to the green post.




          I think you are confused. The Photo 2 PSU has only one output with + and - terminals. It is not a dual supply as shown in Photo 1. You can think of it as a variable voltage battery with an optional earth connection. You always connect the load to red and black and add an optional link from either to the earth terminal.



          Have a look at my answer to Actual electric potential at terminals of battery and it may help your understanding.






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          • Thank you so much for your in-depth explanation. So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i want to use it like the first power supply with COM, is there a way to use the 2nd type like the 1st type?.
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:16










          • See the update.
            – Transistor
            Aug 25 at 17:23










          • My apologies, I did not phrase my question correctly. I am trying to run a transimpedance amplifier I made on a protoboard. I need +15, -15V to power the op-amp and also ground the positive pin. If I had the 1st type of power supply, I would just connect COM to the positive pin. What if I only have the 2nd type of power supply though? (without COM). Would I still be able to run the circuit? (It seems not)
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:26










          • @Blackwidow: You can use the third unit as a +/- supply - connect the + terminal of one supply to the - terminal of the other, and use that point as "common".
            – Peter Bennett
            Aug 25 at 17:28










          • @PeterBennett Thank you. I think it makes perfect sense now. What happens if you just connect mains to the + pin of the op-amp and connect +,-15V to power the op amp I think I just destroyed the op amp. Since mains isnt connected to anything else, I am not sure what actually happened to the op-amp when I pretended mains (the green port) was the ground that the + pin was supposed to connect to
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:32


















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          The first supply has a bipolar output - effectively, a positive supply and a negative supply share a common pin.



          The second unit is a single supply with remote sensing connections. Neither supply terminal is connected to Earth so it can be used as either a positive or negative supply.



          The third unit has two separate supplies, each with neither terminal grounded, so the two supplies may be connected in series, for a bipolar supply, or used independently.



          For bench supplies such as these, we often don't care about a connection to Earth ground, or make a ground connection separately from the supplies.






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          • Thank you. I am trying to drive an op-amp with the positive pin grounded (transimpedance amplifier). What if I only have the second and third units? Since I don't have COM, is it impossible to drive an op-amp unless I have the first unit?
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:23










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          schematic





          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          Figure 1. Various options.



          Photo 1



          • The first photo shows a PSU with configuration of Figure 1a. There are two isolated supplies - isolated from each other and from mains earth.

          • Normal use would be to connect 5V- to COM and now you would have a dual variable supply for the analog electronics - typically +/-12 V - and a 5 V supply for the digital logic.

          • If the circuit requires mains earth for any reason then connect the green post to the relevant point. Typically this is the COM.

          Photo 2



          • This power supply has remote sense inputs. These allow the power supply to compensate for voltage drop in the wires to a remote load.

          • If not required then wire as shown in Figure 1b. Note the shorting links in your photo.

          • If remote sensing is required then open the links and wire as shown in Figure 1c. The voltage between the + and - terminals will vary with load but the voltage across LOAD2 should remain at the setpoint.

          • Again, if an earth reference is required then this can be achieved using the green post.

          schematic





          simulate this circuit



          Photo 3



          Figure 2. A dual supply can be used in multiple configurations.



          This has two independent supplies but without the earth option. These can be used independently, as a symmetrical supply or, for example, as a +12 V and +5 V
          supply. Note the connection (or lack of) between them in each case.




          From the comments:




          So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i went to use it like the first power supply with COM, i would connect what would've been connected to COM to the green post.




          I think you are confused. The Photo 2 PSU has only one output with + and - terminals. It is not a dual supply as shown in Photo 1. You can think of it as a variable voltage battery with an optional earth connection. You always connect the load to red and black and add an optional link from either to the earth terminal.



          Have a look at my answer to Actual electric potential at terminals of battery and it may help your understanding.






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          • Thank you so much for your in-depth explanation. So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i want to use it like the first power supply with COM, is there a way to use the 2nd type like the 1st type?.
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:16










          • See the update.
            – Transistor
            Aug 25 at 17:23










          • My apologies, I did not phrase my question correctly. I am trying to run a transimpedance amplifier I made on a protoboard. I need +15, -15V to power the op-amp and also ground the positive pin. If I had the 1st type of power supply, I would just connect COM to the positive pin. What if I only have the 2nd type of power supply though? (without COM). Would I still be able to run the circuit? (It seems not)
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:26










          • @Blackwidow: You can use the third unit as a +/- supply - connect the + terminal of one supply to the - terminal of the other, and use that point as "common".
            – Peter Bennett
            Aug 25 at 17:28










          • @PeterBennett Thank you. I think it makes perfect sense now. What happens if you just connect mains to the + pin of the op-amp and connect +,-15V to power the op amp I think I just destroyed the op amp. Since mains isnt connected to anything else, I am not sure what actually happened to the op-amp when I pretended mains (the green port) was the ground that the + pin was supposed to connect to
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:32















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          schematic





          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          Figure 1. Various options.



          Photo 1



          • The first photo shows a PSU with configuration of Figure 1a. There are two isolated supplies - isolated from each other and from mains earth.

          • Normal use would be to connect 5V- to COM and now you would have a dual variable supply for the analog electronics - typically +/-12 V - and a 5 V supply for the digital logic.

          • If the circuit requires mains earth for any reason then connect the green post to the relevant point. Typically this is the COM.

          Photo 2



          • This power supply has remote sense inputs. These allow the power supply to compensate for voltage drop in the wires to a remote load.

          • If not required then wire as shown in Figure 1b. Note the shorting links in your photo.

          • If remote sensing is required then open the links and wire as shown in Figure 1c. The voltage between the + and - terminals will vary with load but the voltage across LOAD2 should remain at the setpoint.

          • Again, if an earth reference is required then this can be achieved using the green post.

          schematic





          simulate this circuit



          Photo 3



          Figure 2. A dual supply can be used in multiple configurations.



          This has two independent supplies but without the earth option. These can be used independently, as a symmetrical supply or, for example, as a +12 V and +5 V
          supply. Note the connection (or lack of) between them in each case.




          From the comments:




          So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i went to use it like the first power supply with COM, i would connect what would've been connected to COM to the green post.




          I think you are confused. The Photo 2 PSU has only one output with + and - terminals. It is not a dual supply as shown in Photo 1. You can think of it as a variable voltage battery with an optional earth connection. You always connect the load to red and black and add an optional link from either to the earth terminal.



          Have a look at my answer to Actual electric potential at terminals of battery and it may help your understanding.






          share|improve this answer






















          • Thank you so much for your in-depth explanation. So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i want to use it like the first power supply with COM, is there a way to use the 2nd type like the 1st type?.
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:16










          • See the update.
            – Transistor
            Aug 25 at 17:23










          • My apologies, I did not phrase my question correctly. I am trying to run a transimpedance amplifier I made on a protoboard. I need +15, -15V to power the op-amp and also ground the positive pin. If I had the 1st type of power supply, I would just connect COM to the positive pin. What if I only have the 2nd type of power supply though? (without COM). Would I still be able to run the circuit? (It seems not)
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:26










          • @Blackwidow: You can use the third unit as a +/- supply - connect the + terminal of one supply to the - terminal of the other, and use that point as "common".
            – Peter Bennett
            Aug 25 at 17:28










          • @PeterBennett Thank you. I think it makes perfect sense now. What happens if you just connect mains to the + pin of the op-amp and connect +,-15V to power the op amp I think I just destroyed the op amp. Since mains isnt connected to anything else, I am not sure what actually happened to the op-amp when I pretended mains (the green port) was the ground that the + pin was supposed to connect to
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:32













          up vote
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          up vote
          6
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          accepted








          schematic





          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          Figure 1. Various options.



          Photo 1



          • The first photo shows a PSU with configuration of Figure 1a. There are two isolated supplies - isolated from each other and from mains earth.

          • Normal use would be to connect 5V- to COM and now you would have a dual variable supply for the analog electronics - typically +/-12 V - and a 5 V supply for the digital logic.

          • If the circuit requires mains earth for any reason then connect the green post to the relevant point. Typically this is the COM.

          Photo 2



          • This power supply has remote sense inputs. These allow the power supply to compensate for voltage drop in the wires to a remote load.

          • If not required then wire as shown in Figure 1b. Note the shorting links in your photo.

          • If remote sensing is required then open the links and wire as shown in Figure 1c. The voltage between the + and - terminals will vary with load but the voltage across LOAD2 should remain at the setpoint.

          • Again, if an earth reference is required then this can be achieved using the green post.

          schematic





          simulate this circuit



          Photo 3



          Figure 2. A dual supply can be used in multiple configurations.



          This has two independent supplies but without the earth option. These can be used independently, as a symmetrical supply or, for example, as a +12 V and +5 V
          supply. Note the connection (or lack of) between them in each case.




          From the comments:




          So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i went to use it like the first power supply with COM, i would connect what would've been connected to COM to the green post.




          I think you are confused. The Photo 2 PSU has only one output with + and - terminals. It is not a dual supply as shown in Photo 1. You can think of it as a variable voltage battery with an optional earth connection. You always connect the load to red and black and add an optional link from either to the earth terminal.



          Have a look at my answer to Actual electric potential at terminals of battery and it may help your understanding.






          share|improve this answer
















          schematic





          simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



          Figure 1. Various options.



          Photo 1



          • The first photo shows a PSU with configuration of Figure 1a. There are two isolated supplies - isolated from each other and from mains earth.

          • Normal use would be to connect 5V- to COM and now you would have a dual variable supply for the analog electronics - typically +/-12 V - and a 5 V supply for the digital logic.

          • If the circuit requires mains earth for any reason then connect the green post to the relevant point. Typically this is the COM.

          Photo 2



          • This power supply has remote sense inputs. These allow the power supply to compensate for voltage drop in the wires to a remote load.

          • If not required then wire as shown in Figure 1b. Note the shorting links in your photo.

          • If remote sensing is required then open the links and wire as shown in Figure 1c. The voltage between the + and - terminals will vary with load but the voltage across LOAD2 should remain at the setpoint.

          • Again, if an earth reference is required then this can be achieved using the green post.

          schematic





          simulate this circuit



          Photo 3



          Figure 2. A dual supply can be used in multiple configurations.



          This has two independent supplies but without the earth option. These can be used independently, as a symmetrical supply or, for example, as a +12 V and +5 V
          supply. Note the connection (or lack of) between them in each case.




          From the comments:




          So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i went to use it like the first power supply with COM, i would connect what would've been connected to COM to the green post.




          I think you are confused. The Photo 2 PSU has only one output with + and - terminals. It is not a dual supply as shown in Photo 1. You can think of it as a variable voltage battery with an optional earth connection. You always connect the load to red and black and add an optional link from either to the earth terminal.



          Have a look at my answer to Actual electric potential at terminals of battery and it may help your understanding.







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          • Thank you so much for your in-depth explanation. So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i want to use it like the first power supply with COM, is there a way to use the 2nd type like the 1st type?.
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:16










          • See the update.
            – Transistor
            Aug 25 at 17:23










          • My apologies, I did not phrase my question correctly. I am trying to run a transimpedance amplifier I made on a protoboard. I need +15, -15V to power the op-amp and also ground the positive pin. If I had the 1st type of power supply, I would just connect COM to the positive pin. What if I only have the 2nd type of power supply though? (without COM). Would I still be able to run the circuit? (It seems not)
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:26










          • @Blackwidow: You can use the third unit as a +/- supply - connect the + terminal of one supply to the - terminal of the other, and use that point as "common".
            – Peter Bennett
            Aug 25 at 17:28










          • @PeterBennett Thank you. I think it makes perfect sense now. What happens if you just connect mains to the + pin of the op-amp and connect +,-15V to power the op amp I think I just destroyed the op amp. Since mains isnt connected to anything else, I am not sure what actually happened to the op-amp when I pretended mains (the green port) was the ground that the + pin was supposed to connect to
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:32

















          • Thank you so much for your in-depth explanation. So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i want to use it like the first power supply with COM, is there a way to use the 2nd type like the 1st type?.
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:16










          • See the update.
            – Transistor
            Aug 25 at 17:23










          • My apologies, I did not phrase my question correctly. I am trying to run a transimpedance amplifier I made on a protoboard. I need +15, -15V to power the op-amp and also ground the positive pin. If I had the 1st type of power supply, I would just connect COM to the positive pin. What if I only have the 2nd type of power supply though? (without COM). Would I still be able to run the circuit? (It seems not)
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:26










          • @Blackwidow: You can use the third unit as a +/- supply - connect the + terminal of one supply to the - terminal of the other, and use that point as "common".
            – Peter Bennett
            Aug 25 at 17:28










          • @PeterBennett Thank you. I think it makes perfect sense now. What happens if you just connect mains to the + pin of the op-amp and connect +,-15V to power the op amp I think I just destroyed the op amp. Since mains isnt connected to anything else, I am not sure what actually happened to the op-amp when I pretended mains (the green port) was the ground that the + pin was supposed to connect to
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:32
















          Thank you so much for your in-depth explanation. So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i want to use it like the first power supply with COM, is there a way to use the 2nd type like the 1st type?.
          – Blackwidow
          Aug 25 at 17:16




          Thank you so much for your in-depth explanation. So if i were to use a power supply with remote sense inputs, and if i want to use it like the first power supply with COM, is there a way to use the 2nd type like the 1st type?.
          – Blackwidow
          Aug 25 at 17:16












          See the update.
          – Transistor
          Aug 25 at 17:23




          See the update.
          – Transistor
          Aug 25 at 17:23












          My apologies, I did not phrase my question correctly. I am trying to run a transimpedance amplifier I made on a protoboard. I need +15, -15V to power the op-amp and also ground the positive pin. If I had the 1st type of power supply, I would just connect COM to the positive pin. What if I only have the 2nd type of power supply though? (without COM). Would I still be able to run the circuit? (It seems not)
          – Blackwidow
          Aug 25 at 17:26




          My apologies, I did not phrase my question correctly. I am trying to run a transimpedance amplifier I made on a protoboard. I need +15, -15V to power the op-amp and also ground the positive pin. If I had the 1st type of power supply, I would just connect COM to the positive pin. What if I only have the 2nd type of power supply though? (without COM). Would I still be able to run the circuit? (It seems not)
          – Blackwidow
          Aug 25 at 17:26












          @Blackwidow: You can use the third unit as a +/- supply - connect the + terminal of one supply to the - terminal of the other, and use that point as "common".
          – Peter Bennett
          Aug 25 at 17:28




          @Blackwidow: You can use the third unit as a +/- supply - connect the + terminal of one supply to the - terminal of the other, and use that point as "common".
          – Peter Bennett
          Aug 25 at 17:28












          @PeterBennett Thank you. I think it makes perfect sense now. What happens if you just connect mains to the + pin of the op-amp and connect +,-15V to power the op amp I think I just destroyed the op amp. Since mains isnt connected to anything else, I am not sure what actually happened to the op-amp when I pretended mains (the green port) was the ground that the + pin was supposed to connect to
          – Blackwidow
          Aug 25 at 17:32





          @PeterBennett Thank you. I think it makes perfect sense now. What happens if you just connect mains to the + pin of the op-amp and connect +,-15V to power the op amp I think I just destroyed the op amp. Since mains isnt connected to anything else, I am not sure what actually happened to the op-amp when I pretended mains (the green port) was the ground that the + pin was supposed to connect to
          – Blackwidow
          Aug 25 at 17:32













          up vote
          2
          down vote













          The first supply has a bipolar output - effectively, a positive supply and a negative supply share a common pin.



          The second unit is a single supply with remote sensing connections. Neither supply terminal is connected to Earth so it can be used as either a positive or negative supply.



          The third unit has two separate supplies, each with neither terminal grounded, so the two supplies may be connected in series, for a bipolar supply, or used independently.



          For bench supplies such as these, we often don't care about a connection to Earth ground, or make a ground connection separately from the supplies.






          share|improve this answer




















          • Thank you. I am trying to drive an op-amp with the positive pin grounded (transimpedance amplifier). What if I only have the second and third units? Since I don't have COM, is it impossible to drive an op-amp unless I have the first unit?
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:23














          up vote
          2
          down vote













          The first supply has a bipolar output - effectively, a positive supply and a negative supply share a common pin.



          The second unit is a single supply with remote sensing connections. Neither supply terminal is connected to Earth so it can be used as either a positive or negative supply.



          The third unit has two separate supplies, each with neither terminal grounded, so the two supplies may be connected in series, for a bipolar supply, or used independently.



          For bench supplies such as these, we often don't care about a connection to Earth ground, or make a ground connection separately from the supplies.






          share|improve this answer




















          • Thank you. I am trying to drive an op-amp with the positive pin grounded (transimpedance amplifier). What if I only have the second and third units? Since I don't have COM, is it impossible to drive an op-amp unless I have the first unit?
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:23












          up vote
          2
          down vote










          up vote
          2
          down vote









          The first supply has a bipolar output - effectively, a positive supply and a negative supply share a common pin.



          The second unit is a single supply with remote sensing connections. Neither supply terminal is connected to Earth so it can be used as either a positive or negative supply.



          The third unit has two separate supplies, each with neither terminal grounded, so the two supplies may be connected in series, for a bipolar supply, or used independently.



          For bench supplies such as these, we often don't care about a connection to Earth ground, or make a ground connection separately from the supplies.






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          The first supply has a bipolar output - effectively, a positive supply and a negative supply share a common pin.



          The second unit is a single supply with remote sensing connections. Neither supply terminal is connected to Earth so it can be used as either a positive or negative supply.



          The third unit has two separate supplies, each with neither terminal grounded, so the two supplies may be connected in series, for a bipolar supply, or used independently.



          For bench supplies such as these, we often don't care about a connection to Earth ground, or make a ground connection separately from the supplies.







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          answered Aug 25 at 16:26









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          • Thank you. I am trying to drive an op-amp with the positive pin grounded (transimpedance amplifier). What if I only have the second and third units? Since I don't have COM, is it impossible to drive an op-amp unless I have the first unit?
            – Blackwidow
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          • Thank you. I am trying to drive an op-amp with the positive pin grounded (transimpedance amplifier). What if I only have the second and third units? Since I don't have COM, is it impossible to drive an op-amp unless I have the first unit?
            – Blackwidow
            Aug 25 at 17:23















          Thank you. I am trying to drive an op-amp with the positive pin grounded (transimpedance amplifier). What if I only have the second and third units? Since I don't have COM, is it impossible to drive an op-amp unless I have the first unit?
          – Blackwidow
          Aug 25 at 17:23




          Thank you. I am trying to drive an op-amp with the positive pin grounded (transimpedance amplifier). What if I only have the second and third units? Since I don't have COM, is it impossible to drive an op-amp unless I have the first unit?
          – Blackwidow
          Aug 25 at 17:23

















           

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